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If the written test elements are so easy, why are we all not extras?
"Look lid you still don't get it, I am well aware the CW test is gone, my complaint still is the Give away Written." So why are we all not extras, then? If the writtens are so easy? |
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"Look lid you still don't get it, I am well aware the CW test is gone, my
complaint still is the Give away Written." So why are we all not extras, then? If the writtens are so easy? Because the Whinners who have cried about the CW Test, are the same Whinners who will start now crying about the Written. |
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Do you mean "winners", Bruce? Because they won the argument back in 1999.
If you consider turning Ham Radio into CB, then yes your right they have WON. Are you worried that someone will say that the writtens need to be upgraded? Not in the least, if anything they will be downgraded further Perhaps they will cite your alleged "8 minute Extra" as proof that the writtens are inadequate. They are inadequate, I agree. The written I took for the EXTRA was a JOKE. |
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In article , Robert Casey
writes: "Look lid you still don't get it, I am well aware the CW test is gone, my complaint still is the Give away Written." So why are we all not extras, then? If the writtens are so easy? Bob: Every ham who has (had) the motivation and initiative to learn the material required to pass the Extra-class written tests (and all the rest along the way) already *is* an Extra. The rest either haven't found it yet, or never will. In either case, their status won't change until they change it for themselves. Twenty-three years ago, I couldn't imagine being a licensed ham of any class, until it finally dawned on me that I had to do something to make it happen. Once I got started, I went from nothing to General in about six months, and to Extra in about 18 months. I'm just glad I didn't wait any longer for someone to make it happen for me. 73 de Larry, K3LT |
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In article , Robert Casey
writes: "Look lid you still don't get it, I am well aware the CW test is gone, my complaint still is the Give away Written." So why are we all not extras, then? If the writtens are so easy? Well, for starters: 1) Some hams are just not interested in HF. 2) Some hams are not in a position to have an HF station 3) Some hams are not that interested in the relatively small amount of additional privileges an Extra provides 4) Some hams have lost interest completely 5) Some hams haven't yet heard about the rules changes, or don't understand them 6) Some hams haven't gotten around to visiting a VE session Note how slowly the number of Advanceds is declining. In the 42 months since restructuring, their numbers have only dropped by about 15%. At least half of that decline is expirations, so the number who have upgraded to Extra is pretty small even though the 20 wpm code test is long gone. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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Len Over 21 wrote:
In article , (N2EY) writes: In article , Robert Casey writes: "Look lid you still don't get it, I am well aware the CW test is gone, my complaint still is the Give away Written." So why are we all not extras, then? If the writtens are so easy? Well, for starters: 1) Some hams are just not interested in HF. Those are obviously not "real hams." How would you know, Leonard? You aren't a radio amateur. 2) Some hams are not in a position to have an HF station No excuse. Real hams get on HF and work DX with CW. So far, you're the only individual making such statements. How would you know? You aren't involved in amateur radio. 3) Some hams are not that interested in the relatively small amount of additional privileges an Extra provides Tsk, tsk, tsk, no "service traditions of honor, glory, and reward..." Huh? 4) Some hams have lost interest completely OBVIOUSLY not real hams. As defined by one not remotely involved in ham radio? The CW skilled all have maximum interest, the only ones in US amateur radio. All the rest are "knuckle-dragging CB-plussers" according to two extras in here. So you take the view of two Extra Class licensees as representative of all code-tested radio amateurs? You really should devote some time to learning a bit about amateur radio. 5) Some hams haven't yet heard about the rules changes, or don't understand them Inconcievable in an activity that is all about communication. It isn't any worse than a fellow who passes himself off as a "professional" writer and who can't spell "inconceivable". 