In article m, "Dee D. Flint"
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"Kim W5TIT" wrote in message
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"Alun Palmer" wrote in message
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ospam (Larry Roll K3LT) wrote in
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In article , Alun Palmer
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Do you think *that* would be a good reason? I want to do
something I'm
interested in as long as I can. I mean really, do you care what say
Larry, Dick, or Jim or even my self think? Two years is just too long
to wait. That's the reason why I think a preson would get the ticket
sooner.

Considering the fact that most people can pass a 5 WPM code test
right after learning basic character recognition (about two weeks'
effort if you take your time), it would be insane to wait two whole
years to get your General- or Extra-class ham ticket. However, a lot
of wannabe hams out there will probably do just that! It's their
funeral -- they don't know what they're missing!

73 de Larry, K3LT

Oddly enough, I tend to agree. However, it may be worth waiting just long
enough to find out what the FCC is going to do, as right now we don't know
how long the wait will be.

To besmirch someone because they don't, or wait to, upgrade is quite
ridiculous. What if someone is happy with Tech/Tech+, General, etc.?

My husband is a General, has been for I don't know how long, a few years
anyway. I haven't seen a thing he can do that piques my interest enough to
desire an upgrade to do them. In fact, for the past year at least, the
Yaesu 890FT has been completely disconnected (we remodeled this room and the
radio's just never been hooked back up).

People are not missing anything by not upgrading, if the upgraded privileges
don't provide anything more they wish.

Kim W5TIT

You repeatedly misconstrue what people are saying. None of us ridicules or
besmirches the person who does not upgrade because they have no interest in
the privileges of the higher class.

Well, us bourgeoises and "lower class" minded people will just have to sit
in
the back of the bus and drink from different water fountains, won't we? :-)

Did the Almighty make all the Royal-Noble Radio Regulations (hardly
different now than from the pre-WW2 era) or did ordinary humans make
those regulations then? Since when do those LAWS remain fixed,
forever engraved in unchageable stone and protected by the armor of
"tradition?" Laws were made by humans and laws can be UNMADE by
humans.

There's been a movement to change those magnificent code laws for some
time and it has ended on the international side.

I know this is a terrible shock, perhaps trauma to the "higher class" elite,
but S25.5 AS-YOU-KNOW-IT went bye-bye. Try to accept reality with some
good grace. It is difficult, I realize, but it must be done.

They have achieved their personal goals
regarding ham radio and found their niche.

In my case, I've not found any good reason to join a SERVICE of pretend-
quasi-military radio operators by having to relearn morse code.

What we oppose is the person
that wants the privileges of the higher class but refuses to do the work to
get them.

Tsk, tsk, tsk, the Elite "higher-class" talking again!

Hmmm...I got on HF legally and militarily some 50 years ago, transmitting
on HF from any one of 43 transmitters. Did that for two years without any
formal schooling in the military HF communications whatsoever. I guess
that made me "lazy" in your view, didn't it? Since ADA didn't use any
morse code through those 43 transmitters, it was "lower-class" stuff, right?

Will you agree that "radio" was used? I don't think so. From your tone,
I'd say that you think AMATEUR radio works by different principles than
commercial or government radio...therefore such military radio "isn't as
good" as ham equipment...

I know some people that want to be a general but not only have
they been waiting for years for the elimination of the code test but have
refuses to even try.

Well, you upper-class uppercrust make sure all those signs are up in
bus, the ones directing the lower-class to the uncomfortable back.

That gives you (and so many others) the ILLUSION that you are "superior"
and "more advanced" and all that self-promotional stuff. Have fun in your
imaginary nirvana. Realignment and reality are just around the corner.

LHA

Just smile and laugh at Mike, Larry & Dee. These old timers are
set in their ways, and cannot change.

I just have to laugh at their virulent dislike of no-codes.

Sometimes, you just have to poke them the right way to stir them up. :

"Scott Unit 69" wrote in message
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Just smile and laugh at Mike, Larry & Dee. These old timers are
set in their ways, and cannot change.

I just have to laugh at their virulent dislike of no-codes.

Sometimes, you just have to poke them the right way to stir them up. :


Shows how little you know. If you're smart enough to dig out the info, you
will find that I am a long way from being able to qualify as an old timer.
I've learned through personal practice and experience as to what works when
and under what conditions. It is based on experience that I believe all
hams should learn the basics of code. I've used many of the digital modes
to be sure I understood their advantages and disadvantages, although these
modes are not interesting to me. It is on my personal development plan to
do the same with PSK31, the current "flavor of the month."

I have never, ever disliked no-codes. We have some many fine ones in our
club. Those who are interested in HF are studying to upgrade. Those who
are not interested in HF are fine too. Our satellite experts happen to be
no-codes. If I want to know anything about satellites (if ever I choose to
invest in the equipment), I will consult them on their experiences and
follow their recommendations. That they are no-codes and I'm an Extra (from
before restructuring) is unimportant and irrelevant. In that particular
area they are the experts with hands on experience while my knowledge in
this area is limited to book learning. I have no problem whatsoever
acknowledging that expertise. The only no-codes that I find objectionable
are those who want the privileges of a higher class without meeting the
requirements. Waiting for requirements to change is simply wasting one's
time even though they are now likely to change.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article m, "Dee D. Flint"

Well, us bourgeoises and "lower class" minded people will just have to sit in the back of the bus and drink from different water fountains, won't we? :-)

You aren't even ON the bus, Len. You have yet to become a neophyte in
amateur radio.

In my case, I've not found any good reason to join a SERVICE of
pretend-quasi-military radio operators by having to relearn morse
code.

In your case, you've not even attempted the codeless exam which has been
offered for years.

Dave K8MN