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March 29th 04, 09:59 PM
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Subject: Why the caste system? was: NCVEC files license
restructuringdepends From: (William) Date: 3/29/2004 2:19 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: (Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ... Subject: Why the caste system? was: NCVEC files license restructuringdepends From: (William) Date: 3/28/2004 8:29 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: Sir Scummy interjected such a suggestion some months ago when he described what the typical "ham QTH" must look like, with the aforementioned lanternboy adorning the driveway and towers in the back yard. Sheeeeesh. Can't you get ANYTHING right...?!?! Putz. Steve, K4YZ There you go assuming again. I read few of Len's posts. So when I see you using reverse psychology on Len, it just looks like your original idea. If you want to think that, go right ahead. You've obviously read too FEW of "Len's" posts. Or you simply choose to ignore the one's that again make a fool of your and he. (Which are a fair share) I am sure it will salve your concious to NOT think that YOUR mentor was so creepy as to have suggested it in the first place. Sorrry for you...Sucks to be you, Brain. Steve, K3YZ |
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March 30th 04, 06:12 PM
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Subject: Why the caste system? was: NCVEC files license
restructuringdepends From: (William) Date: 3/30/2004 7:39 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: (Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ... There you go assuming again. I read few of Len's posts. So when I see you using reverse psychology on Len, it just looks like your original idea. If you want to think that, go right ahead. My privelege. I am sure you meant priviledge, but that's OK... You've obviously read too FEW of "Len's" posts. How many of Len's posts am I supposed to read? All of them, Brainless One. Perhaps you might discover why it is that he does not warrant the "respect" he THINKS he does. Or you simply choose to ignore the one's that again make a fool of your and he. (Which are a fair share) There you go assuming again. No "assumption", Brain. It's evidenced in your posts. I am sure it will salve your concious to NOT think that YOUR mentor was so creepy as to have suggested it in the first place. It's just wrong that what you claim is creepy is repeated by you so often, without attributing its origin. Had you been paying attention, you'd know. As if you were stealing intellectual property. Brain, there is absolutely NOTHING "intellectual" about either you OR Lennie. You're not right in the head. Still waiting on you to provide for me the nature of your medical or psychiatric education or licensure that qualifies you to make that statement in a public forum. I, on the otherhand, HAVE had training and education that, while not allowing me to make a diagnosis, would allow me to determine that you are suffering from some of your OWN mental health abberations that would warrant medical or psychiatric intervention...even in Ohio. Steve, K4YZ |
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March 31st 04, 03:18 PM
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(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ...
Subject: Why the caste system? was: NCVEC files license restructuringdepends From: (William) Date: 3/30/2004 7:39 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: (Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ... There you go assuming again. I read few of Len's posts. So when I see you using reverse psychology on Len, it just looks like your original idea. If you want to think that, go right ahead. My privelege. I am sure you meant priviledge, but that's OK... Yes, that is what I meant. Thank you. You've obviously read too FEW of "Len's" posts. How many of Len's posts am I supposed to read? All of them, Brainless One. Nope. Perhaps you might discover why it is that he does not warrant the "respect" he THINKS he does. I respect Len for his service, and I respect Len for his knowledge of the art and science of radio. When Len is given the opportunity to speak about radio, I listen in because there is something to be learned. I also share Len's view that the Morse Code Exam requirement has long, long since served its usefulness to the Amateur Radio community, and should be retired as a licensing requirement. Should have been retired a long time ago. Unfortunately, there are some here that don't value Len's service, radio knowledge, or opinion of amateur radio licensing requirements, or all of the above. They want to exclude Len from the discussion based upon no amateur license. As pointed out repeatedly, those who make and enforce the regulations are not required to hold an amateur license. And in America, every citizen has a voice. Those who are tyrants do not believe this, and when they try to silence Len, they must be willing to accept any and all repercussions of holding such an assinine view. So I don't read all of Lens posts because its just some self-appointed Sheriff and him barking at each other. |
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March 31st 04, 05:15 PM
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Subject: Why the caste system? was: NCVEC files license
restructuringdepends From: (William) Date: 3/31/2004 8:18 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: (Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ... Perhaps you might discover why it is that he does not warrant the "respect" he THINKS he does. I respect Len for his service, and I respect Len for his knowledge of the art and science of radio. Len served in the Armed Forces. Bully for him. His "service" to the "radio profession" has yet to be established by any source other than himself. When Len is given the opportunity to speak about radio, I listen in because there is something to be learned. How can you know if he's saying anything of value if you don't read all his posts? I also share Len's view that the Morse Code Exam requirement has long, long since served its usefulness to the Amateur Radio community, and should be retired as a licensing requirement. Should have been retired a long time ago. Lennie's "views" are based upon some personal expression of anger and angst AGAINST Amateur Radio. Lennie has absolutely ZERO-POINT-SQUAT minutes of operating an Amateur Radio Station from which to make an informed opinion. Unfortunately, there are some here that don't value Len's service, radio knowledge, or opinion of amateur radio licensing requirements, or all of the above. They want to exclude Len from the discussion based upon no amateur license. As pointed out repeatedly, those who make and enforce the regulations are not required to hold an amateur license. And in America, every citizen has a voice. Those who are tyrants do not believe this, and when they try to silence Len, they must be willing to accept any and all repercussions of holding such an assinine view. We "exclude" Lennie becasue Lennie only assumes himself to be "qualified" to discuss anything related to radio since he was an alleged "professional". Also, his irreverent use of profanity and personal insults against anything that is "not Lennie" does little to endear him to folks here, even those who may be predisposed to agree with his "opinion" on Morse Code testing. No one likes to be associated with a foul-mouthed liar. So I don't read all of Lens posts because its just some self-appointed Sheriff and him barking at each other. I am not "barking" at him. I rub his nose in his frequent newsgroup errors. Just like I do you. Steve, K4YZ |
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#6
April 2nd 04, 04:17 AM
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(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ...
