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Ask a lawyer about that one. Hey I want to be a BSEE, why do I have
to take History classes ????

You don't have to take history classes in some schools
to get a BSEE.



Broaden the category to Socio-Humanistic electives or whatever
equivalent term that your college uses and you will find that you do
have to take a certain amount of them. And everyone regardless of
major has to take English even though they should already be
proficient at that before they get there. You have to take quite a
few "unnecessary" courses in college to get a degree in any field.

Unless you are a "non-traditional student" at old PSU, you have to
take
Physical Education classes. My son is taking Karate this semester, as a
required course.

It has no bearing on his eventual carreer, yet he may elect to not
take
it, and not graduate. He has to take some history, to and there are
plenty of other classes that have a questionable relevence to his
eventual carreer.

Even the Electrical engineers have to take these classes.

The idea is actually sound, as it helps produce a more well
rounded
individual. It also takes into account that a person may not have the
same "core competencies" their entire career. A narrowly focused
education may prepare a person for a carreer that eventually
dissapears.

- Mike KB3EIA -




I might have known that you would think it was a good idea - I don't

Thanks, Alun! I've switched fields 5 times in the course of one career.
If I hadn't had a broad education, I wouldn't have been able to.

I've always jumped on every educational opporunity I could.

- Mike KB3EIA -

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"Guessing" wrote in
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Ask a lawyer about that one. Hey I want to be a BSEE, why do I have
to take History classes ????

You don't have to take history classes in some schools
to get a BSEE.



Broaden the category to Socio-Humanistic electives or whatever
equivalent term that your college uses and you will find that you do
have to take a certain amount of them. And everyone regardless of
major has to take English even though they should already be
proficient at that before they get there. You have to take quite a
few "unnecessary" courses in college to get a degree in any field.

Unless you are a "non-traditional student" at old PSU, you have
to take
Physical Education classes. My son is taking Karate this semester, as
a required course.

It has no bearing on his eventual carreer, yet he may elect to
not take
it, and not graduate. He has to take some history, to and there are
plenty of other classes that have a questionable relevence to his
eventual carreer.

Even the Electrical engineers have to take these classes.

The idea is actually sound, as it helps produce a more well
rounded
individual. It also takes into account that a person may not have the
same "core competencies" their entire career. A narrowly focused
education may prepare a person for a carreer that eventually
dissapears.

- Mike KB3EIA -




I might have known that you would think it was a good idea - I don't

Thanks, Alun! I've switched fields 5 times in the course of one
career.
If I hadn't had a broad education, I wouldn't have been able to.

I've always jumped on every educational opporunity I could.

- Mike KB3EIA -



And learning history in an EE degree somehow helped you to do that???

On 14 Jul 2003 17:31:44 GMT, Alun Palmer wrote:

And learning history in an EE degree somehow helped you to do that???

It taught me to think. It taught me that we live in a culture, not
on a circuit board. It taught me not appear as an ignoramus before
non-technical folk.

At a very intensive (i.e. tough to get into and tough to stay in)
engineering school, not only did we have to take two semesters of
"American and World Civilization" in freshman year, which disguised
a course in Cultural Anthropology which we all hated, and two
semesters of "American and World Literature" in junior year, a
required "Humanities" sequence which we all regarded as a waste of
our valuable nerd time and geek energy (and to add insult to injury
taught by the same professor as the freshman year course), we also
had to take a course in General Economics, which I wished I had paid
more attention to because until this day the subject still remains
mumbo-jumbo to me. At least Atomic Physics (taught by one of the
Manhattan Project physicists) which also seemed like mumbo-jumbo
finally made sense when sometime after I took the course I finally
figured it out with the help of my brother who is also a ham and has
a Masters degree in Physics but hasn't worked in that field for 35
years.

To further broaden my background, while I was in engineering graduate
school at one university, I was attending another university studying
Jewish history, philosophy, liturgy, Hebrew language, and culture,
subjects I had "kissed off" in my younger years. Was I forced to?
Not by the school involved (it wasn't a degree program), but by the
need to be a well-educated person in my community.

I can almost say the same for my law school (doctorate level)
education. Some of the courses seemed like a waste of time....but
in practice I find that the background that I got from the "unnecessary"
specialty courses was really necessary for the proper practice of my
legal specialty.

