(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
As of 1300 EST on 27 Oct 03, the ARRL news page has not one
word

http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2003/10/27/2/?nc=1

as of 1640 EST.

Rest of Len's typical ARRL bashing snipped.

Jim,

Len should subscribe to our newspaper. Late sports info is printed *two*
days later. He may not understand that it takes time for information to be
collected and printed (even if only on the internet).

I only wish that my worst problems were the ARRL and CW vs no code. LOL.
These guys are going to drop from coronaries or stroke long before their
time.


73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA

"N2EY" wrote in message
om...
(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...
As of 1300 EST on 27 Oct 03, the ARRL news page has not one
word

http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2003/10/27/2/?nc=1

as of 1640 EST.

Rest of Len's typical ARRL bashing snipped.

N2EY wrote:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
As of 1300 EST on 27 Oct 03, the ARRL news page has not one
word

http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2003/10/27/2/?nc=1

as of 1640 EST.

This leaves Len munching his brogans once again.

Rest of Len's typical ARRL bashing snipped.

Hasn't Len made it clear on any number of occasions that he is not
anti-ARRL?

Dave K8MN

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

N2EY wrote:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...
As of 1300 EST on 27 Oct 03, the ARRL news page has not one
word

http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2003/10/27/2/?nc=1

as of 1640 EST.

This leaves Len munching his brogans once again.

Shut the hell up, you little USMC feldwebel. Learn to READ English.

As of 1 PM EST on the 27th of October the ARRL website news
page had NOTHING about the California wildfires. NOTHING.

Go "munch" someone else's shoes, preferrably some CROW
as dessert.

Rest of Len's typical ARRL bashing snipped.

Hasn't Len made it clear on any number of occasions that he is not
anti-ARRL?

ARRL is an EASTERN headquartered organization, more specifically
in the northeastern USA. ARRL doesn't seem to recognize that
MOST of the USA lives WEST of the Mississippi...including licensed
US radio amateurs.

I'm not "anti-ARRL." I'm just showing what they are and what they
are NOT. What they are NOT is NOT "representing ALL amateurs."

ARRL is eastern-oriented, almost obsessively so in concentration
east of the Mississippi. Not my problem. It's ARRL's problem.

Maybe that's why ARRL membership remains a minority of all
licensed US radio amateurs (only a quarter).

All the ARRL "represents" is its membership...but mostly it is the
executives and staff and board of directors of the ARRL that is
represented. Membership has to fall in line with that or be
excommunicated.

To bad about your demotion in the United States Morse Codists
(USMC). You deserved it, though. Enjoy.

LHA

Len Over 21 wrote:
In article , Dave Heil
writes:


N2EY wrote:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message

...

As of 1300 EST on 27 Oct 03, the ARRL news page has not one
word

http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2003/10/27/2/?nc=1

as of 1640 EST.

This leaves Len munching his brogans once again.


Shut the hell up, you little USMC feldwebel. Learn to READ English.

As of 1 PM EST on the 27th of October the ARRL website news
page had NOTHING about the California wildfires. NOTHING.

Go "munch" someone else's shoes, preferrably some CROW
as dessert.


Rest of Len's typical ARRL bashing snipped.

Hasn't Len made it clear on any number of occasions that he is not
anti-ARRL?


ARRL is an EASTERN headquartered organization, more specifically
in the northeastern USA. ARRL doesn't seem to recognize that
MOST of the USA lives WEST of the Mississippi...including licensed
US radio amateurs.

I'm not "anti-ARRL." I'm just showing what they are and what they
are NOT. What they are NOT is NOT "representing ALL amateurs."

ARRL is eastern-oriented, almost obsessively so in concentration
east of the Mississippi. Not my problem. It's ARRL's problem.

Maybe that's why ARRL membership remains a minority of all
licensed US radio amateurs (only a quarter).

All the ARRL "represents" is its membership...but mostly it is the
executives and staff and board of directors of the ARRL that is
represented. Membership has to fall in line with that or be
excommunicated.

To bad about your demotion in the United States Morse Codists
(USMC). You deserved it, though. Enjoy.

LHA

Len, to kern an old phrase, "you don't know **** from Shinola". Now why
don't you go over to the cb group where you might find folks more down
on your lever?

