(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
In article , (N2EY)
writes:

In article ,
(Len Over 21) writes:

Perhaps FCC will remove all code testing for amateur licenses. I would not be
at all surprised if they did. Or perhaps FCC will retain some form of code
testing for one or more license classes, as has been recommended by W3BE and
others. One thing is clear, though: There is no "OVERWHELMING CLEAR
CONSENSUS" involved.

Yes there is. You just can't stand it so you whine and carry on in denial.

Don't make such a scene in public with your denial whining. It spoils your
image as a long-time superior amateur radio person.

The denial whining is yours, Lennie. Mostly from not having been
accepted as the expert you perceive yourself as being.

The fact still remains that there is a large number of people in
and out of Amateur Radio who see Morse Code testing as important and
relevent to AMATEUR Radio...Not Military, Public Service or
Commercial...A FACT that YOU seem to have a hard time differentiating.

That difficulty stems from your gross lack of experience IN
Amateur Radio as anything other than an armchair quarterback.

Steve, K4YZ

(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
In article , (N2EY)
writes:

In article ,
(Len Over 21) writes:

There are currently 7 petitions for Rule Making at the FCC ECFS...RM-
10781 through RM-10787. As of 10 AM Pacific Time on 8 Sep 03, those
seven RMs had a total of 1,101 documents.

The OVERWHELMING CLEAR CONSENSUS that comes from those
comments is the abolishment of the morse code test for a US amateur
radio license, any class.

Not to anyone who understands what the word "consensus" means. You obviously
don't.

Webster's New World Compact School and Office Dictionary, Prentice-Hall
1989, defines "consensus" as follows:

"1 An opinion held by all or most 2 general agreement esp. in opinion."

And the operative definition is #2.

An examination, observation, or random sampling of the six RMs that have
Comments will show that MOST of the respondents favor eliminating the
code test. MOST to an overwhelming majority.

Have you tallied all of the comments into categories and computed
percentages of each category? I think not. You are simply relating
your impression of what you saw, and you are not an unbiased observer.

"Consensus" is not the same thing as "majority".

Feel free to go into denial of the obvious. Your choice.

I'll leave denial, whining and complaining to you. You're much better
at it. ;-)

However, FCC does not require a consensus in order to make a decision. Nor
does FCC have to enact rules that agree with the majority opinion.

Not being an "insider" to the workings of the FCC as you imply,

I simply report what FCC has done in the past. FCC did not follow
majority opinion on 98-143. The majority wanted at least two code test
speeds.

I'll just go
along with the majority opinions on RM-10781 through RM-10787 as I see
them on the public-access FCC ECFS database.

So if the majority want to keep code testing, you will shut up and go
away? ;-)

Sounds like a promise from you.

Oh wait, you wrote "opinions on RM-10781 through RM-10787 as I see
them". Which means you can simply deny seeing any opposing comments.
And you will. ;-)

Perhaps FCC will remove all code testing for amateur licenses. I would not be
at all surprised if they did. Or perhaps FCC will retain some form of code
testing for one or more license classes, as has been recommended by W3BE and
others. One thing is clear, though: There is no "OVERWHELMING CLEAR
CONSENSUS" involved.

Yes there is.

No, there isn't.

You just can't stand it so you whine and carry on in denial.

I'll leave denial, whining and carrying on to you. You're much better
at it.
;-) ;-) ;-)

Don't make such a scene in public with your denial whining.

Your transference is showing.

It spoils your image as a long-time superior amateur radio person.

Why are you, who styles himself as a long-time superior nonamateur
radio person, so concerned? You get awfully upset when someone
disagrees with you. You just can't deal with diversity of opinion, or
strong opposition to your cherished views.

Jim,

Answer:
1) Click on 'Message'
2) Click on 'Block Sender'
3) Click on 'Yes' to confirm

Works wonders.

