AF6AY wrote:
From: Dave Heil on Thu, 29 Mar 2007 16:34:59 GMT

AF6AY wrote:
From: on Wed, 28 Mar 2007 16:00:14 -0400

I have a much lesser view of "inertia" (failure to "get going"
on some problem) that is supposed to be in government. I see
such "inertia" as simply the time required in having to
consider ALL citizens' input, not just one group that thinks
they are the 'only' ones who can be righteous on some viewpoint.
I'm sure that your view was formulated based upon your own experience
with inertia: Decades of considering all things concerning GETTING INTO
amateur radio, better than ten years of posting in this newsgroup, your
false start over seven years ago and finally, waiting for the Morse code
test to disappear.

Oh, my, passing that brick must have REALLY hurt! You
certainly MANUFACTURED a great number of FALSEHOODS
there, David. :-)

No, Leonard, I didn't manufacture any of it.

Amateur radio was NOT one of my life goals, David.

Why not sift through my statements above? You can let me know if you
find anything where I've written that amateur radio was one of your life
goals.

It is just
a small part of the much larger world of radio where I've lived
and worked in for decades. It just wasn't something I desired
or longed for during all that time.

Watch out, Len! You're fibbing again. You have expressed in this
newsgroup, a several decades interest in amateur radio. You have also
posted to this amateur radio newsgroup for better than a decade. You
have repeatedly written about "GETTING INTO amateur radio".
Additionally, your boast of seven years back is archived. There have
been several accurate quotes of it reposted here.

My participation in a campaign to (successfully) eliminate the
morse code test was a POLITICAL exercise in regards to old,
antiquated radio regulations for a hobby radio activity.

It may be just a hobby activity to you, Len. The FCC does not define it
as such anywhere. Your "participation" in whatever does not negate your
past statements.

That
had NOTHING to do with (what you imagine) as lusting after a
amateur radio license. :-)

NOTHING, huh?


Newcomers are generally
younger and aren't buying "the old guy's club" stuff like the
old guys did when they were young.

Generally younger? Do you mean generally younger than yourself when you
became a newcomer some weeks ago?

I was a newcomer in radio 54 years ago. :-) I'm not a "newcomer"
in ANY radio, sweetums.

You're certainly a newcomer, Windy. You're a newcomer to amateur
radio--a beginner, a neophyte. Are you a youngster? Do you think of
the ARRL as an "old guy's club"? Do you consider yourself one of
amateur radio's Young Turks?

I became an ARRL member at 14.

Bully for you. Why did you WAIT so long?

I thought it best to wait until I had an amateur radio license.

Didn't you know that
you could have been licensed at age 4?

I didn't know amateur radio existed until I was nearly 13. I was
licensed a little over a year later. I suppose I could have hemmed and
hawed and procrastinated until the middle of my eighth decade. I didn't
see the point of waiting.

You WAITED and procrastinated for a WHOLE DECADE! :-)

No, Len, I didn't. When the calendar indicates my 44th year in amateur
radio, I'll be just 58.


My opinion is that the FCC thinks LESS of the ARRL than it might
have two decades or more ago.

That's your opinion and you're entitled to it. That doesn't make it
factual; it just makes it your opinion.

Yes, Sherlock, that is MY OPINION.

I just wrote that, Major Hoople.

You don't like my opinion.

Not much.

TS on that, sweetums.

You "TS" a lot of things, Foghorn.

Your dislike of MY OPINION is just your dislike. It doesn't
make YOU "right" or even factual. :-)

Being factual makes me "right" and "factual". :-)


Other radio services have their own man-made jargon, procedures and
regulations.

How do you know?

I know through participation. I know through listening. I know through
reading.

Did you go to State Department RADIO
SCHOOL to learn that?

Certainly I learned State Department procedure via State Department
instruction. Happy now?

Or did State accept your "knowledge
of ham radio" as superior to everything else and just
assign you to an Embassy right away?

I went through three months of initial instruction and went through
additional classes between tours. I did get a pass on the HF radio
propagation and electronics theory portion of the courses since that
part of the class was from the Heathkit General Class amateur radio
licensing course.

Why don't you quote some "jargon and procedure" from an ATCRBS?

Why would anyone quote anything from an automated system?

How about from some harbor or inland waterway?

To what end?

How about from
some MARS field exercise with other government radio services?

To what end?

Do you roger that, old airman? :-)

You seem to have a lock on old air, man. :-)

Amateur radio is not solely about design and theory. Much of it is
about operating, the thing which an amateur radio license permits you to do.

I've OPERATED radios on LF, on HF, on VHF, on UHF, and on
microwaves WITHOUT *ANY* LICENSE! Legally, too. :-)

That's grand, Len. I celebrate your deeds.

