On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 23:27:27 -0400, a 32 bit process
wrote:

On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 16:56:50 GMT, "James Wilson"
wrote:

What does BPL sound like? Can someone post a wav file somewhere so it can
be identified? Is it worse that the Pennsylvania QSO party?

It almost sounds like a geiger counter, but a lot louder and the
clicking is quicker in pace.

That is a really good description of precipitation/snow static, but
the speed *usually* varies.

Roger Halstead (K8RI EN73 & ARRL Life Member)
www.rogerhalstead.com
N833R World's oldest Debonair? (S# CD-2)

"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message
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"Ryan, KC8PMX" wrote in message
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Just found out today listening to a local, reputable radio station that
Bay,
Saginaw and Midland Counties in Michigan are going to be "test sites"
for
BPL, at least for Michigan. I don't know when it will be an actual
reality,
as opposed to being in the planning stages, but will keep current with
their
project!


Ryan KC8PMX
Midland, Michigan



Go to the sites. Check out the interference. If it's as bad as they say,
write the local commercial radio stations to say they are being interfered
with, write your congressman, and write the FCC.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE



The Bay, Saginaw and Midland clubs are going to work together on that......
Strength in numbers, at least locally.





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Ryan, KC8PMX
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On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 23:27:27 -0400, a 32 bit process
wrote:

On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 16:56:50 GMT, "James Wilson"
wrote:

What does BPL sound like? Can someone post a wav file somewhere so it can
be identified? Is it worse that the Pennsylvania QSO party?

It almost sounds like a geiger counter, but a lot louder and the
clicking is quicker in pace.

After having gone to the ARRL site and listened to the examples, all I
can say is it sounds just like precipitation static and/or loose
connections. No way would I be able to identify one from the other.
I'm just going to have to complain every time I hear noise and make
recordings. If it's noisy enough to be a problem it should be fixed.

BTW, most of the links failed and instead I ended up hijacked to QSL
dot net. (they call it redirecting, but if I didn't select to go
there, I don't want to go there...I'll settle for the 404 screen
instead of giving some one advertizing points.)

Roger Halstead (K8RI EN73 & ARRL Life Member)
www.rogerhalstead.com
N833R World's oldest Debonair? (S# CD-2)

Yeah Jim.... six meter all mode. It's hard as hell to use it right now with
the powerline interference in this freakin' county even before they
implement this whole BPL stuff!!!!!


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Ryan, KC8PMX
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"N2EY" wrote in message
...
In article , "Ryan, KC8PMX"
writes:

Just found out today listening to a local, reputable radio station that
Bay,
Saginaw and Midland Counties in Michigan are going to be "test sites" for
BPL, at least for Michigan. I don't know when it will be an actual
reality,
as opposed to being in the planning stages, but will keep current with
their
project!

Ryan,

If you have a 6 meter rig that can go mobile, you're set up to
measure/observe
(and report) BPL interference.

73 de Jim, N2EY

"James Wilson" wrote in message ...
What does BPL sound like? Can someone post a wav file somewhere so it can
be identified?


The ARRL website is loaded with video and/or audio files which will
clearly demonstrate what the various forms of BPL signals sound like
and the havoc they generate throughout the HF spectrum.

http://www.arrl.org/tis/info/HTML/plc/#Video


Is it worse that the Pennsylvania QSO party?

If BBL is broadly implemented you won't have to worry about the PAQP.
There won't be a PAQP.


BPL, at least for Michigan. I don't know when it will be an actual
reality,
as opposed to being in the planning stages, but will keep current with
their
project!

w3rv

"Carl R. Stevenson" wrote in message
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"N2EY" wrote in message
...
In article , "Ryan, KC8PMX"
writes:

Just found out today listening to a local, reputable radio station that
Bay,
Saginaw and Midland Counties in Michigan are going to be "test sites"
for
BPL, at least for Michigan. I don't know when it will be an actual
reality,
as opposed to being in the planning stages, but will keep current with
their
project!

