On Apr 17, 8:14 pm, wrote:
On Apr 14, 8:15?pm, Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:
On Apr 14, 3:36?am, "Dudley" anon@anon wrote:
"Dave Heil" wrote in message
nk.net...
Dudley wrote:
"Dave Heil" wrote in message
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AF6AY wrote:
On Apr 12, 1:59?pm, wrote:
Any way one slices that it is olde-tyme "snake oil
salesman" BS.
If you slice it correctly, it means you don't know much of anything
about my military service. ?It bugs you.

Len appears to presume that anyone who has
done something honorable will tell all about it in
a public forum like this. He also appears to presume
that failure to do so means the person has something
to hide.

Then again, if someone who has done something
honorable does tell about
it in this forum, Len will belittle him or call him a liar.

Only if that person expresses disagreement with any
of Len's statements.

I've often disagreed with Len, yet we don't seem to have the problems
that you describe. Perhaps you're a little thin-skinned.

In my experience, both those presumptions are
simply incorrect as general rules. Often a person
who has done something honorable does not feel
the need to blab it all over the place.

...or at very least, does not feel compelled to document it by providing
Len Anderson scans of orders, documents or photographs.

Only if that person expresses disagreement with any
of Len's statements.

I've often disagreed with Len, yet we don't seem to have the problems
that you describe. Perhaps you're a little thin-skinned.

There is also the fact that if someone is on Len's
enemies list, what they have done makes no
difference in how Len will treat them.

Sure it does. For example, if someone is always correcting others,
even when wearing the "cloak of well-meaningness," Len is not deceived
and responds appropriately.

He will use
his attack techniques on them regardless of, say,
their actual military/combat experience.

Precisely!

So there's no point in giving any information.

So if by military service an asshole were to be given a pass, what
would you say about that?

On the other hand, why would some panty-waist claim that they've
served in other ways?

This has been demonstrated so many times that
anyone with sense whom Len considers an "enemy" doesn't bother to tell
Len anything about their life
experience.

Woe betide any man whose experience in any area
exceeds that of Leonard Anderson.

Only if that person expresses disagreement with any
of Len's statements.

Len and I have had disagreements, Len has no professional experience
in meteorology, yet we don't seem to have the problems that you two
seem to have. Perhaps the both of you have thin skins...

I can think of many areas where my experience
exceeds that of Len Anderson.

I can't.

Most of those areas
have nothing to do with Morse Code or amateur radio.

Kindly list them.

My curiousity is piqued. Why does Len feel that you how HIM any bits of
history or personal details regarding YOUR military service?
Len wants me to provide the information so that he can live up to the
terms of the very accurate profile of his actions which N2EY wrote some
years back. ?It says:
"No matter what job, educational level, employer, or
government/military service that a radio amateur has, if said radio
amateur opposes Mr. Anderson's views, he/she will be the target of Mr.
Anderson's insults, ridicule, name-calling, factual errors,
ethnic/racial/religious slurs, excessive emoticons and/or general
infantile behavior."
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? --N2EY

Yep. But that's an old version of the profile, which has been refined
and updated over the years.

Here's the latest version, straight from the author:

"No matter what employment, education, life
experience or government/military service someone
has, if that person disagrees with any of Len's views,
or corrects any of Len's mistakes, s/he will be the
target of Len's insults, ridicule, name-calling, factual
errors, ethnic/gender/racial slurs, excessive
emoticons, orders to shut up and/or general
infantile behavior."

Sums it all up in one long but accurate sentence.

I keep forgetting about the newer version. ?I'll save it for future use.

Think of it as a living document, like the Constitution. Refined
and revised, but essentially the same over time.

Hardly.

You are correct. It clearly bothers Len that you are mum on this topic,
as
well you should be. What will Len next do? Issue another, more serious
challenge and "double dog dare you" to satisfy his perverse curiousity?

That's one possibility. Another is to accuse the
person of having something to hide, being ashamed,
or outright lying.