Subject: Why the caste system? was: NCVEC files license restructuringdepends From: (William) Date: 3/31/2004 8:18 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: (Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ... Perhaps you might discover why it is that he does not warrant the "respect" he THINKS he does. I respect Len for his service, and I respect Len for his knowledge of the art and science of radio. Len served in the Armed Forces. Bully for him. Bully for you. He paved the way for your lame self. His "service" to the "radio profession" has yet to be established by any source other than himself. His detractors have established his service. They fear his knowledge. Why are they so upset? When Len is given the opportunity to speak about radio, I listen in because there is something to be learned. How can you know if he's saying anything of value if you don't read all his posts? Luck of the click? I also share Len's view that the Morse Code Exam requirement has long, long since served its usefulness to the Amateur Radio community, and should be retired as a licensing requirement. Should have been retired a long time ago. Lennie's "views" are based upon some personal expression of anger and angst AGAINST Amateur Radio. Some are. His view of retiring the Morse or Farnsworth Exams are not. They are widely held views by amateurs who have passed such exams and those who have not. You'll just have to get over it. Lennie has absolutely ZERO-POINT-SQUAT minutes of operating an Amateur Radio Station from which to make an informed opinion. So you say the physics of amateur radio are something special and unique. Unfortunately, there are some here that don't value Len's service, radio knowledge, or opinion of amateur radio licensing requirements, or all of the above. They want to exclude Len from the discussion based upon no amateur license. As pointed out repeatedly, those who make and enforce the regulations are not required to hold an amateur license. And in America, every citizen has a voice. Those who are tyrants do not believe this, and when they try to silence Len, they must be willing to accept any and all repercussions of holding such an assinine view. We "exclude" Lennie becasue Lennie only assumes himself to be "qualified" to discuss anything related to radio since he was an alleged "professional". See??? "Len is not an amateur, therefore Len can know nothing about amateur radio." Why do you insist on being wrong all of the time? Do you enjoy being that kook ex-Marine that everyone thinks has post-traumatic stress syndrome? But never saw combat. Also, his irreverent use of profanity Now there is a reverent use of profanity? and personal insults against anything that is "not Lennie" does little to endear him to folks here, even those who may be predisposed to agree with his "opinion" on Morse Code testing. No one likes to be associated with a foul-mouthed liar. You do nothing to endear yourself to folks here, either. You behave badly. You are an embarassment to the amateur community and to RRAP. So I don't read all of Lens posts because its just some self-appointed Sheriff and him barking at each other. I am not "barking" at him. Oh, my. I guess since I'm not a dog I cannot recognize barking? I rub his nose in his frequent newsgroup errors. As I rub your nose in every carpet stain that you leave here. Just like I do you. So you say. |
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April 2nd 04, 08:03 AM
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(William) writes: (Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ... Subject: Why the caste system? was: NCVEC files license restructuringdepends From: (William) Date: 3/31/2004 8:18 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: (Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ... Perhaps you might discover why it is that he does not warrant the "respect" he THINKS he does. I respect Len for his service, and I respect Len for his knowledge of the art and science of radio. Len served in the Armed Forces. Bully for him. Bully for you. He paved the way for your lame self. Tsk, tsk. Steamy wasn't born yet when I fired up on HF for the first time. Full KW output it was, too. :-) His "service" to the "radio profession" has yet to be established by any source other than himself. His detractors have established his service. They fear his knowledge. Why are they so upset? ...because the gunnery nurse didn't check out my references given in here. :-) [Especially so when three of them are long-time licensed radio amateurs with web addresses]. But...if I give that brief listing of employers, the gunnery nurse bitches and moans and carries on about "'we' don't want to see your #$%^!!! 