In article ,
(William) writes:

Remind me Jim, what do FISTS propose? Given that they are an organisation
for the promotion of CW, I have trouble beleiving that they would suggest
anything that is actually responsive to the removal of the international CW
test requirement, but I could be wrong(?).

Alun

Alun, please remember that FISTS is an organization that promotes the
fun of morse code use. It was not meant to be a political
organization.

FISTS, a mighty force (with a woman at the helm) is bound and
determined to have EVERYONE enjoying what they enjoy...
despite the high noise floor of independent thought.

They make [expletive deleted] sure that will be ENFORCED by
keeping the morse code test in amateurism forever and ever.

FISTS represents the "amateur community."

Ergo, all amateurs must demonstrate their dedication and resolve
by satisfying FISTS.

The amateur LAW can never be changed to remove a morse test.
Unthinkable in 1930s thinking. Heretical.

[expletive deleted] :-)

LHA / WMD

(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
In article ,
(William) writes:

Alun, please remember that FISTS is an organization that promotes the
fun of morse code use. It was not meant to be a political
organization.

FISTS, a mighty force (with a woman at the helm) is bound and
determined to have EVERYONE enjoying what they enjoy...
despite the high noise floor of independent thought.

Obvioulsy (an as usual, I might add) you haven't read any of
thier position papers or read any of thier submissions to FCC NPRM's
lately.

They make [expletive deleted] sure that will be ENFORCED by
keeping the morse code test in amateurism forever and ever.

As I said...

FISTS represents the "amateur community."

FISTS represents thier membership, all of whom (to the bst of my
knowledge) are or have been licensed Amateurs.

Ergo, all amateurs must demonstrate their dedication and resolve
by satisfying FISTS.

There ya go again.

The amateur LAW can never be changed to remove a morse test.
Unthinkable in 1930s thinking. Heretical.

For a 1930's kinda guy (like you) I am sure yuo see it that way.

[expletive deleted] :-)

YOU would find the use of profanity in public "funny".

I think it's sad you can't express yuorself effectively without
it or alluding to it. Shame on you.

Steve, K4YZ

"Len Over 21" wrote in message
...
In article ,
(William) writes:

Remind me Jim, what do FISTS propose? Given that they are an
organisation
for the promotion of CW, I have trouble beleiving that they would
suggest
anything that is actually responsive to the removal of the
international CW
test requirement, but I could be wrong(?).

Alun

Alun, please remember that FISTS is an organization that promotes the
fun of morse code use. It was not meant to be a political
organization.

FISTS, a mighty force (with a woman at the helm) is bound and
determined to have EVERYONE enjoying what they enjoy...
despite the high noise floor of independent thought.

Tsk, tsk. Misogyny at work. It would seem that you are as 1920s are the
people you are complaining about.

Mark

In article , "Mark Little"
writes:

"Len Over 21" wrote in message
...
In article ,
(William) writes:

Remind me Jim, what do FISTS propose? Given that they are an
organisation
for the promotion of CW, I have trouble beleiving that they would
suggest
anything that is actually responsive to the removal of the
international CW
test requirement, but I could be wrong(?).

Alun

Alun, please remember that FISTS is an organization that promotes the
fun of morse code use. It was not meant to be a political
organization.

FISTS, a mighty force (with a woman at the helm) is bound and
determined to have EVERYONE enjoying what they enjoy...
despite the high noise floor of independent thought.

Tsk, tsk. Misogyny at work. It would seem that you are as 1920s are the
people you are complaining about.

Tsk, tsk, Mark, you fail to note _sarcasm_ in the posting. :-)

Note some of the OTHER players in this zoo...emphasis on
machismo ("be a real man and learn code"...etc.).

Note the long-time name FISTS as an organization of code lovers
with its close emotional attachment to machismo, strength, power
and so forth embodied by "fists."

Thumbing through any collection of U.S. amateur radio magazines
that have photographs of amateurs will reveal that U.S. amateurs
are overwhelmingly male and white. For at least a half century.

"Machismo" is a modified latino name for extreme maleness in
the traditional male role of strength, power, fighting ability, and
(to some) leadership of the tribe. :-)

I should apologize for the use of a latino label since, to us in the
U.S. sunbelt (all states along the southern border), Spanish words
and phrases are somewhat common in our version of English. I
don't believe that is true in Australia or New Zealand or even the
UK where modified English is also spoken. :-)

The "tribe" aspect shouldn't be overlooked since there is some
extreme polarization on the issue and the fight-to-the-death
attitude of olde-tymers demanding strict and utter adherence to
to the glorious and noble ways of Their youth. Everyone MUST
do as They did or not be considered as "real" as They are. :-)

Note the comment of Brian Burke in this thread. He notes that it
seems perfectly permissible for any FISTS member to denounce
NCI at any time, yet the converse is not possible. :-) Hypocrisy
in clear evidence, the one-sided fight-to-the-death attitude in full
fury by the code lovers.

