(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ...
Subject: ARS License Numbers
From: (William)
Date: 8/17/2004 8:38 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(N2EY) wrote in message
.com...
(WA8ULX) wrote in message
...
Total growth of 901 in that much time isn't healthy. Reducing the code
test
to
just 5 wpm did not result in sustained growth, and neither did reducing
the
written tests.

Of course not, all it did was give Lazy Ass people like Karl a FREE
UPGRADE

Karl who?

When and how did you get *your* Extra, Bruce? Was it in front of an
FCC examiner? 20 wpm code, send and receive? Did you take the old
written tests, too?

Or did you bypass all that and get it after April 15, 2000 - just like
the folks you call "lazy"?

N2EY

Well, well, well! I think Jimmy Who found his backbone.

Maybe he'll stand up to Steve's abuses next, if he doesn't fear legal
action or "Dialing..."

All I can say is, "Bravo!"

Jim's had his "backbone" for quite a while.

As for Jim...He's quite independent.

Thanks, Steve, but this isn't the first time I've commented on 'ULX's
nonsense about "real hams" and such.

For example check out:

28 Sep 2003:

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...&output=gplain


03 Oct 2003:

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...&output=gplain

just to name a few.

He and I disagree on a great many
things and always manage to not have to resort to the type of conduct that you
and Lennie the Liar seem to find necessary.

Gentlemen can disagree without being disagreeable.

That would be, in particular, lying to each otehr or calling each otehr
names.

As for "abuses"...What abuses, Brain?

You lie, I call you a liar.

You dance to Lennie's stringpulling, I call you Puppetboy.

You act like you know it all when it's evident you know nothing, I
sarcastically call you "Brain". You cringe at that diminuitive, yet you seem
to relish doing it to others in spades.

Sucks to be you, Brain...You're just slightly more transparent than wax
paper, and about as useful.

If all that's true, why bother with it, Steve? AOL has wonderful
newsgroup filters. I only saw this because you responded.

Let's clarify a few things. We all know Mr. Burke isn't going to tell
us anything significant about his /T5 operation. It's just the
mechanism for
a shaggy dog story, to involve others without ever getting to the
point or answering a direct question. Check out:

23 Oct 1998

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm... output=gplain

for more info than you've been able to gather in the past few years.


None of this should be a surprise, of course. Some folks don't let
facts get in the way of a good rant:

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...&output=gplain

You and I are long-time amateurs, who enjoy and use Morse Code, so of
course we're targets of everything certain folks can think up. Worse,
we're Extras with 1x2 calls, which makes it that much worse. We and
our code test are blamed for everything bad that happens in amateur
radio - and credited with nothing that's good.

This was all explained even before I was on rrap:

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...&output=gplain

Note the date.

Why bother with folks who are so negative, when there's so many good,
fun things to do in ham radio?

73 de Jim, N2EY

Hardly the work of a "nut", I'd say."

Karl is a NUT no matter how you look at it. hes the Clown who sees Black
Helicopters Flying over house. Hes the one who sees Pictures of GUNS on
Computer and thinks he going to be shot.
Hes the Morron who Claims CW was the only reason he couldnt upgrade, AND THEN
WHEN THE cw TEST WENT AWAY it took him a year to Upgrade.Hes the one who Claims
he will never support reducing written test, now hes all for it. Hes the Idiot
who was going to bring all this great new Digital Stuff to Ham radio, and so
far we have seen nothing. Som again, tell me why MR KOOK KARL is your hero.

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ...
Subject: ARS License Numbers
From: (William)
Date: 8/18/2004 7:36 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...

Jim's had his "backbone" for quite a while.

You say that just so long as he stays out of your way and
"never is heard a discouraging word." Yet he's been giving you subtle
hints to back off of Len, but you just don't get it (because you're
nuts and cannot NOT respond to Len). We'll see if he can stand
up to someone other than Bruce, and you'll change your tune when he
tells you to quit making an jerk of yourself. Best of Luck.

Well, Brain...

There ya go spouting off without facts again.

Fact #1. Jim HAS suggested that you stop it with Len.

Suggest you balance the number of LennieRants against the total number of
posts I've made, either to him or about him.

Fact #2. You are unbalanced.

The numbers will, of course, prove you wrong.

Fact #3. You get to do the math.

There ya go...Running off at the mouth again, Brain.

Fact #4. That's what you're doing.

Are you EVER going to learn...?!?!