'curriculum vitae!'" :-) He should have said 'resume' not any c.v. When Len is given the opportunity to speak about radio, I listen in because there is something to be learned. How can you know if he's saying anything of value if you don't read all his posts? Luck of the click? I also share Len's view that the Morse Code Exam requirement has long, long since served its usefulness to the Amateur Radio community, and should be retired as a licensing requirement. Should have been retired a long time ago. Lennie's "views" are based upon some personal expression of anger and angst AGAINST Amateur Radio. Some are. His view of retiring the Morse or Farnsworth Exams are not. They are widely held views by amateurs who have passed such exams and those who have not. Poor steamy. He still thinks He 'represents' all of hum radio and, therefore, anything said contrary to hisself is "anger against hams!" :-) You'll just have to get over it. Don't put any bets out about it...steamy is into his rants too deep to pull out now. Lennie has absolutely ZERO-POINT-SQUAT minutes of operating an Amateur Radio Station from which to make an informed opinion. So you say the physics of amateur radio are something special and unique. Poor guy knows only the physics of hum radio, therefore all radios are hum radios. Hummmmmm. Unfortunately, there are some here that don't value Len's service, radio knowledge, or opinion of amateur radio licensing requirements, or all of the above. They want to exclude Len from the discussion based upon no amateur license. As pointed out repeatedly, those who make and enforce the regulations are not required to hold an amateur license. And in America, every citizen has a voice. Those who are tyrants do not believe this, and when they try to silence Len, they must be willing to accept any and all repercussions of holding such an assinine view. We "exclude" Lennie becasue Lennie only assumes himself to be "qualified" to discuss anything related to radio since he was an alleged "professional". See??? "Len is not an amateur, therefore Len can know nothing about amateur radio." Ackshully, by the steamy one's "logic," absolutely nobody could get their first amateur radio license. "They don't know anything about it!" They wouldn't be able to pass any tests. No get license from FCC. Why do you insist on being wrong all of the time? Steam-inflated ego does it for him. Do you enjoy being that kook ex-Marine that everyone thinks has post-traumatic stress syndrome? I don't know what he got, but whatever it is nobody should have! He done got a medical discharge he say. But, he say he got a pilot license and derefour he done pass a flight physical. But never saw combat. Hey! He done say he got "SEVEN HOSTILE ACTIONS" in da military! He no say where or when, but dat be "irreverent." Also, his irreverent use of profanity Now there is a reverent use of profanity? It must be those ministers he hang out wid. and personal insults against anything that is "not Lennie" does little to endear him to folks here, even those who may be predisposed to agree with his "opinion" on Morse Code testing. No one likes to be associated with a foul-mouthed liar. You do nothing to endear yourself to folks here, either. Understatement, Brian, understatement. :-) You behave badly. You are an embarassment to the amateur community and to RRAP. Steamy one done represent ALL hum raddio amatoors. He say dat roun' a bout. So I don't read all of Lens posts because its just some self-appointed Sheriff and him barking at each other. I am not "barking" at him. Oh, my. I guess since I'm not a dog I cannot recognize barking? Not a Licensed Amateur Dog! To bark in this newsgrope ya gots ta have a ARRL-approved license for amateur dogginess. Arf!. I rub his nose in his frequent newsgroup errors. As I rub your nose in every carpet stain that you leave here. Just like I do you. So you say. Careful. With all this nose-rubbing some Eskimo may think you two are getting it on... :-) LHA / WMD |
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#8
April 2nd 04, 05:47 PM
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Subject: Why the caste system? was: NCVEC files license
restructuringdepends From: (William) Date: 4/1/2004 9:17 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: (Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ... Subject: Why the caste system? was: NCVEC files license restructuringdepends From: (William) Date: 3/31/2004 8:18 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: (Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ... Len served in the Armed Forces. Bully for him. Bully for you. He paved the way for your lame self. Lennie didn't "pave the way" for ANYthing I did in the Armed Forces, Brain. Different branches...Different motivations for serving...Different MOS's... His detractors have established his service. They fear his knowledge. Let's get one thing straight, PuppetBoy... If you and Sir Scummy pulled up in fornt of my home with an Abrams tank, locked, loaded and at point-blank-range, I'd STILL not have anything to fear from either of you. Why are they so upset? Because we don't tolerate liars and people who intentionally misrepresent something we clearly know to be not true. Lennie's "views" are based upon some personal expression of anger and angst AGAINST Amateur Radio. Some are. His view of retiring the Morse or Farnsworth Exams are not. They are widely held views by amateurs who have passed such exams and those who have not. ...and absolutely no practical experience in Amateur Radio on which to determine if the opinions of others are valid or not. You'll just have to get over it. Get over what? That he's talking out of the wrong orifice? Or