I find it curiously odd that the mighty male morseman legions of
FISTS be headed by Nancy Kott, clearly a female in photographs.

Of course, again from my geographical vantage point in the middle
of the movie mecca, Los Angeles, here there be experts in make-
up. Who knows what ever lurks behind the "front panel?" :-)

Best regards from Len (Love Easy Nancy).

LHA / WMD

(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
In article , "Mark Little"
writes:

Tsk, tsk. Misogyny at work. It would seem that you are as 1920s are the
people you are complaining about.

Tsk, tsk, Mark, you fail to note _sarcasm_ in the posting.

With you, who can tell? You never keep your own stories
straight, Lennie...How do you expect others to do it...?!?!

Note some of the OTHER players in this zoo...emphasis on
machismo ("be a real man and learn code"...etc.).

At elast SOME of us have SOME chance of BEING "machismo",
Lennie...Unlike yourself.

Note the long-time name FISTS as an organization of code lovers
with its close emotional attachment to machismo, strength, power
and so forth embodied by "fists."

Or "fists", and in the colloquial term for a skilled hand on a
key, Lennie....?!?!

Naaaaawh. THAT would make SENSE!

Thumbing through any collection of U.S. amateur radio magazines
that have photographs of amateurs will reveal that U.S. amateurs
are overwhelmingly male and white. For at least a half century.

Here we go again...Lennie, what's up with you and sexism and
racism? Can't find any VALID arguments so you play the "race" card?

"Machismo" is a modified latino name for extreme maleness in
the traditional male role of strength, power, fighting ability, and
(to some) leadership of the tribe.

And so far YOU are the ONLY one making an issue of it, Lennie.

Me thinks you are trying to overcompensate for some other
"deficiency" in your personal life.

I should apologize for the use of a latino label since, to us in the
U.S. sunbelt (all states along the southern border), Spanish words
and phrases are somewhat common in our version of English. I
don't believe that is true in Australia or New Zealand or even the
UK where modified English is also spoken.

What you SHOULD apologize for, Lennie, is your habitual lying,
antagonism, and cruel and selfish behaviour...

The "tribe" aspect shouldn't be overlooked since there is some
extreme polarization on the issue and the fight-to-the-death
attitude of olde-tymers demanding strict and utter adherence to
to the glorious and noble ways of Their youth. Everyone MUST
do as They did or not be considered as "real" as They are.

The "must do as we did" thing has been disproven over and over,
yet you continue to try and envoke it, Lennie.

Why? Do you ENJOY being made a fool of?

Note the comment of Brian Burke in this thread. He notes that it
seems perfectly permissible for any FISTS member to denounce
NCI at any time, yet the converse is not possible. Hypocrisy
in clear evidence, the one-sided fight-to-the-death attitude in full
fury by the code lovers.

Another misdirected twisting of the truth...but hey...What's one
more amongst the hundreds of others, eh...?!?!

I find it curiously odd that the mighty male morseman legions of
FISTS be headed by Nancy Kott, clearly a female in photographs.

Clearly a female in person, too. And you'd get a chance to KNOW
that if you were a licensed, ACTIVE Amateur Radio operator,
Lennie...Ms Kott makes it to several of teh alrger events every year.

Of course, again from my geographical vantage point in the middle
of the movie mecca, Los Angeles, here there be experts in make-
up. Who knows what ever lurks behind the "front panel?"

Or who know's what evil lurks on Lanark...?!?!

WE DO... ! ! ! !

Steve, K4YZ

Len Over 21 wrote:

FISTS, a mighty force (with a woman at the helm) is bound and
determined to have EVERYONE enjoying what they enjoy...
despite the high noise floor of independent thought.

Do you have a problem with women as leaders of organizations? When did
FISTS refer to itself as a mighty force?

They make [expletive deleted] sure that will be ENFORCED by
keeping the morse code test in amateurism forever and ever.

"It" will be enforced? What is "it"?

FISTS represents the "amateur community."

FISTS represents a portion of the amateur radio community. You, on the
other hand, play no part in the amateur radio community.

Ergo, all amateurs must demonstrate their dedication and resolve
by satisfying FISTS.

How funny is that? You'd have us believe that your views on how amateur
radio should be adopted and you have nothing to do with amateur radio.

[LHA/WMD deleted]

Dave K8MN