Clint wrote:


DICK, what was past is past.


My grandfather (God rest his soul, he passed away
7 years ago) lived to the ripe old age of 87. Every now
and then he'd get really drunk on vodka, and then go
into a past-recalling delirium where he'd keep talking
about the need to have a horse and buggy give you a
ride if you wanted to make it back into his neck of
the woods all the way from the main road.

The next morning he'd sober up and find himself back
in the modern day era. The horse and buggy were long
gone.

I always love a tale which attempts to impart a message. In this one,
we learned that your grandad was a drunk.

Dave K8MN

In article , "Arnie Macy"
writes:

"Len Over 21" wrote in part ...

I snipped theother droll parts, but this I found interesting

According to the US Census Bureau, there are over 100 million cellular
telephone subscribers in the USA. There are over 150 million "hard-wired"
telephones in the USA. What is the point of your little "viable technology"
diatribe? And why in the hell aren't you OUT THERE being ten kinds of EM
manager with impending doom/disaster from Isabel?
_________________________________________________ __________________

My point exactly, Len. Why waste all that money on hard-wired technology
when we have nearly as many wireless phones already. Put that archaic
technology to bed, right? Isn't that your mantra?

No. I just want to toss the morse code test in the dumpster where it
rightfully belongs.

As to technology, you seem to think that anything invented/discovered
after 1933 as "high tech."

You've proved yourself woefully IGNORANT of radio technology twice today
by claiming "SSB is 103 years old."

This isn't 1912 and the year of the Titanic disaster. Radio has improved
since then. Most radio amateurs have improved since then. You don't
seem to have learned anything correctly.

And once again, I really do appreciate your concern for my job performance.
I'll make sure to tell my boss that you asked. :-)

I'm not "concerned" about your "job performance." If you are taking money
from the USA for your "EMA" task, then I'd say you are busy Fleecing
America. Here you are claiming all that "hard work" and you are busy
Internetting while Isabel makes landfall.

You are a half century behind on demonstrated knowledge of radio
technology and what you have learned seems to be all wrong as far as
chronology is involved.

LHA

In article , "Arnie Macy"
writes:

"Len Over 21" wrote in part ...

You KNOW all elmers personally, right? Why don't YOU continue to alienate
and denigrate all the others who have been on HF much longer than you, who
have worked HF comm 24/7 longer than you've been alive? Since you aren't
out getting ready for emergency work on Isabel, why don't you start a
petition for an RM with the FCC to make the 'ARS' the Archaic
RadioTELEGRAPHY Service.
_________________________________________________ ________________

What in the world are you talking about, Len?

The Archaic Radiotelegraphy Service, better known as the "ARS."

You are such an important "EMA" or whatever during a major
hurricane and you are playing in the newsgroup?


BTW, thanks for mentioning Isabel. We *have* been working very hard
tracking her and making preliminary preparations for a possible evacuation.

You are now in NOAA?

Good grief, there's no end to the stories you make up.

Fortunately, we didn't have to implement them this time around.

Why don't you PRACTICE?

Keep up those morse skills. Be ready to deflect the hurricanes with
rapid-fire 20 WPM code! Save lives and property by being radio
amateurs! Get mentioned in the ARRL newsletter.

And get forgotten by the major press even now IN the path of Isabel
reporting and using newfangled communications equipment called
"portable television" and "satellite communications."

But thanks for caring about my job. It's touching, really.

I care less what you do.

You've made so much BS in here about your professional amateurism
that there's no believing what you say. I doubt you were ever an Army
civilian doing criminal investigation.

By all means, keep up with the Living Museum of Morse and Radio-
telegraphy.

It must please you greatly to keep the ARS DUMBED DOWN at the
standards and practices of 70 years ago.

LHA

In article , "Arnie Macy"
writes:

"Len Over 21" wrote ...

Macy, almost ALL your arguments are superfluous, denigratory, and without a
shred of merit in here. All you do is promote myths of "CW" as if this was
still the 1930s.
_________________________________________________ ________

Are you Clint's Daddy?

No. You have a ******* offspring?

I was hoping that *he* would answer the question.

Well "he" did.

What's the matter, sweetums, can't handle two at one time?

