wrote:
On Apr 7, 5:31 pm, wrote:
On Apr 3, 1:34?pm, "AF6AY" wrote:

On Mar 29, 6:24?pm, Dave Heil wrote a typical
warm, wonderful "welcome" message of:
Well, Len, you're just reaping what you've sown.

Jim, when life appears to be treating you unfairly, it isn't. You just
reap what you sow.

I wish you guys would start choosing your words more carefully. You'll
have Mark accusing both of you of promoting *reap*.

? ?Does having been granted a Commercial radiotelephone
? ?operator license 51 years ago NOT count? ?

Count for what, Len?

What do you think it should count for, when the subject is amateur
radio?

Welp, according to Heil, he was able to bypass military comms training
as he held an amateur license. He was DDA.

You continue to misquote me. My amateur radio license gave me the
knowledge to pass the Bypassed Specialist exams. Passing the exams
allowed me to bypass tech school.

Of course it
? ?"doesn't count" sinc AMATEUR RADIO is the ONLY WAY
? ?one can "get experience" according to the snipers and
? ?general cat-callers.

Amateur radio is the only way to get *amateur radio* experience,
Len.

You've got plenty of that, Jim. Probably more than a 4 year old
Extra.

You're right, Brian. Jim has forty years of amateur radio experience.
Len has a few weeks at best.

Do you think you know more about amateur radio than someone who has
been an active radio amateur for several decades?

What's to know? Please start a list.

You've held a license for at least a couple of decades. Shouldn't you
have an inkling by now?

And a couple of weeks as a licensed radio amateur. That makes you an
amateur radio neophyte, Len. A beginner, novice, newcomer, wet-behind-
the-ears tyro.Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Right. Are you running for ARRL office as well? Sure sounds like it.

What do you mean "as well?" Do you know someone who is running for an
ARRL elected position?


I suspect that you are jealous of K8MN, Len.

He's merely annoying. He knows everything - just ask him.

I will. Len, do you know everything?


Let's see...you bought some manufactured equipment,
put together a basic station, and made a few contacts
using voice modes like SSB and FM. How "revolutionary"
is that?

He did it on HF without a single morse code exam.

Vive le revolucion!


Are you one of the peasants, Len? You act more
like you are one of the arrogant nobility.

Len, nobility? He's merely your peer... your equal.

I can't see how that works, Brian. Len is a guy who became a brand new
radio amateur a few weeks ago.

Dave K8MN

On Apr 9, 2:05 am, Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:
On Apr 7, 5:31 pm, wrote:
On Apr 3, 1:34?pm, "AF6AY" wrote:

On Mar 29, 6:24?pm, Dave Heil wrote a typical
warm, wonderful "welcome" message of:
Well, Len, you're just reaping what you've sown.

Jim, when life appears to be treating you unfairly, it isn't. You just
reap what you sow.

I wish you guys would start choosing your words more carefully. You'll
have Mark accusing both of you of promoting *reap*.

Ha! Dave makes a funny about Robesin's accusations of rape. Great
subject to joke about.

? ?Does having been granted a Commercial radiotelephone
? ?operator license 51 years ago NOT count? ?
Count for what, Len?

What do you think it should count for, when the subject is amateur
radio?

Welp, according to Heil, he was able to bypass military comms training
as he held an amateur license. He was DDA.

You continue to misquote me.

I see no quote.

My amateur radio license gave me the
knowledge to pass the Bypassed Specialist exams.

Wrong. False. The knowledge comes before the license, otherwise how
could you have passed the amateur exam?

Passing the exams
allowed me to bypass tech school.

So you really did bypass military comms training? Exactly how did I
"misquote" you?

Of course it
? ?"doesn't count" sinc AMATEUR RADIO is the ONLY WAY
? ?one can "get experience" according to the snipers and
? ?general cat-callers.
Amateur radio is the only way to get *amateur radio* experience,
Len.

You've got plenty of that, Jim. Probably more than a 4 year old
Extra.

You're right, Brian. Jim has forty years of amateur radio experience.
Len has a few weeks at best.

I'm sure he'll catsup quick.

Do you think you know more about amateur radio than someone who has
been an active radio amateur for several decades?

What's to know? Please start a list.

You've held a license for at least a couple of decades. Shouldn't you
have an inkling by now?

You're 59...

And a couple of weeks as a licensed radio amateur. That makes you an
amateur radio neophyte, Len. A beginner, novice, newcomer, wet-behind-
the-ears tyro.Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Right. Are you running for ARRL office as well? Sure sounds like it.

What do you mean "as well?" Do you know someone who is running for an
ARRL elected position?

