(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...

No natural disaster cause. Still under investigation, but likely cause
is eastern POOR PLANNING and OPERATION.

Or it could be that the power grid up there pre-dates the
electric grids anywhere else in the United States by several decades
and is in need of replacement.

It's a lot easier to build something better than the other guy
when you have his errors to learn from.

Being in second place has SOME advantages.

Steve, K4YZ

(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...

In article , (Dennis
Ferguson) writes:

Dee D. Flint wrote:

"Clint" rattlehead@computronDOTnet wrote in message

"Kim W5TIT" wrote in message

"N2EY" wrote in message

All of that snipped because most intelligent people don't need to
see quotes of quotes of quotes in order to follow the topic.

Thank you for that, Dennis!

I can only add that our Southern California DWP...(SNIP)

Yet again caught violating his own dogma.

What did this have to do with "Amateur Radio POLICY", Lennie...Or
have YOU forgotten "the charter" of what the NG is supposed to be
about...

Or are we just yet-again victim of the "Do As I Say Not Do As I
Do" rhetoric of a newsgroup antagonist...?!?!

Sheesh. You make this soooooooooo easy.

Steve, K4YZ

"Len Over 21" wrote:

Isabel promises death, destruction, and terror for
all the USA according to the major news sources.


Well, in spite of the media hype, Isabel certainly ended up being not much
of a storm. Compared to some of the previous hurricanes to hit this area,
the damage was very light. Since most boaters in the area have a healthy
respect for hurricanes, the Coast Guard didn't receive a single distress
call. Furthermore, based on what I saw driving up the coast yesterday
afternoon, it appears most boats in the area made it through the storm
without any major damage (and only a few homes or commercial buildings were
damaged).


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

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"Dwight Stewart" wrote in message
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"Dee D. Flint" wrote:

I've lived in Seattle. Too little sun and almost no wind.
According to a book I was reading when I wanted to
build a greenhouse, windloading is not a consideration
there as it has the lowest winds in the country.


Wind turbines don't have to be located in the back yard of the Safeco
Field, Dee (Safeco Field replaced the King Dome). They can be placed on
the
other side of Puget Sound, where there is plenty of wind. Another
alternative is some of the islands north of Seattle at the mouth of the
Sound (also plenty of wind).


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/



How much land will be used to build enough turbines to power Seattle and the
surrounding suburbs? And the other side of Puget Sound doesn't have "plenty
of wind". It's higher than Seattle but still much lower than many other
areas of the country.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

"Dwight Stewart" wrote in message thlink.net...
"Len Over 21" wrote:

Isabel promises death, destruction, and terror for
all the USA according to the major news sources.


Well, in spite of the media hype, Isabel certainly ended up being not much
of a storm. Compared to some of the previous hurricanes to hit this area,
the damage was very light. Since most boaters in the area have a healthy
respect for hurricanes, the Coast Guard didn't receive a single distress
call. Furthermore, based on what I saw driving up the coast yesterday
afternoon, it appears most boats in the area made it through the storm
without any major damage (and only a few homes or commercial buildings were
damaged).


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/

Dwight, your assessment won't stop FEMA from delivering millions of
dollars in emergency aid so that people can get their carpets
shampooed and a new set of trash cans.

"Brian" wrote:

Dwight, your assessment won't stop FEMA from
delivering millions of dollars in emergency aid so
that people can get their carpets shampooed and
a new set of trash cans.


Especially after the news reporters spiced up the stories for the cameras.
Did you pay attention to some of the broadcasts? Some of those reporters
were acting like the world was coming to an end.

The one that had me laughing the most was the woman holding onto the huge
cement flower pot as she talked about being blown away if she didn't hold
on. While all this was going on, her thin nylon windbreaker was hardly
moving. I saw the same reporter later hanging onto a light pole, again with
her clothing hardly moving in the wind.

Another funny moment happened towards the beginning of the storm. The
reporter was talking about how the area looks "like a ghost town," just as a
bunch of teenagers passed behind him playing catch with a football.

And, now, the same reporters are out searching for that one damaged
building, that one fallen tree, that one flooded street, in a mostly
undamaged area, to put on the evening news like that is the typical
situation throughout the path of the storm. It would all be hilarious if it
wasn't for the bad impression it creates elsewhere (and the mostly
unnecessary disaster aid it garnishes).


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/

In article k.net, "Dwight
Stewart" writes:

"Len Over 21" wrote:

The FIRST Tacoma Narrows bridge was designed
WITHOUT sufficient thought about sparse, elegant-
looking minimal structures acting as airfoils during high
winds. At the time of construction, the first Tacoma
Narrows bridge was the third-longest single span in the
world. It was open for nearly a year and developed
such severe oscillation (as a result of the airfoil effects)
that it was dubbed "Galloping Gertie." :-)

The high winds in the Narrows region proved too
much for it in the 1940s just before WW2 and it went
into catastrophic structural oscillation. It was rebuilt a
decade later and has remained standing for half a
century. Tacoma Narrows bridge is a major passageway
for vehicular traffic from the Kitsap County to the
Tacoma city region but, at two lanes each way, has
become too crowded for modern traffic. A third Narrows
bridge, adjacent to the second, is planned to begin
construction in the near future. The second Tacoma
Narrows bridge still retains a little windsock at each end
and warning signs about High Winds affecting both
bicyclists and pedestrians. Every once in a while a high-
box trailer will begin fish-tailing while crossing and may
temporarily disrupt traffic, all due to high winds.

Good grief, Len. You sound like a tour guide.

Blame Gig Harbor then. :-) They have a tiny micro-museum there, only
three rooms, one of which featuring the Narrows bridges. Free entrance.

Actually, we lived in Tacoma
for about four years (mid-70's) before heading overseas to Germany and lived
in Bremerton for about a year and a half just a few years ago. I've drove
across that bridge many, many, times. When we lived in Tacoma, we used to
walk our dog on the beach under the bridge occasionally (on the side
opposite Tacoma - a fairly popular spot for nude and topless sunbathers at
that time). We used to park at the observation point on that side of the
bridge (there was a plaque there with much of the information you gave
above).

Never inspected the plaque (my dentist scraped it off...). Things have
changed more since construction on the highways leading up to the
Tacoma side has been completed.

The bridge was much more interesting in the mid-70's. At that time, the
side walls were cross-crossed metal strips allowing for a fairly
unobstructed view of the surrounding area and water below. In addition, the
roadway surface was open grating, allowing one to look straight down to the
water directly below the bridge. Today, the side walls are solid steel
plates and the roadway grating has been replaced with asphalt.

Really? Then its been remodeled since the 70s. Wife and I have
driven over it many a time also, but we can see the Narrows on both
sides from a compact wagon. Bridge roadway is both grating and
concrete now with what appears as non-slip asphalt surfacing?

What I think more interesting is the western side of the Narrows
bridge with three HV lines spanning the Narrows in a single run, each
about a mile in length. No catenaries, just the lines. They've been
there for years surviving many a windstorm. Easy to see them from
the bridge.

We'll have to cease talking territorially here, Dwight. This newsgroup is
only for railroading, gunnery, east-coasties-pumping-their-hoagietowns,
and general demeaning denigrations of no-coders by mighty macho
morsemen pounding their, er, keys. :-)

LHA

"Len Over 21" wrote:

(snip) We'll have to cease talking territorially here, Dwight. (snip)


Agreed. This newsgroup eats up too much of my time even without the side
discussions.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

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