Subject: Vanity Call fee going up in August
From: "Dee D. Flint"
Date: 7/10/2004 7:19 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:


"me" wrote in message
news:FJQHc.62140$Oq2.29491@attbi_s52...
Personally, I believe Amateur Radio Licenses should cost $75 per year for
regulatory fees and the Commission should elimanate testing. I also
believe
that is how it will eventually be in the near future.

73,

Me

Doubtful that testing would be eliminated. International treaties require
that there is proof the operators meet minimum qualifications.

Since the FCC has given testing responsibility to the amateur community, the
FCC simply issues the license so they don't have any vested interest in
eliminating testing. And of course they issue the regulations and enforce
those regulations like they do for all communications services.

Besides testing is needed to attempt to insure that the licensees will have
learned the basics of operating. Hams have such a wide range of privileges
and frequencies that some basic knowledge truly is a necessity. We already
have enough lids slip through so let's not make it worse.

Dee,

I was going to dismiss the troll's post simply on the basis that it was
written by someone who doesn't have the gonads to sign his/her name to thier
public comments (read that: coward) but then I got to thinking that there might
be something to it.

You know, of course, that I work in healthcare as an ER nurse...And you
would be absolutely shocked at the number of people who come to the ER in
distress because they claim they can't "afford" thier medicines...Of course
they either wreak of cigarette smoke, metabolized alcohol, or both...but they
can't "afford" medicine.

So...ballpark the number of Amatuers at 650K...At $75/license that is over
$48M a year for the General Treasury coffers. Of course for that I'd expect a
lot stricter policing of the bands by Riley & Co for it, but hey, let's do
it...

I am willing to bet that most of the idiots who are discipline problems on
the bands are smokers, too. That $75 would be a whole lot of cigarettes, even
at present day prices. And there is one ultimate truism...Smokers will forego
food, debts and common sense in order to buy more cigarettes (as will
alcoholics for more alcohol...). I am willing to bet the scufflaws on 75 and
20 meters would go away in short order after the extra money for enforcement
nails them to the wall.

My license is worth $75/year to me. I'd pony up the cash. And I can
promise you you will never see my name in one of Riley's "letters" on the ARRL
website!

73

Steve, K4YZ

and just who do you think you are that everyone should give their name and
call on here??? I certainly don't have to answer to you!!

Ciao,

Me

"Steve Robeson K4CAP" wrote in message
...
Subject: Vanity Call fee going up in August
From: "Dee D. Flint"
Date: 7/10/2004 7:19 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:


"me" wrote in message
news:FJQHc.62140$Oq2.29491@attbi_s52...
Personally, I believe Amateur Radio Licenses should cost $75 per year
for
regulatory fees and the Commission should elimanate testing. I also
believe
that is how it will eventually be in the near future.

73,

Me

Doubtful that testing would be eliminated. International treaties
require
that there is proof the operators meet minimum qualifications.

Since the FCC has given testing responsibility to the amateur community,
the
FCC simply issues the license so they don't have any vested interest in
eliminating testing. And of course they issue the regulations and
enforce
those regulations like they do for all communications services.

Besides testing is needed to attempt to insure that the licensees will
have
learned the basics of operating. Hams have such a wide range of
privileges
and frequencies that some basic knowledge truly is a necessity. We
already
have enough lids slip through so let's not make it worse.

Dee,

I was going to dismiss the troll's post simply on the basis that it
was
written by someone who doesn't have the gonads to sign his/her name to
thier
public comments (read that: coward) but then I got to thinking that there
might
be something to it.

You know, of course, that I work in healthcare as an ER nurse...And
you
would be absolutely shocked at the number of people who come to the ER in
distress because they claim they can't "afford" thier medicines...Of
course
they either wreak of cigarette smoke, metabolized alcohol, or both...but
they
can't "afford" medicine.

So...ballpark the number of Amatuers at 650K...At $75/license that is
over
$48M a year for the General Treasury coffers. Of course for that I'd
expect a
lot stricter policing of the bands by Riley & Co for it, but hey, let's do
it...

I am willing to bet that most of the idiots who are discipline
problems on
the bands are smokers, too. That $75 would be a whole lot of cigarettes,
even
at present day prices. And there is one ultimate truism...Smokers will
forego
food, debts and common sense in order to buy more cigarettes (as will
alcoholics for more alcohol...). I am willing to bet the scufflaws on 75
and
20 meters would go away in short order after the extra money for
enforcement
nails them to the wall.

My license is worth $75/year to me. I'd pony up the cash. And I can
promise you you will never see my name in one of Riley's "letters" on the
ARRL
website!

73

Steve, K4YZ

and OTOH, Riley is an ass...If he was smart, he'd have his own law firm
making hundreds of thousands of dollars a year defending clients against the
FCC. But working a Gov't job proves that he can't survive in the REAL
world, folks. I'll just give you a couple of examples of his stupidity.
First he tells hams that they can't operate on 146.52 and that they should
make contact and then QSY. Second, he tells us hams that we can't use
phonetics when ID'ing...I mean come on people, you don't need to be a rocket
scientist to know that!!

Ciao,

Me

"me" wrote in message
news:BVZHc.63953$XM6.30522@attbi_s53...
and just who do you think you are that everyone should give their name and
call on here??? I certainly don't have to answer to you!!

Ciao,

Me

"Steve Robeson K4CAP" wrote in message
...
Subject: Vanity Call fee going up in August
From: "Dee D. Flint"
Date: 7/10/2004 7:19 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:


"me" wrote in message
news:FJQHc.62140$Oq2.29491@attbi_s52...
Personally, I believe Amateur Radio Licenses should cost $75 per year
for
regulatory fees and the Commission should elimanate testing. I also
believe
that is how it will eventually be in the near future.