You've announced a run for the Roanoke Division Directorship.

I suspect that you are jealous of K8MN, Len.

He's merely annoying. He knows everything - just ask him.

I will. Len, do you know everything?

Let's see...you bought some manufactured equipment,
put together a basic station, and made a few contacts
using voice modes like SSB and FM. How "revolutionary"
is that?

He did it on HF without a single morse code exam.

Vive le revolucion!

Are you one of the peasants, Len? You act more
like you are one of the arrogant nobility.

Len, nobility? He's merely your peer... your equal.

I can't see how that works, Brian. Len is a guy who became a brand new
radio amateur a few weeks ago.

Dave K8MN

Len is a guy who holds an Extra license. What class of license do you
hold? ...does Jim hold?

Best of Luck

wrote:
On Apr 9, 2:05 am, Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:
On Apr 7, 5:31 pm, wrote:
On Apr 3, 1:34?pm, "AF6AY" wrote:
On Mar 29, 6:24?pm, Dave Heil wrote a typical
warm, wonderful "welcome" message of:
Well, Len, you're just reaping what you've sown.
Jim, when life appears to be treating you unfairly, it isn't. You just
reap what you sow.
I wish you guys would start choosing your words more carefully. You'll
have Mark accusing both of you of promoting *reap*.

Ha! Dave makes a funny about Robesin's accusations of rape. Great
subject to joke about.

? ?Does having been granted a Commercial radiotelephone
? ?operator license 51 years ago NOT count? ?
Count for what, Len?
What do you think it should count for, when the subject is amateur
radio?
Welp, according to Heil, he was able to bypass military comms training
as he held an amateur license. He was DDA.
You continue to misquote me.

I see no quote.

You used the words "according to Heil". I never made such a statement.
You are in error.

My amateur radio license gave me the
knowledge to pass the Bypassed Specialist exams.

Wrong. False. The knowledge comes before the license, otherwise how
could you have passed the amateur exam?

The Bypassed Specialist exam was not an amateur radio exam. A number of
individuals here have pointed out that an amateur radio license is only
the beginning.

Passing the exams
allowed me to bypass tech school.

So you really did bypass military comms training? Exactly how did I
"misquote" you?

You misquoted me when you wrote "according to Heil" and follow it with
something I've not stated. The Air Force did not provide a pass on
training because I held an amateur radio license. The Air Force allowed
me to skip Tech School because I passed the Bypassed Specialist exam.

Of course it
? ?"doesn't count" sinc AMATEUR RADIO is the ONLY WAY
? ?one can "get experience" according to the snipers and
? ?general cat-callers.

Amateur radio is the only way to get *amateur radio* experience,
Len.

You've got plenty of that, Jim. Probably more than a 4 year old
Extra.

You're right, Brian. Jim has forty years of amateur radio experience.
Len has a few weeks at best.

I'm sure he'll catsup quick.

He'll have forty years experience in forty years.

Do you think you know more about amateur radio than someone who has
been an active radio amateur for several decades?

What's to know? Please start a list.

You've held a license for at least a couple of decades. Shouldn't you
have an inkling by now?

You're 59...

That's the sum total of knowledge you've acquired since you obtained an
amateur radio license?

And a couple of weeks as a licensed radio amateur. That makes you an
amateur radio neophyte, Len. A beginner, novice, newcomer, wet-behind-
the-ears tyro.Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Right. Are you running for ARRL office as well? Sure sounds like it.

What do you mean "as well?" Do you know someone who is running for an
ARRL elected position?

You've announced a run for the Roanoke Division Directorship.

No, Brian, I have not.

I suspect that you are jealous of K8MN, Len.

He's merely annoying. He knows everything - just ask him.

I will. Len, do you know everything?

Let's see...you bought some manufactured equipment,
put together a basic station, and made a few contacts
using voice modes like SSB and FM. How "revolutionary"
is that?

He did it on HF without a single morse code exam.

Vive le revolucion!

Are you one of the peasants, Len? You act more
like you are one of the arrogant nobility.

Len, nobility? He's merely your peer... your equal.

I can't see how that works, Brian. Len is a guy who became a brand new
radio amateur a few weeks ago.

Len is a guy who holds an Extra license. What class of license do you
hold? ...does Jim hold?

Oh, Len holds a license of the same class. He's been a radio amateur
for several weeks. He's green. Despite the tenor of some of his posts,
he's a novice in amateur radio. He's just begun.

Best of Luck

Well, thanks for the kind wishes, Brian. Maybe you'll want to wish Len
some luck in his venture into the world of amateur radio.

