KH6HZ wrote:
"Dave Heil" wrote:

You're being disingenuous again, Leonard. I've stated that you are a
newcomer to *amateur* radio. Each time I've done so, you've tried to make
it appear that I've used the generic term "radio".

I think Grandpa Lennie is simply jealous of the fact that due to his waiting
54 years to get an amateur radio license...

It doesn't matter whether he's jealous or not, Mike. He can fill up his
years with getting on 75m and telling hams who have been in the game for
decades about his experiences at ADA in the 1950's.

-- and the fact that the actuarial
tables state he probably doesn't have 15 years left...

I don't intend to keep reminding him of his remaining time on the
planet. Any of us could easily go before Len does. All it takes is a
traffic accident (Roger Wiseman's death wish for me: failing brakes,
sharp curves, twisting road) or a sudden illness. The fact is that I've
already enjoyed 43 years in amateur radio.

-- he will be unable to
accumulate 230k+ QSOs that others accumulated here have.

If he gets busy and hones his skills, he could get it done. I made over
that number in my nearly sixteen years overseas though it wasn't really
that long since I was typically in the U.S. for two to three months
between assignments and usually burned a month or so of leave in the
U.S. or elsewhere each year. I've submitted nearly 30,000 QSOs to LOTW
but I still have years of contest logs from the paper logging days which
have yet to be entered into the computer logging database. It'd be nice
to have a half million or so QSOs logged before departure time.

If Len Anderson wants to pretend that he is part of some revolution, let
him play. He'll unbox his JA transceiver, hook it to a vertical antenna
and have all the fun he is capable of having.

Dave K8MN

On Mar 29, 6:24�pm, Dave Heil wrote a typical
warm, wonderful "welcome" message of:
KH6HZ wrote:
"Dave Heil" wrote:

You're being disingenuous again, Leonard. *I've stated that you are a
newcomer to *amateur* radio. Each time I've done so, you've tried to make
it appear that I've used the generic term "radio".

I think Grandpa Lennie is simply jealous of the fact that due to his waiting
54 years to get an amateur radio license...

It doesn't matter whether he's jealous or not, Mike. *He can fill up his
years with getting on 75m and telling hams who have been in the game for
decades about his experiences at ADA in the 1950's.

Ah, but I DID have those experiences, proven by several
publicly-accessible references and documented
licenses. :-)

Tsk, that seems to **** off some "club call" collectors
and civilian government service "careerists." :-)

Does having been granted a Commercial radiotelephone
operator license 51 years ago NOT count? Of course it
"doesn't count" sinc AMATEUR RADIO is the ONLY WAY
one can "get experience" according to the snipers and
general cat-callers.

-- and the fact that the actuarial
tables state he probably doesn't have 15 years left...

I don't intend to keep reminding him of his remaining time on the
planet. *Any of us could easily go before Len does. *All it takes is a
traffic accident (Roger Wiseman's death wish for me: failing brakes,
sharp curves, twisting road) or a sudden illness. *The fact is that I've
already enjoyed 43 years in amateur radio.

Practice safe and defensive driving, Sir Heil.

I've enjoyed 54 years in MANY different radio services...and
51 years of those NOT paid for directly the US government.

-- he will be unable to
accumulate 230k+ QSOs that others accumulated here have.

If he gets busy and hones his skills, he could get it done. *I made over
that number in my nearly sixteen years overseas though it wasn't really
that long since I was typically in the U.S. for two to three months
between assignments and usually burned a month or so of leave in the
U.S. or elsewhere each year. *I've submitted nearly 30,000 QSOs to LOTW
but I still have years of contest logs from the paper logging days which
have yet to be entered into the computer logging database. *It'd be nice
to have a half million or so QSOs logged before departure time.

I don't recall that U.S. government regulations REQUIRE
all that CONTACT collection. [looking through Title 47
again...] Nope, NOTHING in the regulations about that...

So, nearly a quarter million [transitory] CONTACTS via
amateur radio. What does that prove? The capability of
making lots of [transitory] contacts? Yes, but doing so
many is little more than accumulating some self-logged
contacts that take a relatively long time to ascertain.
There are collectors who have amassed great quantities
of pennies, string, and other items.

If Len Anderson wants to pretend that he is part of some revolution, let
him play.

Tsk, tsk, I *AM* part of the revolution... :-)

*He'll unbox his JA transceiver, hook it to a vertical antenna
and have all the fun he is capable of having.

Already done. :-)

Marie, I know you want to give cake to the peasants, but
don't lose your head in excoriating them...

73, Len AF6AY

AF6AY wrote:
On Mar 29, 6:24�pm, Dave Heil wrote a typical
warm, wonderful "welcome" message of:
KH6HZ wrote:
"Dave Heil" wrote:
You're being disingenuous again, Leonard. �I've stated that you are a
newcomer to *amateur* radio. Each time I've done so, you've tried to make
it appear that I've used the generic term "radio".
I think Grandpa Lennie is simply jealous of the fact that due to his waiting
54 years to get an amateur radio license...
It doesn't matter whether he's jealous or not, Mike. �He can fill up his
years with getting on 75m and telling hams who have been in the game for
decades about his experiences at ADA in the 1950's.

