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September 2nd 03, 05:00 AM
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"Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote in message hlink.net... "Brian" wrote in message om... "Dick Carroll;" wrote in message ... It isn't on the FCC's website yet but you can read it here.... http://www.eham.net/articles/6371 Enjoy! I thought that FISTS sold themselves as a non-political club? How is sending in a petition a political act? Does that mean when NCI sent in a petition it was political? Or perhaps they were simply following proceedures. Of course participating in the regulatory process is a "political" thing. And yes, FIST's position in the past (and IIRC, their charter) was that they were *not* a politically-oriented group ... just a group that was supposed to foster the *use* of Morse. And the test is *not* necessary to use Morse ... someone sending slow as they learn (voluntarily, because they *want* to) hurts nobody ... even the ARRL has stated that the best way to learn Morse is on the air. Keeping people off the air until they learn Morse to some specific level of proficiency is counter, not just to the ARS as a whole, but to the *professed* goal of those who want to keep Morse testing. If they'd welcome folks whether they could beep or not, they'd stand a better chance of gaining "recruits" than they do by acting crappy to those who aren't interested in Morse, trying to keep them off of HF, and then complaining that they don't "realize the benefits of Morse." After that sort of treatment, no wonder so many folks aren't interested in Morse (or ham radio for that matter ...) Carl - wk3c |
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#2
September 2nd 03, 12:10 PM
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"Carl R. Stevenson" wrote in message ...
"Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote in message hlink.net... "Brian" wrote in message om... "Dick Carroll;" wrote in message ... It isn't on the FCC's website yet but you can read it here.... http://www.eham.net/articles/6371 Enjoy! I thought that FISTS sold themselves as a non-political club? How is sending in a petition a political act? Does that mean when NCI sent in a petition it was political? Or perhaps they were simply following proceedures. Of course participating in the regulatory process is a "political" thing. And yes, FIST's position in the past (and IIRC, their charter) was that they were *not* a politically-oriented group ... just a group that was supposed to foster the *use* of Morse. Right. So where NCI is purposely a politically-oriented group, and behaves accordingly, FISTS is specifically a non-political group who is now behaving politically. Why don't we hear any whining about how FISTS has broken with their charter from the people that are always whining about NCI? Usual PCTA double-standard? |
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#3
September 2nd 03, 09:37 PM
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"Brian" wrote in message om... "Carl R. Stevenson" wrote in message ... "Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote in message hlink.net... "Brian" wrote in message om... "Dick Carroll;" wrote in message ... It isn't on the FCC's website yet but you can read it here.... http://www.eham.net/articles/6371 Enjoy! I thought that FISTS sold themselves as a non-political club? How is sending in a petition a political act? Does that mean when NCI sent in a petition it was political? Or perhaps they were simply following proceedures. Of course participating in the regulatory process is a "political" thing. And yes, FIST's position in the past (and IIRC, their charter) was that they were *not* a politically-oriented group ... just a group that was supposed to foster the *use* of Morse. Right. So where NCI is purposely a politically-oriented group, and behaves accordingly, FISTS is specifically a non-political group who is now behaving politically. Why don't we hear any whining about how FISTS has broken with their charter from the people that are always whining about NCI? Usual PCTA double-standard? Not only a dumb ass, but a knee jerk bleeding heart liberal to boot. Dan/W4NTI |
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#4
September 4th 03, 03:55 AM
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On Tue, 02 Sep 2003 20:37:16 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this
