Dwight Stewart wrote:
"N2EY" wrote:

Are they the model we hams should follow, or should
we take them as a cautionary tale of what could happen
to us?



I wasn't offering CB as a model. In fact, because of its rather unique
history, I don't think one can use CB as a model for much of anything. CB
went to h*ll in a hand basket after Hollywood associated it with the illegal
activities shown in several movies of the time (Convoy, Smokey & the Bandit,
and so on).


You're off by a few years. Back in the early 70's, I used a CB in our
company trucks, and there were plenty of rulebreakers then. Most every
time I had to buy parts from a local, I got to see their overheight
towers and linear amps.

- Mike KB3EIA and a looong time ago, KBM-8780! 8^) -

In article , Mike Coslo writes:

Dwight Stewart wrote:
"N2EY" wrote:

Are they the model we hams should follow, or should
we take them as a cautionary tale of what could happen
to us?



I wasn't offering CB as a model. In fact, because of its rather unique
history, I don't think one can use CB as a model for much of anything. CB
went to h*ll in a hand basket after Hollywood associated it with the
illegal
activities shown in several movies of the time (Convoy, Smokey & the
Bandit,
and so on).


You're off by a few years. Back in the early 70's, I used a CB in our
company trucks, and there were plenty of rulebreakers then. Most every
time I had to buy parts from a local, I got to see their overheight
towers and linear amps.

IMDB.com (Internet Movie Data Base) says that "Convoy" and the first "Smokey
and the Bandit" came out in 1977-78.

Art imitates life.

73 de Jim, N2EY

"N2EY" wrote:

IMDB.com (Internet Movie Data Base) says that "Convoy"
and the first "Smokey and the Bandit" came out in 1977-78.


Just two examples, Jim (that's obviously why I said "and so on"). There
were a rash of movies and television shows featuring CB in the mid to late
70's - BJ and the Bear, Dukes of Hazard, Moonshine, Knight Rider, and so on.
Even regular television shows (Charley's Angels, Magnum PI, Love Boat,
CHiPs, and so on) had episodes featuring CB.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

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"Dwight Stewart" wrote in message link.net...
"N2EY" wrote:

IMDB.com (Internet Movie Data Base) says that "Convoy"
and the first "Smokey and the Bandit" came out in 1977-78.

Just two examples, Jim (that's obviously why I said "and so on").

Of course.

But my point was that the TV shows and movies were a result of the cb
boom, and reflected its outlaw nature. They did not cause the boom,
nor the culture, which were solidly in place in the late 1960s.

There
were a rash of movies and television shows featuring CB in the mid to late
70's

well *after* cb was a fad..

- BJ and the Bear,

premiered 1978


Dukes of Hazard,

premiered 1979


Moonshine,

premiered 1977


Knight Rider,

premiered 1982


and so on.
Even regular television shows

(Charley's Angels,

premiered 1976


Magnum PI,

premiered 1980


Love Boat,

premiered 1976


CHiPs,

premiered 1977


and so on) had episodes featuring CB.

I'm sure they did. Note that most of the above are TV shows, and their
dates are all fall premiere dates.

cb and its culture were already well established long before the
movies and TV shows caught on. Heck, First Lady Betty Ford ("First
Mama") had one in a White House limo. (The Ford Administration ended
in January 1977).

The restrictive rules on "external and internal RF power amplifiers"
(also called "linyars") were enacted by FCC in 1978. That was long
after they were all over the place. Given typical bureaucratic delay,
that means amplifiers were a big problem at least two years earlier -
1976.

Things did not go bad because of the movies and TV shows. They went
bad because there was no way FCC could enforce the rules, and no
established culture or tradition of self-discipline, responsibility or
rule-following.

Art imitates life.

The song "Convoy" was a hit in 1976. "C.W. McCall" is/was a persona
created by one Bill Fries, starting out as a series of commercials.

