RadioBanter - Who are the FISTS members on RRAP?

In article , (the
gunnery nurse presently off his medications again) writes:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
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(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message
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Please, not another threat to injure me.

[the above line is from Brian Burke using the "Billy Beeper" name
which the gunnery nurse forgot to include in quote lines...]

The gunnery nurse seems always to threaten people who disagree
with him. That's a LOT of threats.

The only "threat" is to those people who think that lying is an
acceptable means of "representing" Amateur Radio.

Quoting the official titles and military branches who control MARS
is not lying.

The Military Affiliate Radio System is...(SNIP)

...a lot older than the 1998 manual you cited.

I did not cite "manuals." I cited the current Department of Defense
DIRECTIVE as well as the three major military branch
REGULATIONS that define MARS within each others' branch.

MARS was "born" in 1925 as the AARS or Army Amateur Radio
System. That is thirty years older than you.

Thanks for the history lesson. You cut and paste well.

SOMEONE had to inform you since you were ignorant of the
beginnings of the Military Affiliate Radio System AND the pertinent
regulations of MARS.

It still does not change the fact that without licensed Amateur
Radio operators to man it, it would be defunct.

Incorrect. MARS functions - at its core - through military personnel
who man the headquarters such as Fort Huachuca, AZ, for the
Army and Scott AFB, IL, for the Air Force. Various military branch
net control stations around the country and the globe are manned
by military personnel who do NOT have to be licensed radio
amateurs.

Without the DoD DIRECTIVE, the Military Affiliate Radio System
would be defunct. It would no longer be military.

MARS seeks VOLUNTEERS for extensions of the MARS objective
and those come from amateur radio. Volunteers volunteer their
services but MUST abide by MARS regulations and operate for a
minimum amount of air time in any half-year period. In return, such
volunteers gain self-esteem plus a great deal of bragging rights to
fellow amateurs as if they "were somebody." Ho-hum.

Now you lie.

The gunnery nurse has distinct definitions of "lie" different
from other people. Those who disagree with him are "always
lying."

Nice try. It's still not true.

Poorly worded? Naw, Wrongly Worded!

It's just wrong.

The gunnery nurse will never concede any mistake he made.
He has his own definitions and commands all to obey those
unique definitions.

Back up Putzy.

Who are you talking to? Do you call all who disagree with you
by Yiddish colloquialisms meaning "asshole" in English?

There many in this forum who can attest to my having offered an "I
stand corrected" on several occasions.

Those exist but they are BURIED under a torrent of verbal abuse
and denigrations you heap in hate of all those who disagree with
you. Google has it ALL.

On the OTHER hand, we have caught you in NUMEROUS errors or
blatant misrepresentations of the facts, and YOU have NEVER
apologized, offered a correction, or otherwise admitted your errors,
even when they were corroborated as errors by several respondents.

Incorrect again.

But, your newsgroup technique is noted. When confronted by a
challenge of misbehavior, you turn around and try the "mirror ploy"
of changing the subject of the accuser of the same "crime."

You have repeatedly tried to accuse Brian Burke of "not citing" any
military regulations pertaining to the Military Affiliate Radio System
for three weeks, yet were UNABLE to come up with any military
regulations or directives as any cite. Those were very easy to get
via a simple Internet search.

You can't "prove me wrong" on what I quoted about MARS since
all I had to do was to contact the appropriate directive and
regulations origins and repeat them. You were unable to do this.

There MIGHT be some DoD or military branch revisions that were
done since 1998 (six years ago) on MARS. If so, I will stand
corrected on proof of validity of such later revisions and being
presented with a publicly-accessible reference source for same.

However, YOU presented NOTHING in the way of MARS cites or
regulations that govern the existance of MARS. You had three
weeks to do that in and FAILED. You were attempting to "win
message points" by just bluster and bluff. That may work in the
USMC on lower ranks but it doesn't work in civilian society.

MARS has never been an important part of military
communications, never a part of either tactical or
strategic planning. At best it is an extension of
Special Services (in the Army old term) for entertainment
and morale boosting of service personnel. However, the
affiliation with the military has terribly important
self-image boost points for individual amateurs who want
to enoble themselves into thinking they are "part of the
grand scheme to 'serve their country'."

"I am only here to civilly debate the Morse Code test issue"....

The Military Affiliate Radio System does NOT employ any on-off
carrier keying communications modes such as "morse code."
:-)

You are trying to misdirect again by the "mirror ploy." That doesn't
work but you can't seem to understand that after six years of trying
to use it. You FAILED to come up with any cites of DoD Directives
of military branch Regulations after three weeks, and now you think
you can misdirect by more bluff and bluster? :-)

Remember who said THAT Lennie?