Len, with an amateur radio license, acts no differently
than Len without
an amateur radio license.

Here on rrap, at least.

We do not know how he behaves away from Usenet.

Why not try coaxing him on the air during a thunderstorm like you did
Cecil???

Which reminds me that I have had QSOs on the amateur
bands with at least 10 hams who have also posted to RRAP.
Len, otoh....

Len would be wise to steer away from you two.

Keep
him guessing. It gives Len something to further grouse about...as if he
needs same.
Len lives up to the N2EY profile of his actions today as he did for all
of those years during which he had no amateur radio license. What he
claims to decry in others, he does himself.

That's what the shrinks call "projection". Len also
exhibits classic textbook "transference" behavior,
where he attributes to one person the actions of
someone completely different.

...and not just one time. ?He has done so over and over and over.

A clear and consistent pattern over time.

At least when Len gets his point across, there's no fake cloak of well-
meaningness. That's a far more honorable way of conducting oneself
than your example.

Then there's the inclusion of obviously intentional
mistakes in Len's posts, as a way of getting attention
from those who correct those mistakes. That one
presents a bit of a moral dilemma, because to leave
the mistakes uncorrected may cause some to be
deceived by them.
IMHO, it's all about Len somehow "proving" he is
better than anyone who disagrees with him.

Right. ?Len's inferiority complex crops up frequently. ?He certainly
doesn't like having it pointed out that he is a beginner in something or
that he has less experience than another. ?

Yet there is no shame in being a beginner, novice, neophyte,
greenhorn, tyro, wet-behind-the-ears newcomer. But for some
reason Len takes offense at those words.

Then why do you try so hard to make it so?

He has difficulties with
anything he perceives to be rank, class or status, but he's the first
guy to do a "look what *I've* done."

You don't see the pattern, Dave?

Len is all about rank, class and status - as long as the system
used puts *him* at the top of the list.

"Look what I've done" is a little different than "Look at what tests
I've passed."

So, Jim, what have you done? In what ways and areas are you more
knowledgeable than Len? Kindly make a list.

Allow me the luxury of but a comment or two, then I shall no longer lend any
further credibility to Len by discussing this.
I've noted that Len takes, as I said, a childish, perverted pleasure in
playing word games while smiling to himself and needling others, yourself
especially. He should be left ignored.

Agreed. In the end, most people do just that. KH6HZ
was probably the first, almost a decade ago.

Len is apparently self-absorbed and,
as noted, becomes somewhat disgruntled when his diatribes go unanswered.
Len desires attention...nay...NEEDS attention as evidenced by his lengthy
posts. To ignore Len is to insult Len. He needs you far more than you need
him.

Compare the number, length and tone of Len's posts
(under a variety of screen names) and the truth
of your statements becomes apparent.

There are times when I'd swear that he sees himself as a short story
writer, getting paid by the word.

A PROFESSIONAL short story writer...

All of the stories in "Ham Radio" magazine are short. Kindly list
your published works...

I look at Len with a sidewards, understanding glance. His comments are
bolstered by but a few in these groups and if his supporters, such as the
Myna Bird are any indication of his standing...well, that pretty much sums
it up.

I'm not sure who "Myna Bird" is, but I think you are
on target.

Indded...er indedd...um...indeed!

Something like that. When did it become unreasonable to
expect proper spelling, grammar, capitalization and punctuation?

Seems to me that something worth doing is worth doing right.

73 de Jim, N2EY

Heil once said that a person who cannot spell correctly couldn't
lead. Shortly thereafter he made a spelling error which I pointed out
to him.

Now he's running for an ARRL office...

Seems to me that a person should at least adhere to their own
convictions.

From: on 17 Apr 2007 18:10:22 -0700

Subject: What Revolution?

