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Old March 1st 04, 02:59 AM
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Barry OGrady wrote:



It's not a service at all. It is a hobby. All amateur radio operators can do in
times of emergency is get in the way. Leave the professionals to get on
with their job and go back to playing two way radios.


Really? Maybe you should talk to the emergency officals in NYC about
hams and 9/11.

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Old March 1st 04, 06:55 PM
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Dave,

I *like* your idea. Makes more sense than code vs no-code arguements. Do
so many hours per year or you loose the ticket. After so many years of
having the ticket, you get a free pass once you are 65 years of age

73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA

"Dave" wrote in message
...

being a 'service' also has its advantages. would golfers be listened to

at
all if BPL were going to take away their 'right' to play golf? would
hobbyists be asked to help in time of emergency, or be ordered off the

air?
if big business wanted one of our bands and all we did was hunt dx and
ragchew and didn't have a history of service to the country would the
government think twice about taking their money for it? as long as we
remain a service and at least some of us do what we can to help then all
reap the rewards... I move we get rid of the freeloaders, if you don't do

so
many hours of 'service' every year you lose your license! how about them
apples! Of course that won't happen as the administration of it would be
expensive and complicated. so crawl back in your hole and accept the

paper
title of the 'service' and just do what you want anyway.




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Old March 2nd 04, 12:35 AM
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Len Over 21 wrote:


Let's journey back in time to 17 January 1994 and the Northridge
Earthquake. ALL the primary electrical power to about 10 million
was shut off by a single falling MHV tower at a little after 0430..


Rest of lenny's senile drivel deleted:

So based on this one incident you declare that hams have no use in
emergency communications. Lenny, you are dumber than a bag of hammers.

Journey back to the quake of 1985, when there was no, none, nada, phone
service into or out of SF for a period of time, and only sparodic
service locally and see what service the hams were providing not only
for local emergency agencies but also handling traffic into and out of
the area via HF.

Now go take your meds and and hassle the little old ladies in your rest
home.

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Old March 2nd 04, 02:05 AM
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In article , JJ
writes:

Len Over 21 wrote:

Let's journey back in time to 17 January 1994 and the Northridge
Earthquake. ALL the primary electrical power to about 10 million
was shut off by a single falling MHV tower at a little after 0430..


Rest of lenny's senile drivel deleted:


Poor baby...don't like actual facts, ey? :-)

So based on this one incident you declare that hams have no use in
emergency communications.


No, but it is one of MANY in which radio amateurs have NOT
helped in the glorious, noble, and heroic services claimed by the
mythmakers and amateur propagandists.

The Northridge Earthquake was a mere 10 years and 2 months ago.
It affected about 10 million people from the TOTAL absence of
primary electrical power.

Lenny, you are dumber than a bag of hammers.


Poor baby, using a mixed alliteration. That would prove you are
an illiterate alliterator. :-)

Journey back to the quake of 1985, when there was no, none, nada, phone
service into or out of SF for a period of time, and only sparodic
service locally and see what service the hams were providing not only
for local emergency agencies but also handling traffic into and out of
the area via HF.


Of course they were...in your mind.

The Loma Prieta quake was 19 years ago. More severe in Richter
Scale numbers than Northridge, like the Northridge quake it affected
only certain portions of the Bay Area. It was NOT a total collapse
of the infrastructure by any means. While parts of the Bay Area were
without electrical power, the Area was still connected to the Pacific
Intertie.

Unlike Loma Prieta, the entire Los Angeles area was cut off from the
Intertie at a bit past 0430 hours. The Greater Los Angeles area
went BLACK. No lights, nothing, nada, nyet, nicht except were the
emergency generators could supply local lighting. The Loma Prieta
quake started during daylight.

If the infrastructure was so "immobilized" by Loma Prieta, then
explain all the television coverage from the ground as well as the air.
Saw quite a bit of damage in rather widely-scattered areas down
here. Not only that, I called to the area using POTS and got through
normally a few hours after it started.

While you desperately desire to keep the Myth of telephone service
collapsing entirely alive, that isn't true either. While IN an affected
area, the limitations of switching centers don't allow free calling all
around. However, one can call in from OUTSIDE the area. Obviously
the infrastructure was NOT helpless or "down."

During the Northridge quake, I got a call from a relative in Florida
during the afternoon, once again proving one can call in from the
outside even if the switching centers are swamped to calls WITHIN
an affected area.

Throughout both earthquakes the public safety and utility and
construction-wrecking companies were in constant communications
with each other and the various local governments. Their only
overload was dealing with the WORK of rescue and clean-up. They
had no real problem of communications.

Now go take your meds and and hassle the little old ladies in your rest
home.


I take my 0.5% Timulol Maleate regularly in the morning and after
supper. As prescribed.

I don't live in "the med" nor in any "rest home."

You dwell in anonymity, without the courage to identify yourself.

Are you hiding that alleged callsign because you have NO
amateur radio license? Certainly appears that way to everyone.