Ryan,

If you have a 6 meter rig that can go mobile, you're set up to
measure/observe
(and report) BPL interference.

73 de Jim, N2EY

Not all of the BPL "pilot" deployments are using spectrum as high as 6m,
though they want to ultimately use "2-80 MHz" if they had large commercial
deployments of paying customers.

Carl - wk3c


Either way, there are the obvious harmonics to consider as well. Granted,
not as strong as the original offending signal, but a problem non-the-less.


I will let ya all know what happens along the way with all of this. As
stated earlier, it would be much cheaper of an investment to get the phone
companies (Ameritech in my case) to put more switching stations to make DSL
more available.......



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Ryan, KC8PMX
FF1-FF2-MFR-(pending NREMT-B!)
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... --. .... - . .-. ...

"Carl R. Stevenson" wrote in message
...

"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message
om...

"Ryan, KC8PMX" wrote in message
...
Just found out today listening to a local, reputable radio station
that
Bay,
Saginaw and Midland Counties in Michigan are going to be "test sites"
for
BPL, at least for Michigan. I don't know when it will be an actual
reality,
as opposed to being in the planning stages, but will keep current with
their
project!


Ryan KC8PMX
Midland, Michigan



Go to the sites. Check out the interference. If it's as bad as they
say,
write the local commercial radio stations to say they are being
interfered
with, write your congressman, and write the FCC.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


Ryan, et al, PLEASE coordinate with Ed Hare, ... and don't
"write/contact your local commercial radio stations" UNLESS they ACTUALLY
ARE being interfered with AND you are ABSOLUTELY SURE it's BPL.

Yes and no Carl.... if it makes it impossible to RECIEVE our local broadcast
stations, I would think that the local broadcasters would be VERY interested
to know that nobody is getting thier signal, except cable subscribers.


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Ryan, KC8PMX
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In article ,
says...
What does BPL sound like? Can someone post a wav file somewhere so it can
be identified? Is it worse that the Pennsylvania QSO party?

The ARRL web site (www.arrl.org) has a video that can be downloaded that
shows how severe this interference can be. They took a vehicle equipped
with HF equipment and drove around areas where BPL is in use as a test
program. The noise levels are horrendous.

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-- //Steve//

Steve Silverwood, KB6OJS
Fountain Valley, CA
Email:
Web: http://home.earthlink.net/~kb6ojs_steve

"Carl R. Stevenson" wrote in message ...
"N2EY" wrote in message
...
In article , "Ryan, KC8PMX"
writes:

Just found out today listening to a local, reputable radio station that
Bay,
Saginaw and Midland Counties in Michigan are going to be "test sites" for
BPL, at least for Michigan. I don't know when it will be an actual
reality,
as opposed to being in the planning stages, but will keep current with
their
project!

Ryan,

If you have a 6 meter rig that can go mobile, you're set up to
measure/observe
(and report) BPL interference.

73 de Jim, N2EY

Not all of the BPL "pilot" deployments are using spectrum as high as 6m,
though they want to ultimately use "2-80 MHz" if they had large commercial
deployments of paying customers.

Harmonics, Carl, harmonics. Those pulses sounded awful clicky on the
video. You heard 'em yourself - what do you speculate their harmonic
content is like?

If it can be shown that thew harmonics are a source of RFI as well as
the fundamentals, won't that be another tool to use against BPL?

I mentioned 6 meters because Ryan mentioned his interst in that band.

'BPL - it's not just an HF problem'...

73 de Jim, N2EY

After having gone to the ARRL site and listened to the examples, all I
can say is it sounds just like precipitation static and/or loose
connections. No way would I be able to identify one from the other.
I'm just going to have to complain every time I hear noise and make
recordings. If it's noisy enough to be a problem it should be fixed.

Any hope of us non-arrl members getting something to listen to?