(N2EY) wrote in message ...

The inescapable conclusion is that many of those listed in the database are
either totally inactive or only slightly active.

Then the Morse Myth of needing the Exam to keep the bands from getting
congested is what?

"N2EY" wrote


The inescapable conclusion is that many of those listed in the database
are
either totally inactive or only slightly active.


I don't think it's "inescapable" --- in fact, I think it's incredibly
far-fetched to expect that...

1) ...1% of all of us would be on the air transmitting at any given moment,
and....

2) ... even if we were, that more than a fraction of that 1% would be heard
at any given QTH, presuming they're somewhat evenly distributed across the
available 3,750 kHz of spectrum.

I consider myself a reasonably active licensee, perhaps more active than the
average. Other than contest weekends, my transmitter is actually ON THE AIR
transmitting a signal perhaps no more than 60 minutes a week. That's less
than 1% of the time that you could hear on the air, propagation permitting.
If everyone were as active as me, it would take 168 hams transmitting (and
presumably another 168 listening --- total of 336 hams) to keep a single
frequency occupied 24/7. Now if we suppose that on average, each ongoing
QSO occupies 1kHz of spectrum (phone takes up more, morse and data take up
less) we'd need 1,260,000 (336 x 3750) active hams to keep all frequencies
QRL 24/7. Of course this presumes that every QSO would be heard everywhere,
but thanks to the magic of RF propagation, we are able share most
frequencies geographically, and in fact more than two stations can
simultaneously use a single frequency.

So much for your 'inescapable' conclusion!!!

73, de Hans, K0HB

In article . net, "KØHB"
writes:

I don't think it's "inescapable" --- in fact, I think it's incredibly
far-fetched to expect that...

1) ...1% of all of us would be on the air transmitting at any given moment,
and....

That works out to 1 hour and 22 minutes of transmitting per week per ham.

2) ... even if we were, that more than a fraction of that 1% would be heard
at any given QTH,

Very true!

presuming they're somewhat evenly distributed across the
available 3,750 kHz of spectrum.

That's the really far-fetched part. Distribution won't ever be even or even
nearly so, by frequency or time. At 2AM local during sunspot minimum, the 1700
kHz of 10 meters isn't lilkely to be full of signals.

I consider myself a reasonably active licensee, perhaps more active than the
average. Other than contest weekends, my transmitter is actually ON THE AIR
transmitting a signal perhaps no more than 60 minutes a week. That's less
than 1% of the time that you could hear on the air, propagation permitting.

Well, there you have it. Some would say an hour a week is reasonably active,
others would say it's quite inactive, etc. YMMV

If everyone were as active as me, it would take 168 hams transmitting (and
presumably another 168 listening --- total of 336 hams) to keep a single
frequency occupied 24/7.

And that's the point - everyone isn't even as active as you (on noncontest
weekends)

Now if we suppose that on average, each ongoing
QSO occupies 1kHz of spectrum (phone takes up more, morse and data take up
less) we'd need 1,260,000 (336 x 3750) active hams to keep all frequencies
QRL 24/7.

Exactly! And the bands aren't anywhere near that busy - even on contest
weekends.

Of course this presumes that every QSO would be heard everywhere,
but thanks to the magic of RF propagation, we are able share most
frequencies geographically, and in fact more than two stations can
simultaneously use a single frequency.

And then there's things like roundtables and nets.

So much for your 'inescapable' conclusion!!!

bwaahaahaa



73 de Jim, N2EY

(N2EY) wrote in message ...
In article . net, "KØHB"
writes:

I don't think it's "inescapable" --- in fact, I think it's incredibly
far-fetched to expect that...

1) ...1% of all of us would be on the air transmitting at any given moment,
and....

That works out to 1 hour and 22 minutes of transmitting per week per ham.

Most hams listen far more than they transmit - but you might be an
exception.

One hour and 22 minutes of transmitting could easily be more than 8
hours of hamming.

Retirees might have that kind of time...

"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message igy.com...
"Dave Heil" wrote in message
...
Len Over 21 wrote:
[snip]
Three-fourths of all licensed U.S. radio amateurs "took that view"
and are NOT members.

