On Mar 9, 10:12�pm, wrote:
On Mar 9, 9:53 pm, "Mork" Dork@anon wrote:
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On Mar 9, 7:32 pm, "Dee Flint" wrote:
"K4YZ" wrote in message
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On Mar 8, 10:08?am, wrote:
On Thu, 8 Mar 2007 11:01:35 -0500, "Lardass Davies"
wrote:

You would have passed that exam if the VE didn't hate bisexual
pagens
morkietard.

no I might have passed it if I had not been tried frommaking the trip
in this season which I had to do becuase the locals VE were too
procode to schedlue a session here dispite having more poeple asking
than have attened all ve's session combined in the last 2 years

* *Several points, Morkie...

* *First of all, FCC Rules and Regulations require that a VE team
consist of three unrelated (to the applicant) members. *According to
QRZ, I find less than 2 dozen licensed Amateurs within 20 miles of
you. *You're shacked up with one of them, but in any case he's only a
Technician and ineligible to test you anyway.

* *Secondly, the VE team members must be of at least equal licensure
to the level being TESTED FOR...Not already in-hand. *That means that
only SEVEN of those number were even ELIGIBLE to be VE's to test you
to the level of General, and only ONE of those persons holds an Extra,
so no matter what, you'd have to drive somewhere to get above General.

Now we get to the root of the matter. *Unless the rules have changed, a
VE
(with the exception of Extras) must have a license class higher than the
exams they administer. *Thus the General class licensee can only
administer
Tech class exams. *To get above Tech, he would most likely have to drive
somewhere else.

The Advanced and Extras can administer Tech & General Exams. *The Extras
can
administer Tech, General, and Extra exams. *If your data is correct on
the
number of licensees in the area, they could NOT have tested him for
General
unless there were also some Advanced class licensees around who were
VEs.
So it would seem that he asked for the impossible. *No wonder they would
not
schedule an exam for him.

Dee, N8UZE-

Dee, why do you even validate Robesin's remarks with a legitimate
reply?

Mr. Cheese:

What's wrong with N8UZE's response?

And who is "Robesin"?

Dee was not validating Robesin's remarks.

She replied to Robesin.

She was validating those of KH6HZ.

She replied to Robesin. *She if free to reply to Deigan if it were
Deignan she wishe dto reply to.

Read her post again.

Yep.

She was making a learned statement of fact. That KH6HZ
did a little research and pointed out some of the issues with the numbers
and classifications of Hams in Mark's immediate area could have been
researched by anybody, even you.

Why would I?

To ascertain the facts.

Even if every single amateur in Mark's area were an accredited
VE, there don't appear to bet enough who hold the FCC-required
class of license to hold a VE session for him.

*Is there another mailing going out to Mark's ham
neighbors?

Steve merely voiced the findings and added
to them.

Robesin adds nothing to the discussion except sexual inuendo and
accusations that Mark's wife is a man.

In fact, Dee rightfully defended the VE's

So less than two dozen ( 24) amateurs aren't enough to make up a VE
team? *That IS news to me.

Then you need to read the appropriate FCC rules about the
class of license required of a VE for a particular license class.

You obviously aren't up to speed on certain aspects of Part 97.

that Mark wrongfully accused of
being "pro code", and who, according to Mark, refused him a test session.

So who was this VE? *What did he/she tell you about the discussion he
had with Mark?

Dee has a great amount of credibility.

Dee is a cheerleader for Morse Code and the ARRL. *That's known as
"bias."

Mr. Cheese, you have just performed a textbook example of the
classic "ad hominem" attack. N8UZE's opinion of Morse Code
testing and/or ARRL has nothing whatsoever to do with the actual
FCC rules about VE testing, yet you claim "bias" of some sort.

Mark has none. Dee has never misled
or printed falsehoods in these groups. Mark has.

So has Robesin and Deignan. *How many amateurs are in their
"Hoods?" *(Good luck on getting a valid address for Deignan.)

