(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
In article , Dwight Stewart
writes:

The pool of trained operators concept relates to our ability to do the
other things outlined in 97.1 (public service, international goodwill, and
so on). At one time, code was a necessary part of at least some of that.
That is much less so today, hence the move to change the code testing
requirement.

Dwight, that statement in 97.1 is an OLD thing going back decades.

Regardless of how long it was put there, it's still there today,
ergo just as binding as it was then.

It was put in there to rationalize the existance of amateur radio among
all the other very commercial radio services.

Every radio service MUST be justified (not rationalized) to
exist. The electromagnetic spectrum IS finnite and therefore a
valuable resource that must be conserved and used wisely.

Three to four decades ago there MIGHT have been a "need" for "trained
operators" for the military draft. [the USA still had a draft and the Cold
War was very warm indeed] Never mind that the military already HAD
ways of training in the "radio arts."

The need for a "pool of trained operators" continues to exist to
this day. Events as recent as TODAY prove that.

Does national defense or the various aid agencies NEED amateurs who
are "trained" in DX contesting and sitting around telling old war stories
about when Kode Vas King? I don't think so.

You "don't think so" because you're an idiot and a troll.

"National defense" is more than Morse operators. Hundreds of
thousands of dollars are being poured into Emergency Services training
for Amateurs specifically because they ARE licensed operators...seems
someone is sufficiently satisfied with the idea of our abilities to
warrant the spending of scarce funding.

(snip) And public service. (snip)

I'm not aware of the use of code by any of the typical served agencies
(Red Cross, MARS, and so on).

Morse code use will keep out the eveavsdropers and bad people from
the content of communications, thus not letting them know the deep
dark, very secret ways of the ham. Secure.

So I've been told.

So it has been. It's kept YOU out, Lennie.

(snip) Besides, everything hams do is either "for
enjoyment" or public service. Does that mean none
of it should be tested?

Huh? I thought I was fairly clear about all this. Code was once necessary
for the goals and purposes outlined in 97.1. At the very least, that is much
less so today (some would say it is not at all so today). That severely
weakens the justification for a unique license requirement. If the license
requirement is actually removed, code will then be tested on an equal
footing with the other operating modes (written theory). Nothing in that is
an argument for or against testing anything else.

Holier-than-thou old-timers just can't live with that, Dwight!

FCC "must" keep the "tradition" of morsemanship!

shrug

Morse code is not necessary to meet the criteria laid out in
97.1, and was only incidental to it. Amateur Radio (as a community)
meets all points of 97.1 with ot without it, in any number of modes.

And that's a fact YOU can't seem to live WITH, Your Scumminess!

Steve, K4YZ

(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...

Does national defense or the various aid agencies NEED amateurs who
are "trained" in DX contesting and sitting around telling old war stories
about when Kode Vas King? I don't think so.

A quote from the ARRL website:

QUOTE

Red Cross honors ARRL for Amateur Radio's tornado work (Aug 8, 2003)
-- The ARRL has received a certificate of appreciation from the
American Red Cross for the "valuable service" League members provided
in support of Red Cross efforts after a devastating series of tornados
struck Missouri, Kansas, Tennessee and Arkansas on May 4. The
certificate specifically acknowledges Amateur Radio operation in
Missouri. "Your time and compassion resulted in more than 735
individuals and families being sustained in a time of crisis," wrote
ARC National Coordinator of Disaster Volunteers Wendy Kaplan in an
accompanying letter also signed by ARC executive vice president for
disaster services Terry Sicilia. Amateur Radio and the American Red
Cross have a long history of cooperation during disasters. The first
Memorandum of Understanding between ARRL and the ARC dates back to
1940.

UNQUOTE

It would seem that the American Red Cross, an entity that's been
in existence far longer than Lennie the Lame, sees Amateur Radio's
contributions to disaster relief and Public Service in a significantly
different light than he does.

Seems to me that this pretty well meets the criteria set out in
97.1.

Whew!

Steve, K4YZ

In article ,
(Brian Kelly) writes:

(N2EY) wrote in message
.com...
(Brian Kelly) wrote in message
.com...
(N2EY) wrote in message
.com...
Dwight Stewart wrote in message
...

Besides, everything hams do is either "for enjoyment" or public
service.

But . . but . . geez, wait a minnit here! What about all the
technological leaps forward we're 'sposed to lead . . ? It sez so in
97.1 . . isn't that the Techs job??

It's everybody's job. And nobody's.

Whew: The latter gets me off the hook . .

And everyone else.

You'll see, the techno folks who
will come into the ARS after Element 1 goes away will create a techno
revolution just like the one created when the Tech lost its code test.
Just watch....

What AGAIN??!

Yep. Brace yourself.

It won't be possible for us OFs to keep up with it if
it's even close to a repeat of the technology explosion of '92-'93.