You are an UNKNOWN as well as cowardly troll, too ignorant of the
world and fearful of that world finding out your true incompetence.
But, your imagination must think you are a Great Hero, a Noble
Communicator Serving Your Nation for having a radio hobby. :-)

Now, go back to dreaming of your glory of selfless dedication to
your community. You don't have it but you can't admit it...

LHA / WMD
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Old March 2nd 04, 03:06 AM
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Len Over 21 wrote:



No, but it is one of MANY in which radio amateurs have NOT
helped in the glorious, noble, and heroic services claimed by the
mythmakers and amateur propagandists.


While you desperately desire to keep the Myth of telephone service
collapsing entirely alive, that isn't true either. While IN an affected
area, the limitations of switching centers don't allow free calling all
around. However, one can call in from OUTSIDE the area. Obviously
the infrastructure was NOT helpless or "down."


For a period of several hours, there was no phone service going IN or
OUT of the area.

Blah, blah, blah, more lennie blabber deleted:

It really chaps your butt that hams have for decades been able to
provide all kinds of ememgency communications when other means fail,
much to the satisfaction to emergency officials who still rely on hams
in emergencies, doesn't it lennie? And you can't be a part of it because
you have no license and can't pass the test to get one. The Office of
Homeland Security thinks enough of hams being able to handle emergency
communications that they are including ham radio in their emergency plans.

Now go back to the rec room of your rest home and see what the other
residents are doing, maybe you can get into a game of strip checkers or
something to take you mind off of your inability to get a ham license.



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Old March 2nd 04, 05:47 AM
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In article , JJ
writes:

Len Over 21 wrote:

No, but it is one of MANY in which radio amateurs have NOT
helped in the glorious, noble, and heroic services claimed by the
mythmakers and amateur propagandists.


While you desperately desire to keep the Myth of telephone service
collapsing entirely alive, that isn't true either. While IN an affected
area, the limitations of switching centers don't allow free calling all
around. However, one can call in from OUTSIDE the area. Obviously
the infrastructure was NOT helpless or "down."


For a period of several hours, there was no phone service going IN or
OUT of the area.


Your sentence is incorrect.

Anonymous one who has no amateur call, you cannot admit your
error. To do so would be against your mythology, the fantasy that
amateur radio always jumps in to save the day.

Blah, blah, blah, more lennie blabber deleted:

It really chaps your butt that hams have for decades been able to
provide all kinds of ememgency communications when other means fail,
much to the satisfaction to emergency officials who still rely on hams
in emergencies, doesn't it lennie?


Not at all. That hasn't been proven to the general statement you
make.

You desperately WANT your statement to be true but it isn't.
Therefore you act tuff and try to bluff others.

First of all, you don't give any amateur radio license callsign,
therefore all must assume you are BOGUS. A fake. Charlatan.
Poseur. A nobody trying to be a somebody. No body at all.

And you can't be a part of it because
you have no license and can't pass the test to get one.


Irrelevant to "Ham Radio Is A Hobby Not A Service."

I have a commercial license. Had it since 1956. An amateur radio
license - which you DO NOT VERIFY AS YOUR OWN - takes less
knowledge to pass than the old First Class Radiotelephone
(Commercial). You seem to forget that the Question Pool is open
to inspection to the public.

The Office of
Homeland Security thinks enough of hams being able to handle emergency
communications that they are including ham radio in their emergency plans.


Oh, my! OFFICIAL recognition? :-)

Has Part 97, Title 47 C.F.R. been changed since that agency was
created AFTER 11 September? :-)

Is U.S. amateur radio primarily an emergency communications service
under Homeland Security? No? Why not? All you noblemen seem
to think you all deserve medals for having fun in a HOBBY.

Now go back to the rec room of your rest home and see what the other
residents are doing, maybe you can get into a game of strip checkers or
something to take you mind off of your inability to get a ham license.


"JJ," quit trying to tawk tuff. Your fake testosterone is showing.

You keep HIDING your identity. Afraid to show who you really are?

You don't really have any sort of license, do you? Yet you PRETEND
to have one with all the tuff tawk and nastygrams in messages.

Pretense and pseudo patriotism is all you have shown so far.

You are ANONYMOUS. A NOBODY. A ZERO. An Unidentified
Spitting Object (USO) entertaining only yourself in "the service."

Get on the mailing list for "Ham Radio For Dummies" to be
published soon. Study it. Learn from it. You could be somebody
instead of the nobody you are in here.

LHA / WMD
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Old March 2nd 04, 06:10 AM
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Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , JJ
writes:


Len Over 21 wrote:


No, but it is one of MANY in which radio amateurs have NOT
helped in the glorious, noble, and heroic services claimed by the
mythmakers and amateur propagandists.


While you desperately desire to keep the Myth of telephone service
collapsing entirely alive, that isn't true either. While IN an affected
area, the limitations of switching centers don't allow free calling all
around. However, one can call in from OUTSIDE the area. Obviously
the infrastructure was NOT helpless or "down."


For a period of several hours, there was no phone service going IN or
OUT of the area.



Your sentence is incorrect.

Anonymous one who has no amateur call, you cannot admit your
error. To do so would be against your mythology, the fantasy that
amateur radio always jumps in to save the day.