On Apr 17, 8:14 pm, wrote:
On Apr 14, 8:15?pm, Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:
On Apr 14, 3:36?am, "Dudley" doodoo@wrong wrote:


Len appears to presume that anyone who has
done something honorable will tell all about it in
a public forum like this. He also appears to presume
that failure to do so means the person has something
to hide.
Then again, if someone who has done something
honorable does tell about
it in this forum, Len will belittle him or call him a liar.

Only if that person expresses disagreement with any
of Len's statements.

I've often disagreed with Len, yet we don't seem to have the problems
that you describe. Perhaps you're a little thin-skinned.

A LOT thin-skinned. :-)


I've often disagreed with Len, yet we don't seem to have the problems
that you describe. Perhaps you're a little thin-skinned.

Jimmie Noserve has a personality conflict with me because
I am an "atheist" to the religion of morse...or perhaps
I allow myself to change my mind like other human beings.

There is also the fact that if someone is on Len's
enemies list, what they have done makes no
difference in how Len will treat them.

Sure it does. For example, if someone is always correcting others,
even when wearing the "cloak of well-meaningness," Len is not deceived
and responds appropriately.

Brian, these creatures just aren't acquainted with the Nature
of the computer-modem beast. They are new to the jungle and
resent not being accepted as a Tarzan. :-)

They be Cheetah. Ook, ook.

He will use
his attack techniques on them regardless of, say,
their actual military/combat experience.

Precisely!

So there's no point in giving any information.

So if by military service an asshole were to be given a pass, what
would you say about that?

Jimmie Noserve knows not about "assholes" nor military service.
He's never served. He might have gone to a lot of movies and
seen war films, though...

On the other hand, why would some panty-waist claim that they've
served in other ways?

Good question!


Only if that person expresses disagreement with any
of Len's statements.

Len and I have had disagreements, Len has no professional experience
in meteorology, yet we don't seem to have the problems that you two
seem to have. Perhaps the both of you have thin skins...

I'd say NO skin. All hyper-sensitive nerve endings. :-)


I can think of many areas where my experience
exceeds that of Len Anderson.

I can't.

I can. Morsemanship.

Jimmie REALLY did his thing on that, "serving the nation in
other ways."


Most of those areas
have nothing to do with Morse Code or amateur radio.

Kindly list them.

Brian, don't hold your breath waiting for an answer on THAT! :-)



Think of it as a living document, like the Constitution. Refined
and revised, but essentially the same over time.

Hardly.

Indeed! Jimmie Noserve must have "served his own constitution"
by making up "profiles."

Maybe he swore under oath to serve the "constitution" of his
fantasy world?



We do not know how he behaves away from Usenet.

Why not try coaxing him on the air during a thunderstorm like you did
Cecil???

Well...not many thunderstorms happen here in southern
California.

Why does Jimmie think I'd be using OOK CW? :-)


Which reminds me that I have had QSOs on the amateur
bands with at least 10 hams who have also posted to RRAP.
Len, otoh....

Len would be wise to steer away from you two.

Er, I've never traveled steerage. Never herded any steers.

I've steered automobiles successfully for 56 years...even
in eastern Pennsylvania! :-)


At least when Len gets his point across, there's no fake cloak of well-
meaningness. That's a far more honorable way of conducting oneself
than your example.

Tsk, I never went to a parochial school. From what I've heard
about them, I wouldn't want to be "taught" by Sister Nun of
the Above, either. :-)


Yet there is no shame in being a beginner, novice, neophyte,
greenhorn, tyro, wet-behind-the-ears newcomer. But for some
reason Len takes offense at those words.

Then why do you try so hard to make it so?

Jimmie must think that "amateur radio" operates ENTIRELY
DIFFERENT and with DIFFERENT LAWS OF PHYSICS than all
other radio. Perhaps he also thinks that "amateur radio"
procedures and protocol are SO COMPLEX AND DIFFERENT than
all other radio services?

