In article , Mike Coslo
writes:

Ms Jackson is free to expose
herself under appropriate circumstances. If she wants to do a dance
routine and have Justin Timberlake tear off part of her outfit. That is
also okay - tho she might want to use a less weird presentation.

There are appropriate television venues for that, such as HBO, Cinemax,

etc. Late night TV kind of stuff.

But not on the super bowl halftime show. Not on Teletubbies or Barney
or Blues Clues or fishing shows. Those just aren't the places for that
sort of thing. Even my favorite, the History channel, has some shows
that deal with sex and show nudity.

I gotta get cable...

They put them on late at night when
the kids are in bed, and any viewing is strictly voluntary. No one harmed.

I agree 100%, Mike, but I'd put it this way:

The big problem isn't the content but whether it's expected or not when the
viewer tunes in. Shows like "Sex in the City" and "Coupling" pretty much
tell you what to expect by the name of the show. Other shows have warnings,
ratings and writeups in the program guides.

The problem with the "wardrobe malfunction" was that nobody expected it except
Ms. Jackson. Yet she will not incur any fine or penalty. That's just wrong.

Everything in it's time and place, and the superbowl isn't the time or
place IMO.

Agreed - particularly without any warning.

Some may say this whole thing ahs nothing to do with amateur radio policy, but
the exact opposite is true. The big problem with that "wardrobe malfunction"
was its unexpected nature. Since amateur radio is unscheduled, crosses time
zones and no licensee owns a frequency, the standards of all amateur on-air
activity have to be "G-rated".

The NFL has been trying to pander to a different audience the last few
years. I remember when a sb halftime show was put on by "Up With
People", of all things.

Well, it's just a different sort of "up"...

I hope they realize that the "edgy" stuff was a miserable failure for
the XFL.

Who? ;-)

73 de Jim, N2EY

N2EY wrote:
In article , Mike Coslo
writes:


Ms Jackson is free to expose
herself under appropriate circumstances. If she wants to do a dance
routine and have Justin Timberlake tear off part of her outfit. That is
also okay - tho she might want to use a less weird presentation.

There are appropriate television venues for that, such as HBO, Cinemax,


etc. Late night TV kind of stuff.

But not on the super bowl halftime show. Not on Teletubbies or Barney
or Blues Clues or fishing shows. Those just aren't the places for that
sort of thing. Even my favorite, the History channel, has some shows
that deal with sex and show nudity.


I gotta get cable...

Even then, it isn't smarmy stuff. It's mostly educational, with an
erotic undertone. It's the sort of thing that even if a youngster were
to watch it, they wouldn't be affected negatively

They put them on late at night when
the kids are in bed, and any viewing is strictly voluntary. No one harmed.


I agree 100%, Mike, but I'd put it this way:

The big problem isn't the content but whether it's expected or not when the
viewer tunes in. Shows like "Sex in the City" and "Coupling" pretty much
tell you what to expect by the name of the show. Other shows have warnings,
ratings and writeups in the program guides.

Good point.

The problem with the "wardrobe malfunction" was that nobody expected it except
Ms. Jackson. Yet she will not incur any fine or penalty. That's just wrong.

I'll bet she doesn't get on Prime-time TV without a tape delay, tho'!

Everything in it's time and place, and the superbowl isn't the time or
place IMO.


Agreed - particularly without any warning.

Some may say this whole thing ahs nothing to do with amateur radio policy, but
the exact opposite is true. The big problem with that "wardrobe malfunction"
was its unexpected nature. Since amateur radio is unscheduled, crosses time
zones and no licensee owns a frequency, the standards of all amateur on-air
activity have to be "G-rated".

Agreed! Why some people have a problem understanding that is beyond me.
Everything in moderation and in it's time and place. If Janet wants to
go around with parts hanging out of her clothes, she is welcome to.
(IMO) As long as as it is in the proper place. Otherwise, keep it clean.

- Mike KB3EIA -

I'll bet she doesn't get on Prime-time TV without a tape delay, tho'!

If I ran CBS or ABC or NBC or WB or UPN for that matter, I'd pass
every live rock singer thru a tape delay. Or any other likely loose
cannon.

And I bet CBS has ordered a delay to pass future live performances thru.
That should make the FCC a little happier. So a director in the control
booth can dump something inappropriate before it goes over the air.

Robert Casey wrote:






I'll bet she doesn't get on Prime-time TV without a tape delay, tho'!

If I ran CBS or ABC or NBC or WB or UPN for that matter, I'd pass
every live rock singer thru a tape delay. Or any other likely loose
cannon.
And I bet CBS has ordered a delay to pass future live performances thru.
That should make the FCC a little happier. So a director in the control
booth can dump something inappropriate before it goes over the air.

I would sugest that they keep a tape of "Heidi" running to interject
over any offending portion that needs bleeped out.

- Mike KB3EIA -

In article , Mike Coslo
writes:

Robert Casey wrote:

I'll bet she doesn't get on Prime-time TV without a tape delay, tho'!

If I ran CBS or ABC or NBC or WB or UPN for that matter, I'd pass
every live rock singer thru a tape delay. Or any other likely loose
cannon.
And I bet CBS has ordered a delay to pass future live performances thru.
That should make the FCC a little happier. So a director in the control
booth can dump something inappropriate before it goes over the air.

