"John Smith I" wrote in message
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wrote:

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To those who say "NAY! NEVER!" I award the venerable
"cat-ass-trophy."

Len:

I think all whos' only purpose is for the continuation of amateur radio in
a relevant and up-to-date manner will agree, logical questions, exams,
examiners, methods and procedures need to be established, followed, and
upheld--and, especially in regards to realignment with present rules and
regulations.

Attrition should continue on at its' accelerating pace and shortly remove
any doubt as to the death of morse. CW is a problem which has fittingly
supplied its' own fix and is now engaged in implementing that fix (death.)

Do you call yourself an amateur operator? Do you have problems with loyalty?
Interesting how you have no problem smearing the very people who have kept
the service alive. So, maybe you're not even loyal to your own mother. Who
cares?

All new hams need only be aware of the past sins of arrl and the fanatic
devotion to CW and personalities as opposed to principals which has caused
cat-ass-trophy-type-damage to amateur radio and to steer clear of the arrl
or any movements to re-establish some pseudo-class system amongst amateurs
and thereby replace the "CW class system" with a new and equally insane
and damaging one.

Ha ha, yes, like a written test. And do you think your buddy LA could even
hope to pass today's element 4? I don't think this alleged IEEE illuminati
could pass extra anymore. He's too retired...been out of the business for
too long. He still calls a capacitor a condenser and a tube a valve. The
test has become a better filter than morse code, (for extra only). Let's
move on to fixing the general class test.

Len is stuck in the past, recirting the history of radio science and
denigrating the use of morse code which has long become a moot issue
(science the institution of 5 wpm no code).

I find it interesting that you and Len want to trash the old yet you both
still communicate via usenet. I mean, isn't there something newer you could
go to, like blogs?

We need history to help us avoid making the same old mistakes anew ...

Hahahaha...good one.


The old-timers need to be avoided like the plague.

Yes, out with the old, in with the new, from the very same people who
brought you jobs outsourcing and illegal immigration, Al Gore and global
warming. Those old paradigms ain't no good anymore. Time to ruin the
culture.

The old failed methods and tactics need to be avoided. The future needs to
meet up with amateur radio and bring it to life in the new millennium.

Unfortunately, today's EE graduate learn nothing about analog design. They
cannot even design a linear power supply much less a switch mode. And to
think of them trying to design an SSB transmitter or even a linear amp! If
it's not prepackaged on a chip, throw it away. Digital rules.

SW

Stefan Wolfe wrote:

[a LOT of stuff I clipped]

Yes. Yes I am loyal to amateur radio.

However, I am not loyal to antique radio gear, nor antiquated methods,
beliefs and practices. I am NOT loyal to personalities, but DAMN LOYAL
to principals, advancement and progress.

My interests in electronics and things relating to electronics have also
held my interests and "loyalties." However, electronics have evolved.
Most of the electronic "gear" I now work with is never meant to be
built, maintained nor repaired by human hands. It is meant to grow
obsolete in a matter of years and be replaced. When amateur radio
becomes current, its' gear will be of a likewise state.

Things change. Amateur radio does not exist in a vacuum, it must adapt
also. It has been held hostage by a relative few who have stalled its'
advancement. However, it always has been subject to the same rules
which govern all: Adapt and evolve or become extinct.

Now, at this brink of extinction, it is time for change ... and no one
likes change but a wet baby--and even they often cry when the change is
implemented ...

All of us will die, let amateur radio live on and eventually reach a
state where none alive today would ever recognize it, but most of all,
let it become relevant and important and of valid use to those of the
future who we will never meet. Let us leave them something they can
thank us for.

JS

"John Smith I" wrote in message
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Stefan Wolfe wrote:

[a LOT of stuff I clipped]

Yes. Yes I am loyal to amateur radio.

However, I am not loyal to antique radio gear, nor antiquated methods,
beliefs and practices. I am NOT loyal to personalities, but DAMN LOYAL to
principals, advancement and progress.

You are only loyal to your own cause. damn the rest of the world. "It's all
about me."

Stefan Wolfe wrote:
You are only loyal to your own cause. damn the rest of the world.
"It's all about me."

Blame it on the design of the species. Even when one
is benevolent, it is because one gets pleasure from
being benevolent.
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

On Feb 22, 3:59�pm, "Stefan Wolfe" wrote:
"John Smith I" wrote in ...

Stefan Wolfe wrote:

[a LOT of stuff I clipped]

Yes. *Yes I am loyal to amateur radio.

However, I am not loyal to antique radio gear, nor antiquated methods,
beliefs and practices. *I am NOT loyal to personalities, but DAMN LOYAL to
principals, advancement and progress.

You are only loyal to your own cause. damn the rest of the world. "It's all
about me."

Oh! Understand. It is all about YOU! :-)

Everyone MUST be loyal to YOUR opinions?