--
73 de Bert
WA2SI

"N2EY" wrote in message
om...
(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...
In article ,
(N2EY)
writes:

In article ,

(Len Over 21) writes:

There are currently 7 petitions for Rule Making at the FCC ECFS...RM-
10781 through RM-10787. As of 10 AM Pacific Time on 8 Sep 03,
those
seven RMs had a total of 1,101 documents.

The OVERWHELMING CLEAR CONSENSUS that comes from those
comments is the abolishment of the morse code test for a US amateur
radio license, any class.

Not to anyone who understands what the word "consensus" means. You
obviously
don't.

Webster's New World Compact School and Office Dictionary,
Prentice-Hall
1989, defines "consensus" as follows:

"1 An opinion held by all or most 2 general agreement esp. in
opinion."

And the operative definition is #2.

An examination, observation, or random sampling of the six RMs that
have
Comments will show that MOST of the respondents favor eliminating the
code test. MOST to an overwhelming majority.

Have you tallied all of the comments into categories and computed
percentages of each category? I think not. You are simply relating
your impression of what you saw, and you are not an unbiased observer.

"Consensus" is not the same thing as "majority".

Feel free to go into denial of the obvious. Your choice.

I'll leave denial, whining and complaining to you. You're much better
at it. ;-)

However, FCC does not require a consensus in order to make a decision.
Nor
does FCC have to enact rules that agree with the majority opinion.

Not being an "insider" to the workings of the FCC as you imply,

I simply report what FCC has done in the past. FCC did not follow
majority opinion on 98-143. The majority wanted at least two code test
speeds.

I'll just go
along with the majority opinions on RM-10781 through RM-10787 as I
see
them on the public-access FCC ECFS database.

So if the majority want to keep code testing, you will shut up and go
away? ;-)

Sounds like a promise from you.

Oh wait, you wrote "opinions on RM-10781 through RM-10787 as I see
them". Which means you can simply deny seeing any opposing comments.
And you will. ;-)

Perhaps FCC will remove all code testing for amateur licenses. I would
not be
at all surprised if they did. Or perhaps FCC will retain some form of
code
testing for one or more license classes, as has been recommended by
W3BE and
others. One thing is clear, though: There is no "OVERWHELMING CLEAR
CONSENSUS" involved.

Yes there is.

No, there isn't.

You just can't stand it so you whine and carry on in denial.

I'll leave denial, whining and carrying on to you. You're much better
at it.
;-) ;-) ;-)

Don't make such a scene in public with your denial whining.

Your transference is showing.

It spoils your image as a long-time superior amateur radio person.

Why are you, who styles himself as a long-time superior nonamateur
radio person, so concerned? You get awfully upset when someone
disagrees with you. You just can't deal with diversity of opinion, or
strong opposition to your cherished views.

In article , "Dick Carroll;"
writes:

JJ wrote:

Len Over 21 wrote:



Incorrect. The word "dipole" refers to anything with two elements and
a
polarity. [a "monopole" is a single element with no polarity]

A dipole ANTENNA refers to a wire type having two elements of wires,
balanced-fed from the center with RF voltage in opposition.

The length of this dipole antenna may be ANY length, from
near-infinitesimal
(fractional wavelength) to many wavelengths.

The radiation pattern of the dipole antenna will vary based on many
factors:
length relative to wavelength, distance above ground or other
imperfect
conductor being the two most affecting patterns.

Len is correct, dipole simply means two separate elements (di
means two). A dipole of a certain length will be a half
wavelength at xx frequency, a quarter wavelength at yy
frequency and a full wavelength at zz frequency and so on.

OK jj, kindly give us ONE example of a 1/4 wave dipole.....

A 40m half-wave dipole used on 80m... :-)

LHA

In article ,
(Brian) writes:

I do hope you mean the test is insanely simple and the privileges insanely
high for the level of testing done.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Sorry.

The tested material is insanely technical and the privs are insanely
high for an entry level license.

Go do some historical research and see what the Novice material
consisted of, pre-Novice Enhancement.

Go do some historical research and see what the Novice *privileges* consisted
of, pre-Novice Enhancement.

Now that's an entry level license.

You said it, Brian.