True fact: The 'band' that backed up "McCall" (actually a rotating
bunch of studio musicians) was organized by Chip Davis, who is
probably better known for his involvement in the New Age "Mannheim
Steamroller" music.

To really get a handle (pun intended) on when the boom peaked, look up
when FCC gave up on licenses for cb.


73 de Jim, N2EY


thank you, imdb.com

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(N2EY) writes:

"Dwight Stewart" wrote in message
hlink.net...
"N2EY" wrote:

IMDB.com (Internet Movie Data Base) says that "Convoy"
and the first "Smokey and the Bandit" came out in 1977-78.

Just two examples, Jim (that's obviously why I said "and so on").

Of course.

But my point was that the TV shows and movies were a result of the cb
boom, and reflected its outlaw nature. They did not cause the boom,
nor the culture, which were solidly in place in the late 1960s.

What "outlaw" actions took place then, mighty sheriff?

Did you arrest any of those "outlaws?"

There
were a rash of movies and television shows featuring CB in the mid to late
70's

well *after* cb was a fad..

The "fad" continues, over two decades later. :-)

- BJ and the Bear,

premiered 1978


Dukes of Hazard,

premiered 1979


Moonshine,

premiered 1977


Knight Rider,

premiered 1982


and so on.
Even regular television shows

(Charley's Angels,

premiered 1976


Magnum PI,

premiered 1980


Love Boat,

premiered 1976


CHiPs,

premiered 1977

and so on) had episodes featuring CB.

"CHiPs" featured fake motorcycle and patrol car communications using
California Highway Patrol protocol and radio equipment dummies on
supposed CHP frequencies. Some of the audio of actual CHP radio
communications was recorded and "wild-tracked" into an episode as
needed.

It's "highway scenes" were shot on the Foothill Freeway under construction
in the Sunland-Tujunga-La-Crescenta area just to my residence's north.

I'm sure they did. Note that most of the above are TV shows, and their
dates are all fall premiere dates.

You have a dispute with the entertainment industry and television in
general? Take it up with the Academy of Television Arts and Sciences.
Their headquarters is in North Hollywood...very nice building. Nice
folks in there...but watch out on dissing them or you might wind up head-
first in one of the fountains in the courtyard.

cb and its culture were already well established long before the
movies and TV shows caught on.

"Outlaw culture?" :-)

"Desperados of the Wild West?" Are you imagining yourself as some
kind of "marshall" out to "avenge" things? :-)

The restrictive rules on "external and internal RF power amplifiers"
(also called "linyars") were enacted by FCC in 1978. That was long
after they were all over the place. Given typical bureaucratic delay,
that means amplifiers were a big problem at least two years earlier -
1976.

Okay, here it is 27 years later. Where are all the avenging marshalls
and sheriffs and fast-draw lawmen setting up law and order in the wild
EM west?

Things did not go bad because of the movies and TV shows. They went
bad because there was no way FCC could enforce the rules, and no
established culture or tradition of self-discipline, responsibility or
rule-following.

Yes, pity that...no one to "establish culture or tradition or
self-discipline"
like all the mighty macho morsemen did LONG before Sheriff Jimmie
was born. :-)

Sheriff Jimmie, hop up on your hearse and form up a posse to ride out
into the wild EM west and arrest those miscreants!

Make yourself look proud in the eyes of other macho morsemen!


SO, WHERE ARE ALL THE MOVIES AND TV SHOWS FEATURING
AMATEUR RADIO...AND ESPECIALLY MORSE CODE?

AMATEUR RADIO AND THE ARRL HAVE HAD LONGER THAN 27
YEARS TO MAKE AN IMPACT ON THE PUBLIC THROUGH THE
ENTERTAINMENT MEDIA.

Got yer ears on? :-)

LHA






Art imitates life.

The song "Convoy" was a hit in 1976. "C.W. McCall" is/was a persona
created by one Bill Fries, starting out as a series of commercials.

True fact: The 'band' that backed up "McCall" (actually a rotating
bunch of studio musicians) was organized by Chip Davis, who is
probably better known for his involvement in the New Age "Mannheim
Steamroller" music.

