On Apr 12, 1:59�pm, wrote:
On Apr 12, 2:53 pm, "AF6AY" wrote:
On Apr 12, 3:27?am, wrote:
On Apr 11, 12:27 am, Dave Heil wrote:

Dave, what was your AFSC?

Brian, don't expect an answer...:-)

I'm still trying to get him to answer what he meant by his *reap*
remark. *My meaning was pefectly clear, but he pulled a Robesin, made
a funny about something despicable, now he won't respond.

Typical. :-)

Heil isn't going to tell anyone directly. *He will cloud his
"answer" in generalized, ambiguous terms without being
specific.

Yup.

So far he's holding true to form. :-)

He "knows where he was" but won't say where or what he
was doing there. WE are "supposed" to take "His Word"
for it without yielding anything (WE don't have to be
supplied with detailed answers?).

Any way one slices that it is olde-tyme "snake oil
salesman" BS.


Heil wants to argue for the sake of arguing, always with
the intention of putting down those he perceives are his
newsgroup "enemies."

Yup.

He's still true to form in that department. :-)


I have yet to meet a veteran of military service who does
not recall his unit, where he was, what he did. *I have
also met a few who wish to cloud the issue with non-
specific generalities in order to refuse to admit what their
military jobs were...because they wished to elevate
themselves as doing more than they actually did.

Engaged in seven (7) hostile actions and stolen valor?

A Robeson clone in action! :-)

Second-hand smoke is being outlawed everywhere.

His is old, worn-out obsolete smoke. koff koff

I'd love to watch a shuttle launch.

So would I! One SSME on a test stand is impressive
enough...three plus the SRBs lighting off would be no
less than spectacular!


Welp, Dave won't talk about his directional loops anymore... must have
come down with his tower

Most regretable for him...snif, snif...

73, Len AF6AY

AF6AY wrote:
On Apr 12, 1:59�pm, wrote:

Heil isn't going to tell anyone directly. �He will cloud his
"answer" in generalized, ambiguous terms without being
specific.
Yup.

So far he's holding true to form. :-)

He "knows where he was" but won't say where or what he
was doing there.

You're starting to get it!

WE are "supposed" to take "His Word"
for it without yielding anything...

Take my word for what? What claim have I made?

(WE don't have to be supplied with detailed answers?).

That's correct.

Any way one slices that it is olde-tyme "snake oil
salesman" BS.

If you slice it correctly, it means you don't know much of anything
about my military service. It bugs you.


Dave K8MN

"Dave Heil" wrote in message
. net...
AF6AY wrote:
On Apr 12, 1:59?pm, wrote:

Heil isn't going to tell anyone directly. ?He will cloud his
"answer" in generalized, ambiguous terms without being
specific.
Yup.

So far he's holding true to form. :-)

He "knows where he was" but won't say where or what he
was doing there.

You're starting to get it!

WE are "supposed" to take "His Word"
for it without yielding anything...

Take my word for what? What claim have I made?

(WE don't have to be supplied with detailed answers?).

That's correct.

Any way one slices that it is olde-tyme "snake oil
salesman" BS.

If you slice it correctly, it means you don't know much of anything
about my military service. It bugs you.


Dave K8MN

My curiousity is piqued. Why does Len feel that you how HIM any bits of
history or personal details regarding YOUR military service? You certainly
"owe" him nothing in this regard, and other than Len is issuing some kind of
childish grade-school challenge ("step over this line...I dare ya..") his
queries are pointless babble.
You are correct. It clearly bothers Len that you are mum on this topic, as
well you should be. What will Len next do? Issue another, more serious
challenge and "double dog dare you" to satisfy his perverse curiousity? Keep
him guessing. It gives Len something to further grouse about...as if he
needs same.

Name and callsign not given because of you-know-who.

Dudley wrote:
"Dave Heil" wrote in message
. net...
AF6AY wrote:
On Apr 12, 1:59?pm, wrote:
Heil isn't going to tell anyone directly. ?He will cloud his
"answer" in generalized, ambiguous terms without being
specific.
Yup.
So far he's holding true to form. :-)

He "knows where he was" but won't say where or what he
was doing there.
You're starting to get it!

