Len Over 21 wrote:



No, but it is one of MANY in which radio amateurs have NOT
helped in the glorious, noble, and heroic services claimed by the
mythmakers and amateur propagandists.

While you desperately desire to keep the Myth of telephone service
collapsing entirely alive, that isn't true either. While IN an affected
area, the limitations of switching centers don't allow free calling all
around. However, one can call in from OUTSIDE the area. Obviously
the infrastructure was NOT helpless or "down."

For a period of several hours, there was no phone service going IN or
OUT of the area.

Blah, blah, blah, more lennie blabber deleted:

It really chaps your butt that hams have for decades been able to
provide all kinds of ememgency communications when other means fail,
much to the satisfaction to emergency officials who still rely on hams
in emergencies, doesn't it lennie? And you can't be a part of it because
you have no license and can't pass the test to get one. The Office of
Homeland Security thinks enough of hams being able to handle emergency
communications that they are including ham radio in their emergency plans.

Now go back to the rec room of your rest home and see what the other
residents are doing, maybe you can get into a game of strip checkers or
something to take you mind off of your inability to get a ham license.

In article , JJ
writes:

Len Over 21 wrote:

No, but it is one of MANY in which radio amateurs have NOT
helped in the glorious, noble, and heroic services claimed by the
mythmakers and amateur propagandists.

While you desperately desire to keep the Myth of telephone service
collapsing entirely alive, that isn't true either. While IN an affected
area, the limitations of switching centers don't allow free calling all
around. However, one can call in from OUTSIDE the area. Obviously
the infrastructure was NOT helpless or "down."

For a period of several hours, there was no phone service going IN or
OUT of the area.

Your sentence is incorrect.

Anonymous one who has no amateur call, you cannot admit your
error. To do so would be against your mythology, the fantasy that
amateur radio always jumps in to save the day.

Blah, blah, blah, more lennie blabber deleted:

It really chaps your butt that hams have for decades been able to
provide all kinds of ememgency communications when other means fail,
much to the satisfaction to emergency officials who still rely on hams
in emergencies, doesn't it lennie?

Not at all. That hasn't been proven to the general statement you
make.

You desperately WANT your statement to be true but it isn't.
Therefore you act tuff and try to bluff others.

First of all, you don't give any amateur radio license callsign,
therefore all must assume you are BOGUS. A fake. Charlatan.
Poseur. A nobody trying to be a somebody. No body at all.

And you can't be a part of it because
you have no license and can't pass the test to get one.

Irrelevant to "Ham Radio Is A Hobby Not A Service."

I have a commercial license. Had it since 1956. An amateur radio
license - which you DO NOT VERIFY AS YOUR OWN - takes less
knowledge to pass than the old First Class Radiotelephone
(Commercial). You seem to forget that the Question Pool is open
to inspection to the public.

The Office of
Homeland Security thinks enough of hams being able to handle emergency
communications that they are including ham radio in their emergency plans.

Oh, my! OFFICIAL recognition? :-)

Has Part 97, Title 47 C.F.R. been changed since that agency was
created AFTER 11 September? :-)

Is U.S. amateur radio primarily an emergency communications service
under Homeland Security? No? Why not? All you noblemen seem
to think you all deserve medals for having fun in a HOBBY.

Now go back to the rec room of your rest home and see what the other
residents are doing, maybe you can get into a game of strip checkers or
something to take you mind off of your inability to get a ham license.

"JJ," quit trying to tawk tuff. Your fake testosterone is showing.

You keep HIDING your identity. Afraid to show who you really are?

You don't really have any sort of license, do you? Yet you PRETEND
to have one with all the tuff tawk and nastygrams in messages.

Pretense and pseudo patriotism is all you have shown so far.

You are ANONYMOUS. A NOBODY. A ZERO. An Unidentified
Spitting Object (USO) entertaining only yourself in "the service."

Get on the mailing list for "Ham Radio For Dummies" to be
published soon. Study it. Learn from it. You could be somebody
instead of the nobody you are in here.

LHA / WMD

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , JJ
writes:


Len Over 21 wrote:


No, but it is one of MANY in which radio amateurs have NOT
helped in the glorious, noble, and heroic services claimed by the
mythmakers and amateur propagandists.

While you desperately desire to keep the Myth of telephone service
collapsing entirely alive, that isn't true either. While IN an affected
area, the limitations of switching centers don't allow free calling all
around. However, one can call in from OUTSIDE the area. Obviously
the infrastructure was NOT helpless or "down."