You have no idea of the views held by those radio amateurs who are or
are not members of the ARRL, Leonard. You aren't a player from within
or without.


And there are simply a lot of people who are not joiners. What percent of
the seniors belong to AARP? What percent of gun owners belong to the NRA.
With 1/4 or so of the licensed amateurs belonging to ARRL, it would not be
surprising to if the ARRL were to rank quite high on the list of target
group people actually belonging to the organization.

Sounds like you have your work cut out for yourself. Do you think you
can gather the data, verify it, analyse it, and report your
conclusions in a week? two weeks? Go ahead and take as long as you
like.

[snip]
Three-fourths of all U.S. radio amateurs are NOT members.

Think on that, Klunk.

I've thought about it. One quarter of U.S. radio amateurs ARE members.
You are not in either camp.

Dave K8MN

It would be interesting to compare the ARRL membership percentage to groups
like AARP and NRA.

I think the average age of the NRA members would be much lower than
the two retirement organizations. ;^)

But I thought that this was an Amateur Radio discussion. ;^0

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

Three-fourths of all U.S. radio amateurs are NOT members.

Think on that, Klunk.

I've thought about it.

Made your head hurt?

Not at all.

Poor baby.

I'm not poor and I'm not your baby.

One quarter of U.S. radio amateurs ARE members.

A MINORITY.

The LARGEST organization of radio amateurs in this country. The
minority making up the League's membership vastly exceeds your army of
one.

You still don't understand the difference between "minority" and
"majority," do you?

You are not in either camp.

I'm in our home office right now. Haven't been to "camp" for a while.

Why do you ask?

I asked you nothing. Pay attention.

Is there a morse camp one has to go to in amateur radio?

:-)

Maybe there is a morse camp available. Perhaps it could help with your
morse learning disability. :-) :-)

Dave K8MN

Dave Heil wrote:
Len Over 21 wrote:

snippage


You are not in either camp.

I'm in our home office right now. Haven't been to "camp" for a while.

Why do you ask?


I asked you nothing. Pay attention.


Is there a morse camp one has to go to in amateur radio?

:-)


Maybe there is a morse camp available. Perhaps it could help with your
morse learning disability. :-) :-)


Well, there is this:

http://www.trefoilnet.net/disp/morse.htm

- Mike KB3EIA -

Mike Coslo wrote:

Dave Heil wrote:
Len Over 21 wrote:

snippage

You are not in either camp.

I'm in our home office right now. Haven't been to "camp" for a while.

Why do you ask?


I asked you nothing. Pay attention.


Is there a morse camp one has to go to in amateur radio?

:-)


Maybe there is a morse camp available. Perhaps it could help with your
morse learning disability. :-) :-)

Well, there is this:

http://www.trefoilnet.net/disp/morse.htm

I think you've come up with some valueable aids for overcoming Len's
inertia.

Dave K8MN

Dave Heil wrote:
Mike Coslo wrote:

Dave Heil wrote:

Len Over 21 wrote:

snippage

You are not in either camp.

I'm in our home office right now. Haven't been to "camp" for a while.

Why do you ask?


I asked you nothing. Pay attention.



Is there a morse camp one has to go to in amateur radio?

:-)


Maybe there is a morse camp available. Perhaps it could help with your
morse learning disability. :-) :-)

Well, there is this:

http://www.trefoilnet.net/disp/morse.htm


I think you've come up with some valueable aids for overcoming Len's
inertia.

Always willing to help!

- Mike KB3EIA -

Dave Heil wrote:
Len Over 21 wrote:

snippage

You are not in either camp.

I'm in our home office right now. Haven't been to "camp" for a while.

Why do you ask?


I asked you nothing. Pay attention.


Is there a morse camp one has to go to in amateur radio?

:-)


Maybe there is a morse camp available. Perhaps it could help with your
morse learning disability. :-) :-)

Here, Len--I found one for you. Maybe a few of the lads will be able to
provide you some helpful pointers.

http://www.shohola.com/hamradio.html

Dave K8MN