6) Some hams haven't gotten around to visiting a VE session There's no snow yet for all to walk barefoot uphill both ways to the VE place... What do you know of the schedule and location of amateur radio exams in relation to the location and schedules of those who may desire to upgrade? Note how slowly the number of Advanceds is declining. In the 42 months since restructuring, their numbers have only dropped by about 15%. At least half of that decline is expirations, so the number who have upgraded to Extra is pretty small even though the 20 wpm code test is long gone. Also, according to the Parson, by inference, all the no-code-test Technicians are "not renewing." :-) All of them? :-) :-) Novice class has been declining for LONGER prior to restructuring and is still declining. So? Where have all the "upgraders" gone. Buffalo? And where were all those talented 20 WPM Extras existing for YEARS prior to restructuring wtihout doing any advancing of the amateur radio state of the art? Who says that none of them have done anything to advance the radio art? Do you believe that it is necessary for every radio amateur to advance the radio art? Better hop to it and obtain a license. Maybe you can be a shining example for all of us. Were all those just sitting around waiting for restructuring so they could **** and moan "no-coders going to do the art advancing?" They were probably getting on the air and operating. What were you doing for those several decades during which you've declared an interest in amateur radio? Dave K8MN |
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In article , Dave Heil
writes: Len Over 21 wrote: In article , (N2EY) writes: In article , Robert Casey writes: "Look lid you still don't get it, I am well aware the CW test is gone, my complaint still is the Give away Written." So why are we all not extras, then? If the writtens are so easy? Well, for starters: 1) Some hams are just not interested in HF. Those are obviously not "real hams." How would you know, Leonard? You aren't a radio amateur. I'm a PROFESSIONAL in radio, been one a helluval lot longer than you and done far more. Poor baby, got your state department shorts all knotted up? 2) Some hams are not in a position to have an HF station No excuse. Real hams get on HF and work DX with CW. So far, you're the only individual making such statements. How would you know? You aren't involved in amateur radio. I'm not eager to "get involved" with working DX on HF with CW. That was done over a half century ago by others. Amateurs, and I use that in its most pejorative appelation, LIKE YOU insist on reliving the past so that you can claim "pioneer" status when you've never done a damn thing in that regard, including your famous claim of "using CW as an order wire on an RTTY circuit in the 1980s" while at state. 3) Some hams are not that interested in the relatively small amount of additional privileges an Extra provides Tsk, tsk, tsk, no "service traditions of honor, glory, and reward..." Huh? What do you mean, "Huh," dumbass? You can't read standard English? You want me to type slower so you can lip-read as the letters appear? TS. 4) Some hams have lost interest completely OBVIOUSLY not real hams. As defined by one not remotely involved in ham radio? As defined by idiots like yourself who only want to attack people, not subjects. Heil, all you have left is Personal Attack of anyone who displeases you. Typical dictatorial prussian. The CW skilled all have maximum interest, the only ones in US amateur radio. All the rest are "knuckle-dragging CB-plussers" according to two extras in here. So you take the view of two Extra Class licensees as representative of all code-tested radio amateurs? You really should devote some time to learning a bit about amateur radio. I've read quite enough. I can't get inside minds to find out how terribly deluded some are, like yourself, all caught up in the "service" aspects of a mythical "service" when all you are doing in enjoying your hobby. I suppose now you are going to come back with having to be a believer in the ARRL bull****. It will be some kind of stinky bull**** regardless. 5) Some hams haven't yet heard about the rules changes, or don't understand them Inconcievable in an activity that is all about communication. It isn't any worse than a fellow who passes himself off as a "professional" writer and who can't spell "inconceivable". YOU are NOT paying for any of this, dumbass. Why don't you go form a league of newsgroup Kops who argue minutae of typos such as prissy Parson Jimmie? I've SOLD thousands of words and copy for a quarter century. No problem. 