In article , Radio Amateur KC2HMZ
writes:


...such as Morse code testing in the ARS?

but without any
particular basis for objection other than the subject in question is a
matter
which the individual feels powerless to control,

...such as the fact that Morse code testing in the ARS is likely to go
away, sooner or later?

John:

Yes, that's right. And the reason it's "going away" is because of all
the "whining" done by the NCTA over the years.

or chooses not to control
by virtue of the personal effort or expense involved. The "whining" is
usually
directed at a person or organization the "whiner" considers to be
responsible
for the situation to which the "whiner" objects.

...such as NCTAs who have the unmitigated audacity to express their
opinion on the subject?

An "opinion," I might add, which has no basis in any actual operational
or regulatory necessity in the AMATEUR radio service.

I will admit that most mature, hard-working, industrious and ingenious
people definitely "don't want to hear" whining.

Who does?

People like Kim, Brian, Carl, Bill, yourself, etc. etc…

For example, I certainly didn't
appreciate being accused of being like Hitler,

As an aside to this topic, does anyone know for sure whether ol'
Adolph knew Morse code? Just curious...

I've never heard anything about whether he did or not, but I'm sure
that if he did, the NCTA would swoon in ecstasy!

and in favor of things like
"ethnic cleansing" because I supported the concept of code testing in the
ARS.
I truly could have done without hearing that, to be sure!

Well, I haven't seen you post anything suggesting that no-code hams be
rounded up and sent to concentration camps or anything like that...not
yet anyway...so I guess I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. :-)

Oh, thank you!

Despite all the shrill, uncontrolled complaints - on both sides of the
issue - the international requirement is no more. The testing
requirement in the USA probably will follow suit sooner or later.
Hmmm...maybe it *is* an ethnic thing: Does red whine or white whine go
best with crow?

I dunno. I've always said that the code testing requirement would go away,
so I guess the first thing you'd have to do is find someone with a crow in
his freezer, and ask him which whine he plans to have with it when he
decides to thaw it out, roast it, and serve it for dinner.

For one thing, it
quite possibly could have spared me the time I've spent on Usenet in the
last 14 years.

Now there's a shrill, uncontrolled complaint if I ever heard one.

Whatever you say, John.

73 de Larry, K3LT

ospam (Larry Roll K3LT) wrote in message ...
In article , Radio Amateur KC2HMZ
writes:

...such as the fact that Morse code testing in the ARS is likely to go
away, sooner or later?

John:

Yes, that's right. And the reason it's "going away" is because of all
the "whining" done by the NCTA over the years.

No. The reason its going away is that the PCTA couldn't present a
sound argument to the FCC for its retention.

Brian

In article ,
(Brian) writes:

John:

Yes, that's right. And the reason it's "going away" is because of all
the "whining" done by the NCTA over the years.

No. The reason its going away is that the PCTA couldn't present a
sound argument to the FCC for its retention.

Brian

Brian:

The PCTA didn't present "a" sound argument to the FCC for the retention
of code testing -- they presented hundreds of them! The trouble is, the FCC
already had it's mind made up. Amateur Radio in general represents an
administrative burden to the FCC, and deregulating it down to the bare
bones is in their organizational interest. Also, as a government agency,
the FCC had to respond to a lot of political and social issues, and one of
the trickiest and most time consuming in the ARS was the concept of
medical waivers for code testing. So, dumbing-down to a single 5-WPM
code test was pretty much a no-brainer for them. Therefore, it wasn't because
of a lack of valid arguments on the PCTA side. Nothing we said could have
made them retain the status quo in code testing, because they wanted to
eliminate that particular administrative burden. As usual, it's all about
money.

73 de Larry, K3LT

ospam (Larry Roll K3LT) wrote in message ...
In article ,
(Brian) writes:

John:

Yes, that's right. And the reason it's "going away" is because of all
the "whining" done by the NCTA over the years.

No. The reason its going away is that the PCTA couldn't present a
sound argument to the FCC for its retention.

Brian

Brian:

The PCTA didn't present "a" sound argument to the FCC for the retention
of code testing -- they presented hundreds of them!

'Fraid not. Aaron Jones was keeping a list of all of those busted
Myths. The FCC must have subscribed to Aaron's List.

