William wrote:

JJ wrote in message ...

William wrote:


JJ wrote in message ...


William wrote:



I would hazard a quess that the average American Citizen DOES know
someone with a cell phone. Cell phones are almost ubiquitous, so much
so that they are annoyances. 100 million subscriptions, 265 million
people. You do the math.

And the network becomes useless in an emergency,


Stop right there.

In every emergency ever, the cell network always becomes useless?

As far as millitary and civil authorities are concerned for official
emergency comms... a big *yes*.


Are you the SECDEF? Are you the Director of FEMA?

You paint with a broad brush and without authority.

That makes it grafitti.

I suggest you call NORAD/NORTHCOM, FEMA, The Red Cross, Civil
Defense,and other emergency agencies and ask them how much weight they
place on the cell phone system for emergency comms in times of a major
disaster.

JJ wrote in message ...
William wrote:

JJ wrote in message ...

William wrote:


JJ wrote in message ...


William wrote:



I would hazard a quess that the average American Citizen DOES know
someone with a cell phone. Cell phones are almost ubiquitous, so much
so that they are annoyances. 100 million subscriptions, 265 million
people. You do the math.

And the network becomes useless in an emergency,


Stop right there.

In every emergency ever, the cell network always becomes useless?

As far as millitary and civil authorities are concerned for official
emergency comms... a big *yes*.


Are you the SECDEF? Are you the Director of FEMA?

You paint with a broad brush and without authority.

That makes it grafitti.

I suggest you call NORAD/NORTHCOM, FEMA, The Red Cross, Civil
Defense,and other emergency agencies and ask them how much weight they
place on the cell phone system for emergency comms in times of a major
disaster.

I suggest you tell Average Citizen that he or she needs to have an
amateur radio operator strapped to their hip for emergency purposes.

Until they buy into your argument in large numbers, cellular
telephones will continue to eclipse amateur radio for Average Citizens
emergency communications.

"William" wrote in message
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JJ wrote in message
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I suggest you tell Average Citizen that he or she needs to have an
amateur radio operator strapped to their hip for emergency purposes.

Until they buy into your argument in large numbers, cellular
telephones will continue to eclipse amateur radio for Average Citizens
emergency communications.

You make the mistake by considering all emergencies to be equal. They are
not. Cell phone is great for communicating when you go off the road in an
ice storm. It is useless when all the local cell towers have been taken out
by a hurricane. Emergency communications need to be appropriate to the
situation. Nothing more and nothing less.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

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"William" wrote in message
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JJ wrote in message
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I suggest you tell Average Citizen that he or she needs to have an
amateur radio operator strapped to their hip for emergency purposes.

Until they buy into your argument in large numbers, cellular
telephones will continue to eclipse amateur radio for Average Citizens
emergency communications.

You make the mistake by considering all emergencies to be equal.

No I don't.

They are
not.

You won the door prize.

Cell phone is great for communicating when you go off the road in an
ice storm.

Actually, cell phones just might suck when you go off the road in an ice storm.

It is useless when all the local cell towers have been taken out
by a hurricane.

Has that ever happened? Name the storm.

Emergency communications need to be appropriate to the
situation.

Ding ding ding. Give that monkey a banana!

Nothing more and nothing less.

Has ham radio ever NOT gotten through? Did the ham survive that emergency?

Even in a total comm blackout, people do survive.

William wrote:
JJ wrote in message ...

William wrote:


JJ wrote in message ...


William wrote:



JJ wrote in message ...



William wrote:




I would hazard a quess that the average American Citizen DOES know
someone with a cell phone. Cell phones are almost ubiquitous, so much
so that they are annoyances. 100 million subscriptions, 265 million
people. You do the math.

And the network becomes useless in an emergency,


Stop right there.

In every emergency ever, the cell network always becomes useless?

As far as millitary and civil authorities are concerned for official
emergency comms... a big *yes*.


Are you the SECDEF? Are you the Director of FEMA?

You paint with a broad brush and without authority.

That makes it grafitti.

I suggest you call NORAD/NORTHCOM, FEMA, The Red Cross, Civil
Defense,and other emergency agencies and ask them how much weight they
place on the cell phone system for emergency comms in times of a major
disaster.


I suggest you tell Average Citizen that he or she needs to have an
amateur radio operator strapped to their hip for emergency purposes.

Where did I speak of the average citizen?

Until they buy into your argument in large numbers, cellular
telephones will continue to eclipse amateur radio for Average Citizens
emergency communications.

So they may, but in times of emergency, the military and other civil
authorites will not rely on cell phones to handle major emergency
communications. They will rely on Amateur Radio if the need arises and
AR can supplement military or other civil emergency comms, but they will
not rely on the cell network.