To really get a handle (pun intended) on when the boom peaked, look up
when FCC gave up on licenses for cb.

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Len SO, WHERE ARE ALL THE MOVIES AND TV SHOWS FEATURING AMATEUR
Len RADIO...AND ESPECIALLY MORSE CODE?

Where are all the movies and television shows featuring normal
families with normal marriages and normal children? Where are all the
movies and television shows featuring normal employees working for
normal employers? Normal is boring. Conflict is exciting.

American culture considers CB radio to be used mostly for evading
speed-traps. This illustrates a basic conflict (man versus society)
which is featured in forms of entertainment predating the Trojan war,
let alone CB radio. This particular conflict also appeals to the
American mind-set of bending the rules and avoiding punishment.

Amateur radio is used for extending the state of the art, for
expressing international goodwill, and for emergency communications.
The first two make for bad theater, but the last has potential.

Movies and television shows have been created around this type of
topic for quite some time, with man versus nature being the most
relevant conflict in this case. Amateur radio is usually only used
when normal communications systems are unavailable. This doesn't
exactly happen on a weekly basis, so it'd be difficult to make a
television show based on this scenario. As for a movie, well,
the potential is there, but I haven't seen it used effectively. It
was a gimmick in _Frequency_ but personally I'd rather see something
like the story of the operators lost from Mount St. Helens, or maybe a
disaster flick covering The Big One out here in California.

Oh, yeah, Morse code. I got a kick out of the satellite scenes in
_Enemy of the State_. Dahdidahdit dahdadidah.

Jack.
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(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
In article ,
(N2EY) writes:

"Dwight Stewart" wrote in message
hlink.net...
"N2EY" wrote:

IMDB.com (Internet Movie Data Base) says that "Convoy"
and the first "Smokey and the Bandit" came out in 1977-78.

Just two examples, Jim (that's obviously why I said "and so on").

Of course.

But my point was that the TV shows and movies were a result of the cb
boom, and reflected its outlaw nature. They did not cause the boom,
nor the culture, which were solidly in place in the late 1960s.

What "outlaw" actions took place then
?

On cb (this is the short list):

- Operation without a license (when licenses were required)
- Failure to identify
- False/misleading identification
- Power far in excess of legal limit
- Use of non-type-accepted/certified equipment
- Operation on unauthorized frequencies
- Intentional interference
- Obscenity/profanity/vulgarity
- Contacts beyond the legal distance limit
- Contacts beyond the legal time limit

And the big one:

- Use of radio to facilitate other illegal activities (such as speed
limit violations)

All of the above were common long before there were movies or TV shows
with cb in them.

There
were a rash of movies and television shows featuring CB in the mid to late
70's

well *after* cb was a fad..

The "fad" continues, over two decades later. :-)

Not at anything like the level of 20 years ago.

I'm sure they did. Note that most of the above are TV shows, and their
dates are all fall premiere dates.

You have a dispute with the entertainment industry and television in
general?

Most of what is produced by the "entertainment industry" is pure
unaldulterated JUNK. Not just worthless but actually harmful. Not a
new phenomenon, either, it's been that way at least as long as I've
been around.

There are notable exceptions, of course, but the *average* TV show or
Hollywood movie is not worth the time it takes to watch.

Take it up with the Academy of Television Arts and Sciences.

A group whose only purpose is for those who work in the "industry" to
give each other awards.

Their headquarters is in North Hollywood...very nice building. Nice
folks in there...

I'm sure there are some nice people in the "entertainment industry".
But that industry produces an awfully high percentage of JUNK.

but watch out on dissing them or you might wind up head-
first in one of the fountains in the courtyard.

How? Are you going to overpower me and throw me there? I'd really like
to see you try.

Sure sounds like you are threatening me, Len. Simply for expressing an
opinion.

cb and its culture were already well established long before the
movies and TV shows caught on.