For a period of several hours, there was no phone service going IN or
OUT of the area.


Your sentence is incorrect.

Anonymous one who has no amateur call, you cannot admit your
error. To do so would be against your mythology, the fantasy that
amateur radio always jumps in to save the day.

Not always, but always when needed and has saved the day many times.
That you can't be a part of it to get your recognition really gets your
goat doesn't it?



Blah, blah, blah, more lennie blabber deleted:

It really chaps your butt that hams have for decades been able to
provide all kinds of ememgency communications when other means fail,
much to the satisfaction to emergency officials who still rely on hams
in emergencies, doesn't it lennie?


Not at all. That hasn't been proven to the general statement you
make.

You desperately WANT your statement to be true but it isn't.
Therefore you act tuff and try to bluff others.

You so desperately WANT to convince others that ham radio serves no
purpose other than a hobby, therefor you act tough and try to bluff others.


First of all, you don't give any amateur radio license callsign,
therefore all must assume you are BOGUS. A fake. Charlatan.
Poseur. A nobody trying to be a somebody. No body at all.

Don't worry lennyboy, I do have an Advanced class, lack of display of my
callsign is of no revelance to "Ham Radio Is A Hobby Not A Service".
You don't hold a ham license therefore you are irrelevant to any
discusson on ham radio. How do I know you are really who you say you
are? I think you are a fake, just someone with a bogus id, not who you
say you are at all.



And you can't be a part of it because
you have no license and can't pass the test to get one.


Irrelevant to "Ham Radio Is A Hobby Not A Service."

I have a commercial license. Had it since 1956. An amateur radio
license - which you DO NOT VERIFY AS YOUR OWN - takes less
knowledge to pass than the old First Class Radiotelephone
(Commercial). You seem to forget that the Question Pool is open
to inspection to the public.

A commercial license that isn't worth the paper it is printed on now. I
held a Second Class, got it in 1961, since expired, so what does that
prove? I also hold an amateur radio operators license...you don't.


The Office of
Homeland Security thinks enough of hams being able to handle emergency
communications that they are including ham radio in their emergency plans.


Oh, my! OFFICIAL recognition? :-)

Has Part 97, Title 47 C.F.R. been changed since that agency was
created AFTER 11 September? :-)

Is U.S. amateur radio primarily an emergency communications service
under Homeland Security?

If other means are not available it will be.

No? Why not? All you noblemen seem
to think you all deserve medals for having fun in a HOBBY.

Yea, ham radio operators have received lots recognition for their
service in emergency communication, from local officials all the way to
the Whitehouse. I don't ever remember seeing anyone standing in line for
a medal. Grinds your hemroids dosen't it? You can't be a part of it
because you can't or too lazy to pass the test, so you devote your time
to attempting to tear down amateur radio. Stop wasting you time, it
doesn't fly. You really have a hard on for those of us who took the
time, have the ability to learn, and obtain a license don't you?



You are ANONYMOUS. A NOBODY. A ZERO. An Unidentified
Spitting Object (USO) entertaining only yourself in "the service."

And as a non-ham on this group, you are a NOBODY, NADA, NOTHING, ZERO,
ZIP, ZILCH.

Get on the mailing list for "Ham Radio For Dummies" to be
published soon.

I spoke to the author of that book and told me he wrote it just for you,
but I told him he wasted his time, he wouldn't be able to make it simple
enough for you to understand. Now help up that little old lady you
pushed over to rush back to the computer to post your drivel and go back
to your room for you meds, the nurse is waiting for you, old man.

Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 3/23/2004 9:47 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article ,
(Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

I have shown you to be that which you loathe.

Self-hatred is an unhealthy thing. Think about counseling.

It's "counselling", Brain, and what I loathe are people like you and
Lennie.

Then wave your arms around, invoke the magic incantation, and
the world will be remade entirely to your desires.

Your imaginary world will be even better than you dreamed!

I again ask you as to which "imaginary" world you refer...?!?!

The one in which I am a licensed Amateur Radio operator? (oooopps! FCC
says I AM a licensed Amateur operator)

Or the one in which I am a licensed aviator? (oooop again! The FAA says
I got one of them, too!)

Perhaps you meant the imaginary world where I am a licensed nurse? (DRAT!
Got one active and two inactive licenses which says THAT'S true too!) I also
have the documents attesting to my participation in EMS (including past
licenses from California) and current endorsements in Advanced Cardiac Life
Support and Pediatric Advanced Life Support.

