On Mar 29, 12:18 am, Dave Heil wrote:
AF6AY wrote:
On Mar 27, 5:19?pm, wrote:
They gave a war back in the day... ?Miccolis didn't show up then,
either.

True, but he KNOWS ALL ABOUT it. Sigh...and isn't reticent
about chiding volunteer military veterans. :-(

Neither are you or hot-ham-and-cheese, old sojer. You two act like
you're super citizens whose military service has elevated you above others.

Heil has no problem denigrating servicemen. Why doesn't he mention
that?

Just a couple of days ago you ridiculed someone who wrote about the
Vietnam War Memorial.

Just a couple of days ago I thanked that individual for his service.
That doesn't mean that I approve of the memorial.

You bleated something about Korea.

You bleated something about running for the Roanoke Division
Directorship. How's your nomination coming?

You didn't
serve in Korea during the Korean War.

You didn't serve in Korea.

You made up your classic tale of
what it is like to undergo an artillery barrage.

Did Len get it wrong? Tell us what it's like.

Your embellishment of
your military service is legend.

Dave K8MN

Your smugness is legendary.

On Mar 29, 3:08�am, wrote:
On Mar 29, 12:18 am, Dave Heil wrote:

AF6AY wrote:
On Mar 27, 5:19?pm, wrote:
They gave a war back in the day... ?Miccolis didn't show up then,
either.

* *True, but he KNOWS ALL ABOUT it. *Sigh...and isn't reticent
* *about chiding volunteer military veterans. *:-(

Neither are you or hot-ham-and-cheese, old sojer. *You two act like
you're super citizens whose military service has elevated you above others.

Heil has no problem denigrating servicemen. *Why doesn't he mention
that?

Heil has a great number of problems. :-)

Just a couple of days ago you ridiculed someone who wrote about the
Vietnam War Memorial. *

Just a couple of days ago I thanked that individual for his service.
That doesn't mean that I approve of the memorial.

Ahem, one of those was super-patriot-phrase-shouting "No
Call Sign Given" who supposedly was "IN" the 101st
Airborne. It had all the earmarks of Major Dud, famous
for his gratuitous emotional phrase tossing. :-)


You bleated something about Korea. *

You bleated something about running for the Roanoke Division
Directorship. *How's your nomination coming?

He may have only 1 nomination vote. shrug

You didn't
serve in Korea during the Korean War. *

You didn't serve in Korea.

As far as I'm concerned, Heil hasn't shown us ANY proof
that He was in southeast Asia during his military service.


You made up your classic tale of
what it is like to undergo an artillery barrage. *

Did Len get it wrong? *Tell us what it's like.

I'd like to know what David "knows." I've been roughly
200 yards from an artillery fall...which was 300 yards
too close to the training group I was in.


Your embellishment of your military service is legend.

Dave K8MN

Your smugness is legendary.

It must be his training at the Fruenze Military Academy. :-)

Well, we've had Major Dud in here expostulating up a storm
about his "USMC career." We've had Heil telling all sorts of
things about "being in a country AT war." Those all blend
together, don't they?

Did David actually OPERATE any radios (other than a BC
receiver) in Vietnam? I must have missed one of his brags
about that because I don't recall him giving any information
on that. I really can't believe half of what he says in here.

When I was assigned to ADA, we actually OPERATED HF
radios...and VHF radios...and UHF radios...and some
microwave radios. Before the 1965 date that the DoD
says the USA "got involved" in the Vietnam War. Not
only that, I've got photo and text references to that on a
publicly-accessible website. shrug

But, David is passing a brick about my being a "newcomer
to radio" (after 54 years of that) and I guess we are supposed
to let him do that. [the pain must be excrutiating for him]

73, Len AF6AY

AF6AY wrote:
On Mar 29, 3:08�am, wrote:
On Mar 29, 12:18 am, Dave Heil wrote:

AF6AY wrote:
On Mar 27, 5:19?pm, wrote:
They gave a war back in the day... ?Miccolis didn't show up then,
either.
� �True, but he KNOWS ALL ABOUT it. �Sigh...and isn't reticent
� �about chiding volunteer military veterans. �:-(
Neither are you or hot-ham-and-cheese, old sojer. �You two act like
you're super citizens whose military service has elevated you above others.
Heil has no problem denigrating servicemen. �Why doesn't he mention
that?