Dave K8MN

On Apr 9, 1:05 pm, Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:
On Apr 9, 2:05 am, Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:
On Apr 7, 5:31 pm, wrote:
On Apr 3, 1:34?pm, "AF6AY" wrote:
On Mar 29, 6:24?pm, Dave Heil wrote a typical
warm, wonderful "welcome" message of:
Well, Len, you're just reaping what you've sown.
Jim, when life appears to be treating you unfairly, it isn't. You just
reap what you sow.
I wish you guys would start choosing your words more carefully. You'll
have Mark accusing both of you of promoting *reap*.

Ha! Dave makes a funny about Robesin's accusations of rape. Great
subject to joke about.

? ?Does having been granted a Commercial radiotelephone
? ?operator license 51 years ago NOT count? ?
Count for what, Len?
What do you think it should count for, when the subject is amateur
radio?
Welp, according to Heil, he was able to bypass military comms training
as he held an amateur license. He was DDA.
You continue to misquote me.

I see no quote.

You used the words "according to Heil". I never made such a statement.
You are in error.

Yes I did, but that is no substitute for a quote.

My amateur radio license gave me the
knowledge to pass the Bypassed Specialist exams.

Wrong. False. The knowledge comes before the license, otherwise how
could you have passed the amateur exam?

The Bypassed Specialist exam was not an amateur radio exam.

So how could it be that your amateur radio knowledge was useful in
passing such a non-amateur radio exam?

A number of
individuals here have pointed out that an amateur radio license is only
the beginning.

If the exam is only the beginning, then multiple exams and multiple
license classes are superfluous. A number of individuals here have
pointed that out.

Passing the exams
allowed me to bypass tech school.

So you really did bypass military comms training? Exactly how did I
"misquote" you?

You misquoted me when you wrote "according to Heil" and follow it with
something I've not stated.

Yet it is what you did.

The Air Force did not provide a pass on
training because I held an amateur radio license. The Air Force allowed
me to skip Tech School because I passed the Bypassed Specialist exam.

Yet in your own words, you were able to pass that exam because of
amateur radio knowledge...

You sure do like to twist things up and smoke them.

Of course it
? ?"doesn't count" sinc AMATEUR RADIO is the ONLY WAY
? ?one can "get experience" according to the snipers and
? ?general cat-callers.
Amateur radio is the only way to get *amateur radio* experience,
Len.
You've got plenty of that, Jim. Probably more than a 4 year old
Extra.
You're right, Brian. Jim has forty years of amateur radio experience.
Len has a few weeks at best.

I'm sure he'll catsup quick.

He'll have forty years experience in forty years.

Poor Dave has to maintain that edge of superiority.

Do you think you know more about amateur radio than someone who has
been an active radio amateur for several decades?
What's to know? Please start a list.
You've held a license for at least a couple of decades. Shouldn't you
have an inkling by now?

You're 59...

That's the sum total of knowledge you've acquired since you obtained an
amateur radio license?

What? You don't like standardized replies that allow for 13 second
QSOs?

And a couple of weeks as a licensed radio amateur. That makes you an
amateur radio neophyte, Len. A beginner, novice, newcomer, wet-behind-
the-ears tyro.Not that there's anything wrong with that.
Right. Are you running for ARRL office as well? Sure sounds like it.
What do you mean "as well?" Do you know someone who is running for an
ARRL elected position?

You've announced a run for the Roanoke Division Directorship.

No, Brian, I have not.

Perhaps it was only wishful typing when you posted your run?

I suspect that you are jealous of K8MN, Len.
He's merely annoying. He knows everything - just ask him.
I will. Len, do you know everything?

Let's see...you bought some manufactured equipment,
put together a basic station, and made a few contacts
using voice modes like SSB and FM. How "revolutionary"
is that?
He did it on HF without a single morse code exam.
Vive le revolucion!
Are you one of the peasants, Len? You act more
like you are one of the arrogant nobility.
Len, nobility? He's merely your peer... your equal.
I can't see how that works, Brian. Len is a guy who became a brand new
radio amateur a few weeks ago.
Len is a guy who holds an Extra license. What class of license do you
hold? ...does Jim hold?

Oh, Len holds a license of the same class.

Indeed. Yet the FCC has no requirement for experience. Len has
gained radio experience via a lifetime of operating in other
services. Weren't you the one who said that amateur experience
allowed you to bypass military comms school?

He's been a radio amateur
for several weeks. He's green. Despite the tenor of some of his posts,
he's a novice in amateur radio. He's just begun.

You're the one who's green - with envy...