WE are "supposed" to take "His Word"
for it without yielding anything...
Take my word for what? What claim have I made?

(WE don't have to be supplied with detailed answers?).
That's correct.

Any way one slices that it is olde-tyme "snake oil
salesman" BS.
If you slice it correctly, it means you don't know much of anything
about my military service. It bugs you.


Dave K8MN

My curiousity is piqued. Why does Len feel that you how HIM any bits of
history or personal details regarding YOUR military service?

Len wants me to provide the information so that he can live up to the
terms of the very accurate profile of his actions which N2EY wrote some
years back. It says:

"No matter what job, educational level, employer, or
government/military service that a radio amateur has, if said radio
amateur opposes Mr. Anderson's views, he/she will be the target of Mr.
Anderson's insults, ridicule, name-calling, factual errors,
ethnic/racial/religious slurs, excessive emoticons and/or general
infantile behavior."

--N2EY

Len likes to refer to the profile as character assassination. The
problem with that is that he can be shown to have done all of these
things over and over and over. For it to be character assassination, it
would have to be shown that Len has not engaged in such behavior.

You certainly
"owe" him nothing in this regard, and other than Len is issuing some kind of
childish grade-school challenge ("step over this line...I dare ya..") his
queries are pointless babble.

I think you've summed it up in a nutshell.

You are correct. It clearly bothers Len that you are mum on this topic, as
well you should be. What will Len next do? Issue another, more serious
challenge and "double dog dare you" to satisfy his perverse curiousity? Keep
him guessing. It gives Len something to further grouse about...as if he
needs same.

Len lives up to the N2EY profile of his actions today as he did for all
of those years during which he had no amateur radio license. What he
claims to decry in others, he does himself.

Name and callsign not given because of you-know-who.


Dave K8MN

"Dave Heil" wrote in message
.net...
Dudley wrote:
"Dave Heil" wrote in message
. net...
AF6AY wrote:
On Apr 12, 1:59?pm, wrote:
Heil isn't going to tell anyone directly. ?He will cloud his
"answer" in generalized, ambiguous terms without being
specific.
Yup.
So far he's holding true to form. :-)

He "knows where he was" but won't say where or what he
was doing there.
You're starting to get it!

WE are "supposed" to take "His Word"
for it without yielding anything...
Take my word for what? What claim have I made?

(WE don't have to be supplied with detailed answers?).
That's correct.

Any way one slices that it is olde-tyme "snake oil
salesman" BS.
If you slice it correctly, it means you don't know much of anything
about my military service. It bugs you.


Dave K8MN

My curiousity is piqued. Why does Len feel that you how HIM any bits of
history or personal details regarding YOUR military service?

Len wants me to provide the information so that he can live up to the
terms of the very accurate profile of his actions which N2EY wrote some
years back. It says:

"No matter what job, educational level, employer, or
government/military service that a radio amateur has, if said radio
amateur opposes Mr. Anderson's views, he/she will be the target of Mr.
Anderson's insults, ridicule, name-calling, factual errors,
ethnic/racial/religious slurs, excessive emoticons and/or general
infantile behavior."

--N2EY

Len likes to refer to the profile as character assassination. The
problem with that is that he can be shown to have done all of these
things over and over and over. For it to be character assassination, it
would have to be shown that Len has not engaged in such behavior.

You certainly
"owe" him nothing in this regard, and other than Len is issuing some
kind of
childish grade-school challenge ("step over this line...I dare ya..")
his
queries are pointless babble.

I think you've summed it up in a nutshell.

You are correct. It clearly bothers Len that you are mum on this topic,
as
well you should be. What will Len next do? Issue another, more serious
challenge and "double dog dare you" to satisfy his perverse curiousity?
Keep
him guessing. It gives Len something to further grouse about...as if he
needs same.

Len lives up to the N2EY profile of his actions today as he did for all
of those years during which he had no amateur radio license. What he
claims to decry in others, he does himself.

Name and callsign not given because of you-know-who.