Which was dwarfed by the followup in '95 when the vanity call rules changed.
And the total inundation by technorevolutionaries after the 2000 restructuring.


It was almost sad, seeing all that nearly-new ham gear made obsolete overnight
by the waves of radical technical improvements the technically-knowledgeable
newbies brought. Remember how Yaesu, Kenwood and Icom nearly dominated the ham
market until those folks revived homebrewing to the point that "appliance
operating" is just a niche interest?

We're doomed to obsolescence. Sob.

Yeah - HRO practically giving away those IC-7800s, TenTec offering the Orion as
a kit and being snubbed because there wasn't enough DSP in it. And all those
surplus SINGCARS set mods cluttering up QST....

Does that mean none of it should be tested?

That'll be covered in the next round . .

Maia & Co. are already working on that.

With "leaders" like him and Stevenson how can we miss?

Those two are NOT the same! At least Carl believes in written testing!

Fun fact: Check the lookup counter in QRZ.com for W5YI.

73 de Jim, N2EY

73 de Jim, N2EY

In article , (N2EY)
writes:

Fun fact: Check the lookup counter in QRZ.com for W5YI.

73 de Jim, N2EY

Jim:

W5YI's QRZ record seems to be missing the lookup counter! OTOH,
Michelle, KC0MYV, seems to be breaking all records on that account!

Now, now, Kim -- don't be jealous of Michelle -- even though you have a
right to be!

73 de Larry, K3LT

"Larry Roll K3LT" wrote in message
...
In article ,
(N2EY)
writes:

Fun fact: Check the lookup counter in QRZ.com for W5YI.

73 de Jim, N2EY

Jim:

W5YI's QRZ record seems to be missing the lookup counter! OTOH,
Michelle, KC0MYV, seems to be breaking all records on that account!

Now, now, Kim -- don't be jealous of Michelle -- even though you have a
right to be!

73 de Larry, K3LT


Jealous? Because of a woman who has a link to her commercial site on her
lookup on QRZ? Not at all.

Kim W5TIT

In article ,
(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) writes:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...
In article , Dwight Stewart
writes:


You "don't think so" because you're an idiot and a troll.


So it has been. It's kept YOU out, Lennie.


And that's a fact YOU can't seem to live WITH, Your Scumminess!

Everyone can see you still haven't taken your medications, pSycho
pSteve. Shame on you, high holy medical professional...

"Kim W5TIT" wrote in message ...
"Larry Roll K3LT" wrote in message
...
In article ,
(N2EY)
writes:

Fun fact: Check the lookup counter in QRZ.com for W5YI.

73 de Jim, N2EY

Jim:

W5YI's QRZ record seems to be missing the lookup counter! OTOH,
Michelle, KC0MYV, seems to be breaking all records on that account!

Now, now, Kim -- don't be jealous of Michelle -- even though you have a
right to be!

73 de Larry, K3LT


Jealous? Because of a woman who has a link to her commercial site on her
lookup on QRZ? Not at all.

If I were you I'd give up trying to compete with her too.

Kim W5TIT

"Brian Kelly" wrote in message
om...
"Kim W5TIT" wrote in message
...
"Larry Roll K3LT" wrote in message
...
In article ,

(N2EY)
writes:

Fun fact: Check the lookup counter in QRZ.com for W5YI.

73 de Jim, N2EY

Jim:

W5YI's QRZ record seems to be missing the lookup counter! OTOH,
Michelle, KC0MYV, seems to be breaking all records on that account!

Now, now, Kim -- don't be jealous of Michelle -- even though you have
a
right to be!

73 de Larry, K3LT


Jealous? Because of a woman who has a link to her commercial site on
her
lookup on QRZ? Not at all.

If I were you I'd give up trying to compete with her too.

Kim W5TIT

Brian: perhaps you can give me some kind of clue as to what the Hell you are
talking about?

Kim W5TIT

In article , Mike Coslo
writes:

Jim:

W5YI's QRZ record seems to be missing the lookup counter! OTOH,
Michelle, KC0MYV, seems to be breaking all records on that account!

Perhaps we can get Vipul a date?

No -- but I'm available!

73 de Larry, K3LT

In article , "Kim W5TIT"
writes:

Jim:

W5YI's QRZ record seems to be missing the lookup counter! OTOH,
Michelle, KC0MYV, seems to be breaking all records on that account!

Now, now, Kim -- don't be jealous of Michelle -- even though you have a
right to be!

73 de Larry, K3LT


Jealous? Because of a woman who has a link to her commercial site on her
lookup on QRZ? Not at all.

Kim W5TIT

Kim:

Don't look now, but I don't think you'd be jealous of her sales volume, even
though I expect it looks just as good as she does!

73 de Larry, K3LT