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"Robert Casey" wrote in message ... Not only was it easy to enforce but it was selected because it was a desireable enough reward that people would put in the training to get it. Most rewards in the real world have little relationship to the work requested. You see it in the home too. Kid asks, "Dad can I borrow the car?" Parent replies, "After you mow the front & back lawn and run the edger." There is absolutely no relationship between the two activities. The kid gets a highly desired reward for work that he/she probably doesn't care to do but does it anyway to get the reward. SOme kids and others may decide that the reward is not worth the trouble and time needed to do the required chore. If it's an option, vs having to take some stupid class in HS or college because some curriculum committee decided that it was necessary. Not graduating is not a desirable option. I had to take 3 years of Spanish class in HS, but as I don't own a landscaping company, it was a waste of time. :-) Japanese would have been a better choice, but they didn't have it. Some kids may feel that they are saddled with non-optional requirements may decide to edit out of their lives any optional requirements and forgo the ham license or similar. If the resulting "reward" isn't worth the effort, then the person doesn't really want it bad enough and won't be much of an asset anyway. Shear numbers really don't help in any activity. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
"N2EY" wrote in message ... In article , "Dee D. Flint" writes: "N2EY" wrote in message ... In article , Robert Casey writes: Hams - old and new - didn't change the exam procedures. Neither did ARRL, NCI, NCVEC or any other ham group. FCC did, because it saved them resources. We aren't going to a system other than multiple-choice published-Q&A-pool exams in the foreseeable future. Just not gonna happen. ANd then there's the question of what knowledge should be expected from applicants anyway. Does it really require more knowledge and skill to operate on 14.167 vs 14.344? More spectrum is simply the reward system in use. It was chosen in large part because it's easy to enforce. Not only was it easy to enforce but it was selected because it was a desireable enough reward that people would put in the training to get it. Most rewards in the real world have little relationship to the work requested. You see it in the home too. Kid asks, "Dad can I borrow the car?" Parent replies, "After you mow the front & back lawn and run the edger." There is absolutely no relationship between the two activities. Actually, there is a relationship - or connection might be a better word. Connection would be the better term I think since the activities are unrelated in what they are. You're right that driving a car doesn't require lawn-mowing skills or accomplishments. But in the case cited above, Kid is part of the family. In order to use the family's resources (the car, which Parents bought and paid for) Kid has to contribute something - in the cited case, the lawn care. The relationship between the car use and the lawn care is one of responsibility and being part of a group. Excellent. We can apply that similar logic to amateur radio requirements. The spectrum is a public resource. The prospective ham needs to demonstrate that he has the potential to be a contributor. This is accomplished by the testing process. The connection is then similar: demonstrating the potential for responsibility and being part of a larger group. Notice that I tag it as potential since there will always be a few who are willing to put in the effort but then end up being problems. Have you ever seen a family where the kids are given everything they want but not required to contribute anything? Ever see what sort of adults those kids become? 73 de Jim, N2EY The kid gets a highly desired reward for work that he/she probably doesn't care to do but does it anyway to get the reward. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
In article , Len Over 21 wrote:
AMATEUR radio long ago CEASED to be a "pool of experienced morse operators" for any national need. The nation does NOT need morse operators, haven't for a long time. That's an intresting point. 9/11 showed the need still exists for experienced radio operators who can communicate under pressure. Morde code is no longer necessary, but a clear voice, understanding a phonetic alphabet, etc is. Having a pool of responsable well trained and practiced radio operators is still needed. They get that training on VHF/UHF repeaters, not operating morse on HF or contests, etc. Skills leared from contests are helpful, such as being able to dig a specific signal out of the QRM and noise, etc, but the majority of operators don't need it. Just face the reality of the matter. Morsemen got their little CW playground and should be happy. Professional communicators they ain't, even if they want, desperately, to be oh, so very pro. That's about it. If they want to keep morse active, they should encourage it, not discourage it. How many hams are on the air that say that they learned morse code for the license and haven't used it since? I never thought I'd say that about myself, but unfortuntely it is true. I've tried to get my speed back up to something reasonable and expect that it would take an hour a day for at least a month. Peopl who work 9-5 5 days a week may actualy be able to do it. I don't (more like noon (or eariler) to 3am). Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, C.T.O. GW&T Ltd., Jerusalem Israel IL Voice: 972-544-608-069 IL Fax: 972-2-648-1443 U.S. Voice: 1-215-821-1838 |
Subject: FCC Morse testing at 16 and 20 WPM
From: (Geoffrey S. Mendelson) Date: 7/15/2004 10:16 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: In article , Len Over 21 wrote: AMATEUR radio long ago CEASED to be a "pool of experienced morse operators" for any national need. The nation does NOT need morse operators, haven't for a long time. That's an intresting point. 9/11 showed the need still exists for experienced radio operators who can communicate under pressure. Morde code is no longer necessary, but a clear voice, understanding a phonetic alphabet, etc is. Geoffrey, you'll notice Lennie interjected "morse" operators, although he does take great liberties with trying to discredit Amatueur Radio at any opportunity. Additionally he was in error that stating that "Amateur radio long ago ceased to be a "pool of experienced morse operators" for any national need." Indeed Amateur Radio is the ONLY pool of Morse capable radio operators remaining, the very small contingent of military and SIGINT operators not withstanding. Having a pool of responsable well trained and practiced radio operators is still needed. They get that training on VHF/UHF repeaters, not operating morse on HF or contests, etc. That's why they are spending tons of bucks on the Emergency Communicators course. Also, here in Tennessee, funds were allocated to equip EVERY hospital in Tennessee with at least one VHF/UHF and one HF transceiver, along with funds to get folks qualified to use them. I don't know if that program is a TN-only program or not. Skills leared from contests are helpful, such as being able to dig a specific signal out of the QRM and noise, etc, but the majority of operators don't need it. And as much as being able to pull "the weak ones" out is a plus, ACCURACY is more important...That's why contests ding you if you miscopy an exchange. Those skills are collateral benefits to emergency communications...Lennie's uninformed opinion and ranting to the contrary. Just face the reality of the matter. Morsemen got their little CW playground and should be happy. Professional communicators they ain't, even if they want, desperately, to be oh, so very pro. That's about it. If they want to keep morse active, they should encourage it, not discourage it. How many hams are on the air that say that they learned morse code for the license and haven't used it since? If what Lennie is is being "pro", then I dare say we should take some EXTRA pride in NOT being "pro" ! ! ! ! Len Anderson has absolutely ZERO experience in emergency communications, save for what he cuts-and-pastes about CA's ACS system and MARS. No experience as an Amateur operator, none in any capacity with any civil or federal program. He is not a licensed Amateur, nor is he in any other program affilitated with emergency communications, MARS included. I never thought I'd say that about myself, but unfortuntely it is true. I've tried to get my speed back up to something reasonable and expect that it would take an hour a day for at least a month. In regards to emergency uses, Geoffrey, it's irrelevent. It's nice to have, especially for health and welfare trafficing, but otherwise not necessary. People who work 9-5 5 days a week may actually be able to do it. I don't (more like noon (or eariler) to 3am). Sure you can! Just one or two QSO's a day will get your speed up in no time, regadless of when you work! I work 7P to 7A three to five days a week, and I am able to KEEP my speed above 20WPM with little effort. 73 Steve, K4YZ |