Best of Luck

Well, thanks for the kind wishes, Brian. Maybe you'll want to wish Len
some luck in his venture into the world of amateur radio.

Dave K8MN

Sure.

From: on 10 Apr 2007 03:56:54 -0700

Subject: What Revolution?

On Apr 9, 1:05 pm, Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:
On Apr 9, 2:05 am, Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:
On Apr 7, 5:31 pm, wrote:
On Apr 3, 1:34?pm, "AF6AY" wrote:
On Mar 29, 6:24?pm, Dave Heil wrote a typical

Welp, according to Heil, he was able to bypass military comms training
as he held an amateur license. He was DDA.
You continue to misquote me.

I see no quote.

You used the words "according to Heil". I never made such a statement.
You are in error.

Yes I did, but that is no substitute for a quote.

:-) All those outraged morsemen bitching and moaning about
EVIDENCE and EXACT WORDS...so that they will have some trivial
thing to argue over in front of some "judge." :-)


My amateur radio license gave me the
knowledge to pass the Bypassed Specialist exams.

Wrong. False. The knowledge comes before the license, otherwise how
could you have passed the amateur exam?

The Bypassed Specialist exam was not an amateur radio exam.

So how could it be that your amateur radio knowledge was useful in
passing such a non-amateur radio exam?

The mystery of the ages... :-)

One slight omission by "Barrister" Heil: His USAF MOS (Military
Occupation Specialty). Was it ever mentioned by him?

Did Heil operate ANY radio (other than a BC receiver) while "in
a country at war?"

During the Vietanm War only two transceiver types made up the
vast bulk of communications. I've not seen Heil mention either
one of them, despite an eighth of a million of those two types
made and operational.


A number of
individuals here have pointed out that an amateur radio license is only
the beginning.

If the exam is only the beginning, then multiple exams and multiple
license classes are superfluous. A number of individuals here have
pointed that out.

True. One ham = one license should be good enough for a hobby
activity.

But...a long time ago the "amateur community" decided it wanted
(terribly) the RANK-STATUS-PRIVILEGES of multiple classes,
especially the morsemen holding on (with dear life) to their
beloved morse code. The "upper" classes could then look down
(and put down) the "lower" classes in great personal glee.

Now IN the electronics industry (where the rest of the radio
world's equipment - and some amateur gear - is designed and
made), the vast majority of those involved do NOT have amateur
radio licenses! Those involved in everyday work with radio
and electronics found it a fascinating, challenging activity
all by itself. No "ham ticket" was necessary...indeed was a
superfluous thing since amateur radio licenses are NOT needed
for the rest of the radio world.


Passing the exams
allowed me to bypass tech school.

So you really did bypass military comms training? Exactly how did I
"misquote" you?

You misquoted me when you wrote "according to Heil" and follow it with
something I've not stated.

Yet it is what you did.

WE just don't know for sure what Heil actually did unless he
states his USAF MOS, what he worked with "in a country at war."


The Air Force did not provide a pass on
training because I held an amateur radio license. The Air Force allowed
me to skip Tech School because I passed the Bypassed Specialist exam.

Yet in your own words, you were able to pass that exam because of
amateur radio knowledge...

You sure do like to twist things up and smoke them.

:-) I think he tries to be a "Johnnie Cochrane" in some "court"
and winds up sounding more like he drank too much Johnnie Walker.


You're right, Brian. Jim has forty years of amateur radio experience.
Len has a few weeks at best.

I'm sure he'll catsup quick.

He'll have forty years experience in forty years.

Poor Dave has to maintain that edge of superiority.

He has a terrible personal NEED for that "superiority."

He MUST be above all others. The Latin phrase "Primus inter pares"
suits him ("first among equals"), a Latin oxymoron of all things.

Notice he is getting to be more like The Robesin all the time?


Do you think you know more about amateur radio than someone who has
been an active radio amateur for several decades?
What's to know? Please start a list.
You've held a license for at least a couple of decades. Shouldn't you
have an inkling by now?

You're 59...

That's the sum total of knowledge you've acquired since you obtained an
amateur radio license?

What? You don't like standardized replies that allow for 13 second
QSOs?

Heil wants His NOW. Instant gratification of his "superiority."


Right. Are you running for ARRL office as well? Sure sounds like it.
What do you mean "as well?" Do you know someone who is running for an
ARRL elected position?

You've announced a run for the Roanoke Division Directorship.

No, Brian, I have not.

Perhaps it was only wishful typing when you posted your run?

Maybe Heil CHANGED HIS MIND? People are allowed to do that,
change their mind, that is...

