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JJ wrote in message ...
William wrote: You lie. You were w/o ham capability prior to becoming licensed. It would be obvious to anyone with more than three working brain cells that the statement applies to the period in which I hold a valid ham radio operator's license. JJ...common sense and a bit of adult maturity would have precluded any reasonable person in this forum from using such a lame and childish "answer"... More evidence that this coward has nothing valid to offer except childish sandlot accusations. Did we expect anything less? Steve, K4YZ |
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Not if you needed to call Dee, it didn't! 8^) - Mike KB3EIA - Ryan, KC8PMX wrote: Not here.... mine worked great! Ryan KC8PMX In the power outage of August 2003, I personally experienced the erratic availability of cell phones. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
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William wrote:
I think I've got your statements figured out. Cell phones or cell phone systems may break down and leave you w/o communications. Amateur radio may break down and leave you without communications. It is possible, but what are the odds that both will be down at the same times, especially since I have backup for ham radio. It is much more likely that the cell phone or cell phone system will leave me without cell phone communications than my ham radio will leave me without the ability to communicate via ham radio. |
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NexTel, &diety's gift to first responders with their PTT feature, lacks more than a few hours
of battery backup at their tower sites and that is only if the batteries have been maintained. After that it's "The Number You Dialed Is not Working" Steve N2UBP |
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Steve Stone wrote:
NexTel, &diety's gift to first responders with their PTT feature, lacks more than a few hours of battery backup at their tower sites and that is only if the batteries have been maintained. After that it's "The Number You Dialed Is not Working" Steve N2UBP I just came from a seminar with USN Rear Admiral Daniel Stone, Director of Logistics and Engineering for NORAD/USNORTHCOM, he reports directly to General Eberhart, commander of NORAD. One of the issues discussed was emergency communications in times of disasters like 9/11. I ask him about the use of cell phones during such times, he just laughed and said that the cell phone network was useless for any emergency comms in such a scenario. Witless willie's cell phone network is not even a consideration in their emergency planning. He also works with The Office of Homeland Defense on emergengy communications issues and he confirmed that the OHD is attempting to intergrate Amateur Radio in their plans for emergency comms. |
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"Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... Not if you needed to call Dee, it didn't! 8^) - Mike KB3EIA - Good one Mike and absolutely correct. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE Ryan, KC8PMX wrote: Not here.... mine worked great! Ryan KC8PMX In the power outage of August 2003, I personally experienced the erratic availability of cell phones. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
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JJ wrote in message ...
I just came from a seminar with USN Rear Admiral Daniel Stone, Director of Logistics and Engineering for NORAD/USNORTHCOM, he reports directly to General Eberhart, commander of NORAD. One of the issues discussed was emergency communications in times of disasters like 9/11. Absolutely should be discussed. I ask him about the use of cell phones during such times, he just laughed and said that the cell phone network was useless for any emergency comms in such a scenario. For military use, absolutely. I wouldn't expect a senior military official to respond differently. Witless willie's cell phone network is not even a consideration in their emergency planning. Shouldn't be. It's not secure. He also works with The Office of Homeland Defense on emergengy communications issues and he confirmed that the OHD is attempting to intergrate Amateur Radio in their plans for emergency comms. As they should; the military has backups to backups. Redundancy equals Survivability. Now lets talk about Average Citizen (AC). AC has actually used cellular telephones IN the 9/11 emergency. Many ACs had successful communications. AC has greater access to the cellular telephone system than they have to amateur radio. For many ACs, cellular is their emergency comms. Do you doubt it? |
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JJ wrote in message ...
And witless William also wrote: I'm just so happy that you finally acknowledged that mere cell phones play a major role in disaster communications. Or did you? Sure they have and can, but when the cell network is down, ham radio will be there if needed. This weekend will see "Heartland Response 2004" conducted in Western Tennessee and parts of Mississippi, Arkansas, Kentucky and Missouri. It will simulate (among other things) and earthquake along the New Madrid fault. One of the scenarios to be practiced for will be the loss of commercial telephone service, both conventional hardline and wireless service. Of the several senarios that WON'T be playing will be one wherein cellphones are deployed to provide "emergency comms" because of a loss of RADIO communication, regardless of whose radio service it is. Among other features to be deployed will be HIGHBIRD missions flown by Civil Air Patrol to provide orbiting radio relay capabilites in addition to datalink service. Yours truly will be at the EOC in Nashville. As of this hour I do not find the names of "Brian Burke" or "Leonard Anderson" among those consultants being brought in by FEMA, The Army Corps of Engineers, TEMA, or other supporting agencies. ARES and RACES will be represented, however. Go figure, huh...?!?!? Steve, K4YZ PS: If any of you are "Utility DXers" and log "TENNESSEECAP TEMA" or "TENNESSEECAP 250" on Saturday the 20th or Sunday the 21st, QSL via K4YZ and I'll be glad to return a card for you. 73 Steve, K4YZ |
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William wrote:
For military use, absolutely. I wouldn't expect a senior military official to respond differently. No, not just for military use, they are coordinating between military, police, fire, Civil Defense, and other civil agencies, and cell phones play no part. Now lets talk about Average Citizen (AC). AC has actually used cellular telephones IN the 9/11 emergency. Many ACs had successful communications. AC has greater access to the cellular telephone system than they have to amateur radio. For many ACs, cellular is their emergency comms. Do you doubt it? It dosen't even work well for the AC when the networks become so overloaded you can't get a call through. The AC is not participating in official emergency communicatins, they are making calls to say, "Im OK", or "turn on your TV", and other such non official emergency calls. When something like 9/11 happens everyone with a cell phone wants to call twenty other people making the system usless for any official emergency communicatioins. The cell phone network is not a consideration amoung government and civil agencies for emergency communications, ham radio is. |
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Steve Robeson, K4CAP wrote:
JJ wrote in message ... And witless William also wrote: I'm just so happy that you finally acknowledged that mere cell phones play a major role in disaster communications. Or did you? Sure they have and can, but when the cell network is down, ham radio will be there if needed. This weekend will see "Heartland Response 2004" conducted in Western Tennessee and parts of Mississippi, Arkansas, Kentucky and Missouri. It will simulate (among other things) and earthquake along the New Madrid fault. One of the scenarios to be practiced for will be the loss of commercial telephone service, both conventional hardline and wireless service. Oh oh! how on earth will their be any emergency services, not to mention calling out for Pizza? ;^) Of the several senarios that WON'T be playing will be one wherein cellphones are deployed to provide "emergency comms" because of a loss of RADIO communication, regardless of whose radio service it is. Among other features to be deployed will be HIGHBIRD missions flown by Civil Air Patrol to provide orbiting radio relay capabilites in addition to datalink service. Yours truly will be at the EOC in Nashville. As of this hour I do not find the names of "Brian Burke" or "Leonard Anderson" among those consultants being brought in by FEMA, The Army Corps of Engineers, TEMA, or other supporting agencies. I heard they were planning on checking in with their cellphones as part of the CYHMNEPT (Can You Hear Me Now Emergency Preparedness Team) 8^) - Mike KB3EIA - |
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