(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message . com...
(William) wrote in message om...
(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message . com...
(William) wrote in message om...
Dave Heil wrote in message ...

As used in regard to amateur radio licensing, hazing may be considered
to be anything that one thinks he can't do or simply refuses to do.

Dave K8MN

I simply refuse to work French amateurs out of band.

Do you have a reference of all international band allocations so
that when an Amateur of ANY nationality answers your call, you can
quickly look up that nations's regulations and determine the alidity
of that station's operation?

That's what you're suggesting.

Steve, K4YZ

No, Steve, I'm not suggesting that at all. Notice that I referenced
one country, and that was France. See above. A French amateur
replied to Dave what the French 6 Meter allocations were, and another
ham on here verified the allocations via a French telecom website.
Its really not as hard as you think it is.

Sure it is...If we do it for "the French", then why not the
Russians, Poles, Czechs, South Africans, etc etc etc...?!?!

I didn't say that. I said "if you knew that they were operating out
of band, would you work them anyway?"

No one other than Dave, and now you, has ever proposed having to know
all amateur allocations at all times.

The question was, "if you knew..."

Are you saying that you would knowingly work out of band amateurs?

So if you know that Frenchmen are on 6 Meters out of band, do you keep
working them? What if it's a downtown Dar el Salam hazing ritual?

How am I to know from one day to the next what a Frrenchman's
allocations are?

You're not being asked to.

I asked "if you knew that they were operating out of band, would you
work them anyway?"

No one other than Dave, and now you, has ever proposed having to know
all amateur allocations at all times.

The question was, "if you knew..."

Are you saying that you would knowingly work out of band amateurs?


Thier government is just as likely as ours is to
change the rules, so without keeping a database of some sort on
EVERYONE'S allocations, how is a prudent American Amateur to know if
the guy/gal he's working is "legit" or not?

That wasn't the question, and you know it. Just another diversion.
But I'll bet they're the same as when Dave was working out-of-banders
in downtown Dar es Salaam.

So many Dave apologists, so little time.

In article ,
(William) writes:

(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message
.com...
(William) wrote in message
. com...
(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message
.com...
(William) wrote in message
. com...
Dave Heil wrote in message
...

As used in regard to amateur radio licensing, hazing may be
considered
to be anything that one thinks he can't do or simply refuses to do.


Dave K8MN

I simply refuse to work French amateurs out of band.

Do you have a reference of all international band allocations so
that when an Amateur of ANY nationality answers your call, you can
quickly look up that nations's regulations and determine the alidity
of that station's operation?

That's what you're suggesting.

Steve, K4YZ

No, Steve, I'm not suggesting that at all. Notice that I referenced
one country, and that was France. See above. A French amateur
replied to Dave what the French 6 Meter allocations were, and another
ham on here verified the allocations via a French telecom website.
Its really not as hard as you think it is.

Sure it is...If we do it for "the French", then why not the
Russians, Poles, Czechs, South Africans, etc etc etc...?!?!

I didn't say that. I said "if you knew that they were operating out
of band, would you work them anyway?"

No one other than Dave, and now you, has ever proposed having to know
all amateur allocations at all times.

The question was, "if you knew..."

Are you saying that you would knowingly work out of band amateurs?

So if you know that Frenchmen are on 6 Meters out of band, do you keep
working them? What if it's a downtown Dar el Salam hazing ritual?

How am I to know from one day to the next what a Frrenchman's
allocations are?

You're not being asked to.

I asked "if you knew that they were operating out of band, would you
work them anyway?"

No one other than Dave, and now you, has ever proposed having to know
all amateur allocations at all times.

The question was, "if you knew..."

Are you saying that you would knowingly work out of band amateurs?

He might. To paraphrase, "lonely are the brave." :-)

Thier government is just as likely as ours is to
change the rules, so without keeping a database of some sort on
EVERYONE'S allocations, how is a prudent American Amateur to know if
the guy/gal he's working is "legit" or not?

That wasn't the question, and you know it. Just another diversion.
But I'll bet they're the same as when Dave was working out-of-banders
in downtown Dar es Salaam.

So many Dave apologists, so little time.

Go easy on Dave. He is busy revolutionizing the Internet by using
it as a transporter to download hardware.

Important work. Actual pioneering.

After that, who knows? He might invent transparent aluminum
and tell Scotty all about it.