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(Len Over 21) writes: In article , PAMNO (N2EY) writes: In article , Robert Casey writes: Hams - old and new - didn't change the exam procedures. Neither did ARRL, NCI, NCVEC or any other ham group. FCC did, because it saved them resources. We aren't going to a system other than multiple-choice published-Q&A-pool exams in the foreseeable future. Just not gonna happen. ANd then there's the question of what knowledge should be expected from applicants anyway. Does it really require more knowledge and skill to operate on 14.167 vs 14.344? More spectrum is simply the reward system in use. It was chosen in large part because it's easy to enforce. Nonsense for the new millennium. That's what you're giving us, Len! The separate, elite morsemen-only portions of the ham bands were put there by old morsemen who were able to influence League lobbying. Len, what are "morsemen"? And if you're talking about how the bands got carved up into Extra-only, Advanced-and-Extra-only, and General-and-above subbands, that wasn't an ARRL idea at all. It came from elsewhere. What is this "easy to enforce" nonsense? It's not nonsense at all, Len. The FCC reads morse easier than it can voice? [I don't think so] Can the FCC DF on OOK-CW signals "easier" than voice signals? [I don't think so] The easy to enforce *fact* is that it's simple to check the frequency of a signal against the license class. It's not nearly so easy to verify things like power level. All of the morsemen's propaganda is just spin to keep their little morse playground. No more, no less. What are you talking about, Len? The only Morse-code-only segments of US amateur radio are the lowest 100 kHz of 6 and 2 meters. Open to all hams except Novices. You will be angry and disturbed at such direct language, but, like Ernestine's creator put it..."plbthththt...and that's the absolute truth." :-) And it's as true as what Ernestine says. IOW, what you wrote is absolute nonsense, Len, and the historical records prove it. Besides, why do you want to live in the past so much? Since 1990 it has been possible to get any class of US ham license with just a 5 wpm code test and a medical waiver. Since 2000, the only Morse code test left has been the 5 wpm test. Here's a challenge for ya, Len: Tell us, in brief and clear terms, without your usual level of insults, exactly what *you* think the US amateur license requirements and privileges should be. We already know you don't like the code test so that issue is clear. But what about the rest? How many license classes? Subbands by mode, license class, power? What sort of written exams? Other requirements? Let's see what *you* would enact if you could. Or are you only interested in nonsense? |
You're right that driving a car doesn't require lawn-mowing skills or accomplishments. But in the case cited above, Kid is part of the family. In order to use the family's resources (the car, which Parents bought and paid for) Kid has to contribute something - in the cited case, the lawn care. The relationship between the car use and the lawn care is one of responsibility and being part of a group. I suspect that many kids see a disparity between their education (like Physics class, algebra class, and such) and the kind of paying minimum wage jobs they can get (flipping burgers, stocking supermarket shelves) and may conclude that school work doesn't really apply to anything in the real working world. And see no real reason to graduate other than a vague argument that school is "good for you". I've told kids to stick it out, and that you will get your payoff later on (in the form of better paying jobs). And that stuff like English class is actually valuable (you need to be able to write well so your boss understands what you are doing so he thinks that you should get a raise and/or not get laid off). The subject matter in English class may be stupid, but it's just what the English teacher knows about (Shakespeare plays and such). History class is not that important; I got thru life without knowing about King Louie the VII. Get the C and be done with it. |
Subject: FCC Morse testing at 16 and 20 WPM
From: "Kelley James" Date: 7/15/2004 1:02 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: "Steve Robeson K4CAP" wrote in message ... Indeed Amateur Radio is the ONLY pool of Morse capable radio operators remaining, the very small contingent of military and SIGINT operators not withstanding. Tell me more about military and SIGINT operators. What's to tell? The Army still trains AD personnel from all services in Morse Code in Arizona. This can be verified via independent sources so I will leave you to it. Of course Lennie willl jump in and tell us "IT"S FOR RECEIVE ONLY ! ! ! !" Uh huh. Steve, K4YZ |
Subject: FCC Morse testing at 16 and 20 WPM
From: PAMNO (N2EY) Date: 7/15/2004 11:44 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: In article , (Len Over 21) writes: Nonsense for the new millennium. That's what you're giving us, Len! Of course it is. Without any practical experience in Amatuer Radio, how could he render an INFORMED opinon on ANYthing having to do with Amateur Radio...??? The separate, elite morsemen-only portions of the ham bands were put there by old morsemen who were able to influence League lobbying. Len, what are "morsemen"? Anything and everything he's not. Reminds me of the TV evangilist who was always hollering about the immorality of the flesh, then got caught renting it! And if you're talking about how the bands got carved up into Extra-only, Advanced-and-Extra-only, and General-and-above subbands, that wasn't an ARRL idea at all. It came from elsewhere. Don't confuse him with the truth, Jim. What is this "easy to enforce" nonsense? It's not nonsense at all, Len. The FCC reads morse easier than it can voice? [I don't think so] Can the FCC DF on OOK-CW signals "easier" than voice signals? [I don't think so] The easy to enforce *fact* is that it's simple to check the frequency of a signal against the license class. It's not nearly so easy to verify things like power level. All of the morsemen's propaganda is just spin to keep their little morse playground. No more, no less. What are you talking about, Len? The propaganda is coming from the Loser on Lanark. The only Morse-code-only segments of US amateur radio are the lowest 100 kHz of 6 and 2 meters. Open to all hams except Novices. More facts to choke on, Jim. You will be angry and disturbed at such direct language, but, like Ernestine's creator put it..."plbthththt...and that's the absolute truth." :-) And it's as true as what Ernestine says. IOW, what you wrote is absolute nonsense, Len, and the historical records prove it. As always. Besides, why do you want to live in the past so much? Since 1990 it has been possible to get any class of US ham license with just a 5 wpm code test and a medical waiver. Since 2000, the only Morse code test left has been the 5 wpm test. I don't think Lennie's diagnosis of ACRI (*) counts for Amateur testing waiver purposes, Jim. Here's a challenge for ya, Len: Tell us, in brief and clear terms, without your usual level of insults, exactly what *you* think the US amateur license requirements and privileges should be. We already know you don't like the code test so that issue is clear. But what about the rest? How many license classes? Subbands by mode, license class, power? What sort of written exams? Other requirements? Yeah...let's get another dose of that age limit thing, and please include some FCC statistics on age-vs-infraction occurences...Better yet, let's see some of your credentials on child rearing and development that support your assertion for the need of an age limit. Let's see what *you* would enact if you could. He'd just take an eraser to the whole thing. Or are you only interested in nonsense? My bet's on the nonsense. That's all he's produced here. 73 Steve, K4YZ (*) Acute Cranial Rectal Inversion |
