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"Dee" == Dee D Flint writes:

Jack Hmm. Any chance you could provide some citations for these
Jack "gentleman's agreements"? I do not doubt their existence, I'd
Jack just like to find some online pointers to them. Recently I had
Jack to ask around where to find some RTTY so I could test my setup
Jack -- if I'd known about these agreements, I'd have a better chance
Jack of finding it on my own. Also, I'd like to avoid accidentally
Jack operating on a portion of the band which is traditionally for a
Jack different type of mode -- I'm more likely to get a response from
Jack a CW CQ if I'm not calling on the RTTY portion, etc.

Dee www.arrl.org - The website has a page listing the basics The ARRL
Dee Operating Manual Various ARRL publications on data modes and slow
Dee scan TV For VHF/UHF, the ARRL repeater directory

I was more interested in URLs to specific agreements. I've cruised
through the website from time to time but I hadn't happened to see
them. I lost my repeater directory in a car accident (how bizarre)
otherwise I'd check the front of that. I'm more interested in HF, of
course, so if you could point me to specific agreements, I'd be
dearly appreciative. Stuff like "weak signal work is done here,
beacons are done there, blah blah blah" are exactly what I'd like to
keep posted in my shack, and this kind of information should be
consolidated in a single source online.

Dee Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


I already referenced the web site of the ARRL. All you have to do is enter
the words "band plan" in the box to search the site. Then scroll down until
you see the listing for band plans. I will NOT do this for you. The type
of information you seek is contained on the web page.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

On Wed, 26 May 2004 21:59:05 -0500, "Kim W5TIT"
wrote:

Wahoo! It's been a long, long time! But, I'll be checking back in now and
then...

Kim W5TIT

Welcome back. I recently rejoined the group here myself, after a
hiatus of several months due to getting fed up with trying to
participate using open servers.

Having just switched to a new ISP that has proper NNTP access, I've
been lurking for a few weeks, amusing myself by reading the running
battle between two of the regulars (you'll no doubt discover that
thread soon enough)...have noticed several of the regulars that I can
remember through the years seem to have vanished. In the case of one
or two of those, you'll probably find that a good thing.

73 DE John D. Kasupski
Tonawanda, New York, USA
Amateur Radio (KC2HMZ), HF/VHF/UHF Monitoring (KNY2VS)
Member ARATS, ARES, RACES, WUN

On 27 May 2004 07:11:52 -0700, (William) wrote:

Kim, Larry's been gone since you left.

Poor guy...probably heartbroken.

73 DE John D. Kasupski
Tonawanda, New York, USA
Amateur Radio (KC2HMZ), HF/VHF/UHF Monitoring (KNY2VS)
Member ARATS, ARES, RACES, WUN

You came back - to news group like this (:-(

Famous quote from Eli Wallach in the Magnificent Seven, The (1960)

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Keyboard In The Noise

Opinions are the cheapest commodities in the world. Author unknown but
"right on"
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"Kim W5TIT" wrote in message
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Wahoo! It's been a long, long time! But, I'll be checking back in now
and
then...

Kim W5TIT

"Kim W5TIT" wrote in message
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Wahoo! It's been a long, long time! But, I'll be checking back in now
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then...

Kim W5TIT


Hi Kim ....ya ain't missed a thing ......if fact I am sure your time was
put to better use ...

God Bless .... KI3R Tom

"Kim W5TIT" wrote in message
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Kim W5TIT



Who cares wanna bee hippie.

Dan/W4NTI

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"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
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If Pro CW Testing Amateurs a

Feet firmly planted in the past folks and elitist snobs......



Why wouldn't they WANT the Morse code testing eliminated so that they
could get on the air and only associate with like minded individuals?


Removing the test would be the ultimate filter.

- Mike KB3EIA -


Because we can do that right now Mike. I don't consider it being
elitist to
want to continue with a known effective mode. Those that want to get
rid of
it are world class fools.

Dan/W4NTI

DAN, Dan, dan, it is the -EXAM- that we are getting rid of. If we got
rid of the psk practical exam, would you think we are trying to get
rid of the mode?

There is no psk practical exam.

Well, whaddayaknow? You finally got it.

Since there is no psk practical exam, how can there be psk???

If the Morse Code exam goes away, how can there be CW???

The ONLY PRACTICAL exam we have in ham
radio is the CW TEST.

But it's become imPRACTICAL to continue to exclude people based upon a
Morse Code exam.

