In article , "Dr. Daffodil
Swain" writes:

Did you become a section director?

There's no such position. The ARRL has Section Managers, Division Directors and
Vice Directors.

Directors and Vice Directors are elected by the membership. And it is they who
set ARRL policy. They're from all over the country, not just Newington.

73 de Jim, N2EY

"I'm the ARRL"

N2EY wrote:

In article , "Dr. Daffodil
Swain" writes:


Did you become a section director?


There's no such position. The ARRL has Section Managers, Division Directors and
Vice Directors.

So the answer must be "no"! 8^)



Directors and Vice Directors are elected by the membership. And it is they who
set ARRL policy. They're from all over the country, not just Newington.

Yeah, but you guys know how to spoil a rant!

- Mike KB3EIA -

On 14 Dec 2003 17:37:43 GMT, N2EY wrote:

There's no such position. The ARRL has Section Managers, Division
Directors and Vice Directors.

Directors and Vice Directors are elected by the membership. And it is
they who set ARRL policy. They're from all over the country, not just
Newington.

The Section Managers are also elected by the membership of the
Section. In fact, in the Oregon Section we elected one about a year
or so ago and we didn't like what he was doing so we held a recall
election and out he went.

The system works.

In the several years when I was active in Pacific Division politics,
I became aware that there are Division Directors who challenge what
some folks refer to as the "Codfish Curtain". (Right, Hans ??). When
enough of them prevail, policy changes.

--
73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
ARRL Paid-Up Life Member

Len Over 21 wrote:


My comment is in that database. Is yours?

Yes it is.

- Mike KB3EIA -

In article , Mike Coslo
writes:

Len Over 21 wrote:

My comment is in that database. Is yours?

Yes it is.

On NOI 03-104, 23 Jun 03...good on you.

Now...how about on the 14 petitions?

LHA

(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
In article , Dave Heil
writes:

Three-fourths of all U.S. radio amateurs are NOT members.

Think on that, Klunk.

I've thought about it.

Made your head hurt?

Poor baby.

One quarter of U.S. radio amateurs ARE members.

A MINORITY.

You still don't understand the difference between "minority" and
"majority," do you?

Of this minority, the ARRL polled their little group in the mid-late
nineties, and came away with "no clear mandate." An even spilt within
the ranks of the true believers? So even at the time, something was
wearing away at the propaganda machine. I wonder what's happened
since then?

Now you've got hams kicking around the idea of a two license structure
w/o Morse Code for HF access.

In article ,
(Brian) writes:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...
In article , Dave Heil

writes:

Three-fourths of all U.S. radio amateurs are NOT members.

Think on that, Klunk.

I've thought about it.

Made your head hurt?

Poor baby.

One quarter of U.S. radio amateurs ARE members.

A MINORITY.

You still don't understand the difference between "minority" and
"majority," do you?

Of this minority, the ARRL polled their little group in the mid-late
nineties, and came away with "no clear mandate." An even spilt within
the ranks of the true believers? So even at the time, something was
wearing away at the propaganda machine. I wonder what's happened
since then?

As I see it the schism is from the general attitude of long-timers
evolving into two main groupings: Those that mightily resist change
and those who can accept change.

The first group wants a relatively inflexible hobby activity, generally
frozen at the standards and practices of the time when they first
became acquainted with amateur radio (usually their first license).
They want the hobby to remain relatively stable, something they
can identify with, something familiar and comforting. They want to
be first among their equals ("primus inter pares"). Such feel secure
only with the old familiar things. They take the fraternal order view
of amateur radio and thus build up a mystique amongst themselves
far greater than reality. Those favor morse code because the
fraternal order elders favored morse code when they were first into
amateur radio.

The second group is accepting of change and they are not afraid of
it (although the constant advancement of all electronics does cause
some irritation). They are more interested in communicating and the
communication arts, are willing to try out new things. They have a
more realistic view of amateur radio as an avocational activity and
don't have it become their lifestyle. They don't mind the "fraternal
order" aspect (some enjoy that) but, at the same time, they are
into trying out new things of many kinds. Their emphasis is on
communicating, not the mode of communication.

