On 6 Jan 2005 04:15:47 -0800, K4YZ wrote:

All licensees are perfectly legal to continue operating in their
grace period.

Absolutely, positively, without fear of contradiction WRONG!

The "grace period" (as it pertains to Amateur Radio application)
is that period of time between the EXPIRATION of your license, and the
point of time afterwhich you must re-examine for licensure.
In this case, two years.

The only time that a licensee can continue to operate after the
license has expired is if an application for renewal was timely made
and that application has not yet been acted upon.

--
73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane

In article .com,
writes:

Ask Len - he's our resident liberal.

But it isn't a Morse code testing issue.....

That's why he'll go on at length about it. He talks about all kinds of
things that have nothing to do with Morse Code testing.

And when somebody *does* try to discuss Morse Code testing in a civil,
rational way with him, he calls the person names and does the old
ad-hominem game.

Interesting TROLL technique. Yields the first impression that
someone else is ten kinds of badness; i.e., a disguised
ad hominem, done up in righteous flag-waving wrapping.

Tsk. My "liberality" in here is basically about the removal of
morse code testing from the U.S. amateur radio license exam.

Is that some kind of heinous "political liberality?" Is it the
mouthing of some Antichrist? Is it a personal pejorative on
someone? I don't think so.

Retention of the morse code test seems to be ingrained in
the psyche of conservative old-time hams who absolutely
insist on keeping that code test forever and ever. Morse code
mode IS ham radio to some of those morse mavens. They
must remain as a living museum to archaic communications
modes and desire all kinds of "respect" (they are "superior" to
all those that don't want or care for on-off keying modes) and
"recognition of greatness" (because they bought into the
morse myths long ago and can't admit to being deceived).
They see themselves as "leaders" in everything and look down
on all others if those others are against morse code testing.

These die-hard morse mavens (unable to look good in a
Bruce Willis toupee and tee-shirt) call anti-morse-test
advocates as "liberal" in all things because morse testing
and the morse mode is righteous "conservatism"...because
morsemanship is their thing and they are "superior" from that.

Political commentary on national and international politics
belongs in a political newsgroup. Skill in morsemanship does
NOT make for informed expertise on national politics, national
economics, finances, medical expertise, or choo-choo train
stuff. Moresemen want to give that impression...but their
impressions hardly make a dent in Play-Dough from their
righteous hammerings.

On the other hand, morsemen come in here to vent their
tumultuous frustrations of everyday life on others and wildly
abandon any trace of civility or composure by yelling badness
at others (see the Mad-Dog Mattis morseman's outrage). Or
they adopt the holier-than-thou personna of the morse minister
out to save the heathen souls who will not worship their false
idols made of brass from brass-pounding (see Rev. Jimmy Who
when not giving a Sermon on the Antenna Mount).

All of those self-righteous morsemen are "superior" because they
have lifted themselves by their own bootstraps. They are above
all others because of that. All against morse code testing are
"inferior" because they do not love morse. As a result we have
the rabid flaming personal warfare where the self-righteous
morse test advocates must win all arguments by ANY means
possible. Their "means" are perfectly acceptible. Replies in
opposition are always wrong, always a personal insult. It is the
PCTA "holy calling." Holy cow. Sacred cow. Mooo. Booo.

"Reasonable discourse" in here ended years ago.

PCTA in excelsior! [packed in wood chips ready for shipping]

Len Anderson wrote:
In article .com,
writes:

Ask Len - he's our resident liberal.

But it isn't a Morse code testing issue.....

That's why he'll go on at length about it. He talks about all kinds
of
things that have nothing to do with Morse Code testing.

And when somebody *does* try to discuss Morse Code testing in a
civil,
rational way with him, he calls the person names and does the old
ad-hominem game.

Interesting TROLL technique. Yields the first impression that
someone else is ten kinds of badness; i.e., a disguised
ad hominem, done up in righteous flag-waving wrapping.

Absolutely the very same "technique" you have employed in this
forum over and over and over and........

Tsk. My "liberality" in here is basically about the removal of
morse code testing from the U.S. amateur radio license exam.

And taking liberties with the truth...

Is that some kind of heinous "political liberality?" Is it the
mouthing of some Antichrist? Is it a personal pejorative on
someone? I don't think so.

Of course you don't.

You have no stake in any of what you propose, nor will any of the
changes you propose have any effect on you.

Retention of the morse code test seems to be ingrained in
the psyche of conservative old-time hams who absolutely
insist on keeping that code test forever and ever.

You have no stake in any of what you propose, nor will any of the
changes you propose have any effect on you.