On 15 Jul 2004 16:09:57 GMT, Steve Robeson K4CAP wrote:
That's why they are spending tons of bucks on the Emergency Communicators course. Also, here in Tennessee, funds were allocated to equip EVERY hospital in Tennessee with at least one VHF/UHF and one HF transceiver, along with funds to get folks qualified to use them. I don't know if that program is a TN-only program or not. It's in the new nationwide JACO (Hospital Joint Accreditation Committee) standards. That's how I got co-opted from the county RACES/AREC program into the Providence St. Vincent Hospital (former Catholic Charities Hospital) Disaster Communications Team although I am neither Catholic nor Charitable. We were lucky that we had two nurses who were hams before this project started, and that the hospital administration has been very generous in putting its hand into its pocket and coming up with funds whenever we needed them. Five dual-band and two tri-band VHF/UHF radios, three TNCs, two recycled laptop computers......we're the packet node for the inter-hospital and RACES/AREC packet network plus three voice circuits (two to the county and one regional inter-hospital), plus SSTV which the administrators use to transfer status diagrams between hospitals. We back up the regional and local 800 MHz systems totally. Our next quarterly exercise will involve relocation of the EOC (and the radio equipment) from its primary position to a backup site across the campus while the exercise is running. That ought to be fun. -- 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon |
In article , Mike Coslo
writes: The exact process I used for getting my license was: First I took an online test. First couple times did just awful. In both General and Extra, I started out at about the 50 percent level. That's really pretty good for a start, with no preparation. Downloaded the question pool. Used it as reading material on the throne and around the house. But mostly as a post-test reference Did you highlight the right answers or black out the wrong ones? Continued taking the online tests. For every question I got wrong on the tests, I researched out the answer. Sources were reference books and the 'net. Yep. Continued until I scored 100 percent pretty consistently. And the actual test was a breeze, right? What you did was to 'study the test'. Which isn't "wrong" or illegal, despite what some may rant about it. You did what worked for you, within the rules. Which do you *really* think requires more understanding of the mateiral and the concepts behind it - a test where you don't know the exact Q&A beforehand, or one where you do? All the same to me. Really? And I think my method above says something more. Being smart is not necessarily knowing something - it is knowing what you know, knowing what you don't know, and knowing where to get the answer so you *do* know. Kinda like the difference between schooling and education. If you make questions up, you have to have a reference for them someplace. Is it in a book? fine, study the book then. Is it a question pool? Fine also. *If* you only care about right answers rather than understanding. Not really. I saw a electrician licensing test book with question pool recently. Lives depend on the electrician doing safe and proper work. and they are depending on the Electrician knowing. But someone cannot become a licensed electrician by written tests alone. There are extensive practical tests and experience requirements as well, and several levels of licensing. IIRC, here in PA it takes 9000 hours of documented work experience under the supervision of a licensed electrician to be licensed at the highest level. Rote memorization? Seriously if anyone rote memorizes the General and Extra tests, they are very intelligent and very stupid at the same time. Depends on the person and the subject. In some areas, the only way to know the material is rote memorization. (How long is a ham license term?) Of course, but that is diluting the issue. No other way to learn that stuff. The problem is that more and more of the test is becoming "that stuff". And they will have a few curves thrown at them at test time. How? The test questions are all in the pool. Read the pool and you have seen every possible question and answer. All my tests have been from the question pool, so it is something I have some advantage over many people here. Actual knowledge rather than opinion. I take a simulated test every so often just to maintain an even strain. The answers are not always in the same order as they are in the pool. I experienced this in my Extra test. And if the person knows the text of the answer, they almost certainly *know* the answer. That takes a level of understanding much greater than "This question's answer is "D" Nobody with any sense memorizes the answer letters! But being able to know which answer is right after having seen the exact Q&A several times before doesn't guarantee any level of understanding. For example, I could ask: - Which of the following are blunatrons? (Flufnagles, zinthorps, calinars, rhenotors) A) Fluffnagles and rhenotors only B) Zinthorps only C) Calinars and zinthorps only D) Calinars, zinthorps and fluffnagles (Of course the correct answer is C) Now, if you remember that calinars and zinthorps are blunatrons but fluffnagles and rhenotors aren't, you'll always get the question right. But do you really understand anything about blunatrons? Heck, download the pool as a Word or text document, edit out the wrong answers, print the questions up on 3x5 cards and just read the dern things while in the room of many doors. Remember the game "Trivial Pursuit"? When it was a big deal ~20 years ago, I used to carry a handful of the cards in my pocket and read them at odd times (on the subway, waiting for the elevator, etc.) Didn't consciously try to memorize them, just read them. I was soon nearly unbeatable - as long as the game used the Original edition cards. The question pools have far fewer questions than the Trivial Pursuit cards did. A thought: If a question pool is cheating, then a book with the answers in the test in the course of reading is cheating too Question pools don't equal cheating unless they are supposed to be secret. So... The only way that *some* Hams will be happy is if the test questions have answers in no book - that is to say that all testing will have to be in the form of basic research - the new ham will have to advance the state of the art in his/her admission test. bwaaahaahaa Otherwise the new ham is cheating and isn't as good as the old ham. 8^) (I just recently had to listen to an old timer in person on a tirade about the worthless new hams - again.) Why did you have to listen? I find turning on my heel and walking away does wonders. Or, looking the ranter straight in the eye and saying, "You're just wrong...." (lookit how the oldest ranter here on rrap reacts to being told he's wrong - which he often is....) Well, it wasn't a case where I could or should have turned away. I supposed I could have kicked the person out, but I also needed the help he was giving on a task. Real life has a habit of modifying our behavior. Plus ut wasn't a personal attack. Most hams I know think I'm a relative old timer. But its still irritating. Well, he was just plain wrong. The test is just one part of being qualified. Of course. But sometimes we have to work with people that are just plain wrong. Yep. Every once in a while, I'll mention something like "Hey, I resemble that remark!" There was an old song called "Patches" that you may recall from high school days. Man is remembering how tough he