Most of the rest is mainly BS memorization, that for
the most part is not even relevant to real world ham radio.

Which is exactly how you got into amateur radio. So now what???

If I said it once, I've said it a thousand times.

"What I fear most about the restructuring is a lack of enforcement,
and what I fear most about maintaining the status quo is a lack of
restructuring."

Most people are basically good. Some aren't. People like Riley are
necessary.

You need to reconcile the hatred you have for your fellow ham.

On Thu, 27 May 2004 13:03:51 -0400, "Dee D. Flint"
wrote:

I already referenced the web site of the ARRL. All you have to do is enter
the words "band plan" in the box to search the site. Then scroll down until
you see the listing for band plans. I will NOT do this for you.

OK...then I will:

AMATEUR FREQUENCY OPERATION RECOMMENDATIONS (ARRL Band Plans)
Reprinted from "The Considerate Operator's Frequency Guide",
January 1993 QST, page 61 and the ARRL Repeater Directory.
Copyright 1993 by the American Radio Relay League, Inc.
All rights reserved.

This information is for quick reference only - refer to the
band plan listings in the Operators Manual, The FCC Rule Book
or the ARRL Repeater Directory for full details. For sharing
arrangements, see Section 97.303 of the FCC Rules. For
detailed packet frequencies, see QST, September 1987, page 54
and March 1988, page 51.

160 METERS (1.8-2.0 MHz):
1.800-1.830 CW, RTTY and other narrowband modes
1.830-1.840 CW, RTTY and other narrowband modes,
Intercontinental QSOs only
1.840-1.850 CW, SSB, SSTV, other wideband modes,
Intercontinental QSOs only
1.850-2.000 CW, phone, SSTV and other wideband modes

80 METERS (3.5-4.0 MHz): 40 METERS (7.0-7.3 MHz):
3.590 RTTY DX 7.040 RTTY DX
3.580-3.620 RTTY 7.080-7.100 RTTY
3.620-3.635 Packet 7.171 SSTV
3.790-3.800 DX window 7.290 AM
3.845 SSTV
3.885 AM calling frequency

30 METERS (10.1-10.15 MHz): 17 METERS (18.068-18.168 MHz):
10.130-10.140 RTTY 18.100-18.105 RTTY
10.140-10.150 Packet 18.105-18.110 Packet

20 METERS (14.0-14.35 MHz): 15 METERS (21.0-21.45 MHz):
14.070-14.095 RTTY 21.070-21.090 RTTY
14.095-14.0995 Packet 21.090-21.100 Packet
14.100 NCDXF Beacons 21.340 SSTV
14.1005-14.112 Packet
14.230 SSTV 12 METERS (24.89-24.99 MHz):
14.286 AM calling frequency 24.920-24.925 RTTY
24.925-24.930 Packet

10 METERS (28-29.7 MHz):
28.000-28.070 CW
28.070-28.150 RTTY
28.150-28.190 CW
28.190-28.200 New Beacon subband *
28.200-28.300 Old Beacon subband *
28.300-29.300 Phone
28.680 SSTV
29.000-29.200 AM
29.300-29.510 Satellite Downlinks
29.510-29.590 Repeater Inputs
29.600 FM Simplex
29.610-29.700 Repeater Outputs
* Note: The FCC states in 97.203(d) that automatically controlled
beacons may only operate on 28.20-28.30 MHz.

6 METERS (50-54 MHz):
50.0-50.1 CW, beacons
50.060-50.080 beacon subband
50.1-50.3 SSB, CW
50.10-50.125 DX window
50.125 SSB calling
50.3-50.6 All modes
50.6-50.8 Nonvoice communications
50.62 Digital (packet) calling
50.8-51.0 Radio remote control (20-kHz channels)
51.0-51.1 Pacific DX window
51.12-51.48 Repeater inputs (19 channels)
51.12-51.18 Digital repeater inputs
51.62-51.98 Repeater outputs (19 channels)
51.62-51.68 Digital repeater outputs
52.0-52.48 Repeater inputs (except as noted; 23 channels)
52.02, 52.04 FM simplex
52.2 TEST PAIR (input)
52.5-52.98 Repeater output (except as noted; 23 channels)
52.525 Primary FM simplex
52.54 Secondary FM simplex
52.7 TEST PAIR (output)
53.0-53.48 Repeater inputs (except as noted; 19 channels)
53.0 Remote base FM simplex
53.02 Simplex
53.1, 53.2, Radio remote control
53.3, 53.4
53.5-53.98 Repeater outputs (except as noted; 19 channels)
53.5, 53.6, Radio remote control
53.7, 53.8
53.52-53.9 Simplex
Note: The 6-meter band plan was adopted by the ARRL Board of
Directors at the July 1991 meeting. The band plan is
currently being studied by the ARRL Ad Hoc Spectrum
Management Committee.