Substitute "the humanities" for the string of courses I cited above, and
they are still necesary for one to be a well-rounded and well-educated
person. One can't "figure out" humanities - either one learns it or one
doesn't.

--
73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane

From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon

"Phil Kane" wrote in
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On 14 Jul 2003 17:31:44 GMT, Alun Palmer wrote:

And learning history in an EE degree somehow helped you to do that???

It taught me to think. It taught me that we live in a culture, not
on a circuit board.

That hardly needs formal education. Besides, didn't you do history in high
school?

It taught me not appear as an ignoramus before
non-technical folk.


Aha, so it's useful in cocktail parties!

At a very intensive (i.e. tough to get into and tough to stay in)
engineering school, not only did we have to take two semesters of
"American and World Civilization" in freshman year, which disguised
a course in Cultural Anthropology which we all hated, and two
semesters of "American and World Literature" in junior year, a
required "Humanities" sequence which we all regarded as a waste of
our valuable nerd time and geek energy (and to add insult to injury
taught by the same professor as the freshman year course), we also
had to take a course in General Economics, which I wished I had paid
more attention to because until this day the subject still remains
mumbo-jumbo to me. At least Atomic Physics (taught by one of the
Manhattan Project physicists) which also seemed like mumbo-jumbo
finally made sense when sometime after I took the course I finally
figured it out with the help of my brother who is also a ham and has
a Masters degree in Physics but hasn't worked in that field for 35
years.


I graduated from Loughborough University, which is also quite hard to get
into and stay in. We did have to do Economics and Atomic Physics, but I
don't put those in the same category as arts subjects.

To further broaden my background, while I was in engineering graduate
school at one university, I was attending another university studying
Jewish history, philosophy, liturgy, Hebrew language, and culture,
subjects I had "kissed off" in my younger years. Was I forced to?
Not by the school involved (it wasn't a degree program), but by the
need to be a well-educated person in my community.

I can almost say the same for my law school (doctorate level)

It used to be an LLB, as I'm sure you know.

education. Some of the courses seemed like a waste of time....but
in practice I find that the background that I got from the
"unnecessary" specialty courses was really necessary for the proper
practice of my legal specialty.

I reckon you must be a patent attorney, Phil. If so, that is a major
understatement. I'm a patent agent, BTW.


Substitute "the humanities" for the string of courses I cited above,
and they are still necesary for one to be a well-rounded and
well-educated person. One can't "figure out" humanities - either one
learns it or one doesn't.

--
73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane

From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon



I guess by your definition I'm not a well-rounded or well-educated person.
The USPTO reckoned my EE degree was good enough, though.

73 de Alun, N3KIP

(Reg. No. 47,838)

On 15 Jul 2003 15:07:34 GMT, Alun Palmer wrote:

And learning history in an EE degree somehow helped you to do that???

It taught me to think. It taught me that we live in a culture, not
on a circuit board.

That hardly needs formal education. Besides, didn't you do history in high
school?

And Middle School. And elementary school. All on different levels.

It taught me not appear as an ignoramus before
non-technical folk.

Aha, so it's useful in cocktail parties!

And dealing with relatives, friends, and neighbors as well as
strangers in the many non-technical nexii of our lives.

I can almost say the same for my law school (doctorate level)

It used to be an LLB, as I'm sure you know.

It may be that way in Europe and the UK, but there haven't been any
accredited LLB programs in the US for decades. My degree is a JD
(Juris Doctor) - the equivalent of an MD.

Oh yes, I forget - in the UK they adress dentists and surgeons as
"Mister". We do things differently here in the Former Colonies.

education. Some of the courses seemed like a waste of time....but
in practice I find that the background that I got from the
"unnecessary" specialty courses was really necessary for the proper
practice of my legal specialty.

I reckon you must be a patent attorney, Phil. If so, that is a major
understatement. I'm a patent agent, BTW.

You reckon incorrectly. Although I am eligible for same, I have
never had any reason to take the exam for patent attorney.

I've made it quite clear in my postings that my specialty is
communication regulatory law - 29 years with the gov'mint and 8
years in private practice (plus 10 years of private practice in
engineering).

--
73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane

In article , Mike Coslo writes:

I've always jumped on every educational opporunity I could.

Didn't you at least buy them dinner first? :-)

LHA