Who is "Lennie?" A character out of a Steinbeck novel? :-)

[if so, the name is spelled wrong...]

I am TRYING to concentrate on the manual telegraphy testing issue
but am engulfed in a sea of hatred from the pro-telegraphy proponents
who engage in uncivil behavior against those against the test.

However, YOU told a number of LIES in describing the Military
Affiliate Radio System and YOU are held accountable for those LIES.

You really have your moments of lowness and sliminess, but this
one was pretty well in the running with the lowest.

Tsk, tsk, tsk. Nasty name-calling does not befit the rank, status,
and privileges of amateur extra. Not even amateur human being.

Telling the TRUTH about the Military Affiliate Radio System is NOT
any form of "lying."

Challenging YOU on your inability to find appropriate cites for the
creation and continued existance of the Military Affiliate Radio
System is NOT any form of "lying." It may make you livid and
outraged, but that is so much TS for you. [send me your TS card
and I'll punch it for you]

In as much as YOUR rear-area radio clerk duties were probably of
even less importance in :the grand scheme" of the Armed Forces, I
imagine it eats at you that MARS members do more for free than you
EVER did while on Uncle Sam's payroll.

Tsk, tsk, tsk. Livid and Outraged is an appropriate description of the
gunnery nurse.

1. I was NEVER a "radio clerk" in any capacity, not even in a Radio
Shack store. :-)

2. I was an MOS 281.6, microwave radio relay operations and
maintenance SUPERVISOR as well as a fixed-station HF radio
transmitter operations and maintenance SUPERVISOR.

3. I was assigned to the third-largest HF radio communications
facility in the entirety of the Army Command Administrative
Network for three years. The work I did during assignment
resulted in promotion as well as increase in responsibility.

4. Nothing "eats at me" for any reason of the existance of the
no-longer-primary HF radio communications networks of the
past, present, or future. I did my duties well, was rewarded
both professionally and personally (for liking what I did), and
that resulted in a personal change of future career directions
after completing military service.

5. Since the end of my military service obligations, I have worked
IN radio communications of civilian, military, and commercial
services, from VLF on up through about 25 GHz. While I've
never worked ON the DSN, any part of it, I have used it for
communications. [do you know what "DSN" is?]

Well, Your Scumminess...why don't you go right ahead and apply
for membership and a station authorization in N/MC MARS...?!?!

I'd love to see the result.

Why? I have NO desire to become a part of MARS. I was simply
injecting some official Directives and Regulations which you were
unable to supply in support of your little tantrum against Brian
Burke.

I'd love to see you return to regular medications to control your
emotional outbursts of hatred and outrage against those who
disagree with you. I don't expect to see that happen, but it would
be nice for all concerned.

Actually, there's been NO third-party proof that gunnery
nurse was ever in the USMC. All we have to go on is his
"word" and his "I've got the proof in my wallet" sort of
statements.

Contact the VA, Lennie.

You've got my full name, branch of service, and my date of birth
is 18 Sept 1955. You'll excuse me if I don't offer you my SSAN, too.

We don't believe you.

I don't have any such data that you describe. All anyone has is
"your word." So far all anyone has is a lot of bluff and bluster,
NO referenced documents and NO references from others who
supposedly "know you."

Of course that's been offered to you before and like most REAL
facts, you never follow-up on it.

That would be because you're a coward.

What "REAL facts?" NARA (National Archives and Records
Administration) in St. Louis has all the archived militrary service
records. It isn't worth 37 cents stamp and trouble of posting to
obtain your supposed "military record."

But, you are trying to misdirect again, trying to shift focus on
some supposed flaw of my character...and all I did was quote the
official Directive and branch Regulations of MARS. :-)

It wasn't "cowardice" to do a simple search and find all that
information. Took only a half hour at no cost. YOU failed to do
a simple thing like that in three weeks time in your tantrum
against Brian Burke. Tsk, tsk, tsk.

We have yet to see a "paper trail wide enough to roller skate
on to show where [gunnery nurse'] assertions are true."

You've been offered access to the VA to verify it before, Lennie.

The Veterans Administration can't "verify" your service record.

NARA can. Try to understand your government.

Not "someone", Lennie...You. Because you are a liar.

Always have been...always will. What a loser.

Tsk, tsk, tsk. Still off the meds. A supposed "medical professional"
who can't get medical help. :-)

Temper fry...

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