Heil has a great number of problems. :-)

Just a couple of days ago you ridiculed someone who wrote about the
Vietnam War Memorial. �
Just a couple of days ago I thanked that individual for his service.
That doesn't mean that I approve of the memorial.

Ahem, one of those was super-patriot-phrase-shouting "No
Call Sign Given" who supposedly was "IN" the 101st
Airborne. It had all the earmarks of Major Dud, famous
for his gratuitous emotional phrase tossing. :-)

It had no earmarks of anyone in particular, Leonard. Whoever the guy
was, he had a number of things right.

You can't let a post containing mention of military service pass without
donning your bunting, mounting your soapbox and attempting to belittle
that service. It is what you do.


You bleated something about Korea. �
You bleated something about running for the Roanoke Division
Directorship. �How's your nomination coming?

He may have only 1 nomination vote. shrug

I've not announced that I'm running for any ARRL office. If or when I
do, you'll not have a chance to vote for a candidate from the Roanoke
Division. I understand your error. You're a newcomer to amateur radio.

You didn't
serve in Korea during the Korean War. �
You didn't serve in Korea.

As far as I'm concerned, Heil hasn't shown us ANY proof
that He was in southeast Asia during his military service.

As far as you're concerned, I've repeatedly told you that I'm not
showing you anything. Report me to the Stolen Valor folks (and be sure
to tell them of my claims regarding my military service) or deal with it.


You made up your classic tale of
what it is like to undergo an artillery barrage. �
Did Len get it wrong? �Tell us what it's like.

I'd like to know what David "knows." I've been roughly
200 yards from an artillery fall...which was 300 yards
too close to the training group I was in.

Training group? Unless they were tired of your stories, I don't think
they were aiming at you, Len.


Your embellishment of your military service is legend.
Dave K8MN
Your smugness is legendary.

It must be his training at the Fruenze Military Academy. :-)

Well, we've had Major Dud in here expostulating up a storm
about his "USMC career."

There has been no one posting under that name, ever. If you mean Steve
Robeson, there is a freely accessible web site with information
confirming his time in the USMC. You've either never found it or never
bothered looking.

We've had Heil telling all sorts of
things about "being in a country AT war."

No, you haven't had me telling you much of anything. That seems to get
your goat.

Those all blend
together, don't they?

Actually, they don't.

Did David actually OPERATE any radios (other than a BC
receiver) in Vietnam?

I actually operated HF radio equipment on a daily basis.

I must have missed one of his brags
about that because I don't recall him giving any information
on that.

You've likely missed all of my brags regarding my military service in
Vietnam. I've never made any.

I really can't believe half of what he says in here.

You could take it all to the bank, Len. I can't force you to believe
anything.

When I was assigned to ADA...

Here we go again.


But, David is passing a brick about my being a "newcomer
to radio" (after 54 years of that) and I guess we are supposed
to let him do that. [the pain must be excrutiating for him]

You're being disingenuous again, Leonard. I've stated that you are a
newcomer to *amateur* radio. Each time I've done so, you've tried to
make it appear that I've used the generic term "radio".

Dave K8MN

On Mar 29, 10:38 pm, Dave Heil wrote:
AF6AY wrote:
On Mar 29, 3:08?am, wrote:
On Mar 29, 12:18 am, Dave Heil wrote:

You bleated something about Korea. ?
You bleated something about running for the Roanoke Division
Directorship. ?How's your nomination coming?
He may have only 1 nomination vote. shrug

I've not announced that I'm running for any ARRL office. If or when I
do, you'll not have a chance to vote for a candidate from the Roanoke
Division. I understand your error. You're a newcomer to amateur radio.

Apparently not. Len understands that he cannot vote for you. You'll
have to look elsewhere for your one vote.