Dave K8MN

Allow me the luxury of but a comment or two, then I shall no longer lend any
further credibility to Len by discussing this.
I've noted that Len takes, as I said, a childish, perverted pleasure in
playing word games while smiling to himself and needling others, yourself
especially. He should be left ignored. Len is apparently self-absorbed and,
as noted, becomes somewhat disgruntled when his diatribes go unanswered.
Len desires attention...nay...NEEDS attention as evidenced by his lengthy
posts. To ignore Len is to insult Len. He needs you far more than you need
him.
I look at Len with a sidewards, understanding glance. His comments are
bolstered by but a few in these groups and if his supporters, such as the
Myna Bird are any indication of his standing...well, that pretty much sums
it up.

73

On Apr 14, 3:36�am, "Dudley" anon@anon wrote:
"Dave Heil" wrote in message
.net...

Dudley wrote:
"Dave Heil" wrote in message
.net...
AF6AY wrote:
On Apr 12, 1:59?pm, wrote:
Heil isn't going to tell anyone directly.
He will cloud his
"answer" in generalized, ambiguous terms without being
specific.
Yup.
So far he's holding true to form. *:-)

Actually, K8MN *will* tell people directly. He just
won't tell Len what Len demands to know.

He "knows where he was" but won't say where or what he
was doing there.

Sure he will.

He just won't tell Len.

You're starting to get it!

WE are "supposed" to take "His Word"
for it without yielding anything...
Take my word for what? *What claim have I made?

(WE don't have to be supplied with detailed answers?).
That's correct.

Note the use of the papal/royal "WE" by Len.

And the use of K8MN's last name, rather than
callsign or first name.

Any way one slices that it is olde-tyme "snake oil
salesman" BS.
If you slice it correctly, it means you don't know much of anything
about my military service. *It bugs you.

Len appears to presume that anyone who has
done something honorable will tell all about it in
a public forum like this. He also appears to presume
that failure to do so means the person has something
to hide.

In my experience, both those presumptions are
simply incorrect as general rules. Often a person
who has done something honorable does not feel
the need to blab it all over the place.

There is also the fact that if someone is on Len's
enemies list, what they have done makes no
difference in how Len will treat them. He will use
his attack techniques on them regardless of, say,
their actual military/combat experience.

This has been demonstrated so many times that
anyone with sense whom Len considers an "enemy" doesn't bother to tell
Len anything about their life
experience.

My curiousity is piqued. Why does Len feel that you how HIM any bits of
history or personal details regarding YOUR military service?

Len wants me to provide the information so that he can live up to the
terms of the very accurate profile of his actions which N2EY wrote some
years back. *It says:

"No matter what job, educational level, employer, or
government/military service that a radio amateur has, if said radio
amateur opposes Mr. Anderson's views, he/she will be the target of Mr.
Anderson's insults, ridicule, name-calling, factual errors,
ethnic/racial/religious slurs, excessive emoticons and/or general
infantile behavior."

* * * * * * * * * * * * --N2EY

Yep. But that's an old version of the profile, which has been refined
and updated over the years.

Here's the latest version, straight from the author:

"No matter what employment, education, life
experience or government/military service someone
has, if that person disagrees with any of Len's views,
or corrects any of Len's mistakes, s/he will be the
target of Len's insults, ridicule, name-calling, factual
errors, ethnic/gender/racial slurs, excessive
emoticons, orders to shut up and/or general
infantile behavior."

Sums it all up in one long but accurate sentence.

Len likes to refer to the profile as character assassination. *The
problem with that is that he can be shown to have done all of these
things over and over and over. *For it to be character assassination, it
would have to be shown that Len has not engaged in such behavior.

Exactly.

You certainly
"owe" him nothing in this regard, and other than Len is issuing some
kind of
childish grade-school challenge ("step over this line...I dare ya..")
his
queries are pointless babble.

I think you've summed it up in a nutshell.

You are correct. It clearly bothers Len that you are mum on this topic,
as
well you should be. What will Len next do? Issue another, more serious
challenge and "double dog dare you" to satisfy his perverse curiousity?