Anything else...?!?!

Meanwhile, back in REALITY, you will find that Webster's New
World Compact School and Office Dictionary allows the spelling
of the verb transitive form of "counsel" to be either 'counselling'
or 'counseling.' One or two Ls.

Either way, try to get some...mental health counsel.

Either way YOU care to spell it, Lennie, I am not the one in this forum
that is in need of it. That would be reserved for the guy who has no vested
interest in the Amateur Radio Service (or claims he doesn't, anyway) yet
persists in antagonizing those who do.

You and the rest of us will be aided by such.

Go waste someone else's time if you don't.

Remind me of your Amateur licensure again, Lennie?

WHOSE time is being wasted here?

Steve, K4YZ

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ...
Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 3/23/2004 9:47 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:


Then wave your arms around, invoke the magic incantation, and
the world will be remade entirely to your desires.

Your imaginary world will be even better than you dreamed!

I again ask you as to which "imaginary" world you refer...?!?!

How many imaginary worlds do you have?

Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From: (William)
Date: 3/25/2004 6:00 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...
Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 3/23/2004 9:47 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:


Then wave your arms around, invoke the magic incantation, and
the world will be remade entirely to your desires.

Your imaginary world will be even better than you dreamed!

I again ask you as to which "imaginary" world you refer...?!?!

How many imaginary worlds do you have?

Only the one where-in Brittany Spears shows up at my front door with
round-trip tickets to Tahiti begging me to go with her.

OIther than that, I've pretty well got you and Lennie by the cajones...As
hard as it is to hold on to something that small.

Steve, K4YZ

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ...
Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From: (William)
Date: 3/25/2004 6:00 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...
Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 3/23/2004 9:47 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:


Then wave your arms around, invoke the magic incantation, and
the world will be remade entirely to your desires.

Your imaginary world will be even better than you dreamed!

I again ask you as to which "imaginary" world you refer...?!?!

How many imaginary worlds do you have?

Only the one where-in Brittany Spears shows up at my front door with
round-trip tickets to Tahiti begging me to go with her.

Huh? She'll just waste your time.

Try this instead:

Snipped from ARRL site
----------------------------------------------------------
"Visitors to French Polynesia must send in or bring in:

Copy of current Amateur License
Current passport
List of equipment brought with serial numbers
Copy of itinerary showing location from which they will be operating
Thanks to Bob, N1RA for this update:
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 11:50:15 -0400
Subject: Fo0, French Polynesia

French Polynesia, FO0, Address: Cellule P & T du Haut Commissariat de
la Republique
(HCR-CPT)
BP 115
98713 - Papeete, Tahiti, French Polynesia

Telephone: 011 689 46 8630
Fax: 011 689 46 86 33
E-Mail : [after July 1, 2003]

IMPORTANT: You must have an interpreter or speak French. They do not
speak or read English. Correspondence must be in French also.

Personal notes from David Rosenthal, N6TST, February 2002:

Proceed to the High Commissioners Office in Papeete and ask for Mr.
Sylvain Affinito (he was there in February 2002) in the office of the
Celle PTT. He will examine your paperwork and have you fill out a form
applying for your temporary permit. They should issue you an FO0
license either on the spot or by the next business day since the
documents have to be stamped and signed by an approving official. This
license will be good for 90 days, which is the maximum time a visitor
may stay in French Polynesia. There is no charge for the license.

Note that CEPT Class 2 licenses, are NOT authorized in French
Polynesia, i.e., there is no equivalent to a "codeless Tech" license
there.

For Maritime mobiles sailing into French waters you must have a valid
license to operate within the territory. Upon making your first port
of call, simply call the PTT office with the above information plus
the usual boat info. Your license can be preprocessed and if you call
back the next day he will give you your call letters and you can pick
up your license when you reach Tahiti.

Phone number for this PTT is 46-86-32, the fax is 46-86-33

Phone cards are now needed to access pay telephones and these cards
are available at most stores. They cost XPF 1,000 (about US$8) but you
can also use a major credit card in the phone.

The correct Celle PTT office is HARD to find in Papeete (there are
several) and few people know anything about amateur radio. Streets in
French Polynesia are poorly marked and address numbers virtually
unknown. Basic maps, however, are available free from tourist brochure
displays located in most stores. I've also included my own map showing
the exact location of the Celle PTT office.