Morse code
mode IS ham radio to some of those morse mavens. They
must remain as a living museum to archaic communications
modes and desire all kinds of "respect" (they are "superior" to
all those that don't want or care for on-off keying modes) and
"recognition of greatness" (because they bought into the
morse myths long ago and can't admit to being deceived).
They see themselves as "leaders" in everything and look down
on all others if those others are against morse code testing.

Here we go with LennieTroll #3764...

These die-hard morse mavens (unable to look good in a
Bruce Willis toupee and tee-shirt) call anti-morse-test
advocates as "liberal" in all things because morse testing
and the morse mode is righteous "conservatism"...because
morsemanship is their thing and they are "superior" from that.

But you ARE a "liberal", Lennie.

You show gross disrespect for the Armed Forces by misrepresenting
your own service therein and taking the sacrifices of others as your
own.

Just like your Hero William Jefferson Clinton, you take liberties
with redefining "truth", and any other definition based upon how hard
the hammer's being dropped on your head.

Most of the time it's pretty hard since you keep insisting on
psoting deceitful and bogus tripe.

Political commentary on national and international politics
belongs in a political newsgroup.

Here we have "this is an unmoderated newsgroup"/"you are not a
moderator" Lennie Anderson telling us what we can discuss, where we can
discuss it, etc.

Skill in morsemanship does
NOT make for informed expertise on national politics, national
economics, finances, medical expertise, or choo-choo train
stuff.

Nope...but it DOES make us qualified to be licensed Radio
Amateurs, a feat you have yet to accomplish.

Moresemen want to give that impression...but their
impressions hardly make a dent in Play-Dough from their
righteous hammerings.

They obviously DO "make an impression" because you feel compelled
to keep coming in here and making issue os practices and policies for
an avocation in which you are not a participant.

On the other hand, morsemen come in here to vent their
tumultuous frustrations of everyday life on others and wildly
abandon any trace of civility or composure by yelling badness
at others (see the Mad-Dog Mattis morseman's outrage).

"Morsemen" have a reason to be in an Amateur Radio forum, but who
is "Mad-Dog Mattis"...?!?!

Or they adopt the holier-than-thou personna of the morse minister
out to save the heathen souls who will not worship their false
idols made of brass from brass-pounding (see Rev. Jimmy Who
when not giving a Sermon on the Antenna Mount).

Who is "Reverend Jimmy"...???

What "sermon"...???

All of those self-righteous morsemen are "superior" because they
have lifted themselves by their own bootstraps.

Whelp, Your Putziness, that IS what Amateur Radio is all about.

Part 97 refers.

They are above
all others because of that. All against morse code testing are
"inferior" because they do not love morse.

Other than you, who said that, Lennie? Names? Posts? Show your
work.

As a result we have
the rabid flaming personal warfare where the self-righteous
morse test advocates must win all arguments by ANY means
possible. Their "means" are perfectly acceptible. Replies in
opposition are always wrong, always a personal insult. It is the
PCTA "holy calling." Holy cow. Sacred cow. Mooo. Booo.

Guess you really got soemthing started, eh Lennie?

More than one poster has, on more than one occassion, redirected
the use of such tactics, only to have YOU dig in deeper.

"Reasonable discourse" in here ended years ago.

You mean "No one kneels down and pays me proper respect"...!?!?

What sis you expect? You're a documented liar. Who can respect
that?

PCTA in excelsior! [packed in wood chips ready for shipping]

You were saying about pejoratives...???




Putz
Putz

Steve, K4YZ

Len Anderson wrote:
In article .com,
writes:

Ask Len - he's our resident liberal.

But it isn't a Morse code testing issue.....

That's why he'll go on at length about it. He talks about all kinds
of
things that have nothing to do with Morse Code testing.

And when somebody *does* try to discuss Morse Code testing in a
civil,
rational way with him, he calls the person names and does the old
ad-hominem game.

Interesting TROLL technique. Yields the first impression that
someone else is ten kinds of badness; i.e., a disguised
ad hominem, done up in righteous flag-waving wrapping.

Tsk. My "liberality" in here is basically about the removal of
morse code testing from the U.S. amateur radio license exam.

I view that position as conservative. Ronald Reagan wanted to unburden
the citizens of unnecessary government regulations.

Len Anderson wrote:
In article .com,
writes:

Ask Len - he's our resident liberal.

But it isn't a Morse code testing issue.....

That's why he'll go on at length about it. He talks about all kinds
of
things that have nothing to do with Morse Code testing.

And when somebody *does* try to discuss Morse Code testing in a
civil,
rational way with him, he calls the person names and does the old
ad-hominem game.

Interesting TROLL technique. Yields the first impression that
someone else is ten kinds of badness; i.e., a disguised
ad hominem, done up in righteous flag-waving wrapping.

Not at all, Len. You've behaved exactly as described so many times
you've become very predictable.