The trouble is, the FCC
already had it's mind made up. Amateur Radio in general represents an
administrative burden to the FCC, and deregulating it down to the bare
bones is in their organizational interest.

That should be the goal of all regulatory agencies to use the minimum
amount of "force" necessary.

Also, as a government agency,
the FCC had to respond to a lot of political and social issues, and one of
the trickiest and most time consuming in the ARS was the concept of
medical waivers for code testing.

Naw, as code testing is completely unnecessary, keeping track of code
testing was a monumental waste of time.

So, dumbing-down to a single 5-WPM
code test was pretty much a no-brainer for them. Therefore, it wasn't because
of a lack of valid arguments on the PCTA side.

Wrong. The FCC and NCI came to the same conclusion long ago:

Code Testing is completely unnecessary. Only the whining and crying
and the ITU kept it alive as long as it did.

Nothing we said could have
made them retain the status quo in code testing, because they wanted to
eliminate that particular administrative burden. As usual, it's all about
money.

73 de Larry, K3LT

As usual, it was about common sense. We finally got past the
emotional outbursts and the ITU requirement.

In article ,
(Brian) writes:

Also, as a government agency,
the FCC had to respond to a lot of political and social issues, and one of
the trickiest and most time consuming in the ARS was the concept of
medical waivers for code testing.

Naw, as code testing is completely unnecessary, keeping track of code
testing was a monumental waste of time.

Brian:

(Yawn!) Don't look now, but that's what I meant!

So, dumbing-down to a single 5-WPM
code test was pretty much a no-brainer for them. Therefore, it wasn't
because
of a lack of valid arguments on the PCTA side.

Wrong. The FCC and NCI came to the same conclusion long ago:

Code Testing is completely unnecessary. Only the whining and crying
and the ITU kept it alive as long as it did.

I don't recall any "whining and crying" from the ITU. Through their
World Radiocommunication Conferences, they have a democratic process
for changing International Treaty radio regulations, with the member
administrations representing their own unique interests. Until WRC-03,
they had not seen fit to eliminate the S25.5 Morse code testing
requirement. Now, they have. No whining, no crying, just the usual
democratic process, applied fairly. I accept their decision, even though
I don't agree with it.

Nothing we said could have
made them retain the status quo in code testing, because they wanted to
eliminate that particular administrative burden. As usual, it's all about
money.

73 de Larry, K3LT

As usual, it was about common sense. We finally got past the
emotional outbursts and the ITU requirement.

My recollection is that the "emotional outbursts" have been on the
NCTA side. The PCTA's always posed the logical, "common sense"
arguments. Get it right for once, please!

73 de Larry, K3LT

ospam (Larry Roll K3LT) wrote in message ...
In article ,
(Brian) writes:

Also, as a government agency,
the FCC had to respond to a lot of political and social issues, and one of
the trickiest and most time consuming in the ARS was the concept of
medical waivers for code testing.

Naw, as code testing is completely unnecessary, keeping track of code
testing was a monumental waste of time.

Brian:

(Yawn!) Don't look now, but that's what I meant!

Then you should have said so.


So, dumbing-down to a single 5-WPM
code test was pretty much a no-brainer for them. Therefore, it wasn't
because
of a lack of valid arguments on the PCTA side.

Wrong. The FCC and NCI came to the same conclusion long ago:

Code Testing is completely unnecessary. Only the whining and crying
and the ITU kept it alive as long as it did.

I don't recall any "whining and crying" from the ITU. Through their
World Radiocommunication Conferences, they have a democratic process
for changing International Treaty radio regulations, with the member
administrations representing their own unique interests. Until WRC-03,
they had not seen fit to eliminate the S25.5 Morse code testing
requirement. Now, they have. No whining, no crying, just the usual
democratic process, applied fairly. I accept their decision, even though
I don't agree with it.

The whining and crying was done here by hams and to the FCC w/o ITU involvement.

Nothing we said could have
made them retain the status quo in code testing, because they wanted to
eliminate that particular administrative burden. As usual, it's all about
money.

73 de Larry, K3LT

As usual, it was about common sense. We finally got past the
emotional outbursts and the ITU requirement.

My recollection is that the "emotional outbursts" have been on the
NCTA side.

Strange. I recall the oposite.

The PCTA's always posed the logical, "common sense"
arguments. Get it right for once, please!

Keeping unnecessary "requirements?" That's just not logical.