Ah, but I DID have those experiences, proven by several
publicly-accessible references and documented
licenses. :-)

I've seen little indication that anyone but you cares.

Does having been granted a Commercial radiotelephone
operator license 51 years ago NOT count?

Not count as what, Leonard?

Of course it
"doesn't count" sinc AMATEUR RADIO is the ONLY WAY
one can "get experience" according to the snipers and
general cat-callers.

It certainly doesn't count as experience in amateur radio, Len.
That's a plain and simple fact.

-- and the fact that the actuarial
tables state he probably doesn't have 15 years left...
I don't intend to keep reminding him of his remaining time on the
planet. �Any of us could easily go before Len does. �All it takes is a
traffic accident (Roger Wiseman's death wish for me: failing brakes,
sharp curves, twisting road) or a sudden illness. �The fact is that I've
already enjoyed 43 years in amateur radio.

Practice safe and defensive driving, Sir Heil.

I've always done so.

I've enjoyed 54 years in MANY different radio services...and
51 years of those NOT paid for directly the US government.

That's great, Len. I'm happy for you. I hope you'll gain some
experience in amateur radio. Perhaps you'll learn the ropes and lose
that neophyte status.

-- he will be unable to
accumulate 230k+ QSOs that others accumulated here have.

If he gets busy and hones his skills, he could get it done. �I made over
that number in my nearly sixteen years overseas though it wasn't really
that long since I was typically in the U.S. for two to three months
between assignments and usually burned a month or so of leave in the
U.S. or elsewhere each year. �I've submitted nearly 30,000 QSOs to LOTW
but I still have years of contest logs from the paper logging days which
have yet to be entered into the computer logging database. �It'd be nice
to have a half million or so QSOs logged before departure time.

I don't recall that U.S. government regulations REQUIRE
all that CONTACT collection. [looking through Title 47
again...] Nope, NOTHING in the regulations about that...

You don't have to make any contacts at all, Len. It really won't bother me.

So, nearly a quarter million [transitory] CONTACTS via
amateur radio.

Way over that number, Leonard. All human radio contacts are transitory.

What does that prove? The capability of
making lots of [transitory] contacts?

The only kind of radio contacts there are, happen to be transitory.

Yes, but doing so
many is little more than accumulating some self-logged
contacts...

Self-logged? What other kind are there?

...that take a relatively long time to ascertain.

What, pray tell, does that mean?

There are collectors who have amassed great quantities
of pennies, string, and other items.

Great, Len. If you'd like to do one of those things, feel free.

If Len Anderson wants to pretend that he is part of some revolution, let
him play.

Tsk, tsk, I *AM* part of the revolution... :-)

Right.

He'll unbox his JA transceiver, hook it to a vertical antenna
and have all the fun he is capable of having.

Already done. :-)

Having all the fun you're capable of having? :-)

Marie, I know you want to give cake to the peasants, but
don't lose your head in excoriating them...

You aren't lopping off heads, Len. You're a beginner in amateur radio.
Trust me on this point: You'll get all the recognition you deserve.

Dave K8MN

Dave Heil wrote:

...
You aren't lopping off heads, Len. You're a beginner in amateur radio.
Trust me on this point: You'll get all the recognition you deserve.

Dave K8MN

Standing in the midst of genderless midgets, he IS bound to get
attention! 8-)

JS

John Smith I wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:

...
You aren't lopping off heads, Len. You're a beginner in amateur radio.
Trust me on this point: You'll get all the recognition you deserve.

Dave K8MN

Standing in the midst of genderless midgets, he IS bound to get
attention! 8-)

I'll bet. His problem is where to find a bunch of genderless midgets.
Who knows, they might elect him their leader.

Dave K8MN

"Dave Heil" wrote:

I'll bet. His problem is where to find a bunch of genderless midgets.
Who knows, they might elect him their leader.

Follow the diamond-brick road....

Follow the diamond-brick road....

Follow, follow, follow, follow

Follow the diamond-brick road....

On Apr 4, 11:50 am, Dave Heil wrote:
John Smith I wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:

...
You aren't lopping off heads, Len. You're a beginner in amateur radio.
Trust me on this point: You'll get all the recognition you deserve.

Dave K8MN

Standing in the midst of genderless midgets, he IS bound to get
attention! 8-)

I'll bet. His problem is where to find a bunch of genderless midgets.
Who knows, they might elect him their leader.

Dave K8MN

Speaking of genderless midgets, elections, and leaders, how's your run
for the Roanoke Division Directorship going?

From: John Smith I on Wed, 04 Apr 2007
06:17:11 -0700

Dave Heil snarled:

...

You aren't lopping off heads, Len. You're a beginner in amateur radio.
Trust me on this point: You'll get all the recognition you deserve.

