"Steve Stone" wrote:

You guys have too much time on your hands and
not enough to do. Please join your local ARES
group and use your knowledge and free time in
a productive manner.


Wasting free time is pretty much what this newsgroup is all about, Steve.
However, don't think everyone in this newsgroup spends all their free time
here - most of us get our hands dirty with other things.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/

"Steve Stone" wrote in message ...
. Can you cite a single example of a nocode who
"pushed the hobby/service forward" since then?

Please define "pushed the hobby/service forward" ?

I have no idea what they're talking about, that's why I asked for an
example. I'm still waiting for an answer.

w3rv

"Dwight Stewart" wrote in message
...
"Dee D. Flint" wrote:

(snip) If one looks at reality, only a very, very
limited handful of people came up with the technical
advances regardless of license class so it's probably
not a fair question anyway. Plus it would be skewed by
the fact that prior to the no-code tech license, all
hams had to have code. Neither side has a good argument
attempting to use this point to prove anything.


What you said above pretty much sums up my thoughts on this also.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/


Yep. I think in nearly anything, many will enjoy and a few will excel.

Kim W5TIT


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In article ,
(Brian Kelly) writes:

"Steve Stone" wrote in message
...
. Can you cite a single example of a nocode who
"pushed the hobby/service forward" since then?

Please define "pushed the hobby/service forward" ?

I have no idea what they're talking about, that's why I asked for an
example. I'm still waiting for an answer.

Kellie has NEVER been able to "push anything forward" in
amateur radio. His radio technology expertise seems
confined to memorizing radio ads' phrases in QST so as to
"push his station forward" for Kellie. :-)

Pushing a charge card through a swipe reader to afford the
latest and greatest (designed by others) "ham radio" is not
really "pushing the hobby forward," is it? :-)

LHA

In article ,
(Brian Kelly) writes:

(WA8ULX) wrote in message
...
I was on HF and communicating
before any of the regulars in here and I didn't have to use any
morse code at all.

Im sure your right, CB or 11 Meters is considered HF.

He's so fulla **** the whites of his eyes gotta be brown.

Incorrect. They are blue.

I for one
was on the HF ham bands in 1951 *with CW* from W3CGS before I got my
Novice ticket.

Then you were BOOTLEGGING, old man. ILLEGAL. Tsk, tsk.

The only "HF experience" he had in that timeframe was
as a grunt U.S. Army apprentice RTTY equipment mechanic & babysitter
1952-53.

Incorrect AGAIN!

Microwave Radio Relay Operation and Maintenance Supervisor, (then)
MOS 281.6. Temporarily doing Fixed Station Transmitters operation
and maintenance (supervisor) 1953 to 1956 at US Army radio station
ADA in Tokyo, Japan. 43 transmitters on HF ranging from 1 KW
(BC-339) to 40 KW (AN/FRC-22)...working to Seoul, Pusan,
Okinawa, Manila, Saigon, Anchorage, Seattle, Hawaii, San Francisco
on a 24/7 schedule. Not a single circuit used any morse code.

In 1952 I was in Basic Training and at the Signal School in Fort
Monmouth, NJ.

The epithet-tossing garbage-mouthed old man seems to have
difficulty with NUMBERS. I recall a jolly bit of BS of his about "26"
patents that were only ONE. :-)

LHA

(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
In article ,
(Brian Kelly) writes:

(WA8ULX) wrote in message
...
I was on HF and communicating
before any of the regulars in here and I didn't have to use any
morse code at all.

Im sure your right, CB or 11 Meters is considered HF.

He's so fulla **** the whites of his eyes gotta be brown.

Incorrect. They are blue.

I for one
was on the HF ham bands in 1951 *with CW* from W3CGS before I got my
Novice ticket.

Then you were BOOTLEGGING, old man. ILLEGAL. Tsk, tsk.

Wrong. Flat out wrong ya Putz. Figger it out.


The only "HF experience" he had in that timeframe was
as a grunt U.S. Army apprentice RTTY equipment mechanic & babysitter
1952-53.

Incorrect AGAIN!

Microwave Radio Relay Operation and Maintenance Supervisor, (then)
MOS 281.6. Temporarily doing Fixed Station Transmitters operation
and maintenance (supervisor) 1953 to 1956 at US Army radio station
ADA in Tokyo, Japan. 43 transmitters on HF ranging from 1 KW
(BC-339) to 40 KW (AN/FRC-22)...working to Seoul, Pusan,
Okinawa, Manila, Saigon, Anchorage, Seattle, Hawaii, San Francisco
on a 24/7 schedule. Not a single circuit used any morse code.

In 1952 I was in Basic Training and at the Signal School in Fort
Monmouth, NJ.

Like I sed, I was on HF before you were. AND originating the traffic
content which you couldn't and didn't. Repeater mechanic. Bleh.


The epithet-tossing garbage-mouthed old man seems to have
difficulty with NUMBERS. I recall a jolly bit of BS of his about "26"
patents that were only ONE. :-)

Wrong. Flat out wrong ya Putz.

LHA

(N2EY) wrote in message ...
In article ,
(Brian Kelly) writes:


The claim is that code tests are not for the 21st century, and that the
survival and proseprity of amateur radio depends in some way on complete
elimination of code tests.