had it as a kid. Among the folks I grew up with, we still use the line "And then the rains came, and washed all the crops away" whenever somebody starts geezering. hehe, I used to do a good rendition of the line after that - "And at the age of thirteen, I felt I had the weight of the whooole world on my shoulders" 8^) "And Mama knew what I was going through..." That's the one! It's particularly effective when someone is going on and one about something like how tough it was to find a parking space, or how long the line at Starbucks was this morning, and three people do it, one taking each line... Besides, what it all comes down to is this: Hams - old and new - didn't change the exam procedures. Neither did ARRL, NCI, NCVEC or any other ham group. FCC did, because it saved them resources. We aren't going to a system other than multiple-choice published-Q&A-pool exams in the foreseeable future. Just not gonna happen. Just a thought here... If we were to say, go to a book oriented reference for the tests, I can assure you that it would be no better than the pool based system. Sure it would. But we're not going to go back to secret tests. Not gonna happen - at least not anytime soon. Why get in a lather over it? Thousands and thousands of college students prove this on a daily basis, pulling all-nighters, cramming to take their tests. All the crammed knowledge is placed in shirt term memory, to quickly fade after the test is over. That only works for some people. And recall that for most of those students, the cramming is not the only preparation done. Maybe the answer is to have on on one testing, where the test administrator comes to love with you for a week, to see if you *really* have knowledge of Ham radio....hehe. If the test administrator looks like Heidi Klum, or if I get to be *her* test administrator, I'll volunteer to put the system throuigh its paces. Heck, I'll sign up for two weeks...... Hey, maybe my dum typo was Karma! I've got dibs on Ms. Klum if she ever needs a ham radio instructor. This might be the way to increase the numbers of Hams! People would demand to be retested every year or so. And the YL's could pick their own instructors........ Yep. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: FCC Morse testing at 16 and 20 WPM From: PAMNO (N2EY) Date: 7/15/2004 11:44 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: In article , (Len Over 21) writes: Nonsense for the new millennium. That's what you're giving us, Len! Of course it is. Without any practical experience in Amatuer Radio, how could he render an INFORMED opinon on ANYthing having to do with Amateur Radio...??? Riiiiiiight, Stalker. How can ANYONE possibly know anything about anything without being federally licensed in it? Gosh, in your psychotic fantasyland, amateur radio must be a classified, sensitive, deep dark secret, revealed only to those "eyes only" folks who have been background-checked, right? :-) NOBODY unlicense can possibly know anything at all! So, therefore, howinnaheck is anyone going to find out about supersecret classified hum raddio? :-) Poor baby Stalker. Still off on that delusional psychosis of hate-hate-hate suffered from grievous woundings in old newsgrope messaging! [he needs a purple heart or something for that shoe box of medals] The separate, elite morsemen-only portions of the ham bands were put there by old morsemen who were able to influence League lobbying. Len, what are "morsemen"? Anything and everything he's not. I'm a retired electronics engineer with a good retirement income. That means a professional. Sunnuvagun! Stalker Stevie a pro? Stalker have a pro kit? Stalker do good yell-yell-murine imitation. Did "seven hostile actions." Never explained that. Might have been done in hum raddio "actions?" Stalker did "combat trianing" in Barstow, CA, murine warehouse and supply depot? Tough duty. Very hostile. Action? Reminds me of the TV evangilist who was always hollering about the immorality of the flesh, then got caught renting it! Stalker Stevie get in trouble again with religion? Tsk. The propaganda is coming from the Loser on Lanark. Poor delusional, hate-filled psychotic now wants to go geographic. Tsk. 10048 Lanark Street, Sun Valley, CA. Nice neighborhood. Upscale. Mortgage got paid off fully years ago. Adjoining walled community of 44 homes, one going for $860,000. Look it up on MapQuest. Know how? [no license required to use MapQuest...] I don't think Lennie's diagnosis of ACRI (*) counts for Amateur testing waiver purposes, Jim. Poor delusional, hate-filled psychotic snitting in public again. Poor Stalker needs mental therapy. Medical science may not be up to his level of psychosis. Too much hate, too thin a skin for sustained newsgrope living. Tsk. But, it's okay for all extras to say or do anything, to be the role- model evangelists for Olde Tyme Hamme Raddio...the one where Kode was King and strictly enforced by Mighty Macho Morsemen. My bet's on the nonsense. That's all he's produced here. Sorry, can't venture into your psychotic fantasyland. Too weird in there. It isn't reality. It is the Twilight Zone pesonified. Try a different mix of pilfered drugs from the "ER" medicine room next time. Steve, K4YZ (*) Acute Cranial Rectal Inversion Tsk, tsk, tsk. The same snit from one who DEMANDS genteel, civil behavior, no nasty words. A good example of top-of-the-line Amateur Extra behavior? LHA / WMD |
In article , (Stevie
Stalker, Mighty Macho Morseman Ethnic Cleanser of Olde Tyme Hamme Raddio using a Fleet Kit) writes: Subject: FCC Morse testing at 16 and 20 WPM From: "Kelley James" Date: 7/15/2004 1:02 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: "Steve Robeson K4CAP" wrote in message ... Indeed Amateur Radio is the ONLY pool of Morse capable radio operators remaining, the very small contingent of military and SIGINT operators not withstanding. Tell me more about military and SIGINT operators. What's to tell? The Army still trains AD personnel from all services in Morse Code in Arizona. This can be verified via independent sources so I will leave you to it. Fort Huachuca, Arizona. "Home of the Buffalo Soldiers." U.S. Army Military Intelligence Center, School, and also the Hq for Army MARS. :-) Huachuca has a nice website which includes an on-line "museum" of important Military Intelligence folks. Of course Lennie willl jump in and tell us "IT"S FOR RECEIVE ONLY ! ! ! !" Uh huh. Absolutely for RECEIVE ONLY! :-) Passive signal intelligence work is done that way. The other side has no idea they are being intercepted. Sunnuvagun! How about that? The curricula for all MOSs was on-line at Fort Huachuca. Haven't been there lately (on-line) so it might have been re-arranged. They had the names of the computer programs used in teaching morse code. All were commercial packages. Sunnuvagun! How about that! Been to Fort Huachuca in person. Hotness rules. Stalker Stevie will say "he's been there too" if his paranoic psychosis is working the same. :-) LHA / WMD |
In article , "Kelley James"
writes: "Steve Robeson K4CAP" wrote in message ... Indeed Amateur Radio is the ONLY pool of Morse capable radio operators remaining, the very small contingent of military and SIGINT operators not withstanding. Tell me more about military and SIGINT operators. Don't ask too much. Stalker Stevie never did any Signals Intelligence work in the military. He was too busy doing his hamme raddio thing in between his "seven hostile actions." :-) He will tell you to "call the VA" to find out everything! Or, he will say stuff like "Sorry Hans, MARS IS ham radio!" Hi hi ho ho LHA / WMD |
In article , PAMNO