Oh! But NOT in amateur radio newsgroups! No, NEVER, according
to Miccolis! Once one says something, regardless of how long
ago, to Miccolis that is a LIFE GOAL Never To Be Changed!


Len is a guy who holds an Extra license. What class of license do you
hold? ...does Jim hold?

Oh, Len holds a license of the same class.

Indeed. Yet the FCC has no requirement for experience. Len has
gained radio experience via a lifetime of operating in other
services. Weren't you the one who said that amateur experience
allowed you to bypass military comms school?

Brian, it only works ONE WAY, Heil's Way.

Sort of like "Heil's Way or the highway." :-)


He's been a radio amateur
for several weeks. He's green.

NO, NO, NO...FACTUAL ERROR BY Heil. I am not green. As a
caucasoid
type human racial type I am various shades of PINK commonly
referred
to as "flesh color." Blue eyes, light brown hair (with a little
grey
here and there).

I recycle recyclable trash every week...although the LA City
Sanitation supplied can is colored BLUE. :-)

My specific amateur radio equipment is "basic BLACK" with white
legends and a little chrome and aluminum trim (Icom - LDG - MFJ -
Heil Sound - chosen colors). It sits on a nice desk (melamine
surfaces) of BROWN. The credit card I used to pay for it is
mostly BLUE with RED and White trim.


Despite the tenor of some of his posts,
he's a novice in amateur radio. He's just begun.

You're the one who's green - with envy...

I'm not a tenor. More of a baritone. I do have "perfect pitch"
as far as the standard chromatic scale of musical notes is
concerned.

There is NO "novice" class for new US amateur radio license
class grants. That ended almost seven years ago.

Neither is there any AGE discrimination in FCC regulations,
age low or high. It was perfectly permissible by law to take
and pass ALL test elements in one test session...which is what
I did on 25 Feb 07. The ARRL VEC accepted that, the FCC
accepted that. Heil and Miccolis still can't "accept" that.

I BEGAN in big-time radio in the US Army in 1953 with my first
posting to an HF transmitter site. That involved not just KW
RF output transmitters but VHF, UHF radios, then microwave radio
relay terminals (late 1954), plus HTs and backpack radio use
common to "line" outfits (infantry-artillery-armor). So my
"beginning" happened 54 years ago, not a "month" ago. The
laws of physics applied equally well to radios in that time
(and to fields and waves) as it does NOW.

Heil and Miccolis really OVERWORK their look-down-their-noses
attitude of "beginners." When someone proves that amateur radios
work with "different" laws of physics than all other radios,
I might consider myself as a "beginner." Until then, the REAL
difference between amateur radio and the rest of radio is just
some man-made adminstrative details...and from the ham bigots
busy with self-righteous, I-am-so-important-because-I-know-code
sneering and insulting of new licensees.

73s, Len AF6AY

AF6AY wrote:
From: on 10 Apr 2007 03:56:54 -0700

Subject: What Revolution?

On Apr 9, 1:05 pm, Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:
On Apr 9, 2:05 am, Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:
On Apr 7, 5:31 pm, wrote:
On Apr 3, 1:34?pm, "AF6AY" wrote:
On Mar 29, 6:24?pm, Dave Heil wrote a typical

Welp, according to Heil, he was able to bypass military comms training
as he held an amateur license. He was DDA.
You continue to misquote me.
I see no quote.
You used the words "according to Heil". I never made such a statement.
You are in error.
Yes I did, but that is no substitute for a quote.

:-) All those outraged morsemen bitching and moaning about
EVIDENCE and EXACT WORDS...so that they will have some trivial
thing to argue over in front of some "judge." :-)

Words and their meanings are important, Len. Hot-ham-and-cheese wrote
"according to Heil..." except that it wasn't according to me at all.
You wrote that you obtained an Extra out of the box, but you keeping
trying to skip over the word "right". You used it when you told us that
you were going for an "Extra right out the box."


One slight omission by "Barrister" Heil:

I've not claimed to be a barrister, Foghorn. I've omitted much about my
time in the Air Force. It seems to drive you crazy.

His USAF MOS (Military
Occupation Specialty). Was it ever mentioned by him?

It can't have been mentioned by me. I'd have pointed out that the Air
Force doesn't use the term "MOS". It uses the term "AFSC" for Air Force
Specialty Code.

Did Heil operate ANY radio (other than a BC receiver) while "in
a country at war?"

I surely did, Len, but not 24/7. I maxed out at ten hours per day, six
days per week.

During the Vietanm War only two transceiver types made up the
vast bulk of communications. I've not seen Heil mention either
one of them, despite an eighth of a million of those two types
made and operational.