Standing in the midst of genderless midgets, he IS bound to get
attention! 8-)

Careful, JS, you are speaking to Mister DeeEcks, formerly from
the Government! [here to help? nah...]

He WAS DX!

Like that is the "only" function a US amateur "must" have...
"working DX on HF with CW." :-)

I've got to stay away from those rainbows...all those Little
People near them with little round pots.

73, Len AF6AY

AF6AY wrote:

...
Careful, JS, you are speaking to Mister DeeEcks, formerly from
the Government! [here to help? nah...]

He WAS DX!
...
73, Len AF6AY



Len:

I am quite sure the problem is all on this end; the importance of
pointless bickering has always escaped me ...

Regards,
JS

On Apr 5, 3:52�am, John Smith I wrote:
AF6AY wrote:

* ...

* *Careful, JS, you are speaking to Mister DeeEcks, formerly from
* *the Government! *[here to help? *nah...]

* *He WAS DX!

Len:

I am quite sure the problem is all on this end; *the importance of
pointless bickering has always escaped me ...

It ain't "pointless bickering" in Heil's case. In the typical
"look at me, I am SOMEBODY" fashion of computer-modem
comms, the bickerer has to come out on top, regardless.

During Word War 3 prior to FCC 06-178, morsemen HAD
to be on top. It was almost a compulsion. Just about all
the old morse myths were brought out, dusted off, and
presented in all their "glory" despite being outmoded, out-
dated, too worn to use in the future. Morsemen were
intensely PROUD of their skill and were bound and
determined to shove it down everyone's throat...whether
anyone actually thought much of the mode or not. They
had rank, status, privilege all because of that morse skill
and hated to lose any of it. It was almost a fight for
survival of a species...it was THEM or no one...and to
hell with what any newcomer thinks or for the future of
US amateur radio. It was extremism in the defence of
their very-private playground. [de fence was up and
trying to keep off the encroaching voice modes]

Early on I had mentioned my military service assignment.
I thought it was adequate proof that "CW" wasn't up to
the task of hundreds of thousands of message relays
per month (teleprinter was used)...the necessity for an
entire military theater of operations doing 24/7 duty during
the Cold War. No, the morsemen HAD to try turning that
around to "my bragging" and a general big nothing during
Word War 3. Sure, I did brag some since I absolutely
lucked out on that assignment, even if the station was only
the third largest in the Army worldwide network. Even
being only third, pushing 220K messages relayed a month
24/7 is Big Business any way one slices it. The amateur
national network can't come close to that using RTTY and
certainly not via "CW." Manual "CW" even at 20 to 40
WPM just can't beat the old 60 WPM machinery (then
the only form of Data using electromechanical terminals).

That was in 1953 to 1956 and most of the "CW" super-
skilled hams in here were just being born (a few not yet
conceived). The military was ramping up its skills and
beginning to go 100 WPM teleprinter, 300 WPM "Data"
(that word not yet in vogue then), using Troposcatter
and hoping satellites could be put up without the launch
vehicles constantly exploding on the pad. All was
accomplished and more, no military OR commercial
service looking back to quaint old methods. Yet the
superskilled (self-imagined) hams HAD to stay with ALL
needing to be federally tested for "important" skill of
morse code! For a hobby activity yet. Morsemen had
done it, therefore "all could do it."

None of the Word War 3 fighting on morsemanship was
"pointless bickering" to the morsemen. They were the
"best radio operators" and HAD to tell everyone they
were. Years and years of them honing their twitchy-
fingered skills on the paddles made them a needed
resource in homeland defense and security of the nation,
the amateur radio SERVICE...and all should look up to
them, admire them, salute them as they entered a
room and other ossifer courtesy tenderred in utmost
respect and reverence.

So, on 17th February I decided to get in the amateur radio
hobby. Might be fun...except in here waging the on-going
gorilla fight in the post Word War 3 era. I became an
Extra Out Of The Box by test on February 25th, by law on
7 March. All the operating privileges of any OTHER Extra
are mine, no restrictions by law. Now Heil wants to drone
on that I'm such a "Beginner, a Neophyte" in ANY radio,
amateur or not. After 54 years of doing it in many radio
services? Amateurism is extra super-special most very
difficult to learn? No. It is for me and morsemanship,
something I will probably never use, but who really cares
except morsemen? The FCC gives the OPTION to any
amateur to use ANY allocated mode, any allocated band.

Ah, but Heil, Miccolis, Kelly, et al, say I "MUST" use "CW"
to "PROVE WORTH." Prove to whom? To them? Mais non,
mon ami, they be just little people, almost a protected
species of old and, with the protection they had gone, now
a dying breed. They continue their POINTLESS BICKERING
yet, trying to put down all those who do not agree with Their
magnificence and god-like skills. It is Them against the rest
of the radio world and they are losing. Let them bicker and
rant. It is all they have left in the wreckage of their fallen
towers and former imagined glory.

73, Len AF6AY