(N2EY) writes: In article , (Len Over 21) writes: In article , (N2EY) writes: In article , Robert Casey writes: Hams - old and new - didn't change the exam procedures. Neither did ARRL, NCI, NCVEC or any other ham group. FCC did, because it saved them resources. We aren't going to a system other than multiple-choice published-Q&A-pool exams in the foreseeable future. Just not gonna happen. ANd then there's the question of what knowledge should be expected from applicants anyway. Does it really require more knowledge and skill to operate on 14.167 vs 14.344? More spectrum is simply the reward system in use. It was chosen in large part because it's easy to enforce. Nonsense for the new millennium. That's what you're giving us, Len! Now, now Rev. Jim. You're off on an evangelical Sermon on the Antenna Mount again! You just didn't answer the question I posed about "enforcement ease." Tsk. tsk. tsk. Tell us how morse signals are "easier to enforce" than voice signals. Try a few details of how that is done. The separate, elite morsemen-only portions of the ham bands were put there by old morsemen who were able to influence League lobbying. Len, what are "morsemen"? An elite band of beepers stuck in a time warp of yesteryear. Amateurs, of course. The rest of the radio world has given up morse code modes for any primary communications. Most other radio services never even considered it! And if you're talking about how the bands got carved up into Extra-only, Advanced-and-Extra-only, and General-and-above subbands, that wasn't an ARRL idea at all. It came from elsewhere. What is this "easy to enforce" nonsense? It's not nonsense at all, Len. So...answer how it is "easy." The FCC reads morse easier than it can voice? [I don't think so] Can the FCC DF on OOK-CW signals "easier" than voice signals? [I don't think so] The easy to enforce *fact* is that it's simple to check the frequency of a signal against the license class. It's not nearly so easy to verify things like power level. Oh, yeah, the Magick of Morse! All morsemen are superbly honest and without fault...would not dream of falsifying anything, would they? Hello? Ever hear of audio recorders? Those have been around since WW2. Really. More modern stuff than wire recorders nowadays, old timer. Combine that with modern DF techniques (no rotating loop antennas required) and modern data recorders and ANY signal can be found out. All of the morsemen's propaganda is just spin to keep their little morse playground. No more, no less. What are you talking about, Len? YOUR spin on morse code. And the Belief System of the Church of St. Hiram. The only Morse-code-only segments of US amateur radio are the lowest 100 kHz of 6 and 2 meters. Open to all hams except Novices. WE weren't talking about "morse code only" stuff, Rev. Jim. [got some bad peyote again? tsk] You will be angry and disturbed at such direct language, but, like Ernestine's creator put it..."plbthththt...and that's the absolute truth." :-) And it's as true as what Ernestine says. IOW, what you wrote is absolute nonsense, Len, and the historical records prove it. Yah, yu be all hot and bothered! :-) SPIN doctoring you do, Rev. Jim, and you don't have the license to practice doctoring. Tsk, tsk. Besides, why do you want to live in the past so much? Moi? HAH! Who was talking up "T.O.M." olde tymer? YOU were. EIGHTY YEARS AGO. Tsk, tsk, tsk. Since 1990 it has been possible to get any class of US ham license with just a 5 wpm code test and a medical waiver. Since 2000, the only Morse code test left has been the 5 wpm test. So? The morse code test is STILL THERE, isn't it? All U.S. amateur radio licenses with below-30-MHz privileges require passing that morse code test. NOW. Not 14 years ago, not 80 years ago. NOW. WHY? Here's a challenge for ya, Len: Lissen up, peyote breath. Here's YOUR challenge: Try to go a whole 48 hours of NOT accessing the newsgroup and telling everyone a sermon or preaching that Code Is Good, the Best. Bet you can't do it. :-) You can't. You are fixated on Being Here, the Voice of "Truth" about olde-tyme hamme raddio, telling all heretics to your Belief System that they are "wrong," "incorrect," and other indelicate nasties when they don't like Mighty Macho Morse. Ho hum. LHA / WMD |
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Stalker, Ethnic Cleanser of Olde Tyme Hamme Raddio) writes: A nickle says Lennie the Lame found yet another anonymous server to hide behind. If not, it's someone he's slept with. Poor Stalker making LIES again. Tsk, tsk. Poor boy just doesn't know when to quit with that terrible hate psychosis. Can't realize that his fantastic thoughts just aren't liked by others. That's how it is with the mentally disturbed... No problem here on walking or leg useage, working fine. No "lameness." However, poor Stalker must have stepped in something long ago...probably his first set of LIES in here. No need to hide identities here. I'm still at the same address as given in those Ham Radio magazine articles. You can also send e-mail to the following very valid e-address: |
In article , (Stevie
Stalker, Hamme Raddio Ethnic Cleanser with his Fleet Kit) writes: Subject: FCC Morse testing at 16 and 20 WPM From: (Geoffrey S. Mendelson) Date: 7/15/2004 10:16 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: In article , Len Over 21 wrote: AMATEUR radio long ago CEASED to be a "pool of experienced morse operators" for any national need. The nation does NOT need morse operators, haven't for a long time. That's an intresting point. 9/11 showed the need still exists for experienced radio operators who can communicate under pressure. Morde code is no longer necessary, but a clear voice, understanding a phonetic alphabet, etc is. Geoffrey, you'll notice Lennie interjected "morse" operators, although he does take great liberties with trying to discredit Amatueur Radio at any opportunity. Poor Stalker, still deep in delusional psychosis thinking that all who disagree with Him are "discrediting amateur radio" (not "amatueur" radio, hi hi). No other radio service in the USA uses morse code for ANY emergency communications, nor do they do that for primary radio communications purposes. No Public Safety Radio group needs any morse qualifications to do their work. Additionally he was in error that stating that "Amateur radio long ago ceased to be a "pool of experienced morse operators" for any national need." No "error." REALITY. Stevie Stalker LIES again, but doesn't understand he does. Tsk. He confuses his fantasy with reality. Bad scene. He need mental help. Indeed Amateur Radio is the ONLY pool of Morse capable radio operators remaining, the very small contingent of military and SIGINT operators not withstanding. VERY small. The Military Intelligence Center at Fort Huachuca trains signal intercept operators. A few of the MOSs in that school learn International Morse Code from computer programs. Those same trainees also learn to operate a variety of recorders to record those intercepts for later analysis. Just one small facet of MI training. On-off keying morse code is falling in the rest of the world. Eventually even they (the U.S. military) will drop that training. They have the recorders and the recorded intercepts if some idiot foreign force wants to use morse...and thus be open to signals attack by just about anyone. And as much as being able to pull "the weak ones" out is a plus, ACCURACY is more important...That's why contests ding you if you miscopy an exchange. Those skills are collateral benefits to emergency communications...Lennie's uninformed opinion and ranting to the contrary. Poor delusional Stalker, still mixing up his hate-filled dystemper of a fantasyland continuum with reality. Tsk. He needs mental help. If what Lennie is is being "pro", then I dare say we should take some EXTRA pride in NOT being "pro" ! ! ! ! More delusional Stalker fantasyland hate. There are NO Public Safety Radio Services now using morse code in any form for public safety communications. None. Len Anderson has absolutely ZERO experience in emergency communications, save for what he cuts-and-pastes about CA's ACS system and MARS. Untrue, but trying to convince a delusional psychotic with a gigantic hate complex living in his fantasyland is a non-starter. Poor Stalker needs mental therapy. No experience as an Amateur operator, none in any capacity with any civil or federal program. Untrue. But Stalker will insist that I have none until the last psychotic delusion is ripped from his hate-filled little mind... He is not a licensed Amateur, nor is he in any other program affilitated with emergency communications, MARS included. "Sorry, Hans, MARS IS amateur radio!" Hi hi ho ho. Department of Defense Directive 4650.2, effective November 2003 says otherwise. Amateur licensee Stalker says MARS is amateur radio. Just who is the LIE spreader there? Hint. It isn't DoD. :-) I never thought I'd say that about myself, but unfortuntely it is true. I've tried to get my speed back up to something reasonable and expect that it would take an hour a day for at least a month. In regards to emergency uses, Geoffrey, it's irrelevent. It's nice to have, especially for health and welfare trafficing, but otherwise not necessary. RED ALERT! ALL HANDS TO BATTLE STATIONS! REALITY BROKE OUT! :-) People who work 9-5 5 days a week may actually be able to do it. I don't (more like noon (or eariler) to 3am). Sure you can! Just one or two QSO's a day will get your speed up in no time, regadless of when you work! I work 7P to 7A three to five days a week, and I am able to KEEP my speed above 20WPM with little effort. There ya go, Stalker. You just keep on beepin...and imagining yourself a big fat Hero of the Homeland for beeping fast. So long, Reality again. Hello fantasy! :-) LHA / WMD |