Another example from you. Try sticking to the fact that there
simply aren't enough amateurs who hold the required licenses
within 20 miles of Mark in order to hold a VE session for General
or Extra. That's one of the downsides for choosing to live in an area
with
low population density.

---

It seems to me that an important point about VE testing has been
missed in thise discussion - that of VEs being, well, "Volunteers".

VEs aren't paid, unless you count the refreshments and maybe
some expenses. They have to do a lot of paperwork and legwork
to set up, run and document a VE session, all on their own time.
Their amateur radio reputations and licenses are on the line
every time they do so.

Yet some unnamed VEs are being attacked and accused of
bias simply because they didn't put on a special VE session
for one amateur who chooses to live in a low-population-density
area. Mark wanted VEs from outside his area to come
to him, rather than he going to them, and blamed it all on them
being "procode". As if there's something wrong with being
in favor of Morse Code - not the test, the mode itself.

There was no requirement that any VEs put on special sessions
because of the rules changes. They did so anyway, as a favor,
not a requirement.

I am reminded of someone who accused certain VEs of
"fraud" simply because they presided over the license
testing of a young amateur, even though the accuser did
not know of any real fraud, was not present at the VE session,
and in fact had no evidence and did not know any of the
people involved at all.

How about a little respect and thanks for the VEs?
They certainly deserve it.

AFAIK, "Mr. Cheese" is not a VE. Nor am I, or anyone
posting to this thread except N8UZE.

So I'll say "THANK YOU" to Dee, and all VEs who help
with the licensing process. And all who have done so
for more than 20 years, since the FCC abdicated the
responsibility of testing for amateur radio licenses.

Without those Volunteer Examiners, there would be
no possibility of the so-called "Revolution".


And I'll put my first name and call on this post.

Jim, N2EY

On Mar 10, 7:40 am, wrote:
On Mar 9, 10:12?pm, wrote:
On Mar 9, 9:53 pm, "Mork" Dork@anon wrote:
wrote in message
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On Mar 9, 7:32 pm, "Dee Flint" wrote:
"K4YZ" wrote in message
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On Mar 8, 10:08?am, wrote:
On Thu, 8 Mar 2007 11:01:35 -0500, "Lardass Davies"
wrote:

You would have passed that exam if the VE didn't hate bisexual
pagens
morkietard.

no I might have passed it if I had not been tried frommaking the trip
in this season which I had to do becuase the locals VE were too
procode to schedlue a session here dispite having more poeple asking
than have attened all ve's session combined in the last 2 years

? ?Several points, Morkie...

? ?First of all, FCC Rules and Regulations require that a VE team
consist of three unrelated (to the applicant) members. ?According to
QRZ, I find less than 2 dozen licensed Amateurs within 20 miles of
you. ?You're shacked up with one of them, but in any case he's only a
Technician and ineligible to test you anyway.

? ?Secondly, the VE team members must be of at least equal licensure
to the level being TESTED FOR...Not already in-hand. ?That means that
only SEVEN of those number were even ELIGIBLE to be VE's to test you
to the level of General, and only ONE of those persons holds an Extra,
so no matter what, you'd have to drive somewhere to get above General.

Now we get to the root of the matter. ?Unless the rules have changed, a
VE
(with the exception of Extras) must have a license class higher than the
exams they administer. ?Thus the General class licensee can only
administer
Tech class exams. ?To get above Tech, he would most likely have to drive
somewhere else.

The Advanced and Extras can administer Tech & General Exams. ?The Extras
can
administer Tech, General, and Extra exams. ?If your data is correct on
the
number of licensees in the area, they could NOT have tested him for
General
unless there were also some Advanced class licensees around who were
VEs.
So it would seem that he asked for the impossible. ?No wonder they would
not
schedule an exam for him.

Dee, N8UZE-

Dee, why do you even validate Robesin's remarks with a legitimate
reply?

Mr. Cheese:

What's wrong with N8UZE's response?

She legitimizes Robesin's inuendo remarks and accusations that Mark's
wife is a man.

Dee, N8UZE-

Dee, why do you even validate Robesin's remarks with a legitimate
reply?

