Brian,

A 24 MB file and well worth the download time. Good grief, I can't believe
the FCC doesn't understand what this is going to do to HF communications.

Thanks and 73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA


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Check out the ARRL site for the BPL video.

Brian

http://www.remote.arrl.org/news/stor.../08/08/2/?nc=1


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Jim Hampton wrote:
Brian,

A 24 MB file and well worth the download time. Good grief, I can't believe
the FCC doesn't understand what this is going to do to HF communications.

It is easy to believe when you realize that the FCC is now run
by a bunch of lawyers who are completely dysfunctional when it
comes to radio communications. They wouldn't know a transmitter
from a door knob.

On Fri, 08 Aug 2003 20:58:01 GMT, "Jim Hampton" wrote:

A 24 MB file and well worth the download time. Good grief, I can't believe
the FCC doesn't understand what this is going to do to HF communications.

Ham Radio and SWL is old technology and BPL will benefit millions of consumers
that want broadband Internet access. It is not fair to stop new technology
because 100,000 people that are active ham radio operators want to hang on to
old 1844 technology called morse code.
If ham radio had millions of active HF operators then it could be argued that
their bands should be protected in some fashion. But 100,000 vs 130 Million
households shows that the smaller group should lose their HF privileges for
better technology. Ham radio has been replaced by the Internet.

--
The Radio Page Ham, Police Scanner, Shortwave and more.
http://www.kilowatt-radio.org/
...it does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an
irate, tireless minority to set brush fires in people's
minds. --Samuel Adams

"Keith" wrote in message
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Ham radio has been replaced by the Internet.

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Great....lets give it a try then.....

CQ CQ CQ INTERNET THIS IS KEITHGOOF
COMEON............................................ ..........................
....................................

Damn no replies.....What did I do wrong Keithgoof?

Dan/W4NTI

Keith,

As soon as you can figure out what BPL is going to do to hi-fidelity stereo
am broadcast (you were aware of that, right? This is new technology), you
be sure and let the group know. Also, if there is a big solar flare and
satellites are temporarily effected, I hope you aren't aboard a sinking ship
that depends upon HF (not amateur radio) as a backup. You are aware the
ships do use hf, right? I didn't say Morse code, I said HF. Amateur radio
only occupies a small portion of HF. I know that the average cber thinks
that no one uses HF, but 130 million households should have priority over a
sinking ship? Ignorance is curable, stupid isn't. Which are you suffering
from?


Jim AA2QA

"Keith" wrote in message
...
..

Ham Radio and SWL is old technology and BPL will benefit millions of
consumers
that want broadband Internet access. It is not fair to stop new technology
because 100,000 people that are active ham radio operators want to hang on
to
old 1844 technology called morse code.
If ham radio had millions of active HF operators then it could be argued
that
their bands should be protected in some fashion. But 100,000 vs 130
Million
households shows that the smaller group should lose their HF privileges
for
better technology. Ham radio has been replaced by the Internet.

--
The Radio Page Ham, Police Scanner, Shortwave and more.
http://www.kilowatt-radio.org/
..it does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an
irate, tireless minority to set brush fires in people's
minds. --Samuel Adams


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"Jim Hampton" wrote in message ...
Keith,

As soon as you can figure out what BPL is going to do to hi-fidelity stereo
am broadcast

What will it do to lo-fidelity AM?

This must be the Dem's answer to silencing Rush Limbaugh, Glen Beck,
Mike Reagan, Ollie North, Neal Bortz, Gordon Liddy, Mike Savage, Sean
Hannity...

Brian,

I did make a minor mistake. BPL is cut off at 1.8 MHz, thus avoiding the
deep pocket broadcasters. I'm still not sure how well the cheap Chinese
radios will work with BPL being fed right into the power lines.

Then there are HF aeronautical frequencies. I forgot there are HF radio
astronomy listening posts. I wonder how well folks will hear WWV at any HF
frequency. SWLs will love BPL; forget hearing a lot of foreign
broadcasters. This thing is looking very ugly, indeed. BTW, don't blame
the Democrats; it is usually the big-money backed Republicans that will sell
their own mother to make money for someone who lined their pockets. I
noticed that in Japan, they blame the liberal Democrats for running huge
deficits and keeping interest rates at near zero. Sounds like what our
Republicans are doing, doesn't it? Frankly, I don't trust Republicans or
Democrats; both have to serve special interest groups before the common
good.


73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA



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"Jim Hampton" wrote in message
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Keith,

As soon as you can figure out what BPL is going to do to hi-fidelity
stereo
am broadcast

What will it do to lo-fidelity AM?

This must be the Dem's answer to silencing Rush Limbaugh, Glen Beck,
Mike Reagan, Ollie North, Neal Bortz, Gordon Liddy, Mike Savage, Sean
Hannity...


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Brian,

I did make a minor mistake. BPL is cut off at 1.8 MHz, thus avoiding the
deep pocket broadcasters. I'm still not sure how well the cheap Chinese
radios will work with BPL being fed right into the power lines.