Too fast for your limited 20 WPM BS throughput?

I will say this, though. He sure does admire you.

Sorry, ******* parrent, Clint and I are not related.

We happen to agree on tossing morse code testing in the dumpster where
it belongs. So do thousands of others.

Are you sure y'all aren't related?

We are "related" as much as you and I are "related."

You never did look into a deployed brigade or regiment signal center
when you were working (as a civilian) for the US Army.

Never did have the guts to look in, did you?

You still haven't answered why you are busy Internetting when your
mighty macho morsemanship is so sorely needed in hurrican emergency
comms.

LHA

In article , "Arnie Macy"
writes:

"Len Over 21" wrote in part ...

Absolutely NOTHING about single side band (sic), amplified modulation
(sic) and RTTY until the 1900s.

That would make those modes about 103 years old, Len. At what point do we
start to consider them outdated?

When did the "amateur expert" Arnie Macy last take an amateur radio test?

Since I'm a VE -- I looked at the current material about a week ago.

You didn't answer my question.

Not unexpected.

VEs don't take tests. They just proctor them.


Now, why in the hell aren't you OUT THERE as an EM person getting ready for
Isabel's destructive landfall? We can't read about Macy's marvelous savings
of the day through ham band OOK CW on the ARRL news page if you don't get
off the Internet and be ready for all those disasterous emergencies.

Well, I must say that I have been quite busy for the past two weeks.

Not too busy to play in the newsgroup...bragging up a storm.

The
initial track of the storm was not looking very good for the SE United
States. Fortunately for us, we were able to miss the bullet on this one.

I've just seen some various network news video of reporters out IN
the Isabel landfall area using all the newfangled video and radio and
stuff that you must think "won't work" in a storm.

Of course you know that we *did* use that old stand-by Morse Code when Floyd
came calling in 1999.

Of course you did, saved hundreds, thousands of lives and property by
using high-speed morse to deflect Floyd.

Any more mythology you want to repeat?

SSB (you know, that 103 year old technology) was just
not cutting it, so we went to CW until the condx improved.

You are technically ignorant senior.

"SSB" in radio dates from about 1930 so it is merely 70 years old.

Amateurs never really used it on any large scale until after 1950, that
being 50 years ago.

It's kinda hard to talk with someone 250 miles away on a handi-talkie.

Not a problem, poor baby. You've never done any Space Station
or Shuttle contacts with an HT, have you?

Couldn't connect your morse key to an HT, senior?

LHA

"Len Over 21" wrote in part ...

I care less what you do. You've made so much BS in here about your
professional amateurism that there's no believing what you say. I doubt you
were ever an Army civilian doing criminal investigation.
__________________________________________________ ____________

Actually I think you care a great deal about what I do since you mention it
in every one of your replies to me. It must really frost you that I've been
successful at everything I've ever done -- including Emergency Management
(apparently you've failed at many things along the way) If you doubt my
credentials, feel free to read the article on my web site that was done by
the local paper when I was appointed as director for EM. Then verify the
sources. As for you -- since you *still* can't reply without being the
insulting obnoxious petty bore you've always been, its back to the killfile.
To be honest, I'd much rather exchange views with Bill Sohl -- at least he
makes cogent debatable arguments from his side of the isle.

Arnie -
KT4ST

www.qsl.net/kt4st/ema.htm

"Clint" rattlehead@computronDOTnet wrote in message
...

Very difficult? Oh please. I passed all three tests (5, 13, 20) with
10
of
10 right on the written and solid copy for each.

AH, so it's EASY? SIMPLE? hah, proof then there's no point. Other
hams kept saying it was a discipline of selftraining, and you just said
it was as breeze. Well, if it's a natural as breathing air, then, no need
to test it.

End of discussion.

It's SO easy :)

Clint
KB5ZHT



It's easy if one puts in the time to learn. The discipline comes in
allocating the time and using it correctly. If one stops prematurely, they
fail. If one uses the time ineffectively, they fail.

All one is doing in "learning code" is training a reflex. This is very easy
but it just takes time.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Dick Carroll wrote in message ...
Robert wrote:

"Dick Carroll" wrote

I am capable of passing any sort of radio traffic by way of
radiotelgraphy,

I'd like to see you pass a weather satellite photo fax via
radiotelegraphy....

