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"Brian" wrote in message om... "Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message ... Its not a hobby. Its a SERVICE. Therin lies the problem.....all you newguys have no idea of what ur talking about. Dan/W4NTI Is it a uniformed service or an uninformed service? Brian At this stage of the game. And based on what I read here on USENET, and what I hear on the bands I would have to say uninformed by a landside. Dan/W4NTI |
Radio Amateur KC2HMZ wrote in message . ..
On 7 Jul 2003 14:21:15 GMT, Alun Palmer wrote: We'll just have to think of something else to talk about. Besides, it's not over yet. The FCC will likely have multiple petitions to look at. For example, what happens to Techs? Should they all get Tech+ privileges? Seems completely obvious to me that they should. In the short term, that's what I personally expect we will see. In the long term, however, I think we will eventually have only two license classes instead of the current three (one for VHF/UHF only privileges, and one for full HF privileges in addition to that). I disagree! The only reason to separate HF and VHF/UHF is/was because of the code test. HF licenses had to have code tests because of the old treaty. Once the new one is ratified, that reason goes away. Seems to me that in a nocodetest future it would make much more sense to let all hams have access to at least partial privileges on most ham bands, rather than continuing the artificial HF vs. VHF-UHF separation. How about this: Three classes of license - call them Third, Second and First for discussion's sake. Thirds have a simple written test and get to use a few modes (CW, SSB/FM phone, some data) on parts of all bands. Power limit is below that requiring RF survey. Callsigns are six characters, and Thirds can't be repeater control ops or VEs. Seconds have more modes, more space on the bands, and more power. Callsigns are five or six characters. Seconds can be repeater control ops and VEs. One year experience as a Third required. Firsts have all privs, callsigns with four, five or six characters, etc. One year experience as a Second required. You get the general idea. 1. FCC remains under a congressional mandate to simplify regulations. The easiest system for FCC to administer would be exactly what I have outlined - either you have HF privileges or you don't. But is that what's best for the ARS? I don't think so. 2. Reading between the lines on the FCC's R&O WRT the last restructuring of amateur license classes leads me to believe that the commission would have preferred to do this in the first place but its hands were tied by the international requirement that WRC just removed. Absent that requirement now, FCC will be free to do what I think it would have preferred to do four years ago. I think what FCC wanted several years back was pretty close to what they actually did - 3 classes of license, minimal or zero code testing. No medical waivers. Less written testing, too. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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Mike Coslo wrote in message ...
Brian wrote: Why limit band privs? Just limit power based upon safety reasons. Many CB'ers run illegal power amps without taking a test at all. - Mike KB3EIA - Why is it when a person shoots a rabbit out of season he is called a poacher rather than a hunter, but when a CBer uses illegal power, he is still called a CBer? bb |
"Alun Palmer" wrote in message ... I'd like to see what the CEPT do at the end of this month in their meeting. At present they have two classes : Class 1 (full privileges, requires full theory test and 5wpm, recently reduced from 12wpm) and Class 2 (144 MHz +, reduced theory requirement, no code). I believe that the only difference between CEPT Class 1 and Class 2 is the Morse requirement for Class 1 ... the written tests come from the "HAREC" standard ... and I *believe* that they are the same. So many countries belong to the CEPT agreement that it will place a huge amount of pressure on individual countries to abolish code testing more quickly. In the interim, lots of no-coders would be able to operate HF only by going mobile and driving across a border! Yes, ain't it *sweet*? :-) I expect the dominoes to fall quite rapidly. 73, -- Carl R. Stevenson - wk3c Grid Square FN20fm http://home.ptd.net/~wk3c ------------------------------------------------------ NCI-1052 Executive Director, No Code International Fellow, The Radio Club of America Senior Member, IEEE Member, IEEE Standards Association Chair, IEEE 802.18 Radio Regulatory Technical Advisory Group Member, Wi-Fi Alliance Spectrum Committee Co-Chair, Wi-Fi Alliance Legislative Committee Member, QCWA (31424) Member, ARRL Member, TAPR Member, The SETI League ------------------------------------------------------ Join No Code International! Hams for the 21st Century. Help assure the survival and prosperity of ham radio. http://www.nocode.org |
Brian wrote:
Mike Coslo wrote in message ... Brian wrote: Why limit band privs? Just limit power based upon safety reasons. Many CB'ers run illegal power amps without taking a test at all. - Mike KB3EIA - Why is it when a person shoots a rabbit out of season he is called a poacher rather than a hunter, but when a CBer uses illegal power, he is still called a CBer? I guess he's acting as expected? - Mike KB3EIA - |
"Phil Kane" wrote in
.net: On 10 Jul 2003 05:33:32 -0700, Brian wrote: It is not clear why Class 2 operators must stay above 144 MHz, as WARC '79 changed the lower limit for no-coders to 30 MHz, but I guess it is because of countries who had not implemented that at the time the areement was originally written. They may not want amateurs transmitting on a VHF-Low TV channel. ISTR that most European countries dumped VHF-low channels many years ago and that the UK dumped both VHF-Lo and Hi when they went to the 625 line PAL colour system from the 405 line b/w system. Perhaps someone "over there" can correct or update that info. Alun ?? -- 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane It's true about the UK. I don't know about the other countries. |
"Carl R. Stevenson" wrote in message ...
"Alun Palmer" wrote in message ... I'd like to see what the CEPT do at the end of this month in their meeting. At present they have two classes : Class 1 (full privileges, requires full theory test and 5wpm, recently reduced from 12wpm) and Class 2 (144 MHz +, reduced theory requirement, no code). I believe that the only difference between CEPT Class 1 and Class 2 is the Morse requirement for Class 1 ... the written tests come from the "HAREC" standard ... and I *believe* that they are the same. So many countries belong to the CEPT agreement that it will place a huge amount of pressure on individual countries to abolish code testing more quickly. In the interim, lots of no-coders would be able to operate HF only by going mobile and driving across a border! Yes, ain't it *sweet*? :-) I expect the dominoes to fall quite rapidly. 73, -- Carl R. Stevenson - wk3c Grid Square FN20fm http://home.ptd.net/~wk3c ------------------------------------------------------ NCI-1052 Executive Director, No Code International Fellow, The Radio Club of America Senior Member, IEEE Member, IEEE Standards Association Chair, IEEE 802.18 Radio Regulatory Technical Advisory Group Member, Wi-Fi Alliance Spectrum Committee Co-Chair, Wi-Fi Alliance Legislative Committee Member, QCWA (31424) Member, ARRL Member, TAPR Member, The SETI League World class joiner . . and ya still couldn't pass a lousy 13wpm code test if yer life depended on it. ------------------------------------------------------ Join No Code International! Hams for the 21st Century. Help assure the survival and prosperity of ham radio. http://www.nocode.org w3rv |
"Dick Carroll" wrote in message ... Unless I missed something, the Tech written includes NO information on HF or HF operations, and FCC earlier stated that no HF privileges' would be accorded to licensees who had not passed a written containing material pertinent to their privileges. Obviously today's FCC may have changed all that. Since Techs may currently earn HF privileges by passing a morse test, there are indeed HF questions on the Tech written. Get a copy of the current "Now You're Talking" and read it and the question pool. The old Tech+ operators and the current Tech with code certification get some voice on 10 meters and some CW on 10 meters, 15 meters, 40 meters, and 80 meters. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
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