JJ wrote in message ...
William wrote:
JJ wrote in message ...

William wrote:


JJ wrote in message ...


William wrote:



JJ wrote in message ...



William wrote:




I would hazard a quess that the average American Citizen DOES know
someone with a cell phone. Cell phones are almost ubiquitous, so much
so that they are annoyances. 100 million subscriptions, 265 million
people. You do the math.

And the network becomes useless in an emergency,


Stop right there.

In every emergency ever, the cell network always becomes useless?

As far as millitary and civil authorities are concerned for official
emergency comms... a big *yes*.


Are you the SECDEF? Are you the Director of FEMA?

You paint with a broad brush and without authority.

That makes it grafitti.

I suggest you call NORAD/NORTHCOM, FEMA, The Red Cross, Civil
Defense,and other emergency agencies and ask them how much weight they
place on the cell phone system for emergency comms in times of a major
disaster.


I suggest you tell Average Citizen that he or she needs to have an
amateur radio operator strapped to their hip for emergency purposes.

Where did I speak of the average citizen?

That's who I've been speaking of all along. Do try to keep up.

Until they buy into your argument in large numbers, cellular
telephones will continue to eclipse amateur radio for Average Citizens
emergency communications.

So they may, but in times of emergency, the military and other civil
authorites will not rely on cell phones to handle major emergency
communications.

And it's always about the military and civil authorities, isn't it?

I am no longer an instrument of national policy. Are you?

They will rely on Amateur Radio if the need arises and
AR can supplement military or other civil emergency comms, but they will
not rely on the cell network.

They do and will continue to rely upon cellular telephones and pagers
for notification. Get used to it.

William wrote:




And it's always about the military and civil authorities, isn't it?

That is who will be handling the major comms during a major emergency,
not the AC with a cell phone on his hip.


They do and will continue to rely upon cellular telephones and pagers
for notification. Get used to it.

But they will not rely on cell phones to carry communications during a
major emergency, but they may rely on ham radio if needed, get used to it.

JJ wrote in message ...
William wrote:

And it's always about the military and civil authorities, isn't it?

That is who will be handling the major comms during a major emergency,
not the AC with a cell phone on his hip.

For what purpose are they handling the major comms?

They do and will continue to rely upon cellular telephones and pagers
for notification. Get used to it.

But they will not rely on cell phones to carry communications during a
major emergency, but they may rely on ham radio if needed, get used to it.

I've been used to that. But there's a new technology on board now. Get used to it.

William wrote:


I've been used to that. But there's a new technology on board now. Get used to it.

Which isn't even a consideration in the military or civil authorities
plans for use in emergency comms during a major disaster...ham radio is.
Get used to it.

Subject: Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
From: (William)
Date: 3/21/2004 7:14 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

I suggest you tell Average Citizen that he or she needs to have an
amateur radio operator strapped to their hip for emergency purposes.

Where did I speak of the average citizen?

That's who I've been speaking of all along. Do try to keep up.

JJ...please take CAREEFUL note.

YOU were talking about disaster preparedness, those sets of plans in place
by your local or state EMA, FEMA, etc. And in the overall scheme of things,
you (and I) are correct.

Brain, on the other hand, having been UNABLE to successfully argue against
the value of Amateur Radio in those plans, has shifted his definition of
"emergency comms" to those of STRICTLY "the average citizen".

In the very narrow slice of "emergency comms" that Brian the Brainless has
wedged himself into, yes, John Q Public is going to whip out the old cellphone
and call 9-1-1 to get a cop, report a fire, or request EMS for an accident or
medical emergency...Just like he would have dialed a payphone 5 years ago.

In a true "disaster preparedness" mode, cellphones may suffer all of the
bad things that you and I have said they will.

THAT assertion is made upon the evidence that such incidents have ALREADY
HAPPENED, and those occurences have been sufficient to impress the REAL
"emergency comms" planners to continue to incorporate Amateur Radio in a wide
range of plans.

This is not "urban legend" or based upon some " feel good news release of
the ARRL" as Lennie the Loser would have us believe. Real, front-page news
stuff. Sorry he won't admit it, but that only helps to substantiate MY claims
about his "superior intellect".

So they may, but in times of emergency, the military and other civil
authorites will not rely on cell phones to handle major emergency
communications.

And it's always about the military and civil authorities, isn't it?

Uhhhhhhh....Brain....Other than "military" or "civilian", what other
categories are there?

I am no longer an instrument of national policy. Are you?

As long as my Right to Vote has not been revoked, you're danged tooting I
am!

Try again, blockhead.

Steve, K4YZ