Uh,, Bob, that isn't traffic, It's *data*. I guess if you were really
familiar with radio
you;d know that, wouldn't you?

Uhhh, DICK, you should know that weather data can be passed via many
modes, and that satellite imagery is referred to as wefax or wxsat.

Typically, what is called "DATA" is RTTY.

But all that is old technology. Today, we get our weather via
wideband, though you're free to play with UKMO and NAM transmissions.

which I learned as a requirement of my licensure as a
ham radio operator. There is no reason for you to be exempted from the
same.

Well, at least you finally admit that it's "I had to do it, you
should too."

The difference is, I know why. You obviously don't.

Couldn't be much of a difference since you obviously don't know why.
And I know why you don't. You're simply ignorant about weather comms.
Stick to things you know, such as CW and more CW. When you're done
talking about CW, you could switch to Morse so you don't sound like a
broken record.

And FWIW, radar image intensity bulletins used to be transmitted via
tty, and the receiver had to plot it on a predetermined overlay for
that particular radar station. So the concept is there for satellite
data transmission, but was never implemented. So go and create a
satellite overlay grid, then encode satellite IR temps (if you can),
and get cracking on Robert's idea.

See, you CAN use CW to send useful information rather than just ARRL
numbergrams.

73, Brian

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
Clint wrote:


DICK, what was past is past.


My grandfather (God rest his soul, he passed away
7 years ago) lived to the ripe old age of 87. Every now
and then he'd get really drunk on vodka, and then go
into a past-recalling delirium where he'd keep talking
about the need to have a horse and buggy give you a
ride if you wanted to make it back into his neck of
the woods all the way from the main road.

The next morning he'd sober up and find himself back
in the modern day era. The horse and buggy were long
gone.

I always love a tale which attempts to impart a message. In this one,
we learned that your grandad was a drunk.

Dave K8MN

And that many a PCTA behave as if they were.

"Robert" wrote in message
...

"Dick Carroll" wrote

which I learned as a requirement of my licensure as a
ham radio operator. There is no reason for you to be exempted from the
same.

Well, at least you finally admit that it's "I had to do it, you
should too."



well i'll beeee..... , you're RIGHT!

Didn't figure he had the guts.

Clint
KB5ZHT

--


Facts are to socialists what crosses are to vampires

--

AH!

we've finally gotten to the personal character attacks.

You must have already conceded defeat. That's the only
thing one can conclude when the ideas and facts stop
flowing and the insults start flying.

Clint
KB5ZHT



--

Facts are to socialists what crosses are to vampires

--

"Arnie Macy" wrote in message
...
"Len Over 21" wrote ...

Macy, almost ALL your arguments are superfluous, denigratory, and without
a
shred of merit in here. All you do is promote myths of "CW" as if this
was
still the 1930s.
__________________________________________________ _______

Are you Clint's Daddy? I was hoping that *he* would answer the question.
I
will say this, though. He sure does admire you. Are you sure y'all
aren't
related?

Arnie -

"Clint" rattlehead@computronDOTnet wrote in message
...


The scary bit is if you keep applying logic to this argument, it
just keeps getting wierder.

no, you just keep getting angrier because the modern-world hams
in here and elsewhere refute your (non)logic and continue to work
toward eliminating CW testing

Uhm, we're on the same side on that matter. I was pointing out how
the PCTA argument devolves.


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Bill Sohl wrote:

Most emergency operations don't even need or use HF.
All of yesterday's activity for Hurricane Isabel was VHF/UHF
for local and county operations.

Think beyond local and county operations, Bill. Here in West Virginia
there were HF operations on both 40 and 75m.

Dave K8MN

In article , "Arnie Macy"
writes:

"Len Over 21" wrote in part ...

I care less what you do. You've made so much BS in here about your
professional amateurism that there's no believing what you say. I doubt you
were ever an Army civilian doing criminal investigation.
_________________________________________________ _____________

Actually I think you care a great deal about what I do since you mention it
in every one of your replies to me.

I just think you are one of the usual morseman BS artists in here.