I've OPERATED broadcast transmitters, even talked over them,
with a COMMERCIAL radio operator license...something that is
NOT PERMITTED with an amateur radio license.

Funny you mention that, Len. I've done that too. It isn't amateur
radio. Broadcasting is a one-way medium. You can talk to Don Imus, but
he isn't listening.

I've OPERATED a civil aviation radio, its companion VOR, and
ATC Transponder with a COMMERCIAL radio operator license. The
FCC will not allow an amateur radio licensee to do that unless
they have a commercial license. That was AT the controls of
the aircraft at the time. :-)

That isn't amateur radio either, Leonard. Your puffery knows no bounds.

I have NOT "operated" using morse code on any radio...

No kidding?

...and I
don't care to do so now.

So don't do it.

Isn't that what YOU call "operating
a radio?" :-)

No, Len, that isn't what I call "operating a radio", though it certainly
can be considered such. I operate using a variety of modes.

The practitioners of amateur radio, at least some, will pound
on the table, get red in the face, hollering that the ONLY way
one can learn "radio" is to become an amateur licensee. That's
totally stupid emotional non-logic.

It surely is stupid, emotional non-logic.

If you think so, why on earth did you use the "newcomer to radio"
remark earlier in this message?

You use quotations to indicate something I didn't say. You're a
newcomer to amateur radio.

Well, at least you agree that some of YOUR OWN remarks in
the past were, indeed, "stupid, emotional non-logic."

I made no such remark.

In fact, you're the only fellow I've seen make such a statement.

Did your computer screen malfunction. I was just paraphrasing
your own words of the past.

You didn't paraphrase any of my statements.


Most of those just haven't
had any real experience in other radio services and the resent
those of us who have done so.

I wouldn't advise that you start off making such statements when you
first put your brand new amateur radio license to use in getting on the air.

I've already been on the amateur bands, David...

Oh? You have your new station set up and operational? How's it working
out for you?

...and have
discussed such subjects with other radio amateurs here. :-)

Here? That isn't a response to what I wrote.

Those practitioners want to SHUT
OUT any mention of other radio services as "not applicable" to
amateur radio.

That's not the case either, Leonard. You've been told that amateur
radio is not like other services when it comes to the use of Morse code.

Tsk, tsk, you've TOLD ME a lot of different ****, David.

You don't have to believe what I write, Len. The information I provide
you comes with a guarantee--if you don't like it or choose not to accept
it, you get double your incorrect ideas back.

Complete with the wearing of the Waffen SS costume with
monocle in a terrible parody of Colonel Klink. :-)

That isn't a sentence. :-)

It is still heavily used in amateur HF and VHF weak signal work.

Then by all means USE it yourself.

Why, I do use it quite often. It isn't my sole mode of operation.

Why do you insist on
shoving YOUR preferences down others' throats?

Feel free to point to any statement I've made which indicates that Morse
Code is the only mode available to radio amateurs. I made an accurate
statement indicating that CW is heavily used by radio amateurs in both
HF operation and in VHF/UHF weak signal work. You saw my statement as
me shoving my preferences down your throat. Your response was very,
very odd.

It would be if your statement were true. It isn't. You've made another
factual error.

Tsk, tsk, your biggest FACTUAL ERROR was opening your browser
and attempting to convince others that their preferences should
be the same as yours.

I wrote no such thing. You've made yet another factual error.

Compounding that was your FACTUAL ERROR
in assuming you were some kind of "authority" and/or "leader"
on who should do what and where.

My statement on the use of CW was accurate. It included nothing about
who should do what and where. That's yet another factual error on your
part.

Every time you shout "factual error" you make your own FACTUAL
ERROR.

You've just made another factual error, Len. I'll let you slide on the
part where you think I'm shouting. I'm typing and only use "all caps"
when doing a parody of you.

You have NO authority to judge anyone.

I don't need to ask permission to make a judgment, Len. We all make
judgments each day.

You weren't even
elected to any ARRL office...

I've been back in the U.S. for nearly seven years. In that time, I've
not sought an ARRL elected position.

...and you've been a member since you
were fourteen!

That's right!

I'd say you really, Really, REALLY procrastinated
on that. My, my, all that time and couldn't become an OFFICER!

An OFFICER? The membership doesn't elect OFFICERS, Len. It elects
Division Directors, Vice Directors and Section Managers. OFFICERS are
selected by the BoD.

Have you considered joining the Civil Air Patrol?

No, Len and I've not considered joining Moose Lodge either.

I hear they
will make just about anyone an OFFICER!

I don't fly a plane, Len.

No USAF schooling in
that, either!

Apparently there isn't any in the Moose Lodge either.

Now hurry up and PASS THAT BRICK.

If you need a brick, you can buy one through the ARRL. You could even
get one with your spanking new callsign and create your own memorial.

Dave K8MN