He'll go where no ham has gone before...

LHA / WMD

(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...

Go easy on Dave. He is busy revolutionizing the Internet by using
it as a transporter to download hardware.

Lennie Anderson: "I am only here to civilly debate the morse code test issue".

Obviously not.

Steve, K4YZ

Len Over 21 wrote:

Go easy on Dave. He is busy revolutionizing the Internet by using
it as a transporter to download hardware.

Important work. Actual pioneering.

You might recall that I provided you with a definition for "firmware",
not "hardware" and I pointed you to the Ten-Tec site where downloads of
"Firmware Upgrades" can be undertaken. It looks as if anyone who
depends upon you for accurate information is doomed to disappointment.
You aren't one to let facts stand in your way.

He'll go where no ham has gone before...

I've already been to several places where damned few have gone.
Any licensed ham is apt to have gone a number of places where you've not
been.

Dave K8MN

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

Len Over 21 wrote:

Go easy on Dave. He is busy revolutionizing the Internet by using
it as a transporter to download hardware.

Important work. Actual pioneering.

You might recall that I provided you with a definition for "firmware",
not "hardware" and I pointed you to the Ten-Tec site where downloads of
"Firmware Upgrades" can be undertaken. It looks as if anyone who
depends upon you for accurate information is doomed to disappointment.
You aren't one to let facts stand in your way.

Yah. Da pros only look to Ten-Tec for information on definitions.

Shure dey do, big daddy dave.

You're getting more bizarre every day.

Hmmm...your Matter Transformer must have malfunctioned in
downloading all that hardware...made you irritable and gave you
IBS.

He'll go where no ham has gone before...

I've already been to several places where damned few have gone.
Any licensed ham is apt to have gone a number of places where you've not
been.

Ooooo! More foam! :-)

Hell kicked you out?!?

I've been (indirectly) to the Moon, Mars, Venus, all without needing
any license. That includes "working" a station ON the Moon. No
QSL, though, although I've got some printouts on it.

What is all this stuff about going where the damned have gone?
Is morsemanship really all that bad?

LHA / WMD

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

Len Over 21 wrote:

Go easy on Dave. He is busy revolutionizing the Internet by using
it as a transporter to download hardware.

Important work. Actual pioneering.

You might recall that I provided you with a definition for "firmware",
not "hardware" and I pointed you to the Ten-Tec site where downloads of
"Firmware Upgrades" can be undertaken. It looks as if anyone who
depends upon you for accurate information is doomed to disappointment.
You aren't one to let facts stand in your way.

Yah. Da pros only look to Ten-Tec for information on definitions.

Shure dey do, big daddy dave.

You're getting more bizarre every day.

Maybe it slipped your mind that the definition did not come from
Ten-Tec, old boy. Again, I provided you with a definition and a link to
the Ten-Tec site containing the term. Take it up with the providers of
the serveral definitions I found online and/or with Ten-Tec. They don't
seem to support your earlier statements on the topic.

Hmmm...your Matter Transformer must have malfunctioned in
downloading all that hardware...made you irritable and gave you
IBS.

I'll correct you once again. I never wrote of downloading hardware. I
wrote of downloading firmware upgrades. Do try and keep things
straight.

He'll go where no ham has gone before...

I've already been to several places where damned few have gone.
Any licensed ham is apt to have gone a number of places where you've not
been.

Ooooo! More foam! :-)

Naw, Len, just more fact.

Hell kicked you out?!?

I've been (indirectly) to the Moon, Mars, Venus, all without needing
any license. That includes "working" a station ON the Moon. No
QSL, though, although I've got some printouts on it.

As far as I'm concerned, Leonard, you're still waaaaay out there.

What is all this stuff about going where the damned have gone?
Is morsemanship really all that bad?

I see you in an amateur radio purgatory--still waiting for a decision on
whether you'll be in or out.


Dave K8MN

In article , Dave Heil emineminent scientist
writes:

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , Dave Heil

writes:

Maybe it slipped your mind that the definition did not come from
Ten-Tec, old boy.

Noooo...I provided the definition based on the whole rest of the
electronics industry.

Again, I provided you with a definition and a link to
the Ten-Tec site containing the term. Take it up with the providers of
the serveral definitions I found online and/or with Ten-Tec. They don't
seem to support your earlier statements on the topic.