"Outlaw culture?" :-)

Yep.

The restrictive rules on "external and internal RF power amplifiers"
(also called "linyars") were enacted by FCC in 1978. That was long
after they were all over the place. Given typical bureaucratic delay,
that means amplifiers were a big problem at least two years earlier -
1976.

Okay, here it is 27 years later. Where are all the avenging marshalls
and sheriffs and fast-draw lawmen setting up law and order in the wild
EM west?

They're called the FCC. You may have heard of them.

Things did not go bad because of the movies and TV shows. They went
bad because there was no way FCC could enforce the rules, and no
established culture or tradition of self-discipline, responsibility or
rule-following.

Yes, pity that...no one to "establish culture or tradition or
self-discipline"

That's right. Instead, a culture of "who cares what the rules are"
emerged and became dominant.

Kinda like on TV.

SO, WHERE ARE ALL THE MOVIES AND TV SHOWS FEATURING
AMATEUR RADIO...AND ESPECIALLY MORSE CODE?

Where are all the movies and TV shows about normal, average people
with regular jobs, living in typical families and having normal lives?

Most Americans don't live in Los Angeles, San Franscisco, Chicago or
New York City.

Most Americans do not work in health care or the criminal justice
system.

Most Americans' problems and conflicts are not resolved in 22 or 44
minutes.

Most American television and motion pictures are JUNK.

Now you can get all upset and indignant, Len old boy, but the facts
are the facts.

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(N2EY) writes:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...
In article ,
(N2EY) writes:

"Dwight Stewart" wrote in message
hlink.net...
"N2EY" wrote:

IMDB.com (Internet Movie Data Base) says that "Convoy"
and the first "Smokey and the Bandit" came out in 1977-78.

Just two examples, Jim (that's obviously why I said "and so on").

Of course.

But my point was that the TV shows and movies were a result of the cb
boom, and reflected its outlaw nature. They did not cause the boom,
nor the culture, which were solidly in place in the late 1960s.

What "outlaw" actions took place then
?

On cb (this is the short list):

- Operation without a license (when licenses were required)
- Failure to identify
- False/misleading identification
- Power far in excess of legal limit
- Use of non-type-accepted/certified equipment
- Operation on unauthorized frequencies
- Intentional interference
- Obscenity/profanity/vulgarity
- Contacts beyond the legal distance limit
- Contacts beyond the legal time limit

And the big one:

- Use of radio to facilitate other illegal activities (such as speed
limit violations)

All of the above were common long before there were movies or TV shows
with cb in them.

There
were a rash of movies and television shows featuring CB in the mid to
late
70's

well *after* cb was a fad..

The "fad" continues, over two decades later. :-)

Not at anything like the level of 20 years ago.

I'm sure they did. Note that most of the above are TV shows, and their
dates are all fall premiere dates.

You have a dispute with the entertainment industry and television in
general?

Most of what is produced by the "entertainment industry" is pure
unaldulterated JUNK. Not just worthless but actually harmful. Not a
new phenomenon, either, it's been that way at least as long as I've
been around.

There are notable exceptions, of course, but the *average* TV show or
Hollywood movie is not worth the time it takes to watch.

Take it up with the Academy of Television Arts and Sciences.

A group whose only purpose is for those who work in the "industry" to
give each other awards.

Their headquarters is in North Hollywood...very nice building. Nice
folks in there...

I'm sure there are some nice people in the "entertainment industry".
But that industry produces an awfully high percentage of JUNK.

but watch out on dissing them or you might wind up head-
first in one of the fountains in the courtyard.

How? Are you going to overpower me and throw me there? I'd really like
to see you try.

Sure sounds like you are threatening me, Len. Simply for expressing an
opinion.

cb and its culture were already well established long before the
movies and TV shows caught on.

"Outlaw culture?" :-)

Yep.

The restrictive rules on "external and internal RF power amplifiers"
(also called "linyars") were enacted by FCC in 1978. That was long
after they were all over the place. Given typical bureaucratic delay,
that means amplifiers were a big problem at least two years earlier -
1976.