It must really frost you that I've been
successful at everything I've ever done -- including Emergency Management
(apparently you've failed at many things along the way)

You've been "successful at everything you've done?"

What have you "done" other than acquiring titles?

What have I "failed at many times along the way?"

I started out working as an industrial illustrator, then switched to
electronics engineering in 1958. Did engineering full time until
retirement. I have a nice income, a wonderful wife (who was my steady
girl friend in high school), a fully-paid-for house in Southern California
and another, also fully-paid-for house in Washington state (that one on
5 acres).

I've never tried to "get" any amateur radio license. Had a commercial
radio license since 1956. Having done 3 years of Big Time long-distance
24/7 HF communications in the military, I have no interest in "working DX
from my home station."


If you doubt my
credentials, feel free to read the article on my web site that was done by
the local paper when I was appointed as director for EM.

I'm sure you can get all sorts of "credentials." :-)

But, what have you DONE besides acquire credentials?

Then verify the
sources. As for you -- since you *still* can't reply without being the
insulting obnoxious petty bore you've always been, its back to the killfile.

So, you think it is "okay" to be the insulting obnoxious petty bore
who has an amateur license but you object to all of us who don't
have an amateur license?

Sure looks that way to me and many others, Ah-nold.

To be honest, I'd much rather exchange views with Bill Sohl -- at least he
makes cogent debatable arguments from his side of the isle.

When I see "cogent debate" from yourself, sans the snarly sarcasm of
the codified royal classes attitude from yourself, I'll be more than happy
to do REAL debate with you, Ah-nold.

You can't do it. Have never done it.

Surprise us with a first for yourself and lay off the "morsemen are
superior beings" bull**** and you can get some "cogent debate."

Happy credentialism.

LHA

"Dave Heil" wrote in message
...
Bill Sohl wrote:

Most emergency operations don't even need or use HF.
All of yesterday's activity for Hurricane Isabel was VHF/UHF
for local and county operations.

Think beyond local and county operations, Bill. Here in West Virginia
there were HF operations on both 40 and 75m.

So be it then. This issue is about
a CW test requirement anyway...not whether you want to use
CW in your local area for emergency comms.

Cheers,
Bill K2UNK

"Dick Carroll" wrote in message
...


Brian wrote:

Dick Carroll wrote in message
...
Robert wrote:

"Dick Carroll" wrote

I am capable of passing any sort of radio traffic by way of
radiotelgraphy,

I'd like to see you pass a weather satellite photo fax via
radiotelegraphy....

Uh,, Bob, that isn't traffic, It's *data*. I guess if you were really
familiar with radio
you;d know that, wouldn't you?

Uhhh, DICK, you should know that weather data can be passed via many
modes, and that satellite imagery is referred to as wefax or wxsat.

Typically, what is called "DATA" is RTTY.

No, Brian, digital information that is not analog voice is generally known
as data
tansmission.

Not true. There is an incredible amount of digital "traffic" that is
actually
voice. Voice over IP, Voice over ATM, traditional PCM encoded voice, etc.
Once digitized, voice traffic isn't any different than any other digital
information (i.e. data).

Additionally, the term "traffic" is generic as to type/content and
does include any/all types of information transfer...voice, text, video,
image, etc.

Cheers,
Bill K2UNK

"Clint" wrote ...

AH! we've finally gotten to the personal character attacks. You must have
already conceded defeat. That's the only thing one can conclude when the
ideas and facts stop flowing and the insults start flying.
__________________________________________________ _______________

Don't flatter yourself, Clint. The comment was directed to Len. You, OTOH,
haven't responded to the comment except for making some superfluous remark
about defeat where there is none. In doing so, you make my point for me.

Arnie -
KT4ST

"Clint" rattlehead@computronDOTnet wrote in message ...

And that many a PCTA behave as if they were.

BINGO!
along with people who live in the past.

Clint
KB5ZHT

They just don't get it. They don't get much at all.

Dick Carroll wrote in message ...
Well, Brainiac, here it is, straight from the horses a....er. .....mouth-

Keith sed...
On 16 Sep 2003 02:46:25 GMT,
Alun Palmer in wrote:
EI is the 7th country to abolish code testing by my reckoning

Don't fret Alun, by the time the USA approves of no
more morse code testing the bands will be destroyed
by BPL. You can quote me on that.