I used no low power, tinker toy radio equipment during my time in the
military.

Dave K8MN

From: Dave Heil on Wed, 11 Apr 2007 03:27:14 GMT

Subject: What Revolution?

AF6AY wrote:
From: on 10 Apr 2007 03:56:54 -0700
On Apr 9, 1:05 pm, Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:
On Apr 9, 2:05 am, Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:
On Apr 7, 5:31 pm, wrote:
On Apr 3, 1:34?pm, "AF6AY" wrote:
On Mar 29, 6:24?pm, Dave Heil wrote a typical


Words and their meanings are important, Len. Hot-ham-and-cheese wrote
"according to Heil..." except that it wasn't according to me at all.

Somebody else writes your posts here?

You wrote that you obtained an Extra out of the box, but you keeping
trying to skip over the word "right". You used it when you told us that
you were going for an "Extra right out the box."

Tsk. The phrase "Extra [right] Out Of The Box" is a colloquial
amateur radio one referring to one who takes and passes ALL
test elements in one exam session. It was used BEFORE the
2000 US amateur radio Restructuring.

I've not claimed to be a barrister, Foghorn.

You sure ACT like you were one...complete with the powdered
wig and black robes.

I've omitted much about my time in the Air Force.

You probably SHOULD. You don't want to talk about it, so
you must not have done anything significant.


It can't have been mentioned by me. I'd have pointed out that the Air
Force doesn't use the term "MOS". It uses the term "AFSC" for Air Force
Specialty Code.

You are out of order in this court, counselor. What did you
DO in the USAF? Explain it in words. Don't be EVASIVE by
misdirecting into trivial chewing out about using "wrong"
USAF titles of occupation specialties.

Did Heil operate ANY radio (other than a BC receiver) while "in
a country at war?"

I surely did, Len, but not 24/7. I maxed out at ten hours per day, six
days per week.

Poor baby. Was the service rough on you?

In the US Army all are soldiers...those not on authorized leave
are ON DUTY 24/7.

During the Vietanm War only two transceiver types made up the
vast bulk of communications. I've not seen Heil mention either
one of them, despite an eighth of a million of those two types
made and operational.

I used no low power, tinker toy radio equipment during my time in the
military.

Oh, my, the ELITIST speaks! All of the US military branches
don't consider operational radio communications equipment as
"low power, tinker toy." Certainly not for REAL COMBAT
operations involving real Life and Death situations.

You are being EVASIVE again. You've NOT described what you DID
over 35 years ago "in a country at war." You've NOT described
ANY radio equipment you (supposedly) USED over 35 years ago "in
a country at war."

Tsk, you are coming across as a clone, a carbon copy of the
infamous "Major Dud" Robeson. Like he did, YOU are evasive on
details but very BIG on lofty, general-purpose emotional
phrases. Do you also hold a "commission" in the Civil Air
Patrol?

I can supply very exact DETAILS of what I did for 3 years of
my active-duty US Army assignment, pictures and text. See it at:

http://sujan.hallikainen.org/Broadca...s/My3Years.pdf

Was that "amateur radio" operations? No. It was HF transmitter
operations 24/7 in a direct service for the Far East Command
Headquarters and Army Central Command, Japan. The radio
technology and radio wave propagation was the SAME as was then
used for US amateur radio (with the exception of RF power output
levels being higher than allowed for amateurs). "Boatanchor"
radio equipment afficionados in US amateur radio use the SAME
techniques TODAY. Another exception to amaetur practice is that
messaging was done by teleprinter (now called "data") and morse
code mode was NOT used for all those hundreds of thousands of
messages sent per month. Morse mode just wasn't up to the task.

Not only that but the communications involved operation and
maintenance of VHF, UHF, microwave radio relay equipment as well
as frequency-multiplexed "carrier" equipment for both wired and
radio service. In addition we in the US Army Signal Corps also
had to use standard small-unit radio communications equipment
[PRC-8 family manpack FM transceivers, PRC-6 handheld FM
transceivers] when undergoing Provisional Infantry Platoon
training in addition to our regular Signal Corps occupational
tasks. That was in a country NOT at war (Japan) although the
United States of America was IN a war in Korea 55 years ago.

For the USA, the "Vietnam War" ended in 1973. 1973 was 34
years ago. The Korean War is still not settled and remains
in a curious continuous Truce condition today...US troops
are still stationed in Korea along the Demilitarized Zone.
During your Department of State employ help END that Korean
War? That hasn't been in the news.