In article , JJ
writes:

Len, to kern an old phrase, "you don't know **** from Shinola". Now why
don't you go over to the cb group where you might find folks more down
on your lever?

"Kern?!?"

Who the hell are YOU, "JJ?" You one of them "knuckle-dragging
CB-plussers?"

You can REPEAT a phrase (write it verbatim) or make subtle
changes to PARAPHRASE it or you can invent a new phrase as
if to COIN it. "Kern" refers to particulars in the shape of type
fonts...you can kern a character's appearance but you CANNOT
kern a phrase.

ARRL doesn't pretend to represent any Citizens Band Radio Service
users. There's no license for CB in the USA. There has NEVER
been any test for CB ever, not once since it was created 45 years
ago. Morse code was never, ever required in USA CB...and CB
does exist IN the HF spectrum.

ARRL pretends to "represent" all radio amateurs but all it REALLY
represents is the opinion of a minority in control of a minority
membership that has not exceeded a quarter of all licensed U. S.
radio amateurs.

LHA

Len under 21 wet his pants and wrote:

In article , JJ
writes:


Len, to kern an old phrase, "you don't know **** from Shinola". Now why
don't you go over to the cb group where you might find folks more down
on your lever?


"Kern?!?"

Who the hell are YOU, "JJ?" You one of them "knuckle-dragging
CB-plussers?"

You can REPEAT a phrase (write it verbatim) or make subtle
changes to PARAPHRASE it or you can invent a new phrase as
if to COIN it. "Kern" refers to particulars in the shape of type
fonts...you can kern a character's appearance but you CANNOT
kern a phrase.

ARRL doesn't pretend to represent any Citizens Band Radio Service
users. There's no license for CB in the USA. There has NEVER
been any test for CB ever, not once since it was created 45 years
ago. Morse code was never, ever required in USA CB...and CB
does exist IN the HF spectrum.

ARRL pretends to "represent" all radio amateurs but all it REALLY
represents is the opinion of a minority in control of a minority
membership that has not exceeded a quarter of all licensed U. S.
radio amateurs.

LHA


I have been a ham for over 40 years, so how long have you been one?

"Kern" is the word Ed Norton use for coin in the "Honeymooners". My use
of it is just a valid as you saying "one of them" instead of "one of
those". Good grief you are dumb.

Why should the ARRL pretend to represent the CB Radio Service? It was
established to represent the Amateur operators long before CB ever came
into being. Who would want to represent the sewer pit of communication
that CB has become? Why would they want to represent a bunch of idiots
who haven't a clue as how to properly use radio communication, that
operate in a number of illegal ways and cause general havoc on the radio
spectrum. The ARRL should not touch CB with a 10 foot pole.

Morse code was never, ever required in USA CB...and CB
does exist IN the HF spectrum

And there are a lot of other users of the HF spectrum that do not
require knowledge of Morse code. When it comes to the code issue the
subject is Amateur radio not the chicken band. So what's you point?

So who in the hell are you? Just another knuckle dragging dumb cber I
suppose. As I said, "you don't know **** from Shinola".

In article , JJ
writes:


I have been a ham for over 40 years, so how long have you been one?

I was on HF legally beginning in February 1953, a 1 KW BC-339,
one of 36 total transmitters at Army station ADA...increased to 43
by 1956. I got my first radio operator license from a single test at
an FCC field office in Chicago in March, 1956 (First Class
Radiotelephone).

I've never had, or tried to get, any amateur radio license. Mostly
because I've been a professional in radio-electronics for a half
century.

You know what? The FCC doesn't require any commissioners or
staff to have amateur radio licenses in order to MAKE regulations
concerning amateur radio. How about that!?

"Kern" is the word Ed Norton use for coin in the "Honeymooners". My use
of it is just a valid as you saying "one of them" instead of "one of
those". Good grief you are dumb.

The "Honeymooners" went OFF the air long ago. Jackie Gleason
left this world a long time ago. Not everyone was a fan of a New
York based TV show on CBS during the black and white years.

DOS Tip: Not everyone speaks in New Yorkese or Jerseyish or buys
"gaz" for his auto while in Philly.


And there are a lot of other users of the HF spectrum that do not
require knowledge of Morse code. When it comes to the code issue the
subject is Amateur radio not the chicken band. So what's you point?