So I guess you guys will get your code free bands just in time.
Gee, things have a way of evening out.......for decades you "wouldn't",
now you "couldn't"...Poor baby!

DICK, I've always been a coded ham. You're statements do noting but
reveal your dementia.

"Clint" rattlehead@computronDOTnet wrote in message
...

It's easy if one puts in the time to learn. The discipline comes in
allocating the time and using it correctly. If one stops prematurely,
they
fail. If one uses the time ineffectively, they fail.

great! then those who want to use CW should allocate the time and use
it correctly to learn the discipline of CW.

Those who have no use for it and don't plan in it, shouldn't have it
shoved
down thier throats.

NEXT?!?!?!?!

Clint
KB5ZHT

Please note that my reply, in this case, was not an argument either for or
against keeping the CW testing. It was simply a comment on learning.
Therefore your response is irrelevant to this particular comment. If you
wish to debate effectively, responses need to be related to the statement.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Robert wrote:
"Clint" rattlehead@computronDOTnet wrote in message
...

The scary bit is if you keep applying logic to this argument, it
just keeps getting wierder.

no, you just keep getting angrier because the modern-world hams
in here and elsewhere refute your (non)logic and continue to work
toward eliminating CW testing


Uhm, we're on the same side on that matter. I was pointing out how
the PCTA argument devolves.

I thought NCTA's were the nice guys in this discussion.

- Mike KB3EIA -

"Brian" wrote in message
om...
Dick Carroll wrote in message
...
Well, Brainiac, here it is, straight from the horses a....er.
......mouth-

Keith sed...
On 16 Sep 2003 02:46:25 GMT,
Alun Palmer in wrote:
EI is the 7th country to abolish code testing by my reckoning

Don't fret Alun, by the time the USA approves of no
more morse code testing the bands will be destroyed
by BPL. You can quote me on that.


So I guess you guys will get your code free bands just in time.
Gee, things have a way of evening out.......for decades you "wouldn't",
now you "couldn't"...Poor baby!

DICK, I've always been a coded ham. You're statements do noting but
reveal your dementia.

Someone sent me an email and said the Waddles, while spouting off something
about dumbness, in the same sentence said that I was one of those
dumbed-down GENERALS!!!!

Dementia, hell, these guys need their medication!

Kim W5TIT

So be it then. This issue is about
a CW test requirement anyway...not whether you want to use
CW in your local area for emergency comms.

Cheers,
Bill K2UNK



EXATCLY. The problem is that the PCTA crowd refuses to
split the two issues; they are attempting to force it to a "ALL
CW OR NOTHING" debate, and it's not so.

I use cw; my first several QSL cards were from CW contacts.
I enjoy it from time to time. I never said it should never be
used or done away with.

I have only said that testing one's skill at it no longer necessary.

Clint
KB5ZHT

nope, he didn't.
that was what I was drawing an analogy to... that, and PCTA'ers
living in the past.

Clint
KB5ZHT.



Dave, he's way past that. Now he's writing between the lines.

I thought NCTA's were the nice guys in this discussion.

- Mike KB3EIA -


you better take that back!
just kidding...


Clint
KB5ZHT

OH, I doubt that very seriously.
You made that comment free of slant in either direction? in a
discussion of pro/con referring to CW testing, and you're placing
a post saying "oh, it's so easy, just take the time and do it",
and it's suppose to be "free of spin"?

please sell me some ocean front property in kansas while
you're at it.

Clint
KB5ZHT


"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message
. com...


Please note that my reply, in this case, was not an argument either for or
against keeping the CW testing. It was simply a comment on learning.
Therefore your response is irrelevant to this particular comment. If you
wish to debate effectively, responses need to be related to the statement.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

"Arnie Macy" wrote in message
...
"Clint" wrote ...

AH! we've finally gotten to the personal character attacks. You must
have
already conceded defeat. That's the only thing one can conclude when the
ideas and facts stop flowing and the insults start flying.
__________________________________________________ _______________

Don't flatter yourself, Clint. The comment was directed to Len. You,
OTOH,
haven't responded to the comment except for making some superfluous remark
about defeat where there is none. In doing so, you make my point for me.