In article , "Dee D. Flint"
writes: Excellent. We can apply that similar logic to amateur radio requirements. The spectrum is a public resource. The prospective ham needs to demonstrate that he has the potential to be a contributor. Morsemanship left the "public resource" zone a long time ago for all the other radio services. You, and all other morsepersons, seem to think that amateur radio is all concerned with morse code skills. That's hardly in any "public interest" except to that tiny slice of the "public" that worships at the Church of St. Hiram. You and all the other morsepersons are Believers in that "church." This is accomplished by the testing process. The connection is then similar: demonstrating the potential for responsibility and being part of a larger group. Becoming a part of a slightly larger group of morse code users. ONLY in amateur radio. Hundreds of thousands of others have "demonstrated their 'potential' for responsibility...and DEMONSTRATED that very responsibility" in the military and/or commercial radio...WITHOUT having to do that testing for morse code cognition. As one of that group, I don't feel chastened by those spankaroony words from a self-styled "parent" who was into such responsibility beginning a half century ago. Notice that I tag it as potential since there will always be a few who are willing to put in the effort but then end up being problems. Notice: Mama Dee wants to play "parent" again, thinking that all others not thinking as she does are "children." Tsk, tsk. Poor Dee. Still on that self-elevated elitist pedestal again, trying to spank others for not thinking properly. :-) LHA / WMD |
In article , "Dee D. Flint"
writes: If the resulting "reward" isn't worth the effort, then the person doesn't really want it bad enough and won't be much of an asset anyway. Shear numbers really don't help in any activity. Dee, look at all the "assets" championing olde tyme hamme raddio in here. :-) An earthquake with high shear forces wouldn't convince them (or you) that morsemanship is not necessary. That's sheer supposition, of course. :-) LHA / WMD |
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Subject: FCC Morse testing at 16 and 20 WPM
From: (Len Over 21) Date: 7/15/2004 8:41 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: In article , (Stevie Stalker, Ethnic Cleanser of Olde Tyme Hamme Raddio) writes: A nickle says Lennie the Lame found yet another anonymous server to hide behind. If not, it's someone he's slept with. Poor Stalker making LIES again. Tsk, tsk. Not a lie, Lennie...A bet. Poor boy just doesn't know when to quit with that terrible hate psychosis. Can't realize that his fantastic thoughts just aren't liked by others. That's how it is with the mentally disturbed... There's no "hate psychosis" here. (A bit of impatience wating on your credentials in mental health disciplines, however...you continue to make "diagnosis" without a license to practice medicine OR psychiatry...) No problem here on walking or leg useage, working fine. No "lameness." However, poor Stalker must have stepped in something long ago...probably his first set of LIES in here. You have the ultimate lameness, Lennie. You have a hole the size of Lake Erie in your character. That's documented. If you put as much time into fixing it as you did night school, you might actaully be a man someday. No need to hide identities here. I'm still at the same address as given in those Ham Radio magazine articles. You can also send e-mail to the following very valid e-address: I have no doubt you're at the same address. I am sure your IEEE address is valid. I am also sure that a number of "anonymous" posts that pop in here from time to time are your doing, and that it is merely your "force multiplier". You cannot garner any real "support" from people willing to put thier real names to thier posts, so you make them up. (Of course there's Vipul Shah, whose identity had to be drawn out, and there's Brian Burke, whose own "honesty" and current use of a nomme-de-guerre induces it's own confusion...these guys are who you want "rooting" for you...?!?!) I'd expect nothing less from you. You've set your own standard, as low as it is. Please don't whine and snivvel when it's fed back to you, Lennie. You're a victim of your own misconduct. Steve, K4YZ |
In article ,
(Len Over 21) writes: In article , PAMNO (N2EY) writes: In article , (Len Over 21) writes: In article , (N2EY) writes: In article , Robert Casey writes: Hams - old and new - didn't change the exam procedures. Neither did ARRL, NCI, NCVEC or any other ham group. FCC did, because it saved them resources. We aren't going to a system other than multiple-choice published-Q&A-pool exams in the foreseeable future. Just not gonna happen. ANd then there's the question of what knowledge should be expected from applicants anyway. Does it really require more knowledge and skill to operate on 14.167 vs 14.344? More spectrum is simply the reward system in use. It was chosen in large part because it's easy to enforce. Nonsense for the new millennium. That's what you're giving us, Len! Now, now Rev. Jim. You're off on an evangelical Sermon on the Antenna Mount again! Who is this "Rev. Jim" person you keep mentioing, Len? You just didn't answer the question I posed about "enforcement ease." Tsk. tsk. tsk. Yes, I did, Len. Tell us how morse signals are "easier to enforce" than voice signals. Try a few details of how that is done. Why? The separate, elite morsemen-only portions of the ham bands were put there by old morsemen who were able to influence League lobbying. Len, what are "morsemen"? An elite band of beepers stuck in a time warp of yesteryear. Amateurs, of course. So all radio amateurs are morsemen? The rest of the radio world has given up morse code modes for any primary communications. Most other radio services never even considered it! So you think radio amateurs should stop using Morse code? And if you're talking about how the bands got carved up into Extra-only, Advanced-and-Extra-only, and General-and-above subbands, that wasn't an ARRL idea at all. It came from elsewhere. What is this "easy to enforce" nonsense? It's not nonsense at all, Len. So...answer how it is "easy." I'll explain it again. If a ham tries to exceed license privileges by operating on frequencies not licensed to that ham, all that has to be done is measure the operating frequency and identify the source. The FCC reads morse easier than it can voice? [I don't think so] Can the FCC DF on OOK-CW signals "easier" than voice signals? [I don't think so] The easy to enforce *fact* is that it's simple to check the frequency of a signal against the license class. It's not nearly so easy to verify things like power level. Oh, yeah, the Magick of Morse! Applies to all modes. All morsemen are superbly honest and without fault...would not dream of falsifying anything, would they? How could they? When was the last time FCC had to do some enforcement on a ham using Morse code? Hello? Ever hear of audio recorders? Those have been around since WW2. Really. More modern stuff than wire recorders nowadays, old timer. Combine that with modern DF techniques (no rotating loop antennas required) and modern data recorders and ANY signal can be found out. An audio recorder doesn't tell what radio frequency is being