Snarly dave, stay in retirement on that pension...you couldn't get
a job in the real electronics industry under your daffynitions.

Go play with your radios and try to understand the instructions for
your mighty orion. Are they written in English?


I'll correct you once again. I never wrote of downloading hardware. I
wrote of downloading firmware upgrades. Do try and keep things
straight.

It's hard to play straight in this radio vaudeville slapstick. :-)

Don't forget the HCF instruction!


I see you in an amateur radio purgatory--still waiting for a decision on
whether you'll be in or out.

Poor baby. Your imagination giving you poor pictures again?

Develop them. I suggest Kodak D-76.

Dial up Ten-Tec and see if they have some fantasy firmware to
download. Upgrade your imagination.

LHA / WMD

On 05 Feb 2004 20:00:23 GMT, (Len Over 21) wrote:

snip

Poor baby. Your imagination giving you poor pictures again?

Develop them. I suggest Kodak D-76.

Now THAT brought back memories - rolling 620 Verichrome Pan film into
the developing tank under that @#$%^ dark green safelight....mixing
the developer and getting it to exactly 68 degrees F.......another
hobby, another time - long ago.

D-76 is good for B&W film only, though. These discussions are far too
colourful for anything less than Ektachrome.....definitely Kodak
moments, though!

snip

LHA / WMD

73, Leo

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , Dave Heil emineminent scientist
writes:

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , Dave Heil

writes:

Maybe it slipped your mind that the definition did not come from
Ten-Tec, old boy.

Noooo...I provided the definition based on the whole rest of the
electronics industry.

You provided? Your statement seems at odds with the other definitions
in existence.

Again, I provided you with a definition and a link to
the Ten-Tec site containing the term. Take it up with the providers of
the serveral definitions I found online and/or with Ten-Tec. They don't
seem to support your earlier statements on the topic.

Snarly dave, stay in retirement on that pension...you couldn't get
a job in the real electronics industry under your daffynitions.

Go play with your radios and try to understand the instructions for
your mighty orion. Are they written in English?

I'll take that as your only way of conceding a point.

I'll correct you once again. I never wrote of downloading hardware. I
wrote of downloading firmware upgrades. Do try and keep things
straight.

It's hard to play straight in this radio vaudeville slapstick. :-)

I'll bet it is, especially when you have no material. You'll have to
fall back on your usual, the tap dancing routine.

Dave K8MN

(William) wrote in message . com...

Are you saying that you would knowingly work out of band amateurs?

Without the aforementioned database of EVERYONE'S allocations,
how would it be possible for anyone to KNOW who is "out of band" and
who's legit?

How am I to know from one day to the next what a Frrenchman's
allocations are?

You're not being asked to.

(Sheeesh!)

SURE I am! Today I may "know" than the "F" guys can't use
52.525Mhz, but what about tomorrow...the day after...6 hours from now?

That's why it's incumbent upon the transmitting station to know
where he/she is operating...NOT me.

I asked "if you knew that they were operating out of band, would you
work them anyway?"

And without keeping some instantly updated database, HOW am I
supposed to know this?

No one other than Dave, and now you, has ever proposed having to know
all amateur allocations at all times.

Then that makes two of us who see the hillarity of your rantings
about who was "out-of-band" and who wasn't.

You and Lennie are the only two trying to make issue out of it.
Lennie tries because he's an idiot with NO license and NO experience
operating.

YOUR excuse...?!?!

The question was, "if you knew..."

I would "know" if I had some means of being informed. I don't.
MOST U.S. Amateurs I know don't.

Are you saying that you would knowingly work out of band amateurs?

Under what circumstances...I have "worked" stations out of my
"authorized" bands before. But I ALSO had good reason and
justification for it.

Thier government is just as likely as ours is to
change the rules, so without keeping a database of some sort on
EVERYONE'S allocations, how is a prudent American Amateur to know if
the guy/gal he's working is "legit" or not?

That wasn't the question, and you know it. Just another diversion.
But I'll bet they're the same as when Dave was working out-of-banders
in downtown Dar es Salaam.

It's not a "diversion"...You are trying to insist that everyone
"know" where other Amateurs are legally operating or not...but then
you disclaim that's your intent...Your actions prove otherwise.

So many Dave apologists, so little time.

It's not apolgetic. It's the truth.

Steve, K4YZ