In article , Robert Casey
writes:

Where did society get the mistaken impression that sex is bad, but
violence is OK?

Nuns in Catholic grammar school routinely used violence on the kids,

"Robert Casey, you bold brazen article, how dare you talk like that!"

but would sure be upset about anything vaguely about sex....

In my experience, such things would make them violent. In fact almost
anything could make an IHM nun violent. Bunch of nutcases, actually.

Is that really what we want to teach our children?

No!

I wouldn't want to subject kids to the crap I had to endure in said
school.

Nor I!

What all that violence really taught kids was that violence was the
preferred method to solve problems and get your way. As if.

The irony is that they were responsible for the creation of millions
of ex-catholics.

73 de Jim, N2EY

N2EY wrote:

In article , Robert Casey
writes:



Where did society get the mistaken impression that sex is bad, but
violence is OK?



Nuns in Catholic grammar school routinely used violence on the kids,



"Robert Casey, you bold brazen article, how dare you talk like that!"



but would sure be upset about anything vaguely about sex....



In my experience, such things would make them violent. In fact almost
anything could make an IHM nun violent. Bunch of nutcases, actually.

I had anotehr species of nuns in my school. "Sisters of Mercy" IIRC,
but there
was no mercy if you forgot your homework.....



On the first or second day of 1st grade, the nun teacher had to leave our
classroom for a few minutes. Of course some of us were talking and making
noise, as small kids will. When she got back, she freaked out. Made the
kids line up at her desk and punish each one in turn. Must have been 20
minutes
it took to do all 30 something kids.

Also on the first day, it was time for lunch, as the nun announced it. So
I get out my sandwitch and started eating in my desk. Nun freaks.
How would I know that the school had another room for eating lunch?
Have heard that teachers nowadays are taught to anticipate kids not
knowing such things when they start school....

In article , Robert Casey
writes:

N2EY wrote:

In article , Robert Casey
writes:

Where did society get the mistaken impression that sex is bad, but
violence is OK?

Nuns in Catholic grammar school routinely used violence on the kids,

"Robert Casey, you bold brazen article, how dare you talk like that!"

but would sure be upset about anything vaguely about sex....

In my experience, such things would make them violent. In fact almost
anything could make an IHM nun violent. Bunch of nutcases, actually.

I had anotehr species of nuns in my school. "Sisters of Mercy" IIRC,
but there was no mercy if you forgot your homework.....

Oyez, they had it down to an art. Grab a bit of a kid's hair and dribble his
head on the slate blackboard was one trick.

I remember one nun who busted an 18 inch wooden ruler beating a kid,
so he had to go to a specific store after school and buy another with his own
money, (they cost about a quarter) and then bring it back the next day so she
could finish beating him with it.

On the first or second day of 1st grade, the nun teacher had to leave our
classroom for a few minutes. Of course some of us were talking and making
noise, as small kids will. When she got back, she freaked out. Made the
kids line up at her desk and punish each one in turn. Must have been 20
minutes it took to do all 30 something kids.

Only 30 kids in your first grade class? There were 70 (seventy) in mine.

IHM nuns preferred group punishment - keep the whole class after school or such
for the misdeeds of a few. The theory was that the innocent would beat the &^%
out of the offenders after school. Which happened sometimes.

Also on the first day, it was time for lunch, as the nun announced it. So
I get out my sandwitch and started eating in my desk. Nun freaks.
How would I know that the school had another room for eating lunch?

Oh man...

Have heard that teachers nowadays are taught to anticipate kids not
knowing such things when they start school....

Oh yes, but it's usually not needed, because nowadays most kids have
at least been to kndergarten, and most have been in preschool and day
care since diaper time. So they're more used to the whole concept of school.

But back in those days it was common for a kid to have never set foot in a
school or classroom until the first day of forst grade. I still remember other
kids being terrified. I wasn't - I'd gone to public school kindergarten.

Then I learned how different catholic school was...

73 de Jim, N2EY

I remember one nun who busted an 18 inch wooden ruler beating a kid,
so he had to go to a specific store after school and buy another with his own
money, (they cost about a quarter) and then bring it back the next day so she
could finish beating him with it.

One of the male nuns was going to hit my hand with the blackboard
pointer. I was
to hold out my hand, but I pulled it away by instinct to avoid getting
hit. He broke it
on the floor. He just let it go at that, as I think he may have thought
he went a hair
too far with this stuff. Not that he dialed it back much.... No he didn't
make me buy another pointer.



Oh yes, but it's usually not needed, because nowadays most kids have
at least been to kndergarten, and most have been in preschool and day
care since diaper time. So they're more used to the whole concept of school.

But back in those days it was common for a kid to have never set foot in a
school or classroom until the first day of first grade. I still remember other
kids being terrified. I wasn't - I'd gone to public school kindergarten.

Then I learned how different catholic school was...