Best of luck on your nomination.

wrote:
On Mar 29, 10:38 pm, Dave Heil wrote:
AF6AY wrote:
On Mar 29, 3:08?am, wrote:
On Mar 29, 12:18 am, Dave Heil wrote:
You bleated something about Korea. ?
You bleated something about running for the Roanoke Division
Directorship. ?How's your nomination coming?
He may have only 1 nomination vote. shrug
I've not announced that I'm running for any ARRL office. If or when I
do, you'll not have a chance to vote for a candidate from the Roanoke
Division. I understand your error. You're a newcomer to amateur radio.

Apparently not. Len understands that he cannot vote for you.

Does he? He seems to think that nominations are votes.

You'll
have to look elsewhere for your one vote.

Best of luck on your nomination.

A guy who can't find the required number of other ARRL full members in
his entire Division to sign his nominating petition would have more
problems than worrying about getting one vote. Even Carl Stevenson
rounded up enough folks to be nominated. He was "otherwise disqualified."

Dave K8MN

On Mar 29, 11:10 pm, Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:
On Mar 29, 10:38 pm, Dave Heil wrote:
AF6AY wrote:
On Mar 29, 3:08?am, wrote:
On Mar 29, 12:18 am, Dave Heil wrote:
You bleated something about Korea. ?
You bleated something about running for the Roanoke Division
Directorship. ?How's your nomination coming?
He may have only 1 nomination vote. shrug
I've not announced that I'm running for any ARRL office. If or when I
do, you'll not have a chance to vote for a candidate from the Roanoke
Division. I understand your error. You're a newcomer to amateur radio.

Apparently not. Len understands that he cannot vote for you.

Does he? He seems to think that nominations are votes.

You'll
have to look elsewhere for your one vote.

Best of luck on your nomination.

A guy who can't find the required number of other ARRL full members in
his entire Division to sign his nominating petition would have more
problems than worrying about getting one vote.

Indeed. That was Len's point. Nice to see you came around to it in
your round about way.

wrote:
On Mar 29, 11:10 pm, Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:
On Mar 29, 10:38 pm, Dave Heil wrote:
AF6AY wrote:
On Mar 29, 3:08?am, wrote:
On Mar 29, 12:18 am, Dave Heil wrote:
You bleated something about Korea. ?
You bleated something about running for the Roanoke Division
Directorship. ?How's your nomination coming?
He may have only 1 nomination vote. shrug
I've not announced that I'm running for any ARRL office. If or when I
do, you'll not have a chance to vote for a candidate from the Roanoke
Division. I understand your error. You're a newcomer to amateur radio.
Apparently not. Len understands that he cannot vote for you.
Does he? He seems to think that nominations are votes.

You'll
have to look elsewhere for your one vote.
Best of luck on your nomination.
A guy who can't find the required number of other ARRL full members in
his entire Division to sign his nominating petition would have more
problems than worrying about getting one vote.

Indeed. That was Len's point.

Len's point is under his hair.

You and Len seem a little confused. I'm not running for any League
office. I've not made any announcement that I was.

Nice to see you came around to it in
your round about way.

I'd think you'd see that you and Leonard are walking around in circles.
You had me running for an election and Len had me looking for a
"nomination vote." Those were two factual errors from two folks who
make quite a number of factual errors.

Dave K8MN

"Dave Heil" wrote:

You're being disingenuous again, Leonard. I've stated that you are a
newcomer to *amateur* radio. Each time I've done so, you've tried to make
it appear that I've used the generic term "radio".

I think Grandpa Lennie is simply jealous of the fact that due to his waiting
54 years to get an amateur radio license -- and the fact that the actuarial
tables state he probably doesn't have 15 years left -- he will be unable to
accumulate 230k+ QSOs that others accumulated here have.

KH6HZ wrote:
"Dave Heil" wrote:

You're being disingenuous again, Leonard. I've stated that you are a
newcomer to *amateur* radio. Each time I've done so, you've tried to make
it appear that I've used the generic term "radio".

I think Grandpa Lennie is simply jealous of the fact that due to his waiting
54 years to get an amateur radio license...

It doesn't matter whether he's jealous or not, Mike. He can fill up his
years with getting on 75m and telling hams who have been in the game for
decades about his experiences at ADA in the 1950's.