Fact #5. I learned a long time ago that you're nuts.

N2EY wrote:


Hams are licensed by the feds and the vast majority of them follow the rules -
all the rules. Which means that even though they could run superpower, they
don't, and even though their rigs go outside the ham bands, they won't use 'em
there. Etc. Part of the reason is that the FCC knows where hams live, etc., but
a bigger part is that "it's just not done" by hams.

Most licensed car drivers follow the rules of the road even if there
are no cops around. Most understand that the system works only
because the rules are followed, and thus most do follow the rules.
And the same for most hams on the ham bands. There's little point
calling CQ out of band as you won't find other hams out of band.
And there is plenty of interesting things to do in band. As for
super power, our legal limit is on the order of a kilowatt (varies
a bit depending on mode and subband) which is plenty enough if
you really gotta snag that rare DX. Throw in a beam if you
want (though beams for 160m are kinda hard to come by...).
Other rules like "no business traffic" are there to protect
our bands from being taken over by business users. No broadcasting
is also there to keep the bands useable for normal 2 way comms
(think about how often you actually push the PTT button or
activate the VOX, maybe 15 minutes a day at most unless you're
calling CQ in a contest). That's a duty cycle of 1% or less
for most of us on days we turn the rig on. And if you only do
that once every 2 weeks it drops to 0.07% duty cycle. Broadcasters
are on about 100% of the time, and the bands would fill up pretty
quickly with trash. Thus that rule.

We don't have that many stupid rules nowadays. Used to be you
had to mail a letter to the FCC telling if you were going to be
mobile for more than 2 weeks. But Phil (IIRC) mentioned that
the FCC never acted on any of that stuff, so why bother making
hams do it? So it was dropped.


IOW, most of hamdom is pretty straight-arrow law-abiding.

I've committed a few infractions by accident (phone
in the CW band for example) but soon caught it and corrected
it myself. No need for the FCC to kick down the door....
The FCC knows that people occasionally make mistakes and
only acts if you keep on doing it for long periods of time.
Then it's on purpose and you know it.


Freeband is exactly the opposite. Almost everyhting hams consider important,
they ignore, and vice versa. So why would one be attracted to the other?

There's an outside chance that some of them don't know that ham radio
exists. Nahhhh.... not likely at all....

William wrote:
(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ...

Subject: ARS License Numbers
From: (William)
Date: 8/17/2004 8:38 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(N2EY) wrote in message
le.com...

(WA8ULX) wrote in message

...

Total growth of 901 in that much time isn't healthy. Reducing the code

test

to
just 5 wpm did not result in sustained growth, and neither did reducing

the

written tests.

Of course not, all it did was give Lazy Ass people like Karl a FREE

UPGRADE

Karl who?

When and how did you get *your* Extra, Bruce? Was it in front of an
FCC examiner? 20 wpm code, send and receive? Did you take the old
written tests, too?

Or did you bypass all that and get it after April 15, 2000 - just like
the folks you call "lazy"?

N2EY

Well, well, well! I think Jimmy Who found his backbone.

Maybe he'll stand up to Steve's abuses next, if he doesn't fear legal
action or "Dialing..."

All I can say is, "Bravo!"

Jim's had his "backbone" for quite a while.


You say that just so long as he stays out of your way and
"never is heard a discouraging word." Yet he's been giving you subtle
hints to back off of Len, but you just don't get it (because you're
nuts and cannot NOT respond to Len). We'll see if he can stand
up to someone other than Bruce, and you'll change your tune when he
tells you to quit making an jerk of yourself. Best of Luck.

You are confusing good manners with weakness. You are also confusing
good manners with backbone.

- Mike KB3EIA -

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(William) writes:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...
Subject: ARS License Numbers
From: (William)
Date: 8/18/2004 7:36 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...

Jim's had his "backbone" for quite a while.

You say that just so long as he stays out of your way and
"never is heard a discouraging word." Yet he's been giving you subtle
hints to back off of Len, but you just don't get it (because you're
nuts and cannot NOT respond to Len). We'll see if he can stand
up to someone other than Bruce, and you'll change your tune when he
tells you to quit making an jerk of yourself. Best of Luck.

Well, Brain...

There ya go spouting off without facts again.

Fact #1. Jim HAS suggested that you stop it with Len.

In a way, nursie has slacked off a bit. He doesn't use a Yiddish
pejorative for penis in his sign-offs to replies...at least to me. :-)

Suggest you balance the number of LennieRants against the total number
of posts I've made, either to him or about him.