I can't take any credit for BIG national-level policy things.
I volunteered, did my duties as assigned, performed honorably
and am proud to have done so. I did my part, yet a number of
you Elitists of Amateur Radio continue to scoff and sneer at
what I and others did in REAL Radio Communications...and then
expect to be treated as some kind of "royalty" or "gurus" of
"decades of experience" in (amateur) radio.

I KNOW what I did and can talk about it in detail. There is
very little of that bound by any US National Security
requirements. Yet, a number of Amateur ELITISTS in here have
been Unable to supply any Details of what they did. They are
remarkably Ambiguous in their most-general non-descriptions,
relying only on emotional catch-phrases of "importance" AS IF
that was DUE to them.

Please continue as a Robeson Clone. He seems to be gone and
his continuing snarling and denigrating has left a big hole
in message content of this newsgroup.

00 [no regards], AF6AY

On Apr 11, 12:27 am, Dave Heil wrote:
AF6AY wrote:

Subject: What Revolution?

His USAF MOS (Military
Occupation Specialty). Was it ever mentioned by him?

It can't have been mentioned by me. I'd have pointed out that the Air
Force doesn't use the term "MOS". It uses the term "AFSC" for Air Force
Specialty Code.

Dave, you appear to be reasonably intelligent, so why do you trip and
fall over such things? "MOS" or Military Occupational Specialty is
the US Army equivalent of the AFSC.

Dave, what was your AFSC?

AF6AY wrote:
From: on 10 Apr 2007 03:56:54 -0700

Subject: What Revolution?

On Apr 9, 1:05 pm, Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:
On Apr 9, 2:05 am, Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:
On Apr 7, 5:31 pm, wrote:
On Apr 3, 1:34?pm, "AF6AY" wrote:
On Mar 29, 6:24?pm, Dave Heil wrote a typical

A number of
individuals here have pointed out that an amateur radio license is only
the beginning.

If the exam is only the beginning, then multiple exams and multiple
license classes are superfluous. A number of individuals here have
pointed that out.

True. One ham = one license should be good enough for a hobby
activity.

I've told you a number of times that the FCC nowhere uses the word
"hobby" in defining or describing amateur radio.

But...a long time ago the "amateur community" decided it wanted
(terribly) the RANK-STATUS-PRIVILEGES of multiple classes,
especially the morsemen holding on (with dear life) to their
beloved morse code. The "upper" classes could then look down
(and put down) the "lower" classes in great personal glee.

That seems to be your version of events and it seems that, despite of
reality, you're sticking to it. You've always had a perceptible
inferiority complex.

Now IN the electronics industry (where the rest of the radio
world's equipment - and some amateur gear - is designed and
made), the vast majority of those involved do NOT have amateur
radio licenses! Those involved in everyday work with radio
and electronics found it a fascinating, challenging activity
all by itself. No "ham ticket" was necessary...indeed was a
superfluous thing since amateur radio licenses are NOT needed
for the rest of the radio world.

If someone wanted to participate in amateur radio, passing an amateur
radio license exam was the only way to gain entry. That is still true
today.


Passing the exams
allowed me to bypass tech school.

So you really did bypass military comms training? Exactly how did I
"misquote" you?

You misquoted me when you wrote "according to Heil" and follow it with
something I've not stated.

Yet it is what you did.

WE just don't know for sure what Heil actually did unless he
states his USAF MOS, what he worked with "in a country at war."

The Air Force does not use that term, Leonard. If you're going to play
Secret Squirrel, at least bone up on the background info.


You're right, Brian. Jim has forty years of amateur radio experience.
Len has a few weeks at best.

I'm sure he'll catsup quick.

He'll have forty years experience in forty years.
Poor Dave has to maintain that edge of superiority.

He has a terrible personal NEED for that "superiority."

Where did you see me writing of myself? You have a terrible personal
case of inferiority.

He MUST be above all others.

JIM has forty years more experience that you. You MUST have seen that.

The Latin phrase "Primus inter pares"
suits him ("first among equals"), a Latin oxymoron of all things.

You aren't Jim's equal in amateur radio or civility. You're a beginner
in one and you have yet to practice the other.

Do you think you know more about amateur radio than someone who has
been an active radio amateur for several decades?

What's to know? Please start a list.

You've held a license for at least a couple of decades. Shouldn't you
have an inkling by now?

You're 59...

That's the sum total of knowledge you've acquired since you obtained an
amateur radio license?

What? You don't like standardized replies that allow for 13 second
QSOs?

Heil wants His NOW. Instant gratification of his "superiority."

*Snicker* Yeah, I've gained instant superiority after only forty-three
years in the game. Stop, Len! You're cracking me up!