used. All of the morsemen's propaganda is just spin to keep their little morse playground. No more, no less. What are you talking about, Len? YOUR spin on morse code. And the Belief System of the Church of St. Hiram. What *are* you talking about, Len? The only Morse-code-only segments of US amateur radio are the lowest 100 kHz of 6 and 2 meters. Open to all hams except Novices. WE weren't talking about "morse code only" stuff, Rev. Jim. Who is "we", Len? [got some bad peyote again? tsk] Never touched the stuff. You sound like ol' Carlos, though. You will be angry and disturbed at such direct language, but, like Ernestine's creator put it..."plbthththt...and that's the absolute truth." :-) And it's as true as what Ernestine says. IOW, what you wrote is absolute nonsense, Len, and the historical records prove it. Yah, yu be all hot and bothered! :-) Not me. SPIN doctoring you do, Rev. Jim, and you don't have the license to practice doctoring. Tsk, tsk. What spin, Len? Besides, why do you want to live in the past so much? Moi? HAH! Yes, you. Who was talking up "T.O.M." olde tymer? YOU were. EIGHTY YEARS AGO. Tsk, tsk, tsk. Still accurate. Since 1990 it has been possible to get any class of US ham license with just a 5 wpm code test and a medical waiver. Since 2000, the only Morse code test left has been the 5 wpm test. So? The morse code test is STILL THERE, isn't it? Sure. Even though the treaty changed over a year ago, and there have been a half-dozen or more petitions asking to drop the code test, FCC hasn't changed anything about it. Why don't you confront Chairman Powell on his blog and ask him why not? Maybe you could call him "Mikey" and tell him how unqualified he is. You could use the same sort of style there as you use here, Len. All U.S. amateur radio licenses with below-30-MHz privileges require passing that morse code test. NOW. Not 14 years ago, not 80 years ago. NOW. We all know that, Len. Why do you repeat the obvious? WHY? Because the FCC says so. Here's a challenge for ya, Len: Lissen up, peyote breath. I guess you can't rise to the challenge, then. You're just here to spout nonsense and abuse. Here's YOUR challenge: Try to go a whole 48 hours of NOT accessing the newsgroup and telling everyone a sermon or preaching that Code Is Good, the Best. Why? Bet you can't do it. :-) Sure I can. In fact I was gone for a lot longer than 48 hours back in April. You can't. Sure I can. But why should I? Just to make you happy? What you want is for opposing opinions to simply shut up. You can't tolerate anyone who disagrees with your cherished beliefs. Even worse for you is when someone proves you are simply wrong about something. You are fixated on Being Here, the Voice of "Truth" about olde-tyme hamme raddio, telling all heretics to your Belief System that they are "wrong," "incorrect," and other indelicate nasties when they don't like Mighty Macho Morse. "Same old, same old crap on the newsgroups when some schmuck can't reply on a subject - just heap abuse on the person doing the replying." "The only variety is the KIND of abuse they use." - From: (Len Over 21) Date: 13 Jul 2004 23:35:34 GMT |
Subject: FCC Morse testing at 16 and 20 WPM
From: (Len Over 21) Date: 7/15/2004 8:41 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: In article , (Stevie Stalker, Mighty Macho Morseman Ethnic Cleanser of Olde Tyme Hamme Raddio using a Fleet Kit) writes: "I am only here to civilly debate the Morse Code test issue" The lies of Lennie Anderson continue. Steve, K4YZ |
Subject: FCC Morse testing at 16 and 20 WPM
From: (Len Over 21) Date: 7/15/2004 8:41 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: In article , (Stevie Stalker, Hamme Raddio Ethnic Cleanser with his Fleet Kit) writes: Subject: FCC Morse testing at 16 and 20 WPM From: (Geoffrey S. Mendelson) Date: 7/15/2004 10:16 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: In article , Len Over 21 wrote: AMATEUR radio long ago CEASED to be a "pool of experienced morse operators" for any national need. The nation does NOT need morse operators, haven't for a long time. That's an intresting point. 9/11 showed the need still exists for experienced radio operators who can communicate under pressure. Morde code is no longer necessary, but a clear voice, understanding a phonetic alphabet, etc is. Geoffrey, you'll notice Lennie interjected "morse" operators, although he does take great liberties with trying to discredit Amatueur Radio at any opportunity. Poor Stalker, still deep in delusional psychosis thinking that all who disagree with Him are "discrediting amateur radio" You did take editorial liberty with the post to add your anti-Amateur spin, Lennie. No other radio service in the USA uses morse code for ANY emergency communications, nor do they do that for primary radio communications purposes. No Public Safety Radio group needs any morse qualifications to do their work. This is NOT any other radio group, Lennie. It's not the Armed Forces. It's not PLMRS. It is not SINCGARS or 1950's Army message centers. Additionally he was in error that stating that "Amateur radio long ago ceased to be a "pool of experienced morse operators" for any national need." No "error." REALITY. Stevie Stalker LIES again, but doesn't understand he does. Tsk. He confuses his fantasy with reality. Bad scene. He need mental help. And conce again we have a non-licensed...in this case mental healtcare provider...rendering yet another unqualified opinion. No fantasy. Amateur Radio remains the most significant "pool" of "trained operators" in the United States, save for the Armed Forces. That includes Morse Code trained persons. Indeed Amateur Radio is the ONLY pool of Morse capable radio operators remaining, the very small contingent of military and SIGINT operators not withstanding. VERY small. The Military Intelligence Center at Fort Huachuca trains signal intercept operators. A few of the MOSs in that school learn International Morse Code from computer programs. Those same trainees also learn to operate a variety of recorders to record those intercepts for later analysis. Just one small facet of MI training. Morse Code will continue for some time to be a necessary skill. Thankfully some in the Armed Forces have been able to recognize that while we've buried ourselves under burdonsome technology, some of our adversaries have quietly gone about keeping things in the KISS mode...And THEY have done thier best to make sure we can have at least some reserve pool of AD personnel who can be called upon to intercept it. On-off keying morse code is falling in the rest of the world. Eventually even they (the U.S. military) will drop that training. They have the recorders and the recorded intercepts if some idiot foreign force wants to use morse...and thus be open to signals attack by just about anyone. Open to attack by just about anyone? It's not the manual OOK that is important, Lennie...It's the message being sent. The Germans used OOK from thier subs, and until we came into possession of an Enigma machine and the requisite code books, their transmissions were just as "secret" as they woul;d have been using any other mode today. AJKKL CDPMQ GCMMN ADAZP DDSZX WTUPA ZPZQY Now...if I transmit those code groups via manual Morse, PSK, encrypted vocie satellite, etc, of what use are they without the code book? And if I can send those code groups to my "agents" with a transmitter hacked together with $50 worth of parts rather than a $3000 manpack that requires an orbiting asset to realy it, And as much as being able to pull "the weak ones" out is a plus, ACCURACY is more important...That's why contests ding you if you miscopy an exchange. Those skills are collateral benefits to emergency communications...Lennie's uninformed opinion and ranting to the contrary. Poor delusional Stalker, still mixing up his hate-filled dystemper of a fantasyland continuum with reality. Tsk. He needs mental help. No, I don't. What I need is to get YOU some help, Lennie. If what Lennie is is being "pro", then I dare say we should take some EXTRA pride in NOT being "pro" ! ! ! ! More delusional Stalker fantasyland hate. Not hate, Lennie. Pity. There are NO Public Safety Radio Services now using morse code in any form for public safety