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Some of us hams might be proud to wear a shirt like that. While I don't
disagree with Part 97 or the basic regulatory apparatus, I do disagree
with the blatant censorship being perpetrated by the FCC.

And I have both my Extra and my General Radiotelephone licenses.

Subject: T shirt for some of you non hams
From: Tony P.
Date: 4/7/2004 1:46 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article ,
says...
http://www.enemynation.com/ProductIm...ges/fcc300.gif

Some of us hams might be proud to wear a shirt like that. While I don't
disagree with Part 97 or the basic regulatory apparatus, I do disagree
with the blatant censorship being perpetrated by the FCC.

And I have both my Extra and my General Radiotelephone licenses.

There's a fine line between "censorship" and demanding that our airwaves
not sound like a brothel on payday night. One can effectively express thier
views without resorting to the usual profane adjectives.

Why does Howard Stern and others of his ilk have to use profanity and
disrepute women in general for his "shows"...?!?!

In my not so humble opinion, it just goes to show that without profanity
or ribald reference to women, he's got absolutely nothing to offer....He AND
the other "shock jocks".

But the "shocking" part is that many of the people who are now demanding
his censure are the same liberal twits who thought this was "freedom of speech"
and that he was funny only 10 or 15 years ago.

It's not so funny now that THIER KIDS are coming home with a mouth full of
filth!

Steve, K4YZ

In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: T shirt for some of you non hams
From: Tony P.
Date: 4/7/2004 1:46 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article ,
says...
http://www.enemynation.com/ProductIm...ges/fcc300.gif

Some of us hams might be proud to wear a shirt like that. While I don't
disagree with Part 97 or the basic regulatory apparatus, I do disagree
with the blatant censorship being perpetrated by the FCC.

And I have both my Extra and my General Radiotelephone licenses.

There's a fine line between "censorship" and demanding that our airwaves
not sound like a brothel on payday night.

Do the numbers "3995" or "14313" mean anything to you?

One can effectively express thier
views without resorting to the usual profane adjectives.

Way to go, Rev. Robeson...or is that "Rev. Janus" with the two
faces?

Why does Howard Stern and others of his ilk have to use profanity and
disrepute women in general for his "shows"...?!?!

Stern is a radio amateur?

There's not supposed to be any broadcasting in amateur radio.

Ah, but you want to make this a CHAT ROOM, do you?

In my not so humble opinion, it just goes to show that without profanity
or ribald reference to women, he's got absolutely nothing to offer....He AND
the other "shock jocks".

Well, then, rise up and smite the infidels, cleanse the ethnic
white male dominance of amateur radio!

Make amateur radio SAFE for "your kind"...the ones that love
to call others filthy and profane names...but allow no others to
do anything horrible like that to YOU. :-)

But the "shocking" part is that many of the people who are now demanding
his censure are the same liberal twits who thought this was "freedom of
speech" and that he was funny only 10 or 15 years ago.

FCC proceeding 98-143, date 25 January 1999.

How quickly some forget. Tsk, tsk.

It's not so funny now that THIER KIDS are coming home with a mouth full
of filth!

Troi senses trouble in your home...

Have you tried family counseling for your kid?

Hypocrite.

Shalom, meshugge goyim...

LHA / WMD

"Steve Robeson K4CAP" wrote in message
...
Subject: T shirt for some of you non hams
snip
There's a fine line between "censorship" and demanding that our
airwaves
not sound like a brothel on payday night. One can effectively express
thier
views without resorting to the usual profane adjectives.

Why does Howard Stern and others of his ilk have to use profanity and
disrepute women in general for his "shows"...?!?!

In my not so humble opinion, it just goes to show that without
profanity
or ribald reference to women, he's got absolutely nothing to offer....He
AND
the other "shock jocks".

But the "shocking" part is that many of the people who are now
demanding
his censure are the same liberal twits who thought this was "freedom of
speech"
and that he was funny only 10 or 15 years ago.