Not always, but always when needed and has saved the day many times.
That you can't be a part of it to get your recognition really gets your
goat doesn't it?



Blah, blah, blah, more lennie blabber deleted:

It really chaps your butt that hams have for decades been able to
provide all kinds of ememgency communications when other means fail,
much to the satisfaction to emergency officials who still rely on hams
in emergencies, doesn't it lennie?



Not at all. That hasn't been proven to the general statement you
make.

You desperately WANT your statement to be true but it isn't.
Therefore you act tuff and try to bluff others.


You so desperately WANT to convince others that ham radio serves no
purpose other than a hobby, therefor you act tough and try to bluff others.


First of all, you don't give any amateur radio license callsign,
therefore all must assume you are BOGUS. A fake. Charlatan.
Poseur. A nobody trying to be a somebody. No body at all.


Don't worry lennyboy, I do have an Advanced class, lack of display of my
callsign is of no revelance to "Ham Radio Is A Hobby Not A Service".
You don't hold a ham license therefore you are irrelevant to any
discusson on ham radio. How do I know you are really who you say you
are? I think you are a fake, just someone with a bogus id, not who you
say you are at all.



And you can't be a part of it because
you have no license and can't pass the test to get one.



Irrelevant to "Ham Radio Is A Hobby Not A Service."

I have a commercial license. Had it since 1956. An amateur radio
license - which you DO NOT VERIFY AS YOUR OWN - takes less
knowledge to pass than the old First Class Radiotelephone
(Commercial). You seem to forget that the Question Pool is open
to inspection to the public.


A commercial license that isn't worth the paper it is printed on now. I
held a Second Class, got it in 1961, since expired, so what does that
prove? I also hold an amateur radio operators license...you don't.


The Office of
Homeland Security thinks enough of hams being able to handle emergency
communications that they are including ham radio in their emergency plans.



Oh, my! OFFICIAL recognition? :-)

Has Part 97, Title 47 C.F.R. been changed since that agency was
created AFTER 11 September? :-)

Is U.S. amateur radio primarily an emergency communications service
under Homeland Security?


If other means are not available it will be.

No? Why not? All you noblemen seem
to think you all deserve medals for having fun in a HOBBY.


Yea, ham radio operators have received lots recognition for their
service in emergency communication, from local officials all the way to
the Whitehouse. I don't ever remember seeing anyone standing in line for
a medal. Grinds your hemroids dosen't it? You can't be a part of it
because you can't or too lazy to pass the test, so you devote your time
to attempting to tear down amateur radio. Stop wasting you time, it
doesn't fly. You really have a hard on for those of us who took the
time, have the ability to learn, and obtain a license don't you?



You are ANONYMOUS. A NOBODY. A ZERO. An Unidentified
Spitting Object (USO) entertaining only yourself in "the service."


And as a non-ham on this group, you are a NOBODY, NADA, NOTHING, ZERO,
ZIP, ZILCH.

Get on the mailing list for "Ham Radio For Dummies" to be
published soon.


I spoke to the author of that book and told me he wrote it just for you,
but I told him he wasted his time, he wouldn't be able to make it simple
enough for you to understand. Now help up that little old lady you
pushed over to rush back to the computer to post your drivel and go back
to your room for you meds, the nurse is waiting for you, old man.


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Old March 2nd 04, 02:38 PM
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JJ wrote in message ...
Len Over 21 wrote:

Anonymous one who has no amateur call, you cannot admit your
error. To do so would be against your mythology, the fantasy that
amateur radio always jumps in to save the day.


Not always, but always when needed and has saved the day many times.
That you can't be a part of it to get your recognition really gets your
goat doesn't it?


Would you estimate that in the last decade more cellular telephones
have saved the day than all of amateur radio in the last century?
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William wrote:
JJ wrote in message ...

Len Over 21 wrote:


Anonymous one who has no amateur call, you cannot admit your
error. To do so would be against your mythology, the fantasy that
amateur radio always jumps in to save the day.


Not always, but always when needed and has saved the day many times.
That you can't be a part of it to get your recognition really gets your
goat doesn't it?



Would you estimate that in the last decade more cellular telephones
have saved the day than all of amateur radio in the last century?


One a daily basis such as reporting traffic accidents, calling for an
ambulance, and other minor emergencies, probably, but in a major
disaster cell networks tend to become overloaded and useless. Ask the
emergency officals in NYC about 9/11. The cell phone networks were so
overloaded they were practically useless for any emergency efforts. That
is why the hams were called in. Your point is?

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"William" wrote in message
om...
JJ wrote in message

...
Len Over 21 wrote:

Anonymous one who has no amateur call, you cannot admit your
error. To do so would be against your mythology, the fantasy that
amateur radio always jumps in to save the day.


Not always, but always when needed and has saved the day many times.
That you can't be a part of it to get your recognition really gets your
goat doesn't it?


Would you estimate that in the last decade more cellular telephones
have saved the day than all of amateur radio in the last century?


What's your point? The same can be said of many things.
Ham radio is still a service and considered by the FCC to
be of sufficient value as a service to warrant keeping it around.

Cheers,
Bill K2UNK


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