Fact #2. You are unbalanced.

I would say NUTS.

The numbers will, of course, prove you wrong.

Fact #3. You get to do the math.

Beyond 2 + 2 = 4 he might have trouble...

There ya go...Running off at the mouth again, Brain.

Fact #4. That's what you're doing.

True. Nursie seldom replies on subjects, almost entirely on
personalities.

Are you EVER going to learn...?!?!

Fact #5. I learned a long time ago that you're nuts.

Most of us readers learned that a long time ago.

Still, nursie thinks he is a shining example of U.S. amateur radio.

NOT a role model him...

LHA / WMD

In article ,
(William) writes:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...
Subject: ARS License Numbers
From: (William)
Date: 8/17/2004 8:38 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(N2EY) wrote in message
.com...
(WA8ULX) wrote in message
...
Total growth of 901 in that much time isn't healthy. Reducing the
code
test
to
just 5 wpm did not result in sustained growth, and neither did
reducing
the
written tests.

Of course not, all it did was give Lazy Ass people like Karl a FREE
UPGRADE

Karl who?

When and how did you get *your* Extra, Bruce? Was it in front of an
FCC examiner? 20 wpm code, send and receive? Did you take the old
written tests, too?

Or did you bypass all that and get it after April 15, 2000 - just like
the folks you call "lazy"?

N2EY

Well, well, well! I think Jimmy Who found his backbone.

Maybe he'll stand up to Steve's abuses next, if he doesn't fear legal
action or "Dialing..."

All I can say is, "Bravo!"

Jim's had his "backbone" for quite a while.

You say that just so long as he stays out of your way and
"never is heard a discouraging word." Yet he's been giving you subtle
hints to back off of Len, but you just don't get it (because you're
nuts and cannot NOT respond to Len). We'll see if he can stand
up to someone other than Bruce, and you'll change your tune when he
tells you to quit making an jerk of yourself. Best of Luck.

Nursie isn't affected by anything "subtle." Has to be a 2 x 4 or
larger on the head to get her attention... :-)

LHA / WMD

(N2EY) wrote in message . com...
(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ...
Subject: ARS License Numbers
From: (William)
Date: 8/17/2004 8:38 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(N2EY) wrote in message
.com...
(WA8ULX) wrote in message
...
Total growth of 901 in that much time isn't healthy. Reducing the code
test
to
just 5 wpm did not result in sustained growth, and neither did reducing
the
written tests.

Of course not, all it did was give Lazy Ass people like Karl a FREE
UPGRADE

Karl who?

When and how did you get *your* Extra, Bruce? Was it in front of an
FCC examiner? 20 wpm code, send and receive? Did you take the old
written tests, too?

Or did you bypass all that and get it after April 15, 2000 - just like
the folks you call "lazy"?

N2EY

Well, well, well! I think Jimmy Who found his backbone.

Maybe he'll stand up to Steve's abuses next, if he doesn't fear legal
action or "Dialing..."

All I can say is, "Bravo!"

Jim's had his "backbone" for quite a while.

As for Jim...He's quite independent.

Thanks, Steve, but this isn't the first time I've commented on 'ULX's
nonsense about "real hams" and such.

For example check out:

28 Sep 2003:

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...&output=gplain


03 Oct 2003

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...&output=gplain

just to name a few.

Just to name a few? I think you've exhausted Google.

You sat by for Years while Bruce abused this newsgroup with his
abusive, illiterate postings. Only after you suggested that he was
brilliant, and I kept calling you on it, did you say the first honest
thing about Bruce.

He and I disagree on a great many
things and always manage to not have to resort to the type of conduct that you
and Lennie the Liar seem to find necessary.

Gentlemen can disagree without being disagreeable.

I find Steve highly disagreeable. He's actually abusive.

That would be, in particular, lying to each otehr or calling each otehr
names.

As for "abuses"...What abuses, Brain?

You lie, I call you a liar.

You dance to Lennie's stringpulling, I call you Puppetboy.

You act like you know it all when it's evident you know nothing, I
sarcastically call you "Brain". You cringe at that diminuitive, yet you seem
to relish doing it to others in spades.

Sucks to be you, Brain...You're just slightly more transparent than wax
paper, and about as useful.

If all that's true, why bother with it, Steve? AOL has wonderful
newsgroup filters. I only saw this because you responded.

Yes, Steve, why bother? You won't get a QSL card out of it.