Now, if he has bought into that fantasy, then, of course,
he would be "right" in laying into "newbies" about them
being "beginners, novices, neophytes, greenhorns, tyros,
wet-behind-the-ears newcomers!" Jimmie loves the fantasy
role-playing of being a ruff and tuff dill sergeant "chewing
out recruits" and "putting them in their place!" :-)

Trouble is, ALL radios work by the SAME laws of physics.
Each radio service has its OWN jargon and procedures.
Jimmie not know this, never having any experience with
anything BUT amateur radio.

Jimmie have experience IN military radio? Absolutely not.
Jimmie have experience IN broadcasting service? He hasn't
admitted it. [has he had experiences with broads? we
don't know that, either]
Jimmie have experience IN aviation radio services, either
on the ground or in the air? He hasn't said so.
Jimmie have experience IN maritime radio services? He
no say that either.
Jimmie have experience IN Private Land Mobile Radio Service?
No, Jimmie not say that.
Jimmie have experience IN radio working with Department of
Defense contracts? Jimmie not admit that.
Jimmie ever use a CB? :-) Probably not, no place to plug
in a code key on those.
Jimmie ever use an FRS HT? He no say.
Jimmie ever use an amateur radio above 30 MHz? He no say
dat (not much Morse up there, some but sparse)
Jimmie ever use a cordless or cell phone? He no say dat.
Jimmie ever use a "keyless entry" transmitter to lock or
unlock his car? Does Jimmie own a car?

Tsk, I've done all the above, all legally. Over the last 55
years. Sometimes using voice, sometimes using data, sometimes
using modulation that isn't allocated or allowed by the FCC
for radio amateurs. No sweat. It's all RADIO of one form or
another.

Ah, but in Jimmieworld, amateur radio is SO DIFFERENT, SO
COMPLEX that one MUST go "through the ranks" from raw,
"duh" level recruit to apprentice, then progress to
journeyman level. Only after YEARS of dilligent hard work
can anyone begin to approach the majesty of his Master
level (naturally by morsemanship).

Jimmie once write that amateur extra is too complex to
reach for me. Poor baby. I took and passed all required
US amateur radio tests to reach Amateur Extra in one test
session. Jimmie very ****ed I do that. I not ask his
majesty's permission first. Tsk, tsk, I so bad...

Jimmie get ****ed I can pay for Icom 746Pro on credit card
without time payment. Poor baby. I work long time to earn
money, put away in accounts, earn interest. I spend and
Jimmie get angry...he no got money put away?



Len is all about rank, class and status - as long as the system
used puts *him* at the top of the list.

"Look what I've done" is a little different than "Look at what tests
I've passed."

Jimmie earn BS and MS degrees at college long time ago.
He be very smart, he say. Jimmie not say how smarts
allow him do things at work or even what work is.


So, Jim, what have you done? In what ways and areas are you more
knowledgeable than Len? Kindly make a list.

Jimmie have MS. That better than BS he speak about Morse.

Jimmie be code-tested Amateur Extra. Very smart, very big on
amateur knowledge, "renowned amateur historian" self-description
for ham history knowledge cribbed from League sources.

I not smart enough for Jimmie's crowd. Not know fast OOK CW,
never do it. Bad, bad, wrong attitude for olde-tyme hamateur
radio, not appreciate Jimmie pioneering radio airwaves while
helping Reggie Fessenden back in ought-six.


There are times when I'd swear that he sees himself as a short story
writer, getting paid by the word.

A PROFESSIONAL short story writer...

All of the stories in "Ham Radio" magazine are short. Kindly list
your published works...

I have sold *NO* fiction to Ham Radio magzine. None to Byte,
none to Microcomputing, none to Call-A.P.P.L.E., none to
ELECTROMICS magazine (that was). All FACT, all articles that
had information that could be duplicated by others, all
compensated by monies duly reported to IRS.

I've sold some fiction to non-electronic, non-radio, non-
computer interest magazines. That doesn't include the fantasy-
oriented radio amateurs in here. :-)



Seems to me that something worth doing is worth doing right.

Heil once said that a person who cannot spell correctly couldn't
lead. Shortly thereafter he made a spelling error which I pointed out
to him.