Okay, here it is 27 years later. Where are all the avenging marshalls
and sheriffs and fast-draw lawmen setting up law and order in the wild
EM west?

They're called the FCC. You may have heard of them.

Things did not go bad because of the movies and TV shows. They went
bad because there was no way FCC could enforce the rules, and no
established culture or tradition of self-discipline, responsibility or
rule-following.

Yes, pity that...no one to "establish culture or tradition or
self-discipline"

That's right. Instead, a culture of "who cares what the rules are"
emerged and became dominant.

Kinda like on TV.

SO, WHERE ARE ALL THE MOVIES AND TV SHOWS FEATURING
AMATEUR RADIO...AND ESPECIALLY MORSE CODE?

Where are all the movies and TV shows about normal, average people
with regular jobs, living in typical families and having normal lives?

Most Americans don't live in Los Angeles, San Franscisco, Chicago or
New York City.

Most Americans do not work in health care or the criminal justice
system.

Most Americans' problems and conflicts are not resolved in 22 or 44
minutes.

Most American television and motion pictures are JUNK.

Now you can get all upset and indignant, Len old boy, but the facts
are the facts.

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(N2EY) writes:

Most American television and motion pictures are JUNK.

Ooooookay...you tell that to Walt Cronkhite next time you two are
at Dayton... :-)

Feel free to walk around this area shouting your "JUNK!" epithets.

If you do, make sure you have life insurance... :-)


Now you can get all upset and indignant, Len old boy, but the facts
are the facts.

Noooooo...those are just your OPINIONS. :-)

-----

You don't seem to know what I was talking about, mentioning the
novel and TV movie "The French Atlantic Affair." Why not?

It was written by a ham. Even got a review, with pictures, in a ham
magazine. Featured amateur radio as the problem-solver for a ship
hijacking...by a couple of Extras.

"N2EY" wrote in message
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On cb (this is the short list):

- Operation without a license (when licenses were required)
- Failure to identify


Hey, Jim? Just a quick question, 'cause I'm going on what goes on around
here. Have you ever heard long-time hams of the elder generation who get on
a club repeater and routinely forget to identify? I've heard entire
conversations take place here, where one or more of the long-time hams
[probably forget] fail to identify--even when they leave the radio.


- False/misleading identification


Haven't heard much of that on ham radio.


- Power far in excess of legal limit


Heck, I wouldn't know if that was taking place without the right test
equipment I suppose. I could sure guess it one way or the other or, again,
take some hams around here at their word that they "chuckle have a
tendency to overdo it now and then to get that " "rare" " one."


- Use of non-type-accepted/certified equipment


Ditto above.


- Operation on unauthorized frequencies


Haven't listened long enough at any time to see how much/often I hear this
on ham radio. Bet it goes on more than we realize, though(?)


- Intentional interference


Hear that all the time on VHF and HF. More common on VHF, though.


- Obscenity/profanity/vulgarity


Hear that all the time. And, I'd classify calling Democrats Nazis as being
vulgar, etc. I hear conversations such as this quite routinely around
here--again from long-time hams on their local "club" machines--I guess
where they figure they have earned the right to be that way.


- Contacts beyond the legal distance limit
- Contacts beyond the legal time limit


Of course, this would be a moot point--for the most part--on ham radio.


And the big one:

- Use of radio to facilitate other illegal activities (such as speed
limit violations)


Well, gotta hang my head again and say that I hear that routinely done
around here on 2M. In fact, you'll hear the proverbial "smokey" reports,
and hear of hams bragging all the time about zooming down the highway ("I'm
trying to catch up with you, dude, and I'm doing 75; how fast *are* you
going?"). Really.

Just my two pennies worth of stuff that can go on whether it's CB or not.
And, I agree with you on all the comments about TV, etc., although I like
most of the comedy shows on ABC.

Kim W5TIT