Let's clarify a few things. We all know Mr. Burke isn't going to tell
us anything significant about his /T5 operation. It's just the
mechanism for
a shaggy dog story, to involve others without ever getting to the
point or answering a direct question. Check out:

23 Oct 1998

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm... output=gplain

for more info than you've been able to gather in the past few years.

None of this should be a surprise, of course. Some folks don't let
facts get in the way of a good rant:

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...&output=gplain

You and I are long-time amateurs, who enjoy and use Morse Code, so of
course we're targets of everything certain folks can think up. Worse,
we're Extras with 1x2 calls, which makes it that much worse. We and
our code test are blamed for everything bad that happens in amateur
radio - and credited with nothing that's good.

This was all explained even before I was on rrap:

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...&output=gplain

Note the date.

Note the date that Bruce began his abusive postings.

Note the date that you first noted his abusive manner.

Note the date that Steve began his abusive postings.

Note that you have yet to make a note of his abusiveness.

Yet you have no problem with claiming that Len or I are "negative."

Hi, hi! Good old PCTA double standard.

Why bother with folks who are so negative, when there's so many good,
fun things to do in ham radio?

Jim, this isn't ham radio.

I'd be perfectly pleased if Steve were to spend all of his spare time
actually playing radio commando instead of abusing people on here.

And for what it's worth, have you noticed that we used to have an ANON
poster on here going by the "handle" of Quitefine? Steve has an
unnatural attraction for every ANON poster on here EXCEPT for
Quitefine. Can you explain this?

In article , Mike Coslo
writes:

William wrote:
(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...

Subject: ARS License Numbers
From: (William)
Date: 8/17/2004 8:38 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(N2EY) wrote in message
gle.com...

(WA8ULX) wrote in message

...

Total growth of 901 in that much time isn't healthy. Reducing the code

test

to
just 5 wpm did not result in sustained growth, and neither did reducing

the

written tests.

Of course not, all it did was give Lazy Ass people like Karl a FREE

UPGRADE

Karl who?

When and how did you get *your* Extra, Bruce? Was it in front of an
FCC examiner? 20 wpm code, send and receive? Did you take the old
written tests, too?

Or did you bypass all that and get it after April 15, 2000 - just like
the folks you call "lazy"?

N2EY

Well, well, well! I think Jimmy Who found his backbone.

Maybe he'll stand up to Steve's abuses next, if he doesn't fear legal
action or "Dialing..."

All I can say is, "Bravo!"

Jim's had his "backbone" for quite a while.


You say that just so long as he stays out of your way and
"never is heard a discouraging word." Yet he's been giving you subtle
hints to back off of Len, but you just don't get it (because you're
nuts and cannot NOT respond to Len). We'll see if he can stand
up to someone other than Bruce, and you'll change your tune when he
tells you to quit making an jerk of yourself. Best of Luck.

You are confusing good manners with weakness.

No. YOU are confusing the PCTA extra double standard with
socially-acceptible, logical behavior.

You are also confusing good manners with backbone.

No again. Given the enormous outpouring of vituperation from that
modern ham role model (aka "nursie"), there can be no other
recourse than telling the truth. HOW that recourse is done is
apparently a sore point with you.

YOU condone nursie and whatever he says...because he is another
PCTA extra (and that "club" must stick together...why, I don't know).

Jimmie Who writes so bloody much in here that he can't come to
a good point. YOU are confusing enormous content with "good
manners." shrug

Now WHY are you wading in here in yet-another-nursie-does-the
Yell-Yell versus Everyone Else?

Back to your penalty box...

LHA / WMD

(WA8ULX) wrote in message ...
Hardly the work of a "nut", I'd say."

Karl is a NUT no matter how you look at it. hes the Clown who sees Black
Helicopters Flying over house. Hes the one who sees Pictures of GUNS on
Computer and thinks he going to be shot.
Hes the Morron who Claims CW was the only reason he couldnt upgrade, AND THEN
WHEN THE cw TEST WENT AWAY it took him a year to Upgrade.Hes the one who Claims
he will never support reducing written test, now hes all for it. Hes the Idiot
who was going to bring all this great new Digital Stuff to Ham radio, and so
far we have seen nothing. Som again, tell me why MR KOOK KARL is your hero.

Then there was Bruce.

When he saw a well reasoned argument on RRAP, his brain imploded.
Because that's what happens to "Morrons" (and liberals). Hi, hi!