The first group appears to have been in control of the League since
the beginnings of that fraternal order as a local club. Such is a
positive-feedback condition which supports the generally conservative-
traditionalist fraternal brotherhood that is heavy into mystique. They
cannot abide the second group because they are resistant to
change. The end result is the schism kept wide by the first group.

The first group is secure and comfortable in familiar surroundings
(and familiar mystique). If something was good for their Daddy and
Grand-Daddy, then by damn it is good for them. Change is
anathema because that is not familiar and makes them insecure.
A side effect of that behavior is the pretense they are still as young
as when they were first licensed long ago...or that they want to be
that young again.

The upper echelons of the League have, by public statements and
Board meetings, indicated that they have a majority of the first
group. Hence the League remained adamant in supporting the
morse code test requirement of S25.5 long after the IARU came out
for revision. The upper echelons did the appeasement bit about a
year prior to WRC-03 by taking the Neutral stand on the code test.

A neutral stand is a nice, easy cop-out in public. It takes no sides
and thus doesn't cause as much controversy as taking one side or
the other. Such is "comfortable." It also creates more mystique
by the pretense that the upper echelons are "considering more
important matters (than the code test)." Since most of the League
membership has already passed a morse code test, it seems (to
the upper ranks) that the code test is "unimportant."

All of the above is understandable...except that change WILL
happen to the upper ranks whether or not they like it. League
membership hasn't been above the one-quarter mark for a long
time and the League NEEDS more members to survive whether
the U.S. amateur radio license totals increase or decrease. League
leadership needs to adapt to new times...denial of reality might be
okay for a few more years but such stalling tactics will only foment
a much larger event in the future.


Now you've got hams kicking around the idea of a two license structure
w/o Morse Code for HF access.

Unthinkable! :-)

"Morse code has always been in ham radio and it always will be!"

"The code test as always been in ham radio licensing and that's
how it must remain!"

"Nobody should be on HF unless they are licensed with a morse
code test!"

Brian, those aren't verbatim quotes but the gist of what they are
have been written by many of the beligerant "first-group" hams.

It should be clear that there will never be any "consensus" on
code testing as long as such beligerance remains rooted among
the self-styled elite morsemen of U.S. amateur radio.

LHA

(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
In article ,
(Brian) writes:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...
In article , Dave Heil

writes:

Three-fourths of all U.S. radio amateurs are NOT members.

Think on that, Klunk.

I've thought about it.

Made your head hurt?

Poor baby.

One quarter of U.S. radio amateurs ARE members.

A MINORITY.

You still don't understand the difference between "minority" and
"majority," do you?

Of this minority, the ARRL polled their little group in the mid-late
nineties, and came away with "no clear mandate." An even spilt within
the ranks of the true believers? So even at the time, something was
wearing away at the propaganda machine. I wonder what's happened
since then?

As I see it the schism is from the general attitude of long-timers
evolving into two main groupings: Those that mightily resist change
and those who can accept change.

The first group wants a relatively inflexible hobby activity, generally
frozen at the standards and practices of the time when they first
became acquainted with amateur radio (usually their first license).
They want the hobby to remain relatively stable, something they
can identify with, something familiar and comforting. They want to
be first among their equals ("primus inter pares"). Such feel secure
only with the old familiar things. They take the fraternal order view
of amateur radio and thus build up a mystique amongst themselves
far greater than reality. Those favor morse code because the
fraternal order elders favored morse code when they were first into
amateur radio.

The second group is accepting of change and they are not afraid of
it (although the constant advancement of all electronics does cause
some irritation). They are more interested in communicating and the
communication arts, are willing to try out new things. They have a
more realistic view of amateur radio as an avocational activity and
don't have it become their lifestyle. They don't mind the "fraternal
order" aspect (some enjoy that) but, at the same time, they are
into trying out new things of many kinds. Their emphasis is on
communicating, not the mode of communication.

The first group appears to have been in control of the League since
the beginnings of that fraternal order as a local club. Such is a
positive-feedback condition which supports the generally conservative-
traditionalist fraternal brotherhood that is heavy into mystique. They
cannot abide the second group because they are resistant to
change. The end result is the schism kept wide by the first group.