Follow Avenue Bruat inland to where it ends at the entrance of the
Gendarmarie, a large police compound. Turn left before entering the
Gendarmarie gate and follow the small street about 100 feet or so
where you'll find a driveway entrance to what appears to be a
two-story apartment building. The Celle PTT office is the last one on
the ground floor and has a blue sign with white script lettering above
the door reading "Cellule des Postes et Télécommunications."

Thanks to David Rosenthal, N6TST for this update.

Additional comments: "Having experienced considerable difficulty
locating the PTT office in Papeete (Tahiti), I added correct street
directions to find the right building as well as producing a map
graphic which I included as a JPEG with this message. This map, though
small, can printed out and easily matched to many readily available
free maps on the island. Perhaps you could paste it into the page as
well since that might be the best way for folks to find their way to
the office. Anyway, I hope you find this helpful and, if I can answer
any questions or provide more information, please feel free to contact
me either via e-mail or at 760 939-5467."
For more information, contact the French Polynesian IARU."
-------------------------------------------------------------

OIther than that, I've pretty well got you and Lennie by the cajones...As
hard as it is to hold on to something that small.

See what I mean? Brittany could fall into your lap and you'd just be
thinking about some guys reproductive equipment. Huge waste of time
in my book.

Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From: (William)
Date: 3/27/2004 9:14 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...
Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From: (William)
Date: 3/25/2004 6:00 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...
Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 3/23/2004 9:47 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Only the one where-in Brittany Spears shows up at my front door with
round-trip tickets to Tahiti begging me to go with her.

Huh? She'll just waste your time.

Try this instead:

Snipped from ARRL site
----------------------------------------------------------
"Visitors to French Polynesia must send in or bring in:

BIG SNIP

OIther than that, I've pretty well got you and Lennie by the
cajones...As
hard as it is to hold on to something that small.

See what I mean? Brittany could fall into your lap and you'd just be
thinking about some guys reproductive equipment. Huge waste of time
in my book.

In YOUR book, perhaps.

An assumption on YOUR part that I don't speak at least competent
tourist-level French would be a foolish one.

Shall I squeeze a bit harder, Brain? Or are you finished making a fool
out of yourself...again...?

Steve, K4YZ

Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 3/23/2004 9:47 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article ,
(Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

It just eats away at Lennie and Brain's rants that those plans include
Amateur Radio to the degree that they do. No problem...Just makes them look
that much more foolish.

Not at all. Both Brian and I have explained what is actually used
in emergency communications and by what means.

No, what Brain has "explained" is nothing at all.

Brain has asserted that the unlicensed radio services play a "major role"
in "emergency comms", but ahs yet to provide even the first example or
reference of thier use.

The "degree to which amateur radio is used" is a secondary role,
one of several fall-back methods to use in case of loss of one or
more of the primaries. The primary method is use of existing
infrastructure and public safety services' communications already
in existance.

Yep. No one has claimed otherwise.

What is "foolish" is all the preening and posturing about your
self-defined "importance in emergencies" from having been granted
a license in what is basically an avocational radio activity, a hobby.

There's not "preening" or "posturing" here, Lennie.

I would suggest a check of your vision. You have lost perspective
in viewing amateur radio in the very large picture of other radio
services. You are exhibiting mental tunnel vision. Not good for you.

What I "saw" (or rather DIDN'T see..) was that neither Leonard H. Anderson
or Brian Burke were participants or consultants at Heartland Response 04. This
was a major effort put on by FEMA and TEMA and did involve several radio
services or nets, including Civil Air Patrol, ARES and SHARES. It included
agencies from four states and had observers from both the Pentagon and the
White House in addition to those agencies already cited.

Good for me since I was in the middle of it and had one heck of a good
time.

Steve, K4YZ

Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From: JJ
Date: 3/23/2004 9:51 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Len Over 21 wrote:

I would suggest a check of your vision. You have lost perspective
in viewing amateur radio in the very large picture of other radio
services. You are exhibiting mental tunnel vision. Not good for you.

Maybe you need to have your tired old eyes checked, I am sure the nurse
at the home there can set up an appointment for you. Have you noticed
that you are less than nothing in the scheme of amateur radio and
emergency comms?

Unfortunately, JJ, he hasn't.

Lennie still perceives himself as an "associate editor" of a long-since
failed Amateur Radio magazine, and assumes since he once shared coffee with
people who ARE licensed Amateurs that he somehow posseses practical skills and
knowledge that they do.

He reminds me of the folks who occassionally show up in the emergency room
and presume themselves to know something about emergency medicine or nursing
based upon watching re-runs of "E.R."...

Close...no cigar...

73

Steve, K4YZ