(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message m...
Only a radio specifically designed for FRS applications may be
used license free. Any other radio is GMRS and must be licensed.

Bull****.

There are MANY FRS/GMRS hybrids on sale at Wal-Mart, K-Mart, etc. You
CAN use them on the FRS freqs without a license.

You could use them on the GMRS repeater output freqs (and a very few
of the hybrids are even repeater-capable), but they are not very
useful on those frequencies in most environments... so don't bother
using them on those freqs, and don't bother licensing them.

The GMRS capability on the integral-antenna GMRS-FRS hybrids is
bascially a marketing gimmick, created so that the radio manufacturers
can claim "5 MILE RANGE!", and claim "22 FREQUENCIES"!

- Stewart
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MURS-OPEN

On 28 Jun 2003 15:54:55 -0700, stewart wrote:

(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message m...
Only a radio specifically designed for FRS applications may be
used license free. Any other radio is GMRS and must be licensed.

Bull****.

Yes,. "stewart", the rest of your diatribe sure is.

There are MANY FRS/GMRS hybrids on sale at Wal-Mart, K-Mart, etc.

That is true,

You CAN use them on the FRS freqs without a license.

That is not true.

Go and learn a little FCC law in the area of FRS and type
certification and then come back and talk to the folks who do
understand the law.

--
73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
A real communications lawyer who deals
in these interpretations for a living

On Wed, 25 Jun 2003, AMHAM73 wrote:
The FCC page at URL:
http://wireless.fcc.gov/services/personal/family/
Will answer your questions
Better to get it from the Horse's mouth rather than any guesses you may
receive.

Although you "actually have no plan to use the GMRS channels at all". Why
not get the license and make full use of your radio ??? Comes the day you
may want or need it.

....Maybe he doesn't want to pay $75 every 5 years....

On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 01:16:02 GMT, D. Stussy wrote:

Although you "actually have no plan to use the GMRS channels at all". Why
not get the license and make full use of your radio ??? Comes the day you
may want or need it.

....Maybe he doesn't want to pay $75 every 5 years....

The cost of a large soda at a fast-food place or a 2-liter bottle at
the supermarket once a month......

I was surprised how much spare change I had in my pocket when I
stopped buying my daily yoghurt or ice cream a while ago. And my
waistline appreciated it, too.....

--
73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane

On Fri, 27 Jun 2003, Phil Kane wrote:
On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 01:16:02 GMT, D. Stussy wrote:
Although you "actually have no plan to use the GMRS channels at all". Why
not get the license and make full use of your radio ??? Comes the day you
may want or need it.

....Maybe he doesn't want to pay $75 every 5 years....

The cost of a large soda at a fast-food place or a 2-liter bottle at
the supermarket once a month......

I was surprised how much spare change I had in my pocket when I
stopped buying my daily yoghurt or ice cream a while ago. And my
waistline appreciated it, too.....

But the FCC wants it all at once, not amortized over time.

On Sat, 28 Jun 2003 08:53:57 GMT, D. Stussy wrote:

The cost of a large soda at a fast-food place or a 2-liter bottle at
the supermarket once a month......

I was surprised how much spare change I had in my pocket when I
stopped buying my daily yoghurt or ice cream a while ago. And my
waistline appreciated it, too.....

But the FCC wants it all at once, not amortized over time.

As my dentist once said - take up the question of time payments with
your bank.

--
73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane

"D. Stussy" wrote in message

FCC Licensing Information

Channels 1 thru 14 transmit on FRS frequencies.
Channels 15 thru 22 transmit on GMRS frequencies.
Operation on GMRS frequencies requires a license from the FCC.

Then there is another paragraph that talks about how to get an FCC form 605.

The inference I draw from this is that the manufacturer in this case believes
that NO license is required as long as one transmits only on the FRS channels
and not on the GMRS channels. A license is required only when transmitting on
the 8 GMRS-only channels. [Whether a GMRS license is needed or not with
respect to FRS-only use is the matter being debated by some.]

Has anyone seen anything different in any other radio's manual?

Does the instruction manual say anything about power output on the
shared
FRS/GMRS channels? These are usually 1-7 if the radio conforms to
"1-14 FRS,
15-22 GMRS". If its above 500mW its not legal for FRS use, and must
conform to GMRS regulations. Wacky ain't it?

On 1 Jul 2003 18:00:42 -0700, Ryan wrote:

Does the instruction manual say anything about power output on the
shared FRS/GMRS channels? These are usually 1-7 if the radio conforms
to "1-14 FRS, 15-22 GMRS". If its above 500mW its not legal for FRS
use, and must conform to GMRS regulations. Wacky ain't it?

Not at all. It's very plain. You said it clearly.

--
73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane

On Wed, 1 Jul 2003, Ryan wrote:
"D. Stussy" wrote in message
FCC Licensing Information

Channels 1 thru 14 transmit on FRS frequencies.
Channels 15 thru 22 transmit on GMRS frequencies.
Operation on GMRS frequencies requires a license from the FCC.

Then there is another paragraph that talks about how to get an FCC form 605.

The inference I draw from this is that the manufacturer in this case believes
that NO license is required as long as one transmits only on the FRS channels
and not on the GMRS channels. A license is required only when transmitting on
the 8 GMRS-only channels. [Whether a GMRS license is needed or not with
respect to FRS-only use is the matter being debated by some.]

Has anyone seen anything different in any other radio's manual?

Does the instruction manual say anything about power output on the
shared
FRS/GMRS channels? These are usually 1-7 if the radio conforms to
"1-14 FRS,
15-22 GMRS". If its above 500mW its not legal for FRS use, and must
conform to GMRS regulations. Wacky ain't it?

In the case of my radio, it's 500mW regardless of service (i.e. even on GMRS,
it's 500mW).