2 METERS (144-148 MHz):
144.00-144.05 EME (CW)
144.05-144.10 General CW and weak signals
144.10-144.20 EME and weak-signal SSB
144.200 National calling frequency
144.200-144.275 General SSB operation
144.275-144.300 Propagation beacons
144.30-144.50 New OSCAR subband
144.50-144.60 Linear translator inputs
144.60-144.90 FM repeater inputs
144.90-145.10 Weak signal and FM simplex
(145.01,03,05,07,09 are widely used for packet)
145.10-145.20 Linear translator ouputs
145.20-145.50 FM repeater outputs
145.50-145.80 Miscellaneous and experimental modes
145.80-146.00 OSCAR subband
146.01-147.37 Repeater inputs
146.40-146.58 Simplex
146.61-146.97 Repeater outputs
147.00-147.39 Repeater outputs
147.42-147.57 Simplex
147.60-147.99 Repeater inputs
Notes: The frequency 146.40 MHz is used in some areas as a repeater
input. This band plan has been proposed by the ARRL VHF-UHF
Advisory Committee.

1.25 METERS (222-225 MHz):
222.0-222.150 Weak-signal modes
222.0-222.025 EME
222.05-222.06 Propagation beacons
222.1 SSB & CW calling frequency
222.10-222.15 Weak-signal CW & SSB
222.15-222.25 Local coordinator's option; weak
signal, ACSB, repeater inputs, control
222.25-223.38 FM repeater inputs only
222.40-223.52 FM simplex
223.52-223.64 Digital, packet
223.64-223.70 Links, control
223.71-223.85 Local coordinator's option; FM simplex,
packet, repeater outputs
223.85-224.98 Repeater outputa only
Note: The 222 MHz band plan was adopted by the ARRL Board of
Directors in July 1991.

70 CENTIMETERS (420-450 MHz):
420.00-426.00 ATV repeater or simplex with 421.25 MHz video
carrier control links and experimental
426.00-432.00 ATV simplex with 427.250-MHz video carrier frequency
432.00-432.07 EME (Earth-Moon-Earth)
432.07-432.10 Weak-signal CW
432.10 70-cm calling frequency
432.10-432.30 Mixed-mode and weak-signal work
432.30-432.40 Propagation beacons
432.40-433.00 Mixed-mode and weak-signal work
433.00-435.00 Auxiliary/repeater links
435.00-438.00 Satellite only (internationally)
438.00-444.00 ATV repeater input with 439.250-MHz video carrier
frequency and repeater links
442.00-445.00 Repeater inputs and outputs (local option)
445.00-447.00 Shared by auxiliary and control links, repeaters
and simplex (local option)
446.00 National simplex frequency
447.00-450.00 Repeater inputs and outputs (local option)
Note: The 440 MHz band plan is under review by the ARRL VHF-UHF
Advisory Committee

33 CENTIMETERS (902-928 MHz):
902.0-903.0 Narrow-bandwidth, weak-signal communications
902.0-902.8 SSTV, FAX, ACSSB, experimental
902.1 Weak-signal calling frequency
902.8-903.0 Reserved for EME, CW expansion
903.1 Alternate calling frequency
903.0-906.0 Digital communications
906-909 FM repeater outputs
909-915 ATV
915-918 Digital communications
918-921 FM repeater inputs
921-927 ATV
927-928 FM simplex and links
Note: The 902 MHz band plan was adopted by the ARRL Board of
Directors in July 1989