Right. Are you running for ARRL office as well? Sure sounds like it.

What do you mean "as well?" Do you know someone who is running for an
ARRL elected position?

You've announced a run for the Roanoke Division Directorship.

No, Brian, I have not.

Perhaps it was only wishful typing when you posted your run?

Maybe Heil CHANGED HIS MIND? People are allowed to do that,
change their mind, that is...

To CHANGE MY MIND, I'd had to have made the statement that
hot-ham-and-cheese attributed to me. His big dilemma is that I didn't
make such a statement. Oh deary me. What will he do now?

Oh! But NOT in amateur radio newsgroups! No, NEVER, according
to Miccolis! Once one says something, regardless of how long
ago, to Miccolis that is a LIFE GOAL Never To Be Changed!

You've been caught with your brogans in your yap on a number of
occasions, "Anderson". A smarter being probably wouldn't bring further
attention to himself by braying about it.

Len is a guy who holds an Extra license. What class of license do you
hold? ...does Jim hold?

Oh, Len holds a license of the same class.

Indeed. Yet the FCC has no requirement for experience. Len has
gained radio experience via a lifetime of operating in other
services. Weren't you the one who said that amateur experience
allowed you to bypass military comms school?

Brian, it only works ONE WAY, Heil's Way.

Sort of like "Heil's Way or the highway." :-)

The Air Force technical schools award one the "3" skill level, an
apprentice level. The Bypassed Specialist is also awarded that same
apprentice level. Further on-the-job training along with bookwork are
the way to the journeyman or "5" level. I completed the same OJT and
study course as every other "5" level candidate. It wasn't my way or
the highway, but the Air Force way.

He's been a radio amateur
for several weeks. He's green.


NO, NO, NO...FACTUAL ERROR BY Heil. I am not green. As a
caucasoid
type human racial type I am various shades of PINK commonly
referred
to as "flesh color."

As a "boot" is to the military, you are to amateur radio. You're
green--a beginner.

Despite the tenor of some of his posts,
he's a novice in amateur radio. He's just begun.


There is NO "novice" class for new US amateur radio license
class grants. That ended almost seven years ago.

Sorry, Len. There was a Novice Class, but no novice class.
I wrote that you're a novice in amateur radio. That is the case.
You're a neophyte, a beginner.

Neither is there any AGE discrimination in FCC regulations,
age low or high. It was perfectly permissible by law to take
and pass ALL test elements in one test session...which is what
I did on 25 Feb 07. The ARRL VEC accepted that, the FCC
accepted that. Heil and Miccolis still can't "accept" that.

I'll let Jim speak for himself on this issue. I fully accept that
you've passed requisite exams currently in place for the Amateur Extra.
You've been issued a license. I couldn't find anything above where I
commented on your age. You now have an amateur radio license. Use it
and gain some experience in amateur radio.

I BEGAN in big-time radio...

snip of irrelevant reruns

Heil and Miccolis really OVERWORK their look-down-their-noses
attitude of "beginners."

I congratulate you on your brand new amateur radio license. Keep your
ears and eyes open and you may learn a great deal.

When someone proves that amateur radios
work with "different" laws of physics than all other radios,
I might consider myself as a "beginner." Until then, the REAL
difference between amateur radio and the rest of radio is just
some man-made adminstrative details...and from the ham bigots
busy with self-righteous, I-am-so-important-because-I-know-code
sneering and insulting of new licensees.

That attitude won't help you in gaining experience in amateur radio.
Amateur radio is not solely concerned with the physics of radio. The
fact is that you are a beginner in amateur radio. You have much to
learn. You aren't an instant expert, Len.

Dave K8MN

On Apr 10, 11:57 pm, Dave Heil wrote:
AF6AY wrote:
From: on 10 Apr 2007 03:56:54 -0700

Subject: What Revolution?

On Apr 9, 1:05 pm, Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:
On Apr 9, 2:05 am, Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:
On Apr 7, 5:31 pm, wrote:
On Apr 3, 1:34?pm, "AF6AY" wrote:
On Mar 29, 6:24?pm, Dave Heil wrote a typical
A number of
individuals here have pointed out that an amateur radio license is only
the beginning.
If the exam is only the beginning, then multiple exams and multiple
license classes are superfluous. A number of individuals here have
pointed that out.

True. One ham = one license should be good enough for a hobby
activity.

I've told you a number of times that the FCC nowhere uses the word
"hobby" in defining or describing amateur radio.
so what?

the ARS is basicaly a hobby or would you care to discuss the service
asspects of the CB service