I never finished kindergarden myself. Got thrown out of it in 2 weeks.
Was likely
partly that my mom had told me to not do anything a stranger tells me
to. Teacher
was a stranger..... I didn't know what the hell was going on with this
strange
place I got dumped off at one day.






In later grades (2 to 4 or so) I got placed in the "poor reader" group.
Because
I'd always be losing my place in the reader when it was my turn to read the
next paragraph out of the reading book. Well, who can keep track of
this while
several slow kids are slogging thru their paragraphs. I'd get bored and
read the
rest of teh story and finish it. And then not know where everyone else
is in it.
Teachers never figured this out.

They did have some good stuff. There was this thing called "SRA". Was
a box
of about a hundred different short stories and articles. Color coded
for level
of difficulty. You'd pull one of your current level and you'd read it
and answer
the questions on the back of it by yourself. Pass 5 of these little
tests and you
step up one level. Was an open book sort of test where you were allowed
and encouraged
to look at the story again as you did the questions. There were about
20 levels.

In article , Robert Casey
writes:

One of the male nuns was going to hit my hand with the blackboard
pointer. I was
to hold out my hand, but I pulled it away by instinct to avoid getting
hit. He broke it
on the floor. He just let it go at that, as I think he may have thought
he went a hair
too far with this stuff. Not that he dialed it back much.... No he didn't
make me buy another pointer.

Typical. Parochial school did more to create millions of excatholics....

Oh yes, but it's usually not needed, because nowadays most kids have
at least been to kndergarten, and most have been in preschool and day
care since diaper time. So they're more used to the whole concept of school.

But back in those days it was common for a kid to have never set foot in a
school or classroom until the first day of first grade. I still remember
other
kids being terrified. I wasn't - I'd gone to public school kindergarten.

Then I learned how different catholic school was...

I never finished kindergarden myself. Got thrown out of it in 2 weeks.
Was likely
partly that my mom had told me to not do anything a stranger tells me
to. Teacher
was a stranger..... I didn't know what the hell was going on with this
strange
place I got dumped off at one day.

HAW!!

In later grades (2 to 4 or so) I got placed in the "poor reader" group.
Because
I'd always be losing my place in the reader when it was my turn to read the
next paragraph out of the reading book. Well, who can keep track of
this while
several slow kids are slogging thru their paragraphs. I'd get bored and
read the
rest of teh story and finish it. And then not know where everyone else
is in it. Teachers never figured this out.

Had several nuns whose idea of "teaching" was to simply have a kid read from
the textbook. At any moment, Sister Mary Elephant would call out another kid's
name and if the kid didn't pick up on the very next word, he'd get a beating.
We became quite good at following along and daydreaming at the same time.

They did have some good stuff. There was this thing called "SRA". Was
a box
of about a hundred different short stories and articles. Color coded
for level
of difficulty. You'd pull one of your current level and you'd read it
and answer
the questions on the back of it by yourself. Pass 5 of these little
tests and you
step up one level. Was an open book sort of test where you were allowed
and encouraged
to look at the story again as you did the questions. There were about
20 levels.

I remember that! By 5th grade they'd run out of levels for me. I'd do 3 or 4 in
the time it took most of the rest of the kids to do one. And since you could
look back and check you answers, it was a cinch.

--

Another trick was that you never wanted your folks to find out when you got
beaten at school, because they'd give you more of the same at home, and a
lecture about how those blessed nuns had sacrificed their lives to teach you
ungrateful kids, etc. Well, we never asked 'em to.

Those were the bad old days.

73 de Jim, N2EY

N2EY wrote:

In article , Robert Casey
writes:



One of the male nuns was going to hit my hand with the blackboard
pointer. I was
to hold out my hand, but I pulled it away by instinct to avoid getting
hit. He broke it
on the floor. He just let it go at that, as I think he may have thought
he went a hair
too far with this stuff. Not that he dialed it back much.... No he didn't
make me buy another pointer.



Typical. Parochial school did more to create millions of excatholics....

There may have been this side effect that, after school I split the
joint as fast as I
could. Never saw any molestation (don't know if my particular school
had any of that,
but I wasn't at any risk of that).

Then there were the yearly school plays. You had two choices: be in it,
or buy a
50 cent ticket to the play. It was a no brainer: I paid the 50 cents
rather than have
to memorize lines and acts and spending more time at the school.






Had several nuns whose idea of "teaching" was to simply have a kid read from
the textbook. At any moment, Sister Mary Elephant would call out another kid's
name and if the kid didn't pick up on the very next word, he'd get a beating.
We became quite good at following along and daydreaming at the same time.

That's how history class got done. And memorizing names and dates.
Good for playing
"Jeopardy" but otherwise meaningless. It seemed that kings in Europe
would get bored
sitting around their castles and decide to have wars for fun every so
often. Football not
having been developed yet....




They did have some good stuff. There was this thing called "SRA".



I remember that! By 5th grade they'd run out of levels for me. I'd do 3 or 4 in
the time it took most of the rest of the kids to do one. And since you could
look back and check you answers, it was a cinch.