Then there are HF aeronautical frequencies. I forgot there are HF radio
astronomy listening posts. I wonder how well folks will hear WWV at any
HF
frequency. SWLs will love BPL; forget hearing a lot of foreign
broadcasters. This thing is looking very ugly, indeed. BTW, don't blame
the Democrats; it is usually the big-money backed Republicans that will
sell
their own mother to make money for someone who lined their pockets. I
noticed that in Japan, they blame the liberal Democrats for running huge
deficits and keeping interest rates at near zero. Sounds like what our
Republicans are doing, doesn't it? Frankly, I don't trust Republicans or
Democrats; both have to serve special interest groups before the common
good.


73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA



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"Jim Hampton" wrote in message
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Keith,

As soon as you can figure out what BPL is going to do to hi-fidelity
stereo
am broadcast

What will it do to lo-fidelity AM?

This must be the Dem's answer to silencing Rush Limbaugh, Glen Beck,
Mike Reagan, Ollie North, Neal Bortz, Gordon Liddy, Mike Savage, Sean
Hannity...


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When you consider the FCC Chairman was raised by Colin....you figure it out.

Dan/W4NTI

A couple of other questions for you Keith.
BPL uses frequencies between 1.8 and 80 MHz.

Question #1: Does 27 MHz CB fall between 1.8 and 80 MHz?

Question #2: Do HF radio astronomy posts use frequencies between 1.8 and 80
MHz?

Question #3: Does WWV use frequencies between 1.8 and 80 MHz?

Question #4: Do HF aeronautical frequencies lie between 1.8 and 80 MHz?

Question #5: Do HF foreign broadcasters use frequencies between 1.8 and 80
MHz?

Question #6: Will SWLs be impacted by the answer to question #5?

Question #7: I see you provide a link to short wave. Just what do you
think short wave is? (BIG hint: HF; 3 to 30 MHz, just what is being
impacted).

Question #8: I see you provide a link to scanners. You are aware that many
scanners go down to 30 MHz or so (some lower) and even VHF frequencies to 80
MHz are affected.

Question #9: What are the frequencies occupied by the lowest channels of
television in the United States? (Hint, channel two runs between 54 MHz and
60 MHz). Do these frequencies lie between 1.8 and 80 MHz?


Now think about those questions for a while.

These are just simple starter questions; it gets worse the deeper you dig.
Now go back to your room and shut the padded door


73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA



"Keith" wrote in message
...
Ham Radio and SWL is old technology and BPL will benefit millions of
consumers
that want broadband Internet access. It is not fair to stop new technology
because 100,000 people that are active ham radio operators want to hang on
to
old 1844 technology called morse code.
If ham radio had millions of active HF operators then it could be argued
that
their bands should be protected in some fashion. But 100,000 vs 130
Million
households shows that the smaller group should lose their HF privileges
for
better technology. Ham radio has been replaced by the Internet.

--
The Radio Page Ham, Police Scanner, Shortwave and more.
http://www.kilowatt-radio.org/
..it does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an
irate, tireless minority to set brush fires in people's
minds. --Samuel Adams





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A couple of other questions for you Keith.
BPL uses frequencies between 1.8 and 80 MHz.

Question #1: Does 27 MHz CB fall between 1.8 and 80 MHz?

Question #2: Do HF radio astronomy posts use frequencies between 1.8 and 80
MHz?

Question #3: Does WWV use frequencies between 1.8 and 80 MHz?

Question #4: Do HF aeronautical frequencies lie between 1.8 and 80 MHz?

Question #5: Do HF foreign broadcasters use frequencies between 1.8 and 80
MHz?

Question #6: Will SWLs be impacted by the answer to question #5?

Question #7: I see you provide a link to short wave. Just what do you
think short wave is? (BIG hint: HF; 3 to 30 MHz, just what is being
impacted).

Question #8: I see you provide a link to scanners. You are aware that many
scanners go down to 30 MHz or so (some lower) and even VHF frequencies to 80
MHz are affected.

Question #9: What are the frequencies occupied by the lowest channels of
television in the United States? (Hint, channel two runs between 54 MHz and
60 MHz). Do these frequencies lie between 1.8 and 80 MHz?


Now think about those questions for a while.

These are just simple starter questions; it gets worse the deeper you dig.
Now go back to your room and shut the padded door


73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA


Jim, to add a few to your list........


Question #10 Do TV Channels 2 through 5 use spectrum in this range?

Question #11 Do you know that even with Digital TV that broadcasters
will still have to broadcast on the old frequencies until about 80% of
the households in their class A & B coverage areas upgrade to digital?
This means that VHF over the air brodcast will likely go on well past
1996.

Question #12 Do you know that RC aircraft use spectrum in the 70 MHz
range for control?

Question #13 Did you know that there are literally millions of RC
flyers out ther and some of these aircraft tip the scales at over 30
pounds, are powered by actual tubojet engines and can approach 300 MPH?

Question #14 Do you really believe that the cutoff frequency will be
sharp enough to stop interference to at least the upper part of AM
broadcast and the lower part of FM broadcast?

73
George
K3UD