Arnie -
KT4ST



don't flatter YOURSELF, arnie... I made that comment without personal
reference
to myself.. it was merely the fact that you have switched to a personal
attack that
I was drawing attention to. Heh, nice try though.

And, that is where you scored NO points.



Clint
KB5ZHT

--

--

Facts are to socialists what crosses are to vampires

--

Hey, Arnie! If "personal character attacks are an admission of defeat,
why don't you ask Clint about calling us N***'s? He must really be
admitting defeat if he both calls us that *and* invokes Godwin's law.

- Mike KB3EIA -


and just fill in the blanks as to what a N*** is, and we'll see if
I was guilty of calling you an inflammatory and insulting name.

Clint
KB5ZHT

"Arnie Macy" wrote in message
...


No, we get it alright.

well, obviously you did not.

Your arguments are absurd.

that IS what "reductio ad absurdum" is.

Clint
KB5ZHT

Yes a post stating what it takes to learn CW and stating causes of failure
is indeed free of spin. If I had wanted to discuss the pro/cons of CW, as I
have in other posts, I would have done so.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

"Clint" rattlehead@computronDOTnet wrote in message
...
OH, I doubt that very seriously.
You made that comment free of slant in either direction? in a
discussion of pro/con referring to CW testing, and you're placing
a post saying "oh, it's so easy, just take the time and do it",
and it's suppose to be "free of spin"?

please sell me some ocean front property in kansas while
you're at it.

Clint
KB5ZHT


"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message
. com...


Please note that my reply, in this case, was not an argument either for
or
against keeping the CW testing. It was simply a comment on learning.
Therefore your response is irrelevant to this particular comment. If
you
wish to debate effectively, responses need to be related to the
statement.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

"Clint" wrote ...

and just fill in the blanks as to what a N*** is, and we'll see if I was
guilty of calling you an inflammatory and insulting name.
__________________________________________________ ________

My Polish ancestors know very well what the word "Nazi" means. Many of them
met the real ones sixty years ago and didn't survive. You seem to use the
word with abandon, without having a single clue as to what it *really*
means, and to whom it refers.

Arnie -
KT4ST

Arnie Macy wrote:
"Mike Coslo" wrote ...

Hey, Arnie! If "personal character attacks are an admission of defeat, why
don't you ask Clint about calling us N***'s? He must really be admitting
defeat if he both calls us that *and* invokes Godwin's law.
__________________________________________________ ____________

Many of my ancestors met the "real" Nazis and never survived. I think too
many people (including Clint) use the term without really knowing what
implication it truly has. As to me admitting defeat, he is just exercising
wishful thinking.

Yup, no one who had any real dealing with them personally, or through
family would ever spout that off. That's why Godwin's law is what it is.

We can have plenty of fun in here arguing with each other without
resorting to that.

Think about it Clint.

- Mike KB3EIA -

My Polish ancestors know very well what the word "Nazi" means. Many of
them
met the real ones sixty years ago and didn't survive. You seem to use the
word with abandon, without having a single clue as to what it *really*
means, and to whom it refers.

Arnie -
KT4ST


AH, that was what you were referring to... well, youre definition of
"abandon"
seems to differ from mine, as I used it once and only once and that was
referring to the really extreme, hardline CW pro-testing crowd.

Um, you said your polish ANCESTORS knew the national socialists in wwII
germany... as in, not *you*... so, therefore, I will assume you don't know
what it *really* means, nor do you have a clue or to whom it refers;
by the very same definition; therefore, YOU are disqualified as the
judge of same.

If you have been hiding in a cave for the last many years and didn't bring
yourself out into the sunlight and fresh oxegen long enough to know
what the reference means, then i'll educate you. It was a symbolic
reference to any group, such as the brown shirts of the aforementioned
group, and ultimately the national socialist party itself that ascended to
power, of ramming thier radical ideas down people throats without
regard to anything but it's own desire and wishes, no matter how
useful, unuseful or down right malevolent.

/education

Clint
KB5ZHT

Many of my ancestors met the "real" Nazis and never survived. I think too
many people (including Clint) use the term without really knowing what
implication it truly has. As to me admitting defeat, he is just
exercising
wishful thinking.