6) Some hams haven't gotten around to visiting a VE session There's no snow yet for all to walk barefoot uphill both ways to the VE place... What do you know of the schedule and location of amateur radio exams in relation to the location and schedules of those who may desire to upgrade? Who the hell cares about YOUR judgemental non-talents, Oberst Heil. All you care to do is PICK FIGHTS, flame fests, so you can appear triumphant even in losing. Who says that none of them have done anything to advance the radio art? Do you believe that it is necessary for every radio amateur to advance the radio art? Better hop to it and obtain a license. Maybe you can be a shining example for all of us. YOU wouldn't know "state of the art" in radio if Norman Rockwell came back to life and painted portraits of Peter Martinez and Phil Karn and Dan Tayloe. YOU are just an AMATEUR in the radio arts, capable of little but restoring OLD radios and operating ready-built radios designed by professionals. Come back when you've gone beyond Ohm's Law. Were all those just sitting around waiting for restructuring so they could **** and moan "no-coders going to do the art advancing?" They were probably getting on the air and operating. What were you doing for those several decades during which you've declared an interest in amateur radio? WORKING for a living IN radio and electronics, dumbass, doing PROFESSIONAL work, applying for patents and gettin one, going farther along the EM spectrum in radio communications than is legal for US amateurs. Design engineering, you dumbass, not sitting around shoveling bull**** about being some hobbyist in off-hours pretending to be a radio pioneer and "in the service of your country" by beeping morse. You LOST it Heil. You don't have the proper prussian arrogance for an oberst anymore. You are demoted to just a feldwebel, a minor-rank NCO, in a fantasy life as a United States Morse Codist (USMC). Semper foo, herr feldwebel LHA |
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Len Over 21 wrote:
In article , Dave Heil writes: Len Over 21 wrote: In article , (N2EY) writes: In article , Robert Casey writes: "Look lid you still don't get it, I am well aware the CW test is gone, my complaint still is the Give away Written." So why are we all not extras, then? If the writtens are so easy? Well, for starters: 1) Some hams are just not interested in HF. Those are obviously not "real hams." How would you know, Leonard? You aren't a radio amateur. I'm a PROFESSIONAL in radio, been one a helluval lot longer than you and done far more. I'm impressed with your PROFESSIONAL status, Len. You've been a professional in radio longer because your were born earlier. As to whether you've done more, you have no way of knowing. That said, my comment was that you aren't a radio amateur. That statement is still completely accurate. Poor baby, got your state department shorts all knotted up? Why are you interested in my underwear? It would seem, Poor Baby, that you are upset about not being part of the amateur radio crowd. 2) Some hams are not in a position to have an HF station No excuse. Real hams get on HF and work DX with CW. So far, you're the only individual making such statements. How would you know? You aren't involved in amateur radio. I'm not eager to "get involved" with working DX on HF with CW. I didn't write anything about your eagerness. I wrote that you are the only person making such statements and I asked how you'd know. You aren't involved in amateur radio. That was done over a half century ago by others. It was done last night by others. When you write of anything involving amateur radio, it is all done by others. Amateurs, and I use that in its most pejorative appelation, LIKE YOU insist on reliving the past so that you can claim "pioneer" status when you've never done a damn thing in that regard, including your famous claim of "using CW as an order wire on an RTTY circuit in the 1980s" while at state. I've never claimed pioneer status in amateur or professional radio. I don't live in the past and am currently quite active as a radio amateur. 3) Some hams are not that interested in the relatively small amount of additional privileges an Extra provides Tsk, tsk, tsk, no "service traditions of honor, glory, and reward..." Huh? What do you mean, "Huh," dumbass? You can't read standard English? You want me to type slower so you can lip-read as the letters appear? TS. I read standard English just fine, Len. Maybe you could start writing some instead of including phrases which read like the rantings of some demented homeless person. 