-- and the fact that the actuarial
tables state he probably doesn't have 15 years left...

I don't intend to keep reminding him of his remaining time on the
planet. Any of us could easily go before Len does. All it takes is a
traffic accident (Roger Wiseman's death wish for me: failing brakes,
sharp curves, twisting road) or a sudden illness. The fact is that I've
already enjoyed 43 years in amateur radio.

-- he will be unable to
accumulate 230k+ QSOs that others accumulated here have.

If he gets busy and hones his skills, he could get it done. I made over
that number in my nearly sixteen years overseas though it wasn't really
that long since I was typically in the U.S. for two to three months
between assignments and usually burned a month or so of leave in the
U.S. or elsewhere each year. I've submitted nearly 30,000 QSOs to LOTW
but I still have years of contest logs from the paper logging days which
have yet to be entered into the computer logging database. It'd be nice
to have a half million or so QSOs logged before departure time.

If Len Anderson wants to pretend that he is part of some revolution, let
him play. He'll unbox his JA transceiver, hook it to a vertical antenna
and have all the fun he is capable of having.

Dave K8MN

On Mar 29, 6:24�pm, Dave Heil wrote a typical
warm, wonderful "welcome" message of:
KH6HZ wrote:
"Dave Heil" wrote:

You're being disingenuous again, Leonard. *I've stated that you are a
newcomer to *amateur* radio. Each time I've done so, you've tried to make
it appear that I've used the generic term "radio".

I think Grandpa Lennie is simply jealous of the fact that due to his waiting
54 years to get an amateur radio license...

It doesn't matter whether he's jealous or not, Mike. *He can fill up his
years with getting on 75m and telling hams who have been in the game for
decades about his experiences at ADA in the 1950's.

Ah, but I DID have those experiences, proven by several
publicly-accessible references and documented
licenses. :-)

Tsk, that seems to **** off some "club call" collectors
and civilian government service "careerists." :-)

Does having been granted a Commercial radiotelephone
operator license 51 years ago NOT count? Of course it
"doesn't count" sinc AMATEUR RADIO is the ONLY WAY
one can "get experience" according to the snipers and
general cat-callers.

-- and the fact that the actuarial
tables state he probably doesn't have 15 years left...

I don't intend to keep reminding him of his remaining time on the
planet. *Any of us could easily go before Len does. *All it takes is a
traffic accident (Roger Wiseman's death wish for me: failing brakes,
sharp curves, twisting road) or a sudden illness. *The fact is that I've
already enjoyed 43 years in amateur radio.

Practice safe and defensive driving, Sir Heil.

I've enjoyed 54 years in MANY different radio services...and
51 years of those NOT paid for directly the US government.

-- he will be unable to
accumulate 230k+ QSOs that others accumulated here have.

If he gets busy and hones his skills, he could get it done. *I made over
that number in my nearly sixteen years overseas though it wasn't really
that long since I was typically in the U.S. for two to three months
between assignments and usually burned a month or so of leave in the
U.S. or elsewhere each year. *I've submitted nearly 30,000 QSOs to LOTW
but I still have years of contest logs from the paper logging days which
have yet to be entered into the computer logging database. *It'd be nice
to have a half million or so QSOs logged before departure time.

I don't recall that U.S. government regulations REQUIRE
all that CONTACT collection. [looking through Title 47
again...] Nope, NOTHING in the regulations about that...

So, nearly a quarter million [transitory] CONTACTS via
amateur radio. What does that prove? The capability of
making lots of [transitory] contacts? Yes, but doing so
many is little more than accumulating some self-logged
contacts that take a relatively long time to ascertain.
There are collectors who have amassed great quantities
of pennies, string, and other items.

If Len Anderson wants to pretend that he is part of some revolution, let
him play.

Tsk, tsk, I *AM* part of the revolution... :-)

*He'll unbox his JA transceiver, hook it to a vertical antenna
and have all the fun he is capable of having.

Already done. :-)

Marie, I know you want to give cake to the peasants, but
don't lose your head in excoriating them...

73, Len AF6AY