"Kim W5TIT" wrote:

(snip) So, that having been said--it seems very
apparent to me that Dwight has some ideas for
which he has no real basis in fact. (And, that's
not to say that my ideas are all based in fact-
-but I at least admit it). And, I can't believe that
he expects people to accept--let alone agree--
with him that we are too busy and stupid to do
our own research to make ethical purchase
decisions; yet we should warm up to the idea
that government and business can be held to a
high enough standard (uh, even though we are
too busy and stupid to research what the
standard should be) that they can "do it for
us." And, that's not even bringing into the
equation that I've seen Dwight rail against the
"liberals" for big government principles--yet here
he is espousing to a huge government *and* rolling
the corporate world up into it. The "conservatives"
woud have a field day for that blessing!! (snip)


Kim, I've repeatedly said I don't have all the answers, am offering my
opinions only, that I don't "expect" anything from anybody, and that this is
a simple discussion (not a proclamation or mandate for all to agree). Now,
either you haven't read that (which means you have no idea what I've said),
can't understand it (too stupid), or are so determined to argue you don't
really care what I've actually said.

I've also repeatedly told you that my comments were limited solely to the
economy, not "ethical purchase decisions," the environment (Exxon), or
whatever other issues you want to throw in. In spite of that, you still try
to twist my words to apply to other things. I've also never said consumers
are "too busy and stupid" to do research. What I've actually said is that
information is not that easily available for consumers to do that research
(economic research, not anything else) and that such research is simply too
massive to truly expect consumers to do. You've offered nothing substantial
to challenge that assesment.

I'm also not "espousing to a huge government." What I've said is that
government should pass regulations to insure consumers have better access to
the information they need to make wise economic purchasing decisions, that
government better monitor business to insure that information is correct,
that government offer the information they collected to consumers in
condensed form, that immigration be better managed, that curbs should be put
on credit, that corporate profits be capped, rules changed to prevent
factories and industry moving overseas, and so on. Even if you don't agree,
none of these are exactly radical new ideas - all have been widely discussed
for many years.

This is the last time I will say all of this. If you continue to
misrepresent my position after this, then I'll assume you're doing so simply
to be dishonest and will respond accordingly.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/

"Kim W5TIT" wrote:

But, you've already stated, Dwight, that people
[paraphrasing] are too stupid and don't have the
time to research their shopping products. (snip)


No, Kim, you're not paraphrasing - you're flat out lying.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/

"Kim W5TIT" wrote:

Larry, meet Dwight. Dwight, meet Larry.
Dwight, welcome to a perfect vision of
yourself...


Kim, I would introduce you to someone like yourself, but I simply haven't
met anyone that stupid and dishonest yet.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/

"Dee D. Flint" wrote:

Please note I did NOT assume anything. I did
not state that you ARE advocating that but that
it SEEMS that you are. There is a difference.
I.e. the statements in your posts can lead the
reader to that conclusion although the position is
not definitively stated.

Why bother to enter the discussion if you are not
advocating your position (or conversely playing
"devil's advocate")? (snip)


It shouldn't be that difficult to figure out, Dee. People do it all the
time - talk to friends or sposes about events half way around the world that
has no direct bearing on any of them, talk about criminal trials when they
have influence whatsoever on that trial, talk about what they might do if
they had a million dollars, talk about the economy when they have no real
intent at the moment to do anything about it, and so on. It's simply
conversation. Few are ever 100 percent right or wrong in these discussions.
Instead, they hear different perspectives, re-enforce some views, change
other views, and hopefully walk away slightly entertained by the experience.


(snip) The size of the audience should not matter.
You never know in what venue you may find a
person or group of persons who have the ability to
initiate and/or implement change.


I wish there was someone like that in this newsroup. I'm sure we could all
give him or her an earful. However, after six or seven years in this
newsgroup, I haven't seen even a hint of such a person. As for the regular
newsgroup participants (including the guesstimated lurkers), we're not
really large enough in numbers to impact even a small town's elections (much
less impact national issues).


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/

"Dwight Stewart" wrote in message
ink.net...
"Dee D. Flint" wrote:
(snip) The size of the audience should not matter.
You never know in what venue you may find a
person or group of persons who have the ability to
initiate and/or implement change.


I wish there was someone like that in this newsroup.

I can initiate change, but don't expect me to put my money into your
project. Pony up, and I'll see what I can do.

Like the ARRL, I work on a sliding scale: The more money you send, the
better results you can expect.

Charles Brabham, N5PVL

"charlesb" wrote:

I can initiate change, but don't expect me to put
my money into your project. Pony up, and I'll see
what I can do.

Like the ARRL, I work on a sliding scale: The more
money you send, the better results you can expect.


LOL. I just made the car payment. How much change can I get for the twenty
bucks remaining? Twenty-five cents in change?


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/

"Dwight Stewart" wrote in message
ink.net...
"charlesb" wrote:

I can initiate change, but don't expect me to put
my money into your project. Pony up, and I'll see
what I can do.

Like the ARRL, I work on a sliding scale: The more
money you send, the better results you can expect.


LOL. I just made the car payment. How much change can I get for the
twenty
bucks remaining? Twenty-five cents in change?

I may initiate change, but seldom do I ever return any! ;-D

Charles Brabham, N5PVL

"Dwight Stewart" wrote in message
nk.net...

I've also never said consumers
are "too busy and stupid" to do research.


Well, that's true. You never said consumers are "too busy and stupid." I
specifically stated that I was paraphrasing what you actually said:

"Consumers in general have neither the business awareness or
economic awareness to make those types of decisions on their own. And they
also certainly don't have the time or money to fully research an industry
each time they want to go shopping for something."

Maybe, Dwight, you can put what you said a different way, so that it doesn't
sound like you are thinking consumers are too busy and stupid. Could ya do
that for me?

I don't know who it is you think is not reading and understanding your
posts, Dwight. I think I've been fairly accurate. If I misrepresented your
position on exactly what it is you are saying, I'd like to see what it is
you actually intended the message to say.

Kim W5TIT

"Dwight Stewart" wrote in message
nk.net...

This is the last time I will say all of this. If you continue to
misrepresent my position after this, then I'll assume you're doing so
simply
to be dishonest and will respond accordingly.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)


Yeah, Dwight, that's me...sitting around thinking of ways I can be
dishonest. I think you're just up against a wall on this one and you're
choosing the only way out you know...which is certainly your choice. At
least one other person who's posted comments to this thread has had the same
interpretation of what you're saying...and you've not been as "upset" about
those interpretations. And, I daresay there's been two, but not so sure
about how it is that Jim has interpreted your comments. I've just been a
whole lot less diplomatic and far more blunt.

So, whatever...

Kim W5TIT

"Dwight Stewart" wrote in message
ink.net...
"Kim W5TIT" wrote:

Larry, meet Dwight. Dwight, meet Larry.
Dwight, welcome to a perfect vision of
yourself...


Kim, I would introduce you to someone like yourself, but I simply
haven't
met anyone that stupid and dishonest yet.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)


Aw, now this is real cute and grown up, Dwight...

Kim W5TIT