I would sugest that they keep a tape of "Heidi" running to interject
over any offending portion that needs bleeped out.

As long as it's Heidi Klum

73 de Jim, N2EY

In article , Mike Coslo
writes:

N2EY wrote:
In article , Mike Coslo
writes:


Ms Jackson is free to expose
herself under appropriate circumstances. If she wants to do a dance
routine and have Justin Timberlake tear off part of her outfit. That is
also okay - tho she might want to use a less weird presentation.

There are appropriate television venues for that, such as HBO, Cinemax,

etc. Late night TV kind of stuff.

But not on the super bowl halftime show. Not on Teletubbies or Barney
or Blues Clues or fishing shows. Those just aren't the places for that
sort of thing. Even my favorite, the History channel, has some shows
that deal with sex and show nudity.

I gotta get cable...

Even then, it isn't smarmy stuff.

Dang.

It's mostly educational, with an
erotic undertone. It's the sort of thing that even if a youngster were
to watch it, they wouldn't be affected negatively

Doesn't matter. The point is whether or not the audience knows what to expect.

Last night, the local PBS station showed "Catch-22". More than a little nudity,
sex and violence. But they showed it at 10 PM, with content warnings. Anybody
who might be offended knew *ahead of time* to avoid it. No such warning or
rating on the superbowl.

That's the point that the Toronto Star article completely misses.

They put them on late at night when
the kids are in bed, and any viewing is strictly voluntary. No one harmed.

I agree 100%, Mike, but I'd put it this way:

The big problem isn't the content but whether it's expected or not when the
viewer tunes in. Shows like "Sex in the City" and "Coupling" pretty much
tell you what to expect by the name of the show. Other shows have warnings,
ratings and writeups in the program guides.

Good point.

The problem with the "wardrobe malfunction" was that nobody expected it
except
Ms. Jackson. Yet she will not incur any fine or penalty. That's just wrong.

I'll bet she doesn't get on Prime-time TV without a tape delay, tho'!

So what? She got what she wanted - publicity. A week before the superbowl, who
was even talking about her?

Everything in it's time and place, and the superbowl isn't the time or
place IMO.

Agreed - particularly without any warning.

Some may say this whole thing ahs nothing to do with amateur radio policy,
but
the exact opposite is true. The big problem with that "wardrobe
malfunction"
was its unexpected nature. Since amateur radio is unscheduled, crosses
time
zones and no licensee owns a frequency, the standards of all amateur on-air
activity have to be "G-rated".

Agreed! Why some people have a problem understanding that is beyond me.

Me too.

Everything in moderation

Anything worth doing is worth overdoing

and in it's time and place. If Janet wants to
go around with parts hanging out of her clothes, she is welcome to.
(IMO) As long as as it is in the proper place. Otherwise, keep it clean.

Agreed!

73 de Jim, N2EY

On 09 Feb 2004 01:21:52 GMT, (N2EY) wrote:

snip

Last night, the local PBS station showed "Catch-22". More than a little nudity,
sex and violence. But they showed it at 10 PM, with content warnings. Anybody
who might be offended knew *ahead of time* to avoid it. No such warning or
rating on the superbowl.

That's the point that the Toronto Star article completely misses.

Jim, my friend, if you had cared to read past the title you may have
noted the other far more important points that the article was
actually making.....

However, if you feel so passionately about this subject and believe
that the material presented was erroneous, please feel free to write
to the Editor at the following address:



I'm certain that they would publish your perspective on this issue in
the "Letters to the Editor" column.

Or, you could just continue to complain here, in this little
group.......and continue to prove Benford's Law.

Your choice.

73, Leo

In article , Leo
writes:

On 09 Feb 2004 01:21:52 GMT, (N2EY) wrote:

snip

Last night, the local PBS station showed "Catch-22". More than a little
nudity,
sex and violence. But they showed it at 10 PM, with content warnings.
Anybody
who might be offended knew *ahead of time* to avoid it. No such warning or
rating on the superbowl.

That's the point that the Toronto Star article completely misses.

Jim, my friend, if you had cared to read past the title you may have
noted the other far more important points that the article was
actually making.....

I read the whole article. The author missed the most important point of the
whole wardrobe malfunction. Muddle-headed thinking on his part. Just my
opinion.



73 de Jim, N2EY

In article , (N2EY)
writes:

and in it's time and place. If Janet wants to
go around with parts hanging out of her clothes, she is welcome to.
(IMO) As long as as it is in the proper place. Otherwise, keep it clean.

Agreed!

You two ought to write, wire, data transmit to the VEC QPC all of
your charges of immorality and tell the QPC to make them part
and parcel of every written test element!

This is a vital and important part of amateur radio policy!!!

Glad you brought it up.

I will be looking forward to seeing what the QPC comes up with in
that important amateur radio knowledge-morality area on multiple-
choice answers on the U.S. written tests.

Morality must be STRICT and punishment as severe in U.S. amateur
radio!

"No kids, lids, space cadets, or nudity while beeping CW."

LHA / WMD