Mr. Cheese:

What's wrong with N8UZE's response?

She legitimizes Robesin's inuendo remarks and accusations that Mark's
wife is a man.

That's a real stretch. You've been around poor Mark far too long.

wrote

As if there's something wrong with being in favor of
Morse Code - not the test, the mode itself.

Pretty much. A textbook example of how a large segment of the "No Code
Agenda" isn't about simply removing the code test, but instead is interested
in destroying the mode itself, due to some irrational hatred of the mode of
operation.

The funny part about Mark's rant is even if there were an adequate number of
Extra-class operators around to give him a test, it is not outside the realm
of possibility that those Extras might have been licensed after 2000, and
could have only passed the fairly trivial 5wpm code examination to obtain
their Extra-class license.


I am reminded of someone who accused certain
VEs of "fraud" simply because they presided over
the license testing of a young amateur,

I seem to recall that too. And, if I remember correctly, the accuser wasn't
even a licensed amateur at the time of the accusation.


So I'll say "THANK YOU" to Dee, and all VEs who help
with the licensing process.

Most definitely. I've been to 4 VE sessions in my lifetime, and that was
enough for me.

73
kh6hz

On Mar 10, 10:28 am, "KH6HZ" wrote:
wrote

As if there's something wrong with being in favor of
Morse Code - not the test, the mode itself.

The TEST.

Pretty much. A textbook example of how a large segment of the "No Code
Agenda" isn't about simply removing the code test, but instead is interested
in destroying the mode itself, due to some irrational hatred of the mode of
operation.

The TEST.

The funny part about Mark's rant is even if there were an adequate number of
Extra-class operators around to give him a test, it is not outside the realm
of possibility that those Extras might have been licensed after 2000, and
could have only passed the fairly trivial 5wpm code examination to obtain
their Extra-class license.

Only Pro-Code Test Advocated trivialize the 5WPM Exam.

And exactly how does the 5WPM Exam disqualify them from being a VE?

I am reminded of someone who accused certain
VEs of "fraud" simply because they presided over
the license testing of a young amateur,

I seem to recall that too. And, if I remember correctly, the accuser wasn't
even a licensed amateur at the time of the accusation.

I seem to recall a world famous DXer working out of band Frenchmen on
6 meters.

I seem to recall an RF Commando telling others how to live their
amateur lives, all the while faking up a bunch of clubs and using an
out of CONUS PO Box to glom up a whole bunch of DX callsigns.

So I'll say "THANK YOU" to Dee, and all VEs who help
with the licensing process.

Most definitely. I've been to 4 VE sessions in my lifetime, and that was
enough for me.

73
kh6hz

How many COLEM exams?

wrote:


Only Pro-Code Test Advocated trivialize the 5WPM Exam.

Am I a pro-code test advocate?

For the vast majority of people (say, those who are not severely mentally
retarded), the 5wpm is a trivial examination. It involves little more than a
mental table lookup... "Dadidadit..... ummm... that's a C'".

Of course, there are always exceptions, and that's why VE teams could do a
variety of things to aid people in passing their code examination (changing
the tone of the tape, giving people more time to write things down during
the test, etc. I'm sure Dee could tell us more on how VE teams can
accomodate folks).

Memorizing the table requires some effort... but in reality probably little
more effort than people put into 'memorizing' the question pools prior to
taking an examination.


And exactly how does the 5WPM Exam disqualify them from being a VE?

Did I state somewhere that a 5wpm examination disqualified them from being a
VE? I must have missed that, or typed in invisible ink. I can't see it in my
original posting.


I seem to recall a world famous DXer working out of band Frenchmen on
6 meters.

I wouldn't know who world-famous DXers are. Virtually all my contacts are
stateside. Never been much of a DX chaser myself.


I seem to recall an RF Commando telling others how to live their
amateur lives, all the while faking up a bunch of clubs and using an
out of CONUS PO Box to glom up a whole bunch of DX callsigns.