Tsk. My "liberality" in here is basically about the removal of
morse code testing from the U.S. amateur radio license exam.

You described the recent second inauguration of the president as
a "coronation". Which leads any reasonable person to believe you
did not vote for him. Lots of other comments on non-amateur-radio
subjects back up that impression.

Is that some kind of heinous "political liberality?"
Is it the mouthing of some Antichrist?
Is it a personal pejorative on
someone? I don't think so.

Who said it was?

Do you think being called a liberal is a pejorative, Len?

Retention of the morse code test seems to be ingrained in
the psyche of conservative old-time hams who absolutely
insist on keeping that code test forever and ever.

Is that wrong? Is it electropolitically incorrect to think that
at least some Morse Code testing should be retained for an
amateur radio license? I don't think so.

But you act like it is a terribly wrong thing to advocate.

Morse code
mode IS ham radio to some of those morse mavens.

So? Ham radio is many different things to many different people. It
cannot be much to you, Len, because you've never bothered to even
become a ham radio operator.

They
must remain as a living museum to archaic communications
modes and desire all kinds of "respect" (they are "superior" to
all those that don't want or care for on-off keying modes) and
"recognition of greatness" (because they bought into the
morse myths long ago and can't admit to being deceived).
They see themselves as "leaders" in everything and look down
on all others if those others are against morse code testing.

There you go, Len, starting with the pejoratives and put-downs and
ad-hominem demonization of people who have opinions different than
yours.

Just as predicted. You do it every time.

These die-hard morse mavens (unable to look good in a
Bruce Willis toupee and tee-shirt) call anti-morse-test
advocates as "liberal" in all things because morse testing
and the morse mode is righteous "conservatism"...because
morsemanship is their thing and they are "superior" from that.

I called you a liberal based on things other than Morse Code testing,
Len.
Such as your "coronation" comment, and other things. You also use the
term "conservative" as a negative thing, which reinforces the
impression.

wrote:
Len Anderson wrote:
In article .com,
writes:

Ask Len - he's our resident liberal.

But it isn't a Morse code testing issue.....

That's why he'll go on at length about it. He talks about all
kinds
of
things that have nothing to do with Morse Code testing.

And when somebody *does* try to discuss Morse Code testing in a
civil,
rational way with him, he calls the person names and does the old
ad-hominem game.

Interesting TROLL technique. Yields the first impression that
someone else is ten kinds of badness; i.e., a disguised
ad hominem, done up in righteous flag-waving wrapping.

Not at all, Len. You've behaved exactly as described so many times
you've become very predictable.

You've become reclusive. It started about the same time that you said
words to the effect that a morse code exam would be an obstacle to
morse code use.

Tsk. My "liberality" in here is basically about the removal of
morse code testing from the U.S. amateur radio license exam.

You described the recent second inauguration of the president as
a "coronation".

And we were lead to believe that you didn't read all of Len's postings.

Which leads any reasonable person to believe you
did not vote for him.

In a two-party system where almost half of the people voted for the
other guy, I find it quite easy to think some people didn't vote for
Bush.

Lots of other comments on non-amateur-radio
subjects back up that impression.

Are you sure that Len votes?

Is that some kind of heinous "political liberality?"
Is it the mouthing of some Antichrist?
Is it a personal pejorative on
someone? I don't think so.

Who said it was?

Do you think being called a liberal is a pejorative, Len?

I do. If someone were to call me a liberal, I'd be downright indignant
about it.

Retention of the morse code test seems to be ingrained in
the psyche of conservative old-time hams who absolutely
insist on keeping that code test forever and ever.

Is that wrong? Is it electropolitically incorrect to think that
at least some Morse Code testing should be retained for an
amateur radio license? I don't think so.

But you act like it is a terribly wrong thing to advocate.

If only Len could vote a pelican-like bird for you to wear on a
necklace.

Morse code
mode IS ham radio to some of those morse mavens.

So? Ham radio is many different things to many different people.

Not really. It seems to be mostly one thing to many people.

It
cannot be much to you, Len, because you've never bothered to even
become a ham radio operator.

There is that.

They
must remain as a living museum to archaic communications
modes and desire all kinds of "respect" (they are "superior" to
all those that don't want or care for on-off keying modes) and
"recognition of greatness" (because they bought into the
morse myths long ago and can't admit to being deceived).
They see themselves as "leaders" in everything and look down
on all others if those others are against morse code testing.

There you go, Len, starting with the pejoratives and put-downs and
ad-hominem demonization of people who have opinions different than
yours.

But Jim, several Extras absolutely have claimed that it is the ancient
mode which gives them their greatness, demanded respect for such, and
claimed superiority in all of the radio sciences and arts for this
single skill.

So how can you claim it to be perjoritives and ad-hominem demonization
of people who have put forth exactly those ideas?