73,

Me

Doubtful that testing would be eliminated. International treaties
require
that there is proof the operators meet minimum qualifications.

Since the FCC has given testing responsibility to the amateur
community,
the
FCC simply issues the license so they don't have any vested interest in
eliminating testing. And of course they issue the regulations and
enforce
those regulations like they do for all communications services.

Besides testing is needed to attempt to insure that the licensees will
have
learned the basics of operating. Hams have such a wide range of
privileges
and frequencies that some basic knowledge truly is a necessity. We
already
have enough lids slip through so let's not make it worse.

Dee,

I was going to dismiss the troll's post simply on the basis that it
was
written by someone who doesn't have the gonads to sign his/her name to
thier
public comments (read that: coward) but then I got to thinking that
there
might
be something to it.

You know, of course, that I work in healthcare as an ER nurse...And
you
would be absolutely shocked at the number of people who come to the ER
in
distress because they claim they can't "afford" thier medicines...Of
course
they either wreak of cigarette smoke, metabolized alcohol, or both...but
they
can't "afford" medicine.

So...ballpark the number of Amatuers at 650K...At $75/license that
is
over
$48M a year for the General Treasury coffers. Of course for that I'd
expect a
lot stricter policing of the bands by Riley & Co for it, but hey, let's
do
it...

I am willing to bet that most of the idiots who are discipline
problems on
the bands are smokers, too. That $75 would be a whole lot of
cigarettes,
even
at present day prices. And there is one ultimate truism...Smokers will
forego
food, debts and common sense in order to buy more cigarettes (as will
alcoholics for more alcohol...). I am willing to bet the scufflaws on
75
and
20 meters would go away in short order after the extra money for
enforcement
nails them to the wall.

My license is worth $75/year to me. I'd pony up the cash. And I
can
promise you you will never see my name in one of Riley's "letters" on
the
ARRL
website!

73

Steve, K4YZ

Subject: Vanity Call fee going up in August
From: "me"
Date: 7/10/2004 5:17 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id: BVZHc.63953$XM6.30522@attbi_s53

and just who do you think you are that everyone should give their name and
call on here??? I certainly don't have to answer to you!!

No, you don't. That's your right.

And the Constitution guarantees EVERYONE the right to be a coward if they
so choose.

You chose. No problem.

If you place so little value in your own opinion that you won't sign your
name to them, what makes you expect that anyone else should take them
seriously?

Steve, K4YZ

"me" wrote in message news:BVZHc.63953$XM6.30522@attbi_s53...
and just who do you think you are that everyone should give their name and
call on here??? I certainly don't have to answer to you!!

Ciao,

Me

Welp, there's where you're wrong. Steve is judge, jury, executioner,
undertaker and worm around here. Get used to it. You play by his
rules or you will be stalked into submission.

Steve Robeson K4CAP wrote:


So...ballpark the number of Amatuers at 650K...At $75/license that is over
$48M a year for the General Treasury coffers. Of course for that I'd expect a
lot stricter policing of the bands by Riley & Co for it, but hey, let's do
it...



Won't happen, government budgeting doesn't work that way. All taxes and
fees collected get dumped into one giant pot, and Congress divies it up
regardless of the sources.

Robert Casey wrote:
Steve Robeson K4CAP wrote:


So...ballpark the number of Amatuers at 650K...At $75/license
that is over
$48M a year for the General Treasury coffers. Of course for that I'd
expect a
lot stricter policing of the bands by Riley & Co for it, but hey,
let's do
it...




Won't happen, government budgeting doesn't work that way. All taxes and
fees collected get dumped into one giant pot, and Congress divies it up
regardless of the sources.

That is so they can keep money from agencies that could serve the public
and do some good, to other worthless projects that waste huge amounts of
money and mostly serve their own interest.

"Steve Robeson K4CAP" wrote

So...ballpark the number of Amatuers at 650K...At $75/license
that is over
$48M a year for the General Treasury coffers.

No it isn't, because the 650K would dwindle within a decade to somewhere
around 20K if a 10-year license renewal cost $750.00.

Then, with only 20K licensed amateurs the service would be folded up as
a poor reason to occupy the valuable spectrum it holds.

I am willing to bet that most of the idiots who are discipline
problems on
the bands are smokers, too.

I was a smoker for about 40 years (quit 7 years ago) and am a lifelong
unrepentent metabolizer of modest amounts of adult (spirited) beverages.
My only citation from the FCC was for sending Morse code at 24WPM where
the rules specified 20WPM as maximum. Sunvagun!

With all kind wishes,

de Hans, K0HB
24WPM Discipline Problem

Subject: Vanity Call fee going up in August
From: "KØHB"
Date: 7/11/2004 7:08 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id: t

I was a smoker for about 40 years (quit 7 years ago) and am a lifelong
unrepentent metabolizer of modest amounts of adult (spirited) beverages.

Well HALLY-LOO-YA Hans...I'm proud of you.

Now, with that extra $2.50/day you're NOT spending on cigarettes, you could
SPONSOR at least 11 other guys for THIER licenses!

My only citation from the FCC was for sending Morse code at 24WPM where
the rules specified 20WPM as maximum. Sunvagun!

With all kind wishes,

Somehow me think you insincere.

Steve, K4YZ

"KØHB" wrote in message nk.net...

My only citation from the FCC was for sending Morse code at 24WPM where
the rules specified 20WPM as maximum. Sunvagun!

Damned repeaters!