That's one possibility. Another is to accuse the
person of having something to hide, being ashamed,
or outright lying.

Keep
him guessing. It gives Len something to further grouse about...as if he
needs same.

Len lives up to the N2EY profile of his actions today as he did for all
of those years during which he had no amateur radio license. *What he
claims to decry in others, he does himself.

That's what the shrinks call "projection". Len also
exhibits classic textbook "transference" behavior,
where he attributes to one person the actions of
someone completely different.

Then there's the inclusion of obviously intentional
mistakes in Len's posts, as a way of getting attention
from those who correct those mistakes. That one
presents a bit of a moral dilemma, because to leave
the mistakes uncorrected may cause some to be
deceived by them.

IMHO, it's all about Len somehow "proving" he is
better than anyone who disagrees with him.

Name and callsign not given because of you-know-who.

Lord Voldemort?

Allow me the luxury of but a comment or two, then I shall no longer lend any
further credibility to Len by discussing this.
I've noted that Len takes, as I said, a childish, perverted pleasure in
playing word games while smiling to himself and needling others, yourself
especially. He should be left ignored.

Agreed. In the end, most people do just that. KH6HZ
was probably the first, almost a decade ago.

Len is apparently self-absorbed and,
as noted, becomes somewhat disgruntled when his diatribes go unanswered.
Len desires attention...nay...NEEDS attention as evidenced by his lengthy
posts. To ignore Len is to insult Len. He needs you far more than you need
him.

Compare the number, length and tone of Len's posts
(under a variety of screen names) and the truth
of your statements becomes apparent.

I look at Len with a sidewards, understanding glance. His comments are
bolstered by but a few in these groups and if his supporters, such as the
Myna Bird are any indication of his standing...well, that pretty much sums
it up.

I'm not sure who "Myna Bird" is, but I think you are
on target.

73 de Jim, N2EY

....going back to just-reading mode....

wrote:

KH6HZ was probably the first, almost a decade ago.

For the most part. Every now and then I like to needle Grandpa a little,
though.

I look at it as sort of holding a mirror under his nose to make sure he's
still breathing. Can't be too sure at his age, after all.

73
kh6hz

wrote:
On Apr 14, 3:36�am, "Dudley" anon@anon wrote:
"Dave Heil" wrote in message
.net...

Dudley wrote:
"Dave Heil" wrote in message
. net...
AF6AY wrote:
On Apr 12, 1:59?pm, wrote:
Heil isn't going to tell anyone directly.
He will cloud his
"answer" in generalized, ambiguous terms without being
specific.
Yup.
So far he's holding true to form. �:-)

Actually, K8MN *will* tell people directly. He just
won't tell Len what Len demands to know.

You had no trouble figuring it out. Len doesn't get it despite being
told several times.

Dave K8MN

wrote:
On Apr 14, 3:36�am, "Dudley" anon@anon wrote:
"Dave Heil" wrote in message
.net...

Dudley wrote:
"Dave Heil" wrote in message
. net...
AF6AY wrote:
On Apr 12, 1:59?pm, wrote:

Any way one slices that it is olde-tyme "snake oil
salesman" BS.
If you slice it correctly, it means you don't know much of anything
about my military service. �It bugs you.

Len appears to presume that anyone who has
done something honorable will tell all about it in
a public forum like this. He also appears to presume
that failure to do so means the person has something
to hide.

Then again, if someone who has done something honorable does tell about
it in this forum, Len will belittle him or call him a liar.

In my experience, both those presumptions are
simply incorrect as general rules. Often a person
who has done something honorable does not feel
the need to blab it all over the place.

....or at very least, does not feel compelled to document it by providing
Len Anderson scans of orders, documents or photographs.

There is also the fact that if someone is on Len's
enemies list, what they have done makes no
difference in how Len will treat them. He will use
his attack techniques on them regardless of, say,
their actual military/combat experience.

Precisely!

This has been demonstrated so many times that
anyone with sense whom Len considers an "enemy" doesn't bother to tell
Len anything about their life
experience.