Right on. Never mind that a decade of actual experince demonstrates otherwise.


73 de Jim, N2EY

w3rv

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article ,
(Brian Kelly) writes:

(WA8ULX) wrote in message
...
I was on HF and communicating
before any of the regulars in here and I didn't have to use any
morse code at all.

Im sure your right, CB or 11 Meters is considered HF.

He's so fulla **** the whites of his eyes gotta be brown.

Incorrect. They are blue.

That has to be an interesting look you've got there, Leonard. What
color are the pupils?

I for one
was on the HF ham bands in 1951 *with CW* from W3CGS before I got my
Novice ticket.

Then you were BOOTLEGGING, old man. ILLEGAL. Tsk, tsk.

I think we may see another gap in your knowledge looming.

The only "HF experience" he had in that timeframe was
as a grunt U.S. Army apprentice RTTY equipment mechanic & babysitter
1952-53.

Incorrect AGAIN!

Microwave Radio Relay Operation and Maintenance Supervisor, (then)
MOS 281.6. Temporarily doing Fixed Station Transmitters operation
and maintenance (supervisor) 1953 to 1956 at US Army radio station
ADA in Tokyo, Japan. 43 transmitters on HF ranging from 1 KW
(BC-339) to 40 KW (AN/FRC-22)...working to Seoul, Pusan,
Okinawa, Manila, Saigon, Anchorage, Seattle, Hawaii, San Francisco
on a 24/7 schedule. Not a single circuit used any morse code.

I know you just forgot to mention, "Fifty years ago..."

In 1952 I was in Basic Training and at the Signal School in Fort
Monmouth, NJ.

....and a year later you were an expert.

Dave K8MN

Dwight Stewart wrote in message ...
"Brian Kelly" wrote:



Well, I suppose one could argue that those without code ability have
pushed the hobby/service forward by just being there (shear numbers do help
Amateur Radio).

Ya mean like sheer numbers have "helped" CB radio? Which matters more
in ham radio, quantity or quality?? We're obviously not gonna have
both.

Of course, that is not likely to be an argument that
satisfies you,

I'll cheerfully give up thumping for code tests when the writtens get
much stiffer than they are now. As the situation stands now everywhere
I look the service is being dumbed down. How many examples of how
that philosophy has backfired badly in other spheres do you have to
see before you get the drift? Welfare? Public education? Where and how
do we draw the line in ham radio?

but it was the only thing I could come up with at this
moment.

Uh-huh. There's a reason for that.

However, I think even those with code ability would agree that at
least some have walked away from ham radio because of the code testing
requirement.

Not "some", uncountable hordes. I've been listening to that excuse for
more decades than I'd like to admit. I never shed a tear for any of
'em. It's a blatent copout and a strong indicator of what ham radio
would have gotten from them.

Would one of those have pushed the hobby/service forward? We'll
obviously never know (especially since we're not even clear on what that
phrase means).

Yeah yeah, and I'll never know how much more money I might have made
if I'd gone to law school instead of engineering school. So what?
We're talking about the path forward from here in ham radio and the
discussions are based on what we DO know has happened both in ham
radio and elsewhere.

The difference is that us coders don't go around
bleating about how we "push the hobby/service
forward". Which is one of the bogus battle cries
of the free lunchers. (snip)


Well, with the amount of noise those with code ability make in general, it
would be a little hard to notice even if they did.

Bleh!

The rest of your message seems more to be a declaration than a discussion
so I'll let it go unanswered.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/

w3rv

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
Len Over 21 wrote:

In article ,
(Brian Kelly) writes:

(WA8ULX) wrote in message
...
I was on HF and communicating
before any of the regulars in here and I didn't have to use any
morse code at all.

Im sure your right, CB or 11 Meters is considered HF.

He's so fulla **** the whites of his eyes gotta be brown.

Incorrect. They are blue.

That has to be an interesting look you've got there, Leonard. What
color are the pupils?

He's been swallowing his blue Listerine. Prolly by the gallon. He
hasn't read the label yet.


I for one
was on the HF ham bands in 1951 *with CW* from W3CGS before I got my
Novice ticket.

Then you were BOOTLEGGING, old man. ILLEGAL. Tsk, tsk.

I think we may see another gap in your knowledge looming.

Dontcha love it? The average nocoode can see it a mile away. But not
our Putz, yes sir, he knows *everything*.

The only "HF experience" he had in that timeframe was
as a grunt U.S. Army apprentice RTTY equipment mechanic & babysitter
1952-53.

Incorrect AGAIN!

Microwave Radio Relay Operation and Maintenance Supervisor, (then)
MOS 281.6. Temporarily doing Fixed Station Transmitters operation
and maintenance (supervisor) 1953 to 1956 at US Army radio station
ADA in Tokyo, Japan. 43 transmitters on HF ranging from 1 KW
(BC-339) to 40 KW (AN/FRC-22)...working to Seoul, Pusan,
Okinawa, Manila, Saigon, Anchorage, Seattle, Hawaii, San Francisco
on a 24/7 schedule. Not a single circuit used any morse code.

I know you just forgot to mention, "Fifty years ago..."

In 1952 I was in Basic Training and at the Signal School in Fort
Monmouth, NJ.

...and a year later you were an expert.

Zzzzzzz . . .


Dave K8MN

w3rv