The subject is NOT old black-and-white broadcast television, either.

So who in the hell are you? Just another knuckle dragging dumb cber I
suppose. As I said, "you don't know **** from Shinola".

Leonard H. Anderson

You want my mailing address? Look in the FCC ECFS for the 14
petitions for and against amateur radio code testing. You will find
my name and address and comments in there, at least two documents
per RM.

I don't work with feces and I don't make shoe polish. I'm a professional
in radio-electronics who has not hidden his identity.

YOU on the other hand, HIDE behind a couple letters and act tuff.
No USA database lists any "JJ" as the name of any licensed radio
amateur. Perhaps a foreign country might have it? :-)

Insufficient courage to reveal your identity "JJ?" Or are you going
to rationalize your gutless fear somehow?

LHA

Why should the ARRL pretend to represent the CB Radio Service? It was
established to represent the Amateur operators long before CB ever
came into being. Who would want to represent the sewer pit of
communication that CB has become? Why would they want to represent a
bunch of idiots who haven't a clue as how to properly use radio
communication, that operate in a number of illegal ways and cause
general havoc on the radio spectrum. The ARRL should not touch CB with
a 10 foot pole.

I wouldn't touch it with an 11 meter pole. :-)


Morse code was never, ever required in USA CB...and CB
does exist IN the HF spectrum

CB is not amateur, and one of the rules of the CB service is no
international comms.
Not that it's enforced......

"you don't know **** from Shinola".

Well, you can't polish a turd...... ;-)

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

N2EY wrote:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...
As of 1300 EST on 27 Oct 03, the ARRL news page has not one
word

http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2003/10/27/2/?nc=1

as of 1640 EST.

This leaves Len munching his brogans once again.

Shut the hell up, you little USMC feldwebel. Learn to READ English.

Temper, temper, kindly old timer. What are you, some kind of CONTROL
freak?

As of 1 PM EST on the 27th of October the ARRL website news
page had NOTHING about the California wildfires. NOTHING.

That's right. They had NOTHING. Yet a could of hours later, they had
SOMETHING. SOMETHING.

Go "munch" someone else's shoes, preferrably some CROW
as dessert.

I'm not the one who took the potshot at amateur radio and the ARRL only
to have it blow up in his face.

Rest of Len's typical ARRL bashing snipped.

Hasn't Len made it clear on any number of occasions that he is not
anti-ARRL?

ARRL is an EASTERN headquartered organization, more specifically
in the northeastern USA.

There are many WESTERN headquartered organizations. Is it your opinion
that all organizations should be headquartered near the center of
population? If not, why the fuss?

ARRL doesn't seem to recognize that
MOST of the USA lives WEST of the Mississippi...including licensed
US radio amateurs.

It doesn't seem that way to me. Directors are representative of the
areas in which they live. Why should you be concerned? You aren't
involved with the ARRL.

I'm not "anti-ARRL."

Your frequent statements about the League would indicate otherwise.
Would you care to see a few of them googled up?

I'm just showing what they are and what they
are NOT. What they are NOT is NOT "representing ALL amateurs."

How are you "showing" anything? You aren't involved.

ARRL is eastern-oriented, almost obsessively so in concentration
east of the Mississippi. Not my problem. It's ARRL's problem.

No, your errors are your problem. You've gone from making statements
about an EASTERN headquarted organization to stating that the ARRL is
eastern-oriented. You keep trying to make an issue of something which
is not an issue.

Maybe that's why ARRL membership remains a minority of all
licensed US radio amateurs (only a quarter).

Only a quarter? What other amateur radio organization has more than a
fraction of that number making up its membership?

All the ARRL "represents" is its membership...but mostly it is the
executives and staff and board of directors of the ARRL that is
represented.

AARP claims to represent retirees. The American Legion claims to
represent veterans. Labor unions claim to represent workers. The NAACP
claims to represent colored people.

Membership has to fall in line with that or be
excommunicated.

If those words came from anyone else, I'd say that they were an error.
Since they come from you, I say they're a deliberate untruth.

To bad about your demotion in the United States Morse Codists
(USMC). You deserved it, though. Enjoy.

Take your lithium.

Dave K8MN