Arnie -
KT4ST


well, this argument, like all of the PCTA arguments, is easy to knock over
the fence and make a home run out of... right out of the ballpark, so here
goes...

if you want to claim knowledge and right of discussion on a matter due to
your lineage OR your association proximity to somebody that actually
MET a person/group/insert noun of choice, then allow me to
inform you that I had an uncle that actually served in the european theater
as well as one that served in the south pacific against the japanese.
A little closer to me in age than a grandfather, greatgrandfather, or third
cousin twice removed on your mother's side sevearl generations back
by marriage to the local meat butcher or whatever. Until the passing
of my uncle who served in europe (and god bless, didn't get killed),
I was able to speak directly to him on the matter and got first hand
knowledge.

And know for one more bit of educational matter, if your cranium has
the capacity to absorb data at this rate..... if the learning process
of the human race were limited to contemporary times, and there
were no history books (as socialists would love dream of), and
there were no processes by which a person could be educated
to more than his 5 senses could teach him, than civilization could
not exist; we would never advance to one digree, to the nth degree,
to NO point whatsoever if the learning process weren't available
to us to discover that which we haven't found to be true
with our own experience. You would not be aware that this is
but one planet in a 9-planet solar system; that one hundred
million plus one hundred million equals TWO hundred million...
or any other fact or detail that could not be learned in a single
solatary person's lifetime on thier own.

So don't try to claim that a person can't know anything unless
he or she saw it for themselves, and couldn't learn it through
thier elders. It quickly makes you appear as though you don't
understand the process of education and, therefore, must
have NONE yourself.

Clint
KB5ZHT

Wow, I never knew that. Thanks for the lesson. /sarcasm


your welcome.

/sarcasm

"Clint" wrote in part ...

If you have been hiding in a cave for the last many years and didn't bring
yourself out into the sunlight and fresh oxegen long enough to know what the
reference means, then i'll educate you. It was a symbolic reference to any
group, such as the brown shirts of the aforementioned group, and ultimately
the national socialist party itself that ascended to power, of ramming thier
radical ideas down people throats without regard to anything but it's own
desire and wishes, no matter how useful, unuseful or down right malevolent.
__________________________________________________ __________________

What a complete and total jerk you are. If you had even one shred of
decency, or you had family members that had died at the hands of the Nazis
(as I have) -- you would *never* use the term in the above context.

Arnie -
KT4ST

Clint, not only can Dave be the smuggest of PCTAs on r.r.a.p., but he
has a certain penchant for obtuseness. He is a master of not
understanding whatever it is that isn't going his way.

Brian

"Clint" rattlehead@computronDOTnet wrote in message ...
actually, it was my tale and he correctly read
between the lines; he knew EXACTLY what
I was meaning to say.

Clint
KB5ZHT


Not so, Farnsworth. There is nothing about a PCTA in the tale anywhere.
You continue to do your reading between the lines.

Dave K8MN

Dick Carroll wrote in message ...
Brian wrote:

Dick Carroll wrote in message ...
Robert wrote:

"Dick Carroll" wrote

I am capable of passing any sort of radio traffic by way of
radiotelgraphy,

I'd like to see you pass a weather satellite photo fax via
radiotelegraphy....

Uh,, Bob, that isn't traffic, It's *data*. I guess if you were really
familiar with radio
you;d know that, wouldn't you?

Uhhh, DICK, you should know that weather data can be passed via many
modes, and that satellite imagery is referred to as wefax or wxsat.

Typically, what is called "DATA" is RTTY.


No, Brian, digital information that is not analog voice is generally known as data
tansmission.

Sorry, senior.

But all that is old technology. Today, we get our weather via
wideband, though you're free to play with UKMO and NAM transmissions.

I guess you missed the entire point that WEFAX isn't in any circumstance handled by Morse
code. That is reserved for text communications or coded letter groups.

Poor DICK. I guess you missed the entire point that useful satellite
information could be sent via Morse/CW, if you were willing to develop
the protocol and the overlay grids, similar to the old gridded radar
bulletins.