The first group is secure and comfortable in familiar surroundings
(and familiar mystique). If something was good for their Daddy and
Grand-Daddy, then by damn it is good for them. Change is
anathema because that is not familiar and makes them insecure.
A side effect of that behavior is the pretense they are still as young
as when they were first licensed long ago...or that they want to be
that young again.

The upper echelons of the League have, by public statements and
Board meetings, indicated that they have a majority of the first
group. Hence the League remained adamant in supporting the
morse code test requirement of S25.5 long after the IARU came out
for revision. The upper echelons did the appeasement bit about a
year prior to WRC-03 by taking the Neutral stand on the code test.

A neutral stand is a nice, easy cop-out in public. It takes no sides
and thus doesn't cause as much controversy as taking one side or
the other. Such is "comfortable." It also creates more mystique
by the pretense that the upper echelons are "considering more
important matters (than the code test)." Since most of the League
membership has already passed a morse code test, it seems (to
the upper ranks) that the code test is "unimportant."

All of the above is understandable...except that change WILL
happen to the upper ranks whether or not they like it. League
membership hasn't been above the one-quarter mark for a long
time and the League NEEDS more members to survive whether
the U.S. amateur radio license totals increase or decrease. League
leadership needs to adapt to new times...denial of reality might be
okay for a few more years but such stalling tactics will only foment
a much larger event in the future.


Now you've got hams kicking around the idea of a two license structure
w/o Morse Code for HF access.

Unthinkable! :-)

"Morse code has always been in ham radio and it always will be!"

"The code test as always been in ham radio licensing and that's
how it must remain!"

"Nobody should be on HF unless they are licensed with a morse
code test!"

Brian, those aren't verbatim quotes but the gist of what they are
have been written by many of the beligerant "first-group" hams.

It should be clear that there will never be any "consensus" on
code testing as long as such beligerance remains rooted among
the self-styled elite morsemen of U.S. amateur radio.

LHA

Darn-it, Len, I wanted Dee to say those things.

I think those endless droplets of water falling and hitting her
between the eyes, while listening to Farnsworth-spaced propoganda from
W1AW will be hard to undo.

In article ,
(Brian) writes:

It should be clear that there will never be any "consensus" on
code testing as long as such beligerance remains rooted among
the self-styled elite morsemen of U.S. amateur radio.

LHA

Darn-it, Len, I wanted Dee to say those things.

She never will... :-)


I think those endless droplets of water falling and hitting her
between the eyes, while listening to Farnsworth-spaced propoganda from
W1AW will be hard to undo.

Nah. It's a more subtle form of propaganda...lying by omission.

Any organization that has a large media base can do that bit
by simply omitting content that is unfavorable to the media Hq.

They control the media content.

If the high wire-pullers at the League want to emphasize code by
deemphasizing all other modes, they have perfect control to do so.

No one else will be the wiser if all the news-events-doings comes
their way via League-controlled information. Everyone is captive
if they don't have other sources of information. Very subtle.

LHA

(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
In article ,
(Brian) writes:

It should be clear that there will never be any "consensus" on
code testing as long as such beligerance remains rooted among
the self-styled elite morsemen of U.S. amateur radio.

LHA

Darn-it, Len, I wanted Dee to say those things.

She never will... :-)


I think those endless droplets of water falling and hitting her
between the eyes, while listening to Farnsworth-spaced propoganda from
W1AW will be hard to undo.

Nah. It's a more subtle form of propaganda...lying by omission.

Any organization that has a large media base can do that bit
by simply omitting content that is unfavorable to the media Hq.

They control the media content.

If the high wire-pullers at the League want to emphasize code by
deemphasizing all other modes, they have perfect control to do so.

No one else will be the wiser if all the news-events-doings comes
their way via League-controlled information. Everyone is captive
if they don't have other sources of information. Very subtle.

Kind of like the vast left-wing conspiracy of mass media giving us the
minutest detail of every US soldier being KIA, but rarely mentioning
how effective we've been at reducing the number of enemy combattants.