that YOU are? I hardly think so! Lennie has absolutely ZERO-POINT-SQUAT minutes of operating an Amateur Radio Station from which to make an informed opinion. So you say the physics of amateur radio are something special and unique. Unfortunately, there are some here that don't value Len's service, radio knowledge, or opinion of amateur radio licensing requirements, or all of the above. They want to exclude Len from the discussion based upon no amateur license. As pointed out repeatedly, those who make and enforce the regulations are not required to hold an amateur license. And in America, every citizen has a voice. Those who are tyrants do not believe this, and when they try to silence Len, they must be willing to accept any and all repercussions of holding such an assinine view. We "exclude" Lennie becasue Lennie only assumes himself to be "qualified" to discuss anything related to radio since he was an alleged "professional". See??? See what? That Lennie has, BY HIS OWN ADMISSION, no practical experience in Amateur Radio? "Len is not an amateur, therefore Len can know nothing about amateur radio." Why do you insist on being wrong all of the time? I am not wrong. Lennie knows lots-and-lots about radio THEORY. He knows almost NOTHING of APPLICATION as it pertains to AMATEUR RADIO. Do you enjoy being that kook ex-Marine that everyone thinks has post-traumatic stress syndrome? OK, Brain... YOU made another assertion of fact. From what source did you obtain THAT suggestion, OTHER than to make it up. But never saw combat. Sorry for you, Brain...Been there...Done that. Also, his irreverent use of profanity Now there is a reverent use of profanity? Nope. and personal insults against anything that is "not Lennie" does little to endear him to folks here, even those who may be predisposed to agree with his "opinion" on Morse Code testing. No one likes to be associated with a foul-mouthed liar. You do nothing to endear yourself to folks here, either. But I don't lie and I don't misrepresent things that are KNOWN to be otherwise, Brain. That you and your scumbag "mentor" find that makes you uncomfortable is YOUR tough luck...Not mine. You behave badly. You are an embarassment to the amateur community and to RRAP. Uh huh...Right. So I don't read all of Lens posts because its just some self-appointed Sheriff and him barking at each other. I am not "barking" at him. Oh, my. I guess since I'm not a dog I cannot recognize barking? What "barking", Brain. Nothing of what I see here comes even close to what my Webster's defines as "barking". I rub his nose in his frequent newsgroup errors. As I rub your nose in every carpet stain that you leave here. Such as..?!?! All the stories I've told about operating illegally from Somalia? The unfounded assertions I've made about "emergency comms"...?!?! Just like I do you. So you say. So I've proved. Again. Steve, K4YZ |
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March 31st 04, 09:01 PM
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#10
April 1st 04, 03:53 PM
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Subject: Why the caste system? was: NCVEC files license
restructuringdepends From: (Len Over 21) Date: 3/31/2004 2:01 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: In article , (William) writes: How many of Len's posts am I supposed to read? All of them, Brainless One. Nope. Perhaps you might discover why it is that he does not warrant the "respect" he THINKS he does. I respect Len for his service, and I respect Len for his knowledge of the art and science of radio. Thank you, Brian. I respect your military service also. Where did he say "military service"...??? When Len is given the opportunity to speak about radio, I listen in because there is something to be learned. It is very rare that the technology of radio is brought up in here, quite possibly because so few have bothered to learn about it or practice it...everyone is all concerned with operating and the state of the art of rank-status-privilege, their collection of old QST magazines, and the importance of obeying everything that the ARRL commands them to do. Conjecture at best. There is an (unfortunate for all) spitefulness that someone who has worked IN radio-electronics for over a half century and for money (gasp!) can possibly comment on anything "amateur." The spiteful are angry and outraged that anyone disturbs their pipe dreams of honor and glory and national service of an essentially avocational activity carried on for personal enjoyment. They must spin tales, tails twirling, of their "national need" and medal-worthy imagination of saving future civilization through heroic fantasy stories about morsemanship in speculative futures. Your dissertations on the theoretical aspects of radio communications are robust, even entertaining at times. Your RANTINGS about Amatuer licensing, practive and programs are, in a word, WEAK. I also share Len's view that the Morse Code Exam requirement has long, long since served its usefulness to the Amateur Radio community, and should be retired as a licensing requirement. Should have been retired a long time ago. Irrelevant to the long-timers, the self-professed "leaders" of the "amateur community" who wish