LA

On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 18:59:54 -0500, "Stefan Wolfe"
wrote:


"John Smith I" wrote in message
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Stefan Wolfe wrote:

[a LOT of stuff I clipped]

Yes. Yes I am loyal to amateur radio.

However, I am not loyal to antique radio gear, nor antiquated methods,
beliefs and practices. I am NOT loyal to personalities, but DAMN LOYAL to
principals, advancement and progress.

You are only loyal to your own cause. damn the rest of the world. "It's all
about me."


Actually, I think that, if you look really close, you would see that
it was the rest of the world who advanced before we did in this
particular instance. We have just caught up.

On Feb 23, 6:25�am, Bob Brock wrote:
On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 18:59:54 -0500, "Stefan Wolfe"
wrote:







"John Smith I" wrote in message
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Stefan Wolfe wrote:

[a LOT of stuff I clipped]

Yes. *Yes I am loyal to amateur radio.

However, I am not loyal to antique radio gear, nor antiquated methods,
beliefs and practices. *I am NOT loyal to personalities, but DAMN LOYAL to
principals, advancement and progress.

You are only loyal to your own cause. damn the rest of the world. "It's all
about me."

Actually, I think that, if you look really close, you would see that
it was the rest of the world who advanced before we did in this
particular instance. *We have just caught up.

True enough. The USA wasn't even "second best." In fact,
it wasn't even twentieth best.

LA

On Feb 21, 11:56�pm, John Smith I wrote:
Stefan Wolfe wrote:

* [a LOT of stuff I clipped]

Yes. *Yes I am loyal to amateur radio.

However, I am not loyal to antique radio gear,
nor antiquated methods,
beliefs and practices. *I am NOT loyal to personalities, but
DAMN LOYAL
to principals, advancement and progress.

OK so far - as long as there's room for the old as well
as the new.

My interests in electronics and things relating to
electronics have also
held my interests and "loyalties."

Same here.

*However, electronics have evolved.
Most of the electronic "gear" I now work with is
never meant to be
built, maintained nor repaired by human hands. *
It is meant to grow
obsolete in a matter of years and be replaced. *

What used to be called "planned obsolescence".
Not a new idea at all the term has been around
more than 50 years.

Is planned obsolescence a good thing?

When amateur radio
becomes current, its' gear will be of a likewise state.

Is that really in our best interests?

Things change. *

*Some* things change. And not all change is for
the better.

Amateur radio does not exist in a vacuum, it must adapt
also. *It has been held hostage by a relative few who
have stalled its' advancement.

You mean the FCC.

*However, it always has been subject to the same rules
which govern all: *Adapt and evolve or become extinct.

Ever hear of a fish called the coelecanth?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coelecanth

The oldest fossil coelecanths date back 410 million years. Coelecanths
were though to have gone extinct
more than 65 million years ago - until living
specimens were found...

How did they survive so long without changing?

There are lots of other examples. Evolution is
more complex than "Adapt and evolve or become extinct."


Now, at this brink of extinction, it is time for change ... and no one
likes change but a wet baby--and even they often cry when the change is
implemented ...

What brink of extinction?

There are over 650,000 hams in the USA alone.

And I, for one, do like change - if it's change
for the better.


All of us will die, let amateur radio live on and eventually reach a
state where none alive today would ever recognize it, but most of all,
let it become relevant and important and of valid use to those of the
future who we will never meet. *Let us leave them something they can
thank us for.

Such as?

Jim, N2EY

From: on 22 Feb 2007 16:38:35 -0800

On Feb 21, 11:56?pm, John Smith I wrote:
Stefan Wolfe wrote:


Ever hear of a fish called the coelecanth?

I've seen a Fish Called Wanda...enjoyable comedy.

Are coelecanths good with garlic butter?


The oldest fossil coelecanths date back 410 million years. Coelecanths
were though to have gone extinct
more than 65 million years ago - until living
specimens were found...

How can a fish "were though to have gone extinct?"

Are you thinking? Have you any thoughts on it?


How did they survive so long without changing?

They were morse code qualified?

They were members of the ACLU [Ancient Coelecanth
Longevity Union, Oldington, CT] ?


There are lots of other examples. Evolution is
more complex than "Adapt and evolve or become extinct."

They became code-tested amateur extras and reached
immortality?

Now, at this brink of extinction, it is time for change ... and no one
likes change but a wet baby--and even they often cry when the change is
implemented ...

What brink of extinction?

There are over 650,000 hams in the USA alone.

Other than yourself, how many are coelecanths?

Are any of them coelecans?


And I, for one, do like change - if it's change
for the better.

Tsk, ancient coelecanth, you've stated over and over that
elimination of the US amateur radio code test is a BAD
THING. Bad, bad...go sit in corner.

The CHANGE was obviously not a good one to you.

Did they find you in Woods Hole?

Do you know what time it is on your Fossil watch?

LA?