From: person J on 20 Feb 2007 16:42:59 -0800

? ?Oh, my, some SPITE was carried over to homebrew on
? ?Presidents Day just because "CW" was discussed. ?I am
? ?bringing it back to policy where it should go until
? ?the moderated newsgroup is open.

Len wants to be the moderator, IOW,

FACTUAL ERROR! Tsk, tsk...


? ?Be aware that this thread in RRAH started with a simple
? ?question by another asking if FCC 06-178 would "eliminate
? ?the CW bands" [in amateur radio operation] ?That was
? ?answered.

Buit it didn't end there.

What is a "buit?" Or did you make another FACTUAL ERROR?


?After that it segued into discussion of early
? ?(pre-1900) use of morse code then it was triggered into
? ?modern times by those who feel that "CW" MUST be given
? ?ten kinds of attention than anything else.

No, that's not true.

FACTUAL ERROR. IT IS VERY TRUE...with or without the "?"
additions YOU made to the quote.


Here's what *really* happened:

PERSON J MAKES ANOTHER FACTUAL ERROR...

HERE is what happened, visible by anyone at RRAH:

On Feb 12 'Julian814' asked about CW use in ham bands after
23 Feb 07.
On the same date about an hour later Michael Black stated
that this subject was not one for rec.radio.amateur.homebrew.
'Caveat Lector' made a comment next about 3 hours later.
On 13 Feb, 'GKB', Scott, John Siegel all made comments.
On 14 Feb, Geoffrey S. Mendelson made a comment from Israel.
About 3 hours later 'Julian814' posts again, followed by
Dee Flint two hours after that.
On 15 Feb Ken Scarf made a comment.
On 16 Feb Geoffrey Mendelson made another post and I replied
to that (about 3 hours later) stating some difference of
opinion on early telegraphy methods prior to 1900...based
on information obtained from several sources, including the
website of the descendents of Alfred Vail.
On 17 Feb Ken Scarf made a short comment about modern day
morse code use.
On 18 Feb I replied to that and stated that the commentary
between myself and Mendelson was about pre-1900 telegraphy.
About 2 hours later, Ian White made a long post objecting to
my comments about morse code being supplanted by other modes
and used his father-in-law and wife as "witnesses." According
to White, his father had taken his wife (and presumably the
rest of her family) to Knotts Berry Farm near Anaheim, CA,
where the father-in-law described an old railroad station
telegram station with its sounder tapping out "eat chicken
dinners" continually.
Also on 18 Feb 'Highland Ham' made a short comment.

In two posts that I made, 4 and 6 days after the first one,
the SUBJECT was addressed in some detail. There was no
overt expression of "dislike for 'CW'" by myself.

Seven days after the first post in the thread, Miccolis
just HAD to say something negative about my posting. :-)
What he 'read' is stated as follows:

Len made a lengthy post that contained comments
on the US railroad system, landline telegraph communications,
Knott's Berry Farm and other tourist attractions, stagecoaches,
wives-and-families, Len's lack of use of Morse Code in military
communications, 50plus years ago, Len's parents watching the
lunar landings on TV, keyless auto security systems and more.

The US railroad system, Knotts Berry Farm, wife and father-
in-law were first mentioned by Ian White. White's posting
made NO mention about "amateur radio homebrew" but focussed
on post-1900 telegraphy, particularly on the railroads, and
World War 2 where his father-in-law "pounded brass" while
in the military. Actually, NONE of the postings up to
18 Feb mentioned "amateur radio homebrew" except for the
second posting by Michael Black. Black correctly stated
that 'Julian814's' posting didn't belong in that newsgroup.

But, as stated, Miccolis HAD to vent his spite and make
noise while denigrating another WITHOUT addressing any
"homebrew" subjects.

I didn't see a single word from Len in his long posting
about amateur radio homebrew.

Awwww...you wanted PRAISE and HONOR just for morse code?
That's all you've been doing in the Policy newsgroup for
years, expressing your displeasure (ultimately) at the
FCC's elimination of the code test for an amateur radio
license.

Miccolis made a FACTUAL ERROR!

It also contained this personal policy statement from Len:

ANOTHER FACTUAL ERROR!

That is NOT a "personal policy statement." It is simply
a PERSONAL OPINION. Apparently NONE may have personal
OPINIONS with vetting them with Miccolis first? :-)

"I have nothing against telegraphic skills nor anyone using
those for personal pleasure. However, in the light of
advancement of the electronic arts, communications,
radio, methods that ALL of us can share, I think there
is an over-much emphasis by radio hobbyists on
telegraphic arts. Manual telegraphy IS a historic first
but it has been supplanted in practical communications
means at our disposal...on land, in the air, on the sea,
and in space.

Tsk, tsk, Miccolis "objects" to that. Unfortunately for
him it is all TRUE. The communications arts HAVE
advanced far from the pre-1900 times and technology.
Yes, manual telegraphy was the first electrical-means
communication mode over land. On wires. Using relatively
PRIMITIVE electrical technology. Yes, manual telegraphy
was the first mode for the public demonstrations of "radio"
as a communications medium in 1896...it was still as
PRIMITIVE as the technology of early radio...using no
active devices such as tubes or transistors (neither had
been invented in the first decade of "radio").

Radio is about 111 years old as a communications means.
No other radio service except amateur radio uses it for
communications, requires it to be used, and most US radio
services never bothered to require morse code when that
service was begun! Every day more than a hundred million
Americans are using some form of radio communications or
radio relay or radio telecommand that is NOT morse code.

The very last day of license testing requiring cognition
of low-rate morse code is 22 February 2007...only two
more days. After that, NO US amateur radio license exams
will require any morse code tests. Yes, US amateurs may
still USE morse code according to FCC regulations. That
will help ease their personal burdens of anger, rage, spite,
and other personal defects of behavior. They can re-enact
their dreams of "pioneering the airwaves" and "progressing
the state of the art of OOK CW" even though that had been
reached decades ago by predecessors. Let those poor soul
morsemen sweat and itch over the rightness of a federal
decision...something done not to ease THEIR self-important
delusions, but to benefit ALL. Morse code apparently
means more than life itself to some of those OOK CW
dreamers.

Miccolis, take your aggreived soul and mighty self-
importance and go somewhere where the code hive-mind is
desired. There you can bitch and moan about all the
upstarts, "error-making" persons who were doing actual
radio operating BEFORE you were born, the so-called
"moderators" who are upstaging YOUR constant attempts
at moderating them. Enjoy the company among the hive-
minds. It will be a comfort to you, a safety place
where you can be as ****ily pedantic as you were in
here. You will be applauded for such state-of-the-art
policy discussions such as "bandplans of 1940."

I don't expect you to correct all your own FACTUAL ERRORS
you made in your recent post. After all, you will "deny"
you EVER made an error! :-) That is iron-clad,
predictable. :-)