For what its worth (FWIW), real satellite data isn't pictures, isn't
FAX. It is rows and columns of pixels, each with a value ranging from
zero to 255, seven layers deep. They are formatted into data groups,
and 'puter programs display and/or animate the data with various
enhancement curves (algorithms) which make the DATA more useful.

which I learned as a requirement of my licensure as a
ham radio operator. There is no reason for you to be exempted from the
same.

Well, at least you finally admit that it's "I had to do it, you
should too."

The difference is, I know why. You obviously don't.

Couldn't be much of a difference since you obviously don't know why.
And I know why you don't. You're simply ignorant about weather comms.
Stick to things you know, such as CW and more CW. When you're done
talking about CW, you could switch to Morse so you don't sound like a
broken record.

More gibberish and attempted bafflegab. That's all you know so you stick to it.

Gibberish and what? I know meteorology and weather comms. I'll stick
to that and you can deliver the "bafflegab."

And FWIW, radar image intensity bulletins used to be transmitted via
tty, and the receiver had to plot it on a predetermined overlay for
that particular radar station. So the concept is there for satellite
data transmission, but was never implemented. So go and create a
satellite overlay grid, then encode satellite IR temps (if you can),
and get cracking on Robert's idea.

See, you CAN use CW to send useful information rather than just ARRL
numbergrams.

73, Brian

Piffle. THAT is an obsolete use of Morse code.

Using it to pass message traffic when radio conditons are such that it works well but
other available modes won't is another matter, as you know.

I'll take wideband any day. You take "bafflegab."

"Arnie Macy" wrote in message
...
"Clint" wrote ...

well, this argument, like all of the PCTA arguments, is easy to knock
over
the fence and make a home run out of... right out of the ballpark, so
here
goes...

if you want to claim knowledge and right of discussion on a matter due to
your lineage OR your association proximity to somebody that actually MET a
person/group/insert noun of choice, then allow me to inform you that I
had
an uncle that actually served in the european theater as well as one that
served in the south pacific against the japanese. A little closer to me
in
age than a grandfather, greatgrandfather, or third cousin twice removed on
your mother's side sevearl generations back by marriage to the local meat
butcher or whatever. Until the passing of my uncle who served in europe
(and
god bless, didn't get killed), I was able to speak directly to him on the
matter and got first hand knowledge.

And know for one more bit of educational matter, if your cranium has the
capacity to absorb data at this rate..... if the learning process of the
human race were limited to contemporary times, and there were no history
books (as socialists would love dream of), and there were no processes by
which a person could be educated to more than his 5 senses could teach
him,
than civilization could not exist; we would never advance to one digree,
to
the nth degree, to NO point whatsoever if the learning process weren't
available to us to discover that which we haven't found to be true with
our
own experience. You would not be aware that this is but one planet in a
9-planet solar system; that one hundred million plus one hundred million
equals TWO hundred million... or any other fact or detail that could not
be
learned in a single solatary person's lifetime on thier own.

So don't try to claim that a person can't know anything unless he or she
saw
it for themselves, and couldn't learn it through thier elders. It quickly
makes you appear as though you don't understand the process of education
and, therefore, must have NONE yourself.
__________________________________________________ _____________________

Clint,

This is not a game where you hit home runs. This is a serious subject.
I'm
a few years older than you, so it stands to reason that I've had the
opportunity to speak directly with many of the members of my family who
survived the Nazis' attempt to exterminate them in Poland. I listened to
them many times over as a young man and understand fully the meaning of
the
word. I don't subscribe to your loose definition, and neither do the many
people who lived under that tyranny. When you use it to describe those
that
are in favor of code testing in the ARS, you cheapen the meaning, and
therefore the memories of all those people who did not survive. Please,
think about this before you use the word again. That's all that I ask.

Arnie -
KT4ST





Arnie,

This Clint character uses this sort of 'arguement' on everything he does.
Yet he claims 'knowledge' of the subject after saying basically that unless
you were there, you know nothing about it.

He shoots himself in the foot here as he does with the pro code testing
commentary. In fact his arguement proves he is just being a world class
smart ass.

In otherwords let it go Arnie. May I express my sincere regrets that you
have such a knowledge of those NAZI *******s.

Dan/W4NTI