4) Some hams have lost interest completely OBVIOUSLY not real hams. As defined by one not remotely involved in ham radio? As defined by idiots like yourself who only want to attack people, not subjects. You wrote the phrase, Len. I didn't make such a definition so the sentence above makes no sense. Heil, all you have left is Personal Attack of anyone who displeases you. That's your mode, Len. It applies to anyone or any entity not in agreement with your views. Typical dictatorial prussian. Neither applies to me. Maybe you could uses complete sentences and communicate what you mean. The CW skilled all have maximum interest, the only ones in US amateur radio. All the rest are "knuckle-dragging CB-plussers" according to two extras in here. So you take the view of two Extra Class licensees as representative of all code-tested radio amateurs? You really should devote some time to learning a bit about amateur radio. I've read quite enough. That isn't apparent from your posts. I can't get inside minds to find out how terribly deluded some are, like yourself, all caught up in the "service" aspects of a mythical "service" when all you are doing in enjoying your hobby. No you can't get inside minds, Lamont Cranston. I'm enjoying my hobby but you aren't. You're not even involved in my hobby. I suppose now you are going to come back with having to be a believer in the ARRL bull****. It will be some kind of stinky bull**** regardless. Your words are becoming less rational, old timer. 5) Some hams haven't yet heard about the rules changes, or don't understand them Inconcievable in an activity that is all about communication. It isn't any worse than a fellow who passes himself off as a "professional" writer and who can't spell "inconceivable". YOU are NOT paying for any of this, dumbass. No, I'm not paying. I wouldn't pay for the disjointed, inaccurate, misspelled rantings of some old fellow with inadequate knowledge of the subject matter. Why don't you go form a league of newsgroup Kops who argue minutae of typos such as prissy Parson Jimmie? Oh, your errors consist of more than typos, Len. Trouble is, as fascinating as you are, we can't drum up enough support for alt.Len.Anderson.mistakes. I've SOLD thousands of words and copy for a quarter century. No problem. Is that supposed to make you unique or just excuse your spelling? 6) Some hams haven't gotten around to visiting a VE session There's no snow yet for all to walk barefoot uphill both ways to the VE place... What do you know of the schedule and location of amateur radio exams in relation to the location and schedules of those who may desire to upgrade? Who the hell cares about YOUR judgemental non-talents, Oberst Heil. I didn't make a judgement. I asked a question. All you care to do is PICK FIGHTS, flame fests, so you can appear triumphant even in losing. Ahh, but Len, those are your specialties, despite your repeated claims to only desire civil debate. Who says that none of them have done anything to advance the radio art? Do you believe that it is necessary for every radio amateur to advance the radio art? Better hop to it and obtain a license. Maybe you can be a shining example for all of us. YOU wouldn't know "state of the art" in radio if Norman Rockwell came back to life and painted portraits of Peter Martinez and Phil Karn and Dan Tayloe. You didn't answer the question. YOU are just an AMATEUR in the radio arts, capable of little but restoring OLD radios and operating ready-built radios designed by professionals. Then again, you'd have no way of knowing. I am enjoying amateur radio, though. What steps are you taking to become a part of amateur radio? Come back when you've gone beyond Ohm's Law. I'm not going anywhere. Were all those just sitting around waiting for restructuring so they could **** and moan "no-coders going to do the art advancing?" They were probably getting on the air and operating. What were you doing for those several decades during which you've declared an interest in amateur radio? WORKING for a living IN radio and electronics, dumbass,doing PROFESSIONAL work... Did any of that preclude your taking part in amateur radio? Many, including myself have found time for both though few of us ever found it necessary to write "PROFESSIONAL" when describing our work. applying for patents and gettin one, Others here have done the same but have found the time to become licensed hams. None of them have spent time frequently blowing their horns about a patent. You have. going farther along the EM spectrum in radio communications than is legal for US amateurs. How does that preclude obtaining an amateur license? Design engineering, you dumbass, not sitting around shoveling bull**** about being some hobbyist in off-hours pretending to be a radio pioneer and "in the service of your country" by beeping morse. So it appears that your decades-long declared interest in amateur radio is a sham. Your rambling, disjointed statement shows your lack of regard for those who are radio amateurs. You LOST it Heil. I lost it? Reread your own rant above. You don't have the proper prussian arrogance for an oberst anymore. You are demoted to just a feldwebel, a minor-rank NCO, in a fantasy life as a United States Morse Codist (USMC). Semper foo, herr feldwebel Is this the part where we're reduced to being your mere playthings, Leonard? Dave K8MN |
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