It's not so funny now that THIER KIDS are coming home with a mouth
full of
filth!

Steve, K4YZ

Steve, we'll always have folks arguing for/against censorship. Free the air
waves! Yep. Did you see the article in the newspaper day before yesterday?
If you didn't, send me a note off group and I'll send you a photo of it as
it is still on my porch in the recycle bin. The article? Heheheheh ....

Essentially, it seems there are new interference problems. The police and
fire departments in some areas have been experiencing interference from -
get ready for this - CELL PHONES! Yep, the huge numbers of cell phones and
cell phone towers are beginning to make it difficult for the fire and police
to communicate. Many folks with HTs that have been in reasonably close
proximity to large communications centers (such as the 911 center about two
miles from my house) already know about intermod. Hey, weren't cell phones
supposed to be the new 'emergency' communications?

The sad thing is that the FCC is largely a shill for large business now. It
would't take a ton of effort for some kind of coordination to help avoid
this problem - but, hey, no regulation is better than regulation, right?

I hope your area isn't one of those they were talking about. Power to the
people! I can see it now. A release of gas, a minor quake - all the cell
phones light up and the police comms go down. Hey, why not eliminate the
FCC entirely? Just wait until BPL arrives


Best regards from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA



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The article? Heheheheh ....

Essentially, it seems there are new interference problems. The police and
fire departments in some areas have been experiencing interference from -
get ready for this - CELL PHONES!

Saw it here in the local rag too. The diagrams were particularly
uninformative. Showed
radio towers with a wave comming out. And the wave was divided up into
various
sections showing allocations. At first I thought "time division domain"
but realized that
it had to be "frequency dividion domain" for the allocations to make
sense.

Yep, the huge numbers of cell phones and
cell phone towers are beginning to make it difficult for the fire and police
to communicate. Many folks with HTs that have been in reasonably close
proximity to large communications centers (such as the 911 center about two
miles from my house) already know about intermod. Hey, weren't cell phones
supposed to be the new 'emergency' communications?

The sad thing is that the FCC is largely a shill for large business now. It
would't take a ton of effort for some kind of coordination to help avoid
this problem - but, hey, no regulation is better than regulation, right?

I hope your area isn't one of those they were talking about. Power to the
people! I can see it now. A release of gas, a minor quake - all the cell
phones light up and the police comms go down. Hey, why not eliminate the
FCC entirely?

They don't call it the "Funny Cookie Corporation" for nothing. :-)

On Wed, 07 Apr 2004 17:23:54 GMT, Jim Hampton wrote:

Essentially, it seems there are new interference problems. The police and
fire departments in some areas have been experiencing interference from -
get ready for this - CELL PHONES! Yep, the huge numbers of cell phones and
cell phone towers are beginning to make it difficult for the fire and police
to communicate. Many folks with HTs that have been in reasonably close
proximity to large communications centers (such as the 911 center about two
miles from my house) already know about intermod. Hey, weren't cell phones
supposed to be the new 'emergency' communications?

Let's get this straight. First off, it's not new. It'e been around
for over six years that I know of. The Comm Manager for Washington
County (where I live) was the one who found the cause of the
desensing and blew the whistle to APCO. Then other public safety
victims came out of the woodwork, including several clients of the
company that I consult for.

Secondly, it's not "cell phones". It's Nextel, a hybrid technology
system that emerged from Enhanced Specialized Mobile Repeaters
(ESMRs) which were legalized for-profit entities to sell local
repeater service to small or medium sized businesses on a multi-user
basis. The only relationship that it has to real cell-phones is
that it uses cellular digital technology and is used for "chatting"
rather than dispatching.

What happened was that when the 800 MHz band that was formerly TV
Channels 80-88 was reassigned, part of it went to the (common
carrier) cellphone service and the other part went to the land
mobile services with alternate channels assigned to Industrial and
to Public Safety licensees. The intent was for small businesses to
establish small networks based on high elevation repeater sites
carrying analog dispatch ("push-to-talk") communications, and the
Public Sefety folks to establish trunked local dispatch systems at
low-level sites.