Who might that be? Can you give an example how these folks tell "others how
to live their amateur lives"?

Perhaps (for example purposes only) you mean some of these amateurs may have
filed comments with the FCC calling for a reduction in code testing to 5wpm
with a 'sunset clause' eliminating it altogether once the treaty requirement
was removed?

So, you don't like those types of amateurs telling you how to live your
amateur life, a-la removing the code test? Well, I suppose if you're a
die-hard 20wpm code tester, I can see how you'd be upset by that. Have no
fear though, Brian, you can continue to make those 20+wpm code contacts all
you want, even with the pesky little code test gone.


How many COLEM exams?

I've been to two. One for my General Radiotelephone and a 2nd for my GMDSS
Operator/Maintainer license (needed that for my ocean-going trawler based in
Washington, dontcha know). How about you?

wrote:
On Mar 10, 10:28 am, "KH6HZ" wrote:
wrote

The funny part about Mark's rant is even if there were an adequate number of
Extra-class operators around to give him a test, it is not outside the realm
of possibility that those Extras might have been licensed after 2000, and
could have only passed the fairly trivial 5wpm code examination to obtain
their Extra-class license.

Only Pro-Code Test Advocated trivialize the 5WPM Exam.

That's incorrect. Anyone who passed a 13 wpm or 20 wpm Morse test could
trivialize a 5 wpm exam. Five words per minute does not demonstrate
Morse Code proficiency.

I am reminded of someone who accused certain
VEs of "fraud" simply because they presided over
the license testing of a young amateur,
I seem to recall that too. And, if I remember correctly, the accuser wasn't
even a licensed amateur at the time of the accusation.

I seem to recall a world famous DXer working out of band Frenchmen on
6 meters.

I don't believe it is possible for one to recall something in which he
was not present or involved.

Dave K8MN

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I seem to recall a world famous DXer working out of band Frenchmen on
6 meters.

So this DX'er was out of his allocation? or were the Frenchman out of
theirs? Seems if the latter, than they are at fault. Perhaps being to good
little soldier, you could report them to the Ohio Ag as well.


Hmmm, I seem to recall reading about a certian someone working people not
only out band, but out of their allocation in a foreign country with no
legal written authorization

Hmmmmmm




I seem to recall an RF Commando telling others how to live their
amateur lives, all the while faking up a bunch of clubs and using an
out of CONUS PO Box to glom up a whole bunch of DX callsigns.

So I'll say "THANK YOU" to Dee, and all VEs who help
with the licensing process.

Most definitely. I've been to 4 VE sessions in my lifetime, and that was
enough for me.

73
kh6hz

By the way Bry, does you hbeing silent on the fact that the elderly one
fromm the left coast has threatened people mean you condone his viilence
against others? Seems you have a great double standard there Bry

How's that report on me going. Should be at least 500 words double spaced

Bry..you are the tool's tool

Dean
Anchors Away

On Mar 10, 11:29 am, "Dean M" wrote:

How's that report on me going. Should be at least 500 words double spaced

The report was completed back when I said I made it.

Do you think I have super-human powers from the planet Krypton to have
you picked up with a single phone call just on my say so???

"Dialing...." Hi, hi! What a pair of idiots you are.

Bry..you are the tool's tool

Dean
Anchors Away

Fair wind and following seas and all that, embarassing Son of DOS

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On Mar 10, 11:29 am, "Dean M" wrote:

How's that report on me going. Should be at least 500 words double
spaced

The report was completed back when I said I made it.

I so doubt that. You're all bluster like your trainer



Do you think I have super-human powers from the planet Krypton to have
you picked up with a single phone call just on my say so???

I guess you answered that

Actually I see you as a Bizzaro planet inhabitant



"Dialing...." Hi, hi! What a pair of idiots you are.

Bry..you are the tool's tool

Dean
Anchors Away

Fair wind and following seas and all that, embarassing Son of DOS

And here I thought you were so morally against name calling??!! Daughter of
Satan..indeed

What a trained little monkey you really are. Acn you do any other tricks
there Bry??