mindspring.com wrote: "Brian" wrote in message . com... "Carl R. Stevenson" wrote in message ... "Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote in message hlink.net... "Brian" wrote in message om... "Dick Carroll;" wrote in message ... It isn't on the FCC's website yet but you can read it here.... http://www.eham.net/articles/6371 Enjoy! I thought that FISTS sold themselves as a non-political club? How is sending in a petition a political act? Does that mean when NCI sent in a petition it was political? Or perhaps they were simply following proceedures. Of course participating in the regulatory process is a "political" thing. And yes, FIST's position in the past (and IIRC, their charter) was that they were *not* a politically-oriented group ... just a group that was supposed to foster the *use* of Morse. Right. So where NCI is purposely a politically-oriented group, and behaves accordingly, FISTS is specifically a non-political group who is now behaving politically. Why don't we hear any whining about how FISTS has broken with their charter from the people that are always whining about NCI? Usual PCTA double-standard? Not only a dumb ass, but a knee jerk bleeding heart liberal to boot. Dan/W4NTI Another logical rebuttal I see. Is the pro code postion this weak or does it just attract people who can't make effective rebuttals? |
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#5
September 2nd 03, 09:36 PM
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"Carl R. Stevenson" wrote in message ... "Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote in message hlink.net... "Brian" wrote in message om... "Dick Carroll;" wrote in message ... It isn't on the FCC's website yet but you can read it here.... http://www.eham.net/articles/6371 Enjoy! I thought that FISTS sold themselves as a non-political club? How is sending in a petition a political act? Does that mean when NCI sent in a petition it was political? Or perhaps they were simply following proceedures. Of course participating in the regulatory process is a "political" thing. And yes, FIST's position in the past (and IIRC, their charter) was that they were *not* a politically-oriented group ... just a group that was supposed to foster the *use* of Morse. And the test is *not* necessary to use Morse ... someone sending slow as they learn (voluntarily, because they *want* to) hurts nobody ... even the ARRL has stated that the best way to learn Morse is on the air. Keeping people off the air until they learn Morse to some specific level of proficiency is counter, not just to the ARS as a whole, but to the *professed* goal of those who want to keep Morse testing. If they'd welcome folks whether they could beep or not, they'd stand a better chance of gaining "recruits" than they do by acting crappy to those who aren't interested in Morse, trying to keep them off of HF, and then complaining that they don't "realize the benefits of Morse." After that sort of treatment, no wonder so many folks aren't interested in Morse (or ham radio for that matter ...) Carl - wk3c Please explain to the audience then, how, one can have basically no knowledge of Morse, then get on the air and try to improve it? You MUST have a rudimentary knowledge, in otherwords something to work with, before one can proceed. I think 5 WPM is a fair requirement. I think total ellimination is equivilant to negotiations with a terrorist organization (NCI). Dan/W4NTI |
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#6
September 3rd 03, 03:14 AM
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"Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote in message thlink.net...
I think total ellimination is equivilant to negotiations with a terrorist organization (NCI). Dan/W4NTI Talk about a dumb ass. He combines Bruce's stupidity with reckless statements. |
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#7
September 3rd 03, 03:19 AM
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Talk about a dumb ass. He combines Bruce's stupidity with reckless
statements. Dumb Ass is someone who lets NCI dictate to them what they can and cant say |
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#8
September 4th 03, 03:57 AM
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#9
September 4th 03, 02:51 AM
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"Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote in message hlink.net... I think total ellimination is equivilant to negotiations with a terrorist organization (NCI). Dan/W4NTI I think that characterization is totally out of line and is equivalent to the "law of usenet" that goes something like "the first one to equate the other to Hitler automatically loses the argument." Carl - wk3c |
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#10
September 4th 03, 11:40 PM
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"Carl R. Stevenson" wrote in message ... "Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote in message hlink.net... I think total ellimination is equivilant to negotiations with a terrorist organization (NCI). Dan/W4NTI I think that characterization is totally out of line and is equivalent to the "law of usenet" that goes something like "the first one to equate the other to Hitler automatically loses the argument." Carl - wk3c I understand your point of view Carl. Down heah in Dixie we call that 'eat up with the dumbass'. Your NCI organization is nothing but a bunch of whinney crybaby lazy me generation morons. You know it, and we know it. Now just go off and whine in your corner. The truth hurts, eh? Dan/W4NTI |
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