Now he's running for an ARRL office...

I think that's good. It's a long distance from West Virginia
to Newington, CT. The exercise will help him lose his excess
baggage. Maybe Jimmie can run alongside him and help him
along? :-)


Seems to me that a person should at least adhere to their own
convictions.

Well, I've never been arrested, much less convicted of anything.

I've been TO a couple jails but never locked up in one. :-)

I once squeezed out too much crazy glue and it adhered to three
fingers.

I made a statement seven years ago and Jimmie thought that I'd
made an Oath for Life! Bad me. I thought some folks could take
a turn-of-phrase correctly but Jimmie be a hidebound conservative
Literalist and doesn't EVER accept that folks can change their
minds!

Am I having fun yet? *NOT* in here! :-)

73, Len AF6AY

AF6AY wrote:

[A whole buncha stuff]
...
73, Len AF6AY



When you get tired, plonk 'em, you will find the group much more logical
and enjoyable ... Len, our time is growing shorter each and every day
which passes, take care how you spend it 8-)

Regards,
JS

On Apr 18, 2:51�pm, John Smith I wrote:
AF6AY wrote:

* [A whole buncha stuff]
* ...

* *73, Len *AF6AY

When you get tired, plonk 'em, you will find the group much more logical
and enjoyable ... Len, our time is growing shorter each and every day
which passes, take care how you spend it 8-)

Whut yu mean, Kimosabe..."our time is growing shorter each
and every day...?" :-)

White man speak with forked-up tongue.

I been busy with other things...like nailing down paint to keep
the high winds from blowing it away. :-)

Not to mention a couple of dingbats who tried to ram through
a couple of "petitions" at the very last minute on Docket
05-235. Idiot morseaholics can't take a Report & Order
without coming unglued, kicking and screaming and crying
to DO IT ALL OVER (their way). Jay-suss, Kimosabe,
this need more than one silver bullet, it need ammo box!

72+1, Len AF6AY

AF6AY wrote:

...
Whut yu mean, Kimosabe..."our time is growing shorter each
and every day...?" :-)

White man speak with forked-up tongue.

I been busy with other things...like nailing down paint to keep
the high winds from blowing it away. :-)

Not to mention a couple of dingbats who tried to ram through
a couple of "petitions" at the very last minute on Docket
05-235. Idiot morseaholics can't take a Report & Order
without coming unglued, kicking and screaming and crying
to DO IT ALL OVER (their way). Jay-suss, Kimosabe,
this need more than one silver bullet, it need ammo box!

72+1, Len AF6AY


Len:

Well, I hate to break this to 'ya. But it'll get worse.

Some days you'll find yourself wishing your 10 meter rig would cover the
chicken bands! 10-fer gud buddy!

Regards,
JS

On Apr 18, 5:38�pm, John Smith I wrote:
AF6AY wrote:
...
* *Whut yu mean, Kimosabe..."our time is growing shorter each
* *and every day...?" *:-)

* *White man speak with forked-up tongue.

* *I been busy with other things...like nailing down paint to keep
* *the high winds from blowing it away. *:-)

* *Not to mention a couple of dingbats who tried to ram through
* *a couple of "petitions" at the very last minute on Docket
* *05-235. * Idiot morseaholics can't take a Report & Order
* *without coming unglued, kicking and screaming and crying
* *to DO IT ALL OVER (their way). *Jay-suss, Kimosabe,
* *this need more than one silver bullet, it need ammo box!

* *72+1, Len *AF6AY

Len:

Well, I hate to break this to 'ya. *But it'll get worse.

Some days you'll find yourself wishing your 10 meter rig would cover the
chicken bands! *10-fer gud buddy!

No strain, JS, already have two CB transceivers. Old and dusty
but they work! :-)

The IC-746Pro won't transmit on "11m" due to clever little
program stuff in its innards. :-)

"Gettem up, Scout..."

71+2, Len AF6AY