"What was Mr Honey Bunny's wife's name?" I had a bad memory, but being
able to
go back and look made it easy.

There were a few kids whose mother tongue was probably not English, and had
difficulty. I though that they were just brain damaged or something, as
I had no
concept that there were other languages than English until I was about
ten. Never
heard anything other than English in real life or on radio or TV...


--

Another trick was that you never wanted your folks to find out when you got
beaten at school, because they'd give you more of the same at home, and a
lecture about how those blessed nuns had sacrificed their lives to teach you
ungrateful kids, etc. Well, we never asked 'em to.

Didn't have that problem. Actually, my parents might have sued if they
knew, but
I didn't know that at the time.

Some nuns may have been teenage girls afraid of sex....

In article , Robert Casey
writes:

N2EY wrote:

In article , Robert Casey
writes:

One of the male nuns was going to hit my hand with the blackboard
pointer. I was
to hold out my hand, but I pulled it away by instinct to avoid getting
hit. He broke it
on the floor. He just let it go at that, as I think he may have thought
he went a hair
too far with this stuff. Not that he dialed it back much.... No he didn't
make me buy another pointer.

Typical. Parochial school did more to create millions of excatholics....

There may have been this side effect that, after school I split the
joint as fast as I
could.

Me too.

Never saw any molestation (don't know if my particular school
had any of that, but I wasn't at any risk of that).

How could you have not been at risk?

Then there were the yearly school plays. You had two choices: be in it,
or buy a
50 cent ticket to the play. It was a no brainer: I paid the 50 cents
rather than have
to memorize lines and acts and spending more time at the school.

We didn't have those until high school. Some were pretty good, and were done in
cooperation with the girls' high school next door. Good way to meet 'em...

Had several nuns whose idea of "teaching" was to simply have a kid read from
the textbook. At any moment, Sister Mary Elephant would call out another
kid's
name and if the kid didn't pick up on the very next word, he'd get a
beating.
We became quite good at following along and daydreaming at the same time.

That's how history class got done. And memorizing names and dates.
Good for playing
"Jeopardy" but otherwise meaningless. It seemed that kings in Europe
would get bored
sitting around their castles and decide to have wars for fun every so
often. Football not
having been developed yet....

*ALL* subjects were done that way by the nuns I had. No real teaching involved.
We learned on our own.

They did have some good stuff. There was this thing called "SRA".

I remember that! By 5th grade they'd run out of levels for me. I'd do 3 or 4
in
the time it took most of the rest of the kids to do one. And since you could
look back and check you answers, it was a cinch.

"What was Mr Honey Bunny's wife's name?" I had a bad memory, but being
able to go back and look made it easy.

Exactly! Even though I had a good memory I wouldn't trust it, I'd just
double-check to be sure.

There were a few kids whose mother tongue was probably not English, and had
difficulty. I though that they were just brain damaged or something, as
I had no
concept that there were other languages than English until I was about
ten. Never
heard anything other than English in real life or on radio or TV...

Didn't you hear Latin at mass? They had all of us learn it from first grade.
Not what the words meant, just to blindly repeat the responses in Latin with no
understanding of what any of it meant.

Another trick was that you never wanted your folks to find out when you got
beaten at school, because they'd give you more of the same at home, and a
lecture about how those blessed nuns had sacrificed their lives to teach you
ungrateful kids, etc. Well, we never asked 'em to.

Didn't have that problem. Actually, my parents might have sued if they
knew, but I didn't know that at the time.

Nobody I knew would have dreamed of suing.

Some nuns may have been teenage girls afraid of sex....

None of the ones I saw were anywhere near teenagers!

73 de Jim, N2EY

In article , (N2EY)
writes:

Another trick was that you never wanted your folks to find out when you got
beaten at school, because they'd give you more of the same at home, and a
lecture about how those blessed nuns had sacrificed their lives to teach you
ungrateful kids, etc. Well, we never asked 'em to.

Those were the bad old days.

As far as the American federal government is concerned, it does not
discriminate against the religious beliefs of any radio amateur.

Unless your parochial school taught amateur radio theory or
standards and practices, such is hardly a fitting subject of a
newsgroup concerning amateur radio policy.

Is it now a requirement that ALL U.S. radio amateurs practice
Catholicsm in addition to love, adoration, and respect for morse
code? Especially in early schooling?

[expletive deleted]

[morse code testing deleted]

[more expletives! :-)]

LHA / WMD

Len Over 21 wrote:




As far as the American federal government is concerned, it does not
discriminate against the religious beliefs of any radio amateur.

Unless your parochial school taught amateur radio theory or
standards and practices, such is hardly a fitting subject of a
newsgroup concerning amateur radio policy.

Is it now a requirement that ALL U.S. radio amateurs practice
Catholicism

New award: Worked All Orders of Nuns "WAON".... :-)