Enter the Merger and Acquisitions Masters. Nextel, guided by a
maverick (who used to be at the FCC and screwed up his projects
there) started buying up those ESMRs and erecting high powered
cellular repeater sites at low elevations, most of which were close
enough to Public Safety trunked system sites to cause front-end
desensing from the full-time and full-channel digital voice systems
that they migrated to.

The sad thing is that the FCC is largely a shill for large business now. It
would't take a ton of effort for some kind of coordination to help avoid
this problem - but, hey, no regulation is better than regulation, right?

APCO and Nextel worked out a solution which would mean moving
licensees out of the interleaved pattern into homogenous blocks
(like in the "good old days"), and worked out a financing plan, and
it's now sitting at the Wireless Bureau "awaiting action" (a euphemism
for gathering dust).



--
73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane

From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon

On Fri, 09 Apr 2004 00:55:07 GMT, "Phil Kane"
wrote:

snip

Secondly, it's not "cell phones". It's Nextel, a hybrid technology
system that emerged from Enhanced Specialized Mobile Repeaters
(ESMRs) which were legalized for-profit entities to sell local
repeater service to small or medium sized businesses on a multi-user
basis. The only relationship that it has to real cell-phones is
that it uses cellular digital technology and is used for "chatting"
rather than dispatching.

Nextel uses Motorola's iDEN system for their network - a good
technical overview is available he

http://www.geocities.com/45peter/iden.html

snip

73, Leo

Steve Robeson K4CAP wrote:
Subject: T shirt for some of you non hams
From: Tony P.
Date: 4/7/2004 1:46 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article ,
says...

http://www.enemynation.com/ProductIm...ges/fcc300.gif

Some of us hams might be proud to wear a shirt like that. While I don't
disagree with Part 97 or the basic regulatory apparatus, I do disagree
with the blatant censorship being perpetrated by the FCC.

And I have both my Extra and my General Radiotelephone licenses.


There's a fine line between "censorship" and demanding that our airwaves
not sound like a brothel on payday night. One can effectively express thier
views without resorting to the usual profane adjectives.

Why does Howard Stern and others of his ilk have to use profanity and
disrepute women in general for his "shows"...?!?!

In my not so humble opinion, it just goes to show that without profanity
or ribald reference to women, he's got absolutely nothing to offer....He AND
the other "shock jocks".

But the "shocking" part is that many of the people who are now demanding
his censure are the same liberal twits who thought this was "freedom of speech"
and that he was funny only 10 or 15 years ago.

It's not so funny now that THIER KIDS are coming home with a mouth full of
filth!


The way that they can do it is because they are STUPID, Steve! They
seem to think that this will protect their kids and that they will grow
up drug free because their parents will talk to them, and they will
refrain from all sexual activity, remaining a virgin until the age of
thirty-five, after which they will marry and live a morally correct
life........... fuggitaboudit!

Kids will learn the language and the "bad stuff" anyhow, and the SFB's
that think the censorship will help don't realize that they just make it
"kewler"


But on the other hand, I want it cleaned up because its piggish and
awful manners and catering to the lowest common denominator.

- Mike KB3EIA -

"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
...
Steve Robeson K4CAP wrote:
The way that they can do it is because they are STUPID, Steve! They
seem to think that this will protect their kids and that they will grow
up drug free because their parents will talk to them, and they will
refrain from all sexual activity, remaining a virgin until the age of
thirty-five, after which they will marry and live a morally correct
life........... fuggitaboudit!

Kids will learn the language and the "bad stuff" anyhow, and the SFB's
that think the censorship will help don't realize that they just make it
"kewler"


But on the other hand, I want it cleaned up because its piggish and
awful manners and catering to the lowest common denominator.

- Mike KB3EIA -


Besides that it conveys no information and no humor. They are "zero
content" words that get in the way of the topic or joke or whatever.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE