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Will be running KC8PMX on 50Mhz-450Mhz bands. Decided to run on my own as a
matter of passive resistance to the local club's field day planner. Field day is supposed to be an emergency preparedness scenario, and there is nothing close to that from what I see of the plans locally here. Not sure which classification I will be running yet, but will be using 3 transmitters, on battery power, occasionally charged by a vehicle's electrical system, but the batteries won't be located in the vehicle. And I will be operating from our fire department's parking lot of which I am a member of. Now, would I be a B, C, or F station, and also, does the number mean persons or transmitters?? I am thinking if it means number of transmitters, I might be a 3B, 3C, or 3F possibly..... If it means persons, then I might be a 1B, 1C, or 1F station..... Any suggestions? A little confused with the field day rules. Ryan KC8PMX "Radio Amateur KC2HMZ" wrote in message news ![]() Field Day is next weekend. Anybody in the group here have plans? I'll be on the air with the Amateur Radio Association of the Tonawandas as one of the W2SEX ops. We'll be running four stations (CW, HF Phone, HF Digital, and VHF/UHF) plus doing SSTV, ATV, and APRS demo modes, and we may also satellite contacts through SaudiSat I if it makes a pass at a good time and we fall into its footprint. Here's hoping we get to work some of you or your clubs' stations over the weekend. 73 and good luck during Field Day. Needless to say, I'll be absent from the NG over the weekend. 73 DE John D. Kasupski Tonawanda, New York, USA Amateur Radio (KC2HMZ), HF/VHF/UHF Monitoring (KNY2VS) Member ARATS, ARES, RACES, WUN |
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Subject: Field Day Plans?
From: "Ryan, KC8PMX" Date: 6/24/2004 11:20 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: Will be running KC8PMX on 50Mhz-450Mhz bands. I was thinking a shorter call would help, but I ran those phonetics thru my mind a couple times, and "PAPA MIKE X-RAY" seems to me to be rather prominent. Decided to run on my own as a matter of passive resistance to the local club's field day planner. Field day is supposed to be an emergency preparedness scenario, and there is nothing close to that from what I see of the plans locally here. How's that, Ryan...??? Too much of the picnic-in-the-park thing? Not sure which classification I will be running yet, but will be using 3 transmitters, on battery power, occasionally charged by a vehicle's electrical system, but the batteries won't be located in the vehicle. And I will be operating from our fire department's parking lot of which I am a member of. I had hoped to not be working this weekend, however I'm stuck. Quite a few years ago I had built a small wind generator and had it on the roof of the barracks I was in. It charged two marine (no pun intended) deep cycle trolling motor batteries and those in turn ran my ICOM IC-730. I ran it at 35-50 watts CW and I ran out beofre the batteries did! I've been wanting to build another, and perhaps I will before next Field Day. 73 Steve, K4YZ |
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![]() "Steve Robeson K4CAP" wrote in message ... Subject: Field Day Plans? From: "Ryan, KC8PMX" Date: 6/24/2004 11:20 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: Will be running KC8PMX on 50Mhz-450Mhz bands. I was thinking a shorter call would help, but I ran those phonetics thru my mind a couple times, and "PAPA MIKE X-RAY" seems to me to be rather prominent. It's not too bad, although I wished I would have gotten a different call when originally assigned. I might purposefully go for the vanity call of K8KEA, just to be a pain in the ass because our club call is W8KEA. hi hi Decided to run on my own as a matter of passive resistance to the local club's field day planner. Field day is supposed to be an emergency preparedness scenario, and there is nothing close to that from what I see of the plans locally here. How's that, Ryan...??? Too much of the picnic-in-the-park thing? No, just a kind of passive resistance thing. I seriously do not agree with the person who is our field day planner and club vicepresident. I am not the only one boycotting the club field day either.... It has been chosen solely by him to be placed at one of the high schools out in the county (as opposed to the city) where there is little traffic on the weekends (passing by the school that is). Field Day should be at least 50% PROMOTIONAL as well as 50% emergency simulation. Since it is not an actual emergency simulation since we all clearly know when it is going to be, AND of course get to chose where we set up, just how does that qualify as emergency planning/communications. Yes there is the PREPLANNING but on our fire department we dont get to know when our next medical call or car accident or house fire is, we just respond and deal with it as best as we can. In a real emergency, we may be required to set up in an area less that to be desired, such as a parking lot. Or an open field without those natural antenna supports..... Also, we would not normally know when that emergency would occur....... Maybe, at least if it was changed to where we DO know the weekend it is gonna be, BUT each countie's EC/RO or emergency services director decides the location??? I still believe that the PR value of Field Day far outwieghs any other aspect of field day. Not sure which classification I will be running yet, but will be using 3 transmitters, on battery power, occasionally charged by a vehicle's electrical system, but the batteries won't be located in the vehicle. And I will be operating from our fire department's parking lot of which I am a member of. I had hoped to not be working this weekend, however I'm stuck. I can relate.... have had to work weekends in the past too on that same weekend. Quite a few years ago I had built a small wind generator and had it on the roof of the barracks I was in. It charged two marine (no pun intended) deep cycle trolling motor batteries and those in turn ran my ICOM IC-730. I ran it at 35-50 watts CW and I ran out beofre the batteries did! I've been wanting to build another, and perhaps I will before next Field Day. 73 Steve, K4YZ I have been contemplating some type of solar charging system, but will be looking into various costs of doing so. Since my operation will be operating at a park picnic table, with my car near by, solar panels small enough to transport but large enough to provide adequate surface charging/and usage for daytime, so that when the evening comes, I can start will full batteries would be nice. Well, I have a whole year now to work on that! ![]() Ryan KC8PMX |
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![]() Ryan, KC8PMX wrote: "Steve Robeson K4CAP" wrote in message ... Subject: Field Day Plans? From: "Ryan, KC8PMX" Date: 6/24/2004 11:20 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: Will be running KC8PMX on 50Mhz-450Mhz bands. I was thinking a shorter call would help, but I ran those phonetics thru my mind a couple times, and "PAPA MIKE X-RAY" seems to me to be rather prominent. It's not too bad, although I wished I would have gotten a different call when originally assigned. I might purposefully go for the vanity call of K8KEA, just to be a pain in the ass because our club call is W8KEA. hi hi Decided to run on my own as a matter of passive resistance to the local club's field day planner. Field day is supposed to be an emergency preparedness scenario, and there is nothing close to that from what I see of the plans locally here. How's that, Ryan...??? Too much of the picnic-in-the-park thing? No, just a kind of passive resistance thing. I seriously do not agree with the person who is our field day planner and club vicepresident. I am not the only one boycotting the club field day either.... It has been chosen solely by him to be placed at one of the high schools out in the county (as opposed to the city) where there is little traffic on the weekends (passing by the school that is). That you disagree is one thing. No problem there. But field day is for your club, and it seems that there is an "if things aren't done my way, I'm not going to play. Not too teamlike. And if you all seriously want to do it differently, vote the dude out! Of course, will someone step up to the plate and run field day in his absence? Is there a clamor and a rush of people wanting to be FD Chairman? Field Day should be at least 50% PROMOTIONAL as well as 50% emergency simulation. Since it is not an actual emergency simulation since we all clearly know when it is going to be, AND of course get to chose where we set up, just how does that qualify as emergency planning/communications. Yes there is the PREPLANNING but on our fire department we dont get to know when our next medical call or car accident or house fire is, we just respond and deal with it as best as we can. In a real emergency, we may be required to set up in an area less that to be desired, such as a parking lot. Or an open field without those natural antenna supports..... Also, we would not normally know when that emergency would occur....... Sure. You may need to be operating while ill from something or be putting your life at serious risk at the time. You may be up for several days without sleep. You may be injured. Heck, even the person you are trying to communicate with may only have a CW rig. So you can't even begin to simulate truly accurate emergency condx. Under most real emergency circumstances, some emergency personell is going to tell you to go to a certain place, and operate a certain transciever. You won't set up a tent or put together a station or anything. The purpose of FD is to in large prt get peopl simply *thinking* about emergency ops, and *doing* some simulated ops. Dunno where tha hyper accurate emergency scenario that I hear about came from. Maybe, at least if it was changed to where we DO know the weekend it is gonna be, BUT each countie's EC/RO or emergency services director decides the location??? I still believe that the PR value of Field Day far outwieghs any other aspect of field day. Best way to control where the site is is to become an EC. The you can do as YOUR philosophical desires dictate. Are you willing to do that? Related item. I was in a club years ago where I was in charge of our biggest fund raiser. Some of the club members didn't like how I was doing things (specifically, my methods required some work) But we made a LOT of money for a small club. So they led a revolt against me, supported by the club prez of refusing to help me or work for me. My only option that didn't make me look like an idiot was to resign from my position and chairmanship and the club. I was ironically the Vice president. The result? Remember how they thought that my working demands were too much? I wanted 4 hours of work per year per club member. Well, no one wanted to work even after they got ride of the ******* - me, so they ended up hiring three people to do my job (keeping in mind, I did it for nuttin'), subbed out the most lucrative part of the job, and now make absolutely no money on a fund raiser that was bringing in a lot of money every year. They are actually in money trouble now. Smart people weren't they? Point is, be good to the volunteers, and if you don't like what they are doing, do better. - Mike KB3EIA - |
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In article , Mike Coslo
writes: No, just a kind of passive resistance thing. I seriously do not agree with the person who is our field day planner and club vicepresident. I am not the only one boycotting the club field day either.... It has been chosen solely by him to be placed at one of the high schools out in the county (as opposed to the city) where there is little traffic on the weekends (passing by the school that is). That you disagree is one thing. No problem there. But field day is for your club, and it seems that there is an "if things aren't done my way, I'm not going to play. Not too teamlike. Comes down to "do you plan FD for what will bring out the most people, or what will make the most points, or what will be the most realistic emergency simulation. or what will get the most publicity?" Or any of a bunch of other goals. And if you all seriously want to do it differently, vote the dude out! Of course, will someone step up to the plate and run field day in his absence? Is there a clamor and a rush of people wanting to be FD Chairman? Classic "bell the cat" problem. Field Day should be at least 50% PROMOTIONAL as well as 50% emergency simulation. That's your vision of it, Ryan. Others see FD very differently. The good thing is that FD has many facets and can be done many ways. That's why it's so popular - brings out more hams than any other domestic operating activity. The bad thing is that FD has many facets and can be done many ways. That's why it can be such a source of disagreement. Since it is not an actual emergency simulation since we all clearly know when it is going to be, AND of course get to chose where we set up, just how does that qualify as emergency planning/communications. It's fundamentally a skills and planning exercise. It's one thing to talk about setting up a station quickly in an unprepared location, and another thing to actually *do* it. Operating skills get practiced. Teamwork and learning to deal with volunteers, both as a leader and as a team member. Yes there is the PREPLANNING but on our fire department we dont get to know when our next medical call or car accident or house fire is, we just respond and deal with it as best as we can. But you guys have training sessions, right? In a real emergency, we may be required to set up in an area less that to be desired, such as a parking lot. Or an open field without those natural antenna supports..... Also, we would not normally know when that emergency would occur....... Sure. You may need to be operating while ill from something or be putting your life at serious risk at the time. You may be up for several days without sleep. You may be injured. Heck, even the person you are trying to communicate with may only have a CW rig. So you can't even begin to simulate truly accurate emergency condx. You can't simulate all of them by any means, but FD simulates some of them. Under most real emergency circumstances, some emergency personell is going to tell you to go to a certain place, and operate a certain transciever. You won't set up a tent or put together a station or anything. Maybe. Or it might go the other way - you may be asked to go to a certain location and bring everything you need along. The purpose of FD is to in large prt get peopl simply *thinking* about emergency ops, and *doing* some simulated ops. Bingo! Dunno where tha hyper accurate emergency scenario that I hear about came from. Maybe, at least if it was changed to where we DO know the weekend it is gonna be, BUT each countie's EC/RO or emergency services director decides the location??? I still believe that the PR value of Field Day far outwieghs any other aspect of field day. The trick is to balance all the different aspects. Here's a scenario for ya: Months in advance, everyone who wants to participate is required to fill out a form listing what equipment, time, and skills they can volunteer for FD. Everyone is responsible for keeping their FD forms updated of changes (equipment /schedule changes, license upgrades, etc.) The forms are collected and the FD committee of no more than 3 people puts together a Field Day master plan. 48-72 hours before FD, everyone who is signed up gets their "sealed orders" which detail where they are to go, what they are expected to bring with them and what they are expected to do for FD. It could be as simple as "show up at X on or before time T and operate station S" or as complex as "head the team running station S, bring a this list of equipment..." Included could be things bringing like foul-weather gear even though the forecast is perfect. You don't have to wear it but you have to have it with you. Could also simulate equipment breakdowns and unavailability - although that sort of thing often happens anyway. Except for the FD committee, nobody knows what they're going to be doing until shortly before FD. To more realistically simulate, some very good resources (rigs, antennas, generators, etc.) might be left completely unused while less than perfect substitutes are pressed into service. You'd probably love a Field Day like that, Ryan. Would be a great learning experience for all. But I can guarantee you that more than half (probably more than 3/4) of the FD regulars in your club would walk away if the club tried such a plan cold turkey. Best way to control where the site is is to become an EC. The you can do as YOUR philosophical desires dictate. Are you willing to do that? And if you are, how will you deal with the inevitable disputes that will arise? Remember, these folks are all volunteers, bringing their own equipment with them. Related item. I was in a club years ago where I was in charge of our biggest fund raiser. Some of the club members didn't like how I was doing things (specifically, my methods required some work) But we made a LOT of money for a small club. So they led a revolt against me, supported by the club prez of refusing to help me or work for me. My only option that didn't make me look like an idiot was to resign from my position and chairmanship and the club. I was ironically the Vice president. The result? Remember how they thought that my working demands were too much? I wanted 4 hours of work per year per club member. You said the big bad C word - commitment. Well, no one wanted to work even after they got ride of the ******* - me, so they ended up hiring three people to do my job (keeping in mind, I did it for nuttin'), subbed out the most lucrative part of the job, and now make absolutely no money on a fund raiser that was bringing in a lot of money every year. They are actually in money trouble now. Smart people weren't they? bwaahaahaa - great story, Mike. Point is, be good to the volunteers, and if you don't like what they are doing, do better. Most of all, understand that FD is very different things to very different people. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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![]() "Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... Ryan, KC8PMX wrote: "Steve Robeson K4CAP" wrote in message ... Subject: Field Day Plans? From: "Ryan, KC8PMX" Date: 6/24/2004 11:20 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: Will be running KC8PMX on 50Mhz-450Mhz bands. I was thinking a shorter call would help, but I ran those phonetics thru my mind a couple times, and "PAPA MIKE X-RAY" seems to me to be rather prominent. It's not too bad, although I wished I would have gotten a different call when originally assigned. I might purposefully go for the vanity call of K8KEA, just to be a pain in the ass because our club call is W8KEA. hi hi Decided to run on my own as a matter of passive resistance to the local club's field day planner. Field day is supposed to be an emergency preparedness scenario, and there is nothing close to that from what I see of the plans locally here. How's that, Ryan...??? Too much of the picnic-in-the-park thing? No, just a kind of passive resistance thing. I seriously do not agree with the person who is our field day planner and club vicepresident. I am not the only one boycotting the club field day either.... It has been chosen solely by him to be placed at one of the high schools out in the county (as opposed to the city) where there is little traffic on the weekends (passing by the school that is). That you disagree is one thing. No problem there. But field day is for your club, and it seems that there is an "if things aren't done my way, I'm not going to play. Not too teamlike. And if you all seriously want to do it differently, vote the dude out! Believe me, that is in the works. Of course, will someone step up to the plate and run field day in his absence? Is there a clamor and a rush of people wanting to be FD Chairman? No, apparently only the vice-pres can do that.... Field Day should be at least 50% PROMOTIONAL as well as 50% emergency simulation. Since it is not an actual emergency simulation since we all clearly know when it is going to be, AND of course get to chose where we set up, just how does that qualify as emergency planning/communications. Yes there is the PREPLANNING but on our fire department we dont get to know when our next medical call or car accident or house fire is, we just respond and deal with it as best as we can. In a real emergency, we may be required to set up in an area less that to be desired, such as a parking lot. Or an open field without those natural antenna supports..... Also, we would not normally know when that emergency would occur....... Sure. You may need to be operating while ill from something or be putting your life at serious risk at the time. You may be up for several days without sleep. You may be injured. Now thats going to extremes, but in reality, still, right now we have up to a year to choose the sites we operate for F.D., and like I said, some places might be less than desired..... Heck, even the person you are trying to communicate with may only have a CW rig. So you can't even begin to simulate truly accurate emergency condx. Under most real emergency circumstances, some emergency personell is going to tell you to go to a certain place, and operate a certain transciever. You won't set up a tent or put together a station or anything. The purpose of FD is to in large prt get peopl simply *thinking* about emergency ops, and *doing* some simulated ops. Dunno where tha hyper accurate emergency scenario that I hear about came from. Well hell, I can *think* about emergency ops all day/year long..... but it is NOT a simulation at this point from what I have seen locally of at least a dozen local area groups..... Its merely a "contest" but doing it from outside instead of indoors. Maybe, at least if it was changed to where we DO know the weekend it is gonna be, BUT each countie's EC/RO or emergency services director decides the location??? I still believe that the PR value of Field Day far outwieghs any other aspect of field day. Best way to control where the site is is to become an EC. The you can do as YOUR philosophical desires dictate. Are you willing to do that? Yep, and an assistant EC right now. Related item. I was in a club years ago where I was in charge of our biggest fund raiser. Some of the club members didn't like how I was doing things (specifically, my methods required some work) But we made a LOT of money for a small club. So they led a revolt against me, supported by the club prez of refusing to help me or work for me. My only option that didn't make me look like an idiot was to resign from my position and chairmanship and the club. I was ironically the Vice president. The result? Remember how they thought that my working demands were too much? I wanted 4 hours of work per year per club member. Well, no one wanted to work even after they got ride of the ******* - me, so they ended up hiring three people to do my job (keeping in mind, I did it for nuttin'), subbed out the most lucrative part of the job, and now make absolutely no money on a fund raiser that was bringing in a lot of money every year. They are actually in money trouble now. Smart people weren't they? Point is, be good to the volunteers, and if you don't like what they are doing, do better. - Mike KB3EIA - Yeah, unfortunately we have our own set of problems..... including lack of participation..... I feel your pain brother. Ryan KC8PMX |
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"Ryan, KC8PMX" wrote in message ...
"Steve Robeson K4CAP" wrote in message ... Subject: Field Day Plans? From: "Ryan, KC8PMX" Date: 6/24/2004 11:20 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: Will be running KC8PMX on 50Mhz-450Mhz bands. I was thinking a shorter call would help, but I ran those phonetics thru my mind a couple times, and "PAPA MIKE X-RAY" seems to me to be rather prominent. It's not too bad, although I wished I would have gotten a different call when originally assigned. I might purposefully go for the vanity call of K8KEA, just to be a pain in the ass because our club call is W8KEA. hi hi Can't we all just get along? Decided to run on my own as a matter of passive resistance to the local club's field day planner. Field day is supposed to be an emergency preparedness scenario, and there is nothing close to that from what I see of the plans locally here. How's that, Ryan...??? Too much of the picnic-in-the-park thing? No, just a kind of passive resistance thing. I seriously do not agree with the person who is our field day planner and club vicepresident. I am not the only one boycotting the club field day either.... It has been chosen solely by him to be placed at one of the high schools out in the county (as opposed to the city) where there is little traffic on the weekends (passing by the school that is). Let me guess. He's an Extra? Field Day should be at least 50% PROMOTIONAL as well as 50% emergency simulation. Since it is not an actual emergency simulation since we all clearly know when it is going to be, AND of course get to chose where we set up, just how does that qualify as emergency planning/communications. Yes there is the PREPLANNING but on our fire department we dont get to know when our next medical call or car accident or house fire is, we just respond and deal with it as best as we can. Should be points for real emergency locations rather than setting up at KOA. In a real emergency, we may be required to set up in an area less that to be desired, such as a parking lot. Or an open field without those natural antenna supports..... Also, we would not normally know when that emergency would occur....... Hmmmm. Maybe, at least if it was changed to where we DO know the weekend it is gonna be, BUT each countie's EC/RO or emergency services director decides the location??? I still believe that the PR value of Field Day far outwieghs any other aspect of field day. Elevate this idea to ARRL. County EC selects operating locations. Keeps secret. Makes the assignment 2 hours before test starts. Extra points, of course. |
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Subject: Field Day Plans?
From: (William) Date: 6/28/2004 11:20 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: "Ryan, KC8PMX" wrote in message ... It's not too bad, although I wished I would have gotten a different call when originally assigned. I might purposefully go for the vanity call of K8KEA, just to be a pain in the ass because our club call is W8KEA. hi hi Can't we all just get along? "WE" can. You and your mentor are the one's bantering in baby-babble. Should be points for real emergency locations rather than setting up at KOA. What KOA had a Field Day set-up? Elevate this idea to ARRL. County EC selects operating locations. Keeps secret. Makes the assignment 2 hours before test starts. Well, well...Brain manages an idea that doesn't insult anyone and actually has some merit. Put THIS day on the calendar! Steve, K4YZ |
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![]() "William" wrote in message om... "Ryan, KC8PMX" wrote in message ... "Steve Robeson K4CAP" wrote in message ... Subject: Field Day Plans? From: "Ryan, KC8PMX" Date: 6/24/2004 11:20 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: Will be running KC8PMX on 50Mhz-450Mhz bands. I was thinking a shorter call would help, but I ran those phonetics thru my mind a couple times, and "PAPA MIKE X-RAY" seems to me to be rather prominent. It's not too bad, although I wished I would have gotten a different call when originally assigned. I might purposefully go for the vanity call of K8KEA, just to be a pain in the ass because our club call is W8KEA. hi hi Can't we all just get along? Well, I guess I have never been a conformist, or one to be a "bump on the log" type as I see so many are..... LOL I just hate my suffix.... never liked it from the start, but never gotten around to changing it either through vanity call process or simple reassignment through the pool. Decided to run on my own as a matter of passive resistance to the local club's field day planner. Field day is supposed to be an emergency preparedness scenario, and there is nothing close to that from what I see of the plans locally here. How's that, Ryan...??? Too much of the picnic-in-the-park thing? No, just a kind of passive resistance thing. I seriously do not agree with the person who is our field day planner and club vicepresident. I am not the only one boycotting the club field day either.... It has been chosen solely by him to be placed at one of the high schools out in the county (as opposed to the city) where there is little traffic on the weekends (passing by the school that is). Let me guess. He's an Extra? Nope, but license class has nothing to do with it..... Field Day should be at least 50% PROMOTIONAL as well as 50% emergency simulation. Since it is not an actual emergency simulation since we all clearly know when it is going to be, AND of course get to chose where we set up, just how does that qualify as emergency planning/communications. Yes there is the PREPLANNING but on our fire department we dont get to know when our next medical call or car accident or house fire is, we just respond and deal with it as best as we can. Should be points for real emergency locations rather than setting up at KOA. Well, we can speculate as to "where" a potential emergency will happen till the cows come home. The issue I had at hand was merely the choice of location.... its SO buried from the general public, the PR value was not worth a damn for our FD. In a real emergency, we may be required to set up in an area less that to be desired, such as a parking lot. Or an open field without those natural antenna supports..... Also, we would not normally know when that emergency would occur....... Hmmmm. Yeah.... its not like you can plan for when your house will burn down or you get into a bad wreck, or whatever. ![]() Maybe, at least if it was changed to where we DO know the weekend it is gonna be, BUT each countie's EC/RO or emergency services director decides the location??? I still believe that the PR value of Field Day far outwieghs any other aspect of field day. Elevate this idea to ARRL. County EC selects operating locations. Keeps secret. Makes the assignment 2 hours before test starts. The only glitch I could see there, is obviously for counties without an EC. Someone else would have to be qualified to choose then...... Not sure who, but I am sure someone could figure that one out. Extra points, of course. If that plan is followed, of course. ![]() Ryan KC8PMX |
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![]() "Radio Amateur KC2HMZ" wrote in message news ![]() Field Day is next weekend. Anybody in the group here have plans? Look for W0EF 2A MN and K0RT 7A MN |
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