23 CENTIMETERS (1240-1300 MHz):
1240-1246 ATV #1
1246-1248 Narrow-bandwidth FM point-to-point links and
digital, duplex with 1258-1260.
1248-1258 Digital Communications
1252-1258 ATV #2
1258-1260 Narrow-bandwidth FM point-to-point links and
digital, duplexed with 1246-1252
1260-1270 Satellite uplinks, reference WARC '79
1260-1270 Wide-bandwidth experimental, simplex ATV
1270-1276 Repeater inputs, FM and linear, paired with 1282-1288,
239 pairs every 25 kHz, eg 1270.025, .050, etc.
1271-1283 Non-coordinated test pair
1276-1282 ATV #3
1282-1288 Repeater outputs, paired with 1270-1276
1288-1294 Wide-bandwidth experimental, simplex ATV
1294-1295 Narrow-bandwidth FM simplex services, 25-kHz channels
1294.5 National FM simplex calling frequency
1295-1297 Narrow bandwidth weak-signal communications (no FM)
1295.0-1295.8 SSTV, FAX, ACSSB, experimental
1295.8-1296.0 Reserved for EME, CW expansion
1296.00-1296.05 EME-exclusive
1296.07-1296.08 CW beacons
1296.1 CW, SSB calling frequency
1296.4-1296.6 Crossband linear translator input
1296.6-1296.8 Crossband linear translator output
1296.8-1297.0 Experimental beacons (exclusive)
1297-1300 Digital Communications

2300-2310 and 2390-2450 MHz:
2300.0-2303.0 High-rate data
2303.0-2303.5 Packet
2303.5-2303.8 TTY packet
2303.9-2303.9 Packet, TTY, CW, EME
2303.9-2304.1 CW, EME
2304.1 Calling frequency
2304.1-2304.2 CW, EME, SSB
2304.2-2304.3 SSB, SSTV, FAX, Packet AM, Amtor
2304.30-2304.32 Propagation beacon network
2304.32-2304.40 General propagation beacons
2304.4-2304.5 SSB, SSTV, ACSSB, FAX, Packet AM,
Amtor experimental
2304.5-2304.7 Crossband linear translator input
2304.7-2304.9 Crossband linear translator output
2304.9-2305.0 Experimental beacons
2305.0-2305.2 FM simplex (25 kHz spacing)
2305.20 FM simplex calling frequency
2305.2-2306.0 FM simplex (25 kHz spacing)
2306.0-2309.0 FM Repeaters (25 kHz) input
2309.0-2310.0 Control and auxiliary links
2390.0-2396.0 Fast-scan TV
2396.0-2399.0 High-rate data
2399.0-2399.5 Packet
2399.5-2400.0 Control and auxiliary links
2400.0-2403.0 Satellite
2403.0-2408.0 Satellite high-rate data
2408.0-2410.0 Satellite
2410.0-2413.0 FM repeaters (25 kHz) output
2413.0-2418.0 High-rate data
2418.0-2430.0 Fast-scan TV
2430.0-2433.0 Satellite
2433.0-2438.0 Satellite high-rate data
2438.0-2450.0 WB FM, FSTV, FMTV, SS experimental
Note: The 2300 MHz band plan was adopted by the ARRL Board of
Directors in January 1991
Note: The following band plans were adopted by the ARRL Board
of Directors in July 1988

3300-3500 MHz:
3456.3-3456.4 Propagation beacons

5650-5925 MHz:
5760.3-5760.4 Propagation beacons

10.00-10.50 GHz:
10.368 Narrow band calling frequency
10.3683-10.3684 Propagation beacons
10.3640 Calling frequency

All modes and licensees (except Novices) are authorized on
the following bands:
24.0-24.25 GHz 165.0-170.0
48.0-50.0 240.0-250.0
71.0-76.0 All above 300

The ARRL members and HQ staff would like to thank the following people
for their contributions to this information file:
K1CE WB8IMY NU0X

Send any additional information or changes to .
73 from ARRL HQ.

73 DE John D. Kasupski, KC2HMZ
Tonawanda, New York, USA
ARRL Western New York PIO

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Thank you for the useful information.

Out of curiosity, do you know how these agreements came about, and who
agreed to what? Is this something the ARRL just announced one day, or
did these band plans arise out of years of usage clustering, or what?
I figure you might know, considering your position in the organization,
or at least you'd be able to find out. :-)

Thanks again.

Jack.
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Jack Twilley
jmt at twilley dot org
http colon slash slash www dot twilley dot org slash tilde jmt slash
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On Wed, 26 May 2004 21:59:05 -0500, "Kim W5TIT"
wrote:


Wahoo! It's been a long, long time! But, I'll be checking back in now and
then...


Hello again, Kim. Hope you're all settled in in the new house and all
is well.

- Mike KB3EIA -