Woe betide any man whose experience in any area exceeds that of Leonard
Anderson.

My curiousity is piqued. Why does Len feel that you how HIM any bits of
history or personal details regarding YOUR military service?
Len wants me to provide the information so that he can live up to the
terms of the very accurate profile of his actions which N2EY wrote some
years back. �It says:
"No matter what job, educational level, employer, or
government/military service that a radio amateur has, if said radio
amateur opposes Mr. Anderson's views, he/she will be the target of Mr.
Anderson's insults, ridicule, name-calling, factual errors,
ethnic/racial/religious slurs, excessive emoticons and/or general
infantile behavior."
� � � � � � � � � � � � --N2EY

Yep. But that's an old version of the profile, which has been refined
and updated over the years.

Here's the latest version, straight from the author:

"No matter what employment, education, life
experience or government/military service someone
has, if that person disagrees with any of Len's views,
or corrects any of Len's mistakes, s/he will be the
target of Len's insults, ridicule, name-calling, factual
errors, ethnic/gender/racial slurs, excessive
emoticons, orders to shut up and/or general
infantile behavior."

Sums it all up in one long but accurate sentence.

I keep forgetting about the newer version. I'll save it for future use.


You are correct. It clearly bothers Len that you are mum on this topic,
as
well you should be. What will Len next do? Issue another, more serious
challenge and "double dog dare you" to satisfy his perverse curiousity?

That's one possibility. Another is to accuse the
person of having something to hide, being ashamed,
or outright lying.

Len, with an amateur radio license, acts no differently than Len without
an amateur radio license.

Keep
him guessing. It gives Len something to further grouse about...as if he
needs same.

Len lives up to the N2EY profile of his actions today as he did for all
of those years during which he had no amateur radio license. �What he
claims to decry in others, he does himself.

That's what the shrinks call "projection". Len also
exhibits classic textbook "transference" behavior,
where he attributes to one person the actions of
someone completely different.

....and not just one time. He has done so over and over and over.

Then there's the inclusion of obviously intentional
mistakes in Len's posts, as a way of getting attention
from those who correct those mistakes. That one
presents a bit of a moral dilemma, because to leave
the mistakes uncorrected may cause some to be
deceived by them.

IMHO, it's all about Len somehow "proving" he is
better than anyone who disagrees with him.

Right. Len's inferiority complex crops up frequently. He certainly
doesn't like having it pointed out that he is a beginner in something or
that he has less experience than another. He has difficulties with
anything he perceives to be rank, class or status, but he's the first
guy to do a "look what *I've* done."


Allow me the luxury of but a comment or two, then I shall no longer lend any
further credibility to Len by discussing this.
I've noted that Len takes, as I said, a childish, perverted pleasure in
playing word games while smiling to himself and needling others, yourself
especially. He should be left ignored.

Agreed. In the end, most people do just that. KH6HZ
was probably the first, almost a decade ago.

Len is apparently self-absorbed and,
as noted, becomes somewhat disgruntled when his diatribes go unanswered.
Len desires attention...nay...NEEDS attention as evidenced by his lengthy
posts. To ignore Len is to insult Len. He needs you far more than you need
him.

Compare the number, length and tone of Len's posts
(under a variety of screen names) and the truth
of your statements becomes apparent.

There are times when I'd swear that he sees himself as a short story
writer, getting paid by the word.

I look at Len with a sidewards, understanding glance. His comments are
bolstered by but a few in these groups and if his supporters, such as the
Myna Bird are any indication of his standing...well, that pretty much sums
it up.

I'm not sure who "Myna Bird" is, but I think you are
on target.

Indded...er indedd...um...indeed!

Dave K8MN

On Apr 14, 2:16 pm, wrote:

Then there's the inclusion of obviously intentional
mistakes in Len's posts, as a way of getting attention
from those who correct those mistakes. That one
presents a bit of a moral dilemma, because to leave
the mistakes uncorrected may cause some to be
deceived by them.

The mistake is used to bait those who have an unreasonable need to
correct others. Miccolis, Heil and Robesin fit that profile.