to dictate to others that what they enjoy must be practiced by all others...because they alone are the imaginary spirit of amateur radio, the ones carrying the symbolic torch of championship of the radio arts and "necessary" communications modes. They have placed their symbolic laurel wreaths (of expertise) on themselves, bravely defending their alleged rights to be better than others in rank-status-privilege. These "experts" disallow any dissent of their god-like opinions for they are above any discussion with mere mortals like you and me. Rhetorical balderdash, it ate up bandwith and let you show off your vocabulary, Otherwise it was yet another venomous swipe at Amateur Radio....the same kind of stugg that earns you your own rank-status-priviledge as King-of-the Hill of mudslinging. Meanwhile they are not cognizant that the FCC is still defining International Morse Code to an obsolete ITU-T (not ITU-R) document, CCITT Recommendation F.1 (1984) Division B, I. Morse Code. That was still in the very official regulations' definitions at 94.3 (a) (27) as of 1 October 2003. They don't know what is contained within that Recommendation because it is only available from the ITU and for a fee...or that it has been superseded in nomenclature and some changes (other than the astounding and oh-so-important addition of the @ character to the standard set) by the ITU-T; the CCITT itself has been superseded entire by the ITU-T. The CCITT document never defined a telegraphic "word" either in size or for rate, it only defined the relative length of dot, dash, and spacings. [you know this because I e-mailed a direct copy of my ITU-T document file to you as a favor] Instead, the arguments in here have raged on solely on the basis of "everyone knows this!" as if all law and regulations are based on some paranormal common knowledge. Regardless of your interpretations of how the FCC is defining Morse Code requirements, the fact is that it's being dealt with. Unfortunately, there are some here that don't value Len's service, radio knowledge, or opinion of amateur radio licensing requirements, or all of the above. They want to exclude Len from the discussion based upon no amateur license. As pointed out repeatedly, those who make and enforce the regulations are not required to hold an amateur license. Irrelevant to the self-professed "leaders" and gods of amateurism. Reality has no place in imaginary fantasyland imaginations of glory and honor and national service through amateurism. The "glory and honor (of) national service through amateurism (sic)" is not one proffed by the Amateru community itself...It comes from countless private and governmental agencies. And in America, every citizen has a voice. The First Amendment Rights have been overruled by these self-professed "leaders." Evidence of that exists in the public view on proceeding 98-143 for 25 January 1999. Too bed that those 14 years of night school didn't teach you about the Bill of Rights, Lennie. You need to re-read them and see to whom the amendment applies. (hint: it prevents the federal government from interfereing with the press...it does not address private citizens.) Those who are tyrants do not believe this, and when they try to silence Len, they must be willing to accept any and all repercussions of holding such an assinine view. Independent thought is not allowed in here. All must obey the dictates of the self-professed "leaders" of amateurism in radio. These "leaders" are without fault...all who disagree with them are rewarded by a barrage of personal insults instead of addressing the subject under discussion. The "leaders" rule by barbarian warlord tactics of neighborhood gangsterism in messaging. Yeah...I see that "independent thought" with you hand up Brain's backside to manipulate his mouth for you. Do you really try the "ventrilloquist" trick, or do you use a tape recorder? So I don't read all of Lens posts because its just some self-appointed Sheriff and him barking at each other. That is how it should be. Actually it allows Brainless to formulate "opinions" based upon less-than-consistent rantings from his "mentor". Unfortunately for the two of you (and Brain moreso than Lennie), you are the only one's who can't appreciate the humor of Brian's posts as he tries to follow in Lennie's "footsteps"... A problem for casual readers in here is that the "leaders" cannot survive arguments on the subject which contradict their cherished myths and fables. The end result is much wasted time of these individual "message warlords" competeting for personal status as newsgroup "leaders." Among these regular "leaders" it doesn't matter whether the subject is about amateur radio, it is all concerned with the righteousness of their personal opinion triumphing for them in any way possible. Amateur radio policy is far down on the list topped by their Need To Be RIGHT!. And that is how it is. No, it's yet another Amateur-bashing free-for-all by a person known for inaccuracies and intentional mistruths, embellished with an overactive vocabulary and overly self impressed opinion of himself. Not that Lennie leaves us much else to deal with. Steve, K4YZ LHA / WMD |
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