communications. None. And this is NOT a Public Safety Radio Service, now is it? THIS is YOUR "fantasyland", Lennie. You keep trying to make Amateur Radio your puching bag for your own inadequacies and we won't go with the program. So sorry for you. Len Anderson has absolutely ZERO experience in emergency communications, save for what he cuts-and-pastes about CA's ACS system and MARS. Untrue, but trying to convince a delusional psychotic with a gigantic hate complex living in his fantasyland is a non-starter. Poor Stalker needs mental therapy. Not untrue. By your own admission (unless you were lying about that too) you are not involved in any emergency communications program except as an observer. From your posts here it is pretty clear you that you are indeed NOT involved in any program at any level. No experience as an Amateur operator, none in any capacity with any civil or federal program. Untrue. But Stalker will insist that I have none until the last psychotic delusion is ripped from his hate-filled little mind... Oh? WHAT Amateur license HAVE you held, Lennie...?!?! He is not a licensed Amateur, nor is he in any other program affilitated with emergency communications, MARS included. "Sorry, Hans, MARS IS amateur radio!" Hi hi ho ho. Department of Defense Directive 4650.2, effective November 2003 says otherwise. Amateur licensee Stalker says MARS is amateur radio. Just who is the LIE spreader there? You, Leonard...You are. Hint. It isn't DoD. :-) I never thought I'd say that about myself, but unfortuntely it is true. I've tried to get my speed back up to something reasonable and expect that it would take an hour a day for at least a month. In regards to emergency uses, Geoffrey, it's irrelevent. It's nice to have, especially for health and welfare trafficing, but otherwise not necessary. RED ALERT! ALL HANDS TO BATTLE STATIONS! REALITY BROKE OUT! It's been here all along, Lennie. But while you've been so anxious to take each and every opportunity to naysay anything anyone has said that even remotely favors Amateur Radio, you haven't been paying attention to what's being said. There's a psychotic in this forum, Lennie...But it's not me. People who work 9-5 5 days a week may actually be able to do it. I don't (more like noon (or eariler) to 3am). Sure you can! Just one or two QSO's a day will get your speed up in no time, regadless of when you work! I work 7P to 7A three to five days a week, and I am able to KEEP my speed above 20WPM with little effort. There ya go, Stalker. You just keep on beepin...and imagining yourself a big fat Hero of the Homeland for beeping fast. So long, Reality again. Hello fantasy! If what you are is "reality", Lennie, then I would do well to stay in what YOU call "fantasy" Sucks to be you, Putz. Steve, K4YZ |
Subject: FCC Morse testing at 16 and 20 WPM
From: (Len Over 21) Date: 7/15/2004 8:41 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: In article , (Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: FCC Morse testing at 16 and 20 WPM From: PAMNO (N2EY) Date: 7/15/2004 11:44 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: In article , (Len Over 21) writes: Nonsense for the new millennium. That's what you're giving us, Len! Of course it is. Without any practical experience in Amatuer Radio, how could he render an INFORMED opinon on ANYthing having to do with Amateur Radio...??? Riiiiiiight, Stalker. How can ANYONE possibly know anything about anything without being federally licensed in it? I didn't say "licensed", Lennie...I said "experienced". Gosh, in your psychotic fantasyland, amateur radio must be a classified, sensitive, deep dark secret, revealed only to those "eyes only" folks who have been background-checked, right? NOBODY unlicense can possibly know anything at all! Sure they can...if they ahve some sort of practical experience in it... You are neither licensed OR experienced. Not in AMATEUR RADIO. Len, what are "morsemen"? Anything and everything he's not. I'm a retired electronics engineer with a good retirement income. You are an ALLEGED electronics engineer. Some in a position to know your "professional" services directly quantify your skills as "mediocre, at best..." That means a professional. Sunnuvagun! Sure...In the strictest dictionary definition of it. I measure "professionalism" by the opinions of one's peers. You collected a wage. Invested it wisely. Good for you. But you did NOTHING to contibute to "radio". Stalker Stevie a pro? Stalker have a pro kit? Stalker do good yell-yell-murine imitation. Did "seven hostile actions." Never explained that. Might have been done in hum raddio "actions?" Stalker did "combat trianing" in Barstow, CA, murine warehouse and supply depot? Tough duty. Very hostile. Action? Sorry, Lennie. Where did you get "Barstow" from? Barstow and 29Palms are NOT the same facility. The propaganda is coming from the Loser on Lanark. Poor delusional, hate-filled psychotic now wants to go geographic. Tsk. 10048 Lanark Street, Sun Valley, CA. Nice neighborhood. Upscale. Mortgage got paid off fully years ago. Adjoining walled community of 44 homes, one going for $860,000. Adjoining...But not IN... I am sure it is yet one more example of you being on the outside looking in as I am sure you have spent your whole life being "just this side" of where you THINK you belong. I am sure you belong IN a "walled community", but I am sure not the one you think you belong in. And as for that $860K, it gets you a subdivision-sized lot in an HOA controlled enviroment. It gets you a chance to pay taxes in one of the highest taxed states of the Union, along with the highest crime per-capita and Look it up on MapQuest. Know how? [no license required to use MapQuest...] Do some looking of your own...But use Coldwell Banker or Century21...See what that same money will get you outside of Kalifornication. My bet's on the nonsense. That's all he's produced here. Sorry, can't venture into your psychotic fantasyland. Too weird in there. It isn't reality. It is the Twilight Zone pesonified. You've already BEEN in a "psychotic fantasyland". It's called your mind, Lennie. You can't/won't tell the truth and don't live up to your own rhetoric. For YEARS now. Try a different mix of pilfered drugs from the "ER" medicine room next time. And now accusations of theft in order to make yor position even more untenable than it was. Ahhhh, Lennie...What would your $860K gated community neighbors think of you if they could see all of your online misdeeds and misrepresentations...?!?! Steve, K4YZ |
In article , Mike Coslo writes:
More spectrum is simply the reward system in use. It was chosen in large part because it's easy to enforce. Another thought is that at HF frequencies, a inexperienced or poor operator can propagate their signal over the whole world. Under the right conditions, yes. If I were to be making a training ground for amateurs, it would be using line of sight type signals I disagree! The greatest sustained period of growth in US amateur history was from the end of WW2 until the mid-to-late 1980s. From 60,000 hams on VJ day to about 600,000 40 or so years later. And this included a period of almost no growth in the mid 1960s. Through most of that time, the training ground for new US amateurs was predominantly HF. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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In article , PAMNO (N2EY) writes: In article , (Len Over 21) writes: In article , PAMNO (N2EY) writes: More spectrum is simply the reward system in use. It was chosen in large part because it's easy to enforce. Nonsense for the new millennium. That's what you're giving us, Len! Now, now Rev. Jim. You're off on an evangelical Sermon on the Antenna Mount again! You just didn't answer the question I posed about "enforcement ease." Tsk. tsk. tsk. Tell us how morse signals are "easier to enforce" than voice signals. Try a few details of how that is done. That's going to be a problem for Jimmy Who. His claim is illogical. Anyway, I'll be standing by waiting for his answer. BTW, I heard the temperature in hell is falling rapidly. |
Subject: FCC Morse testing at 16 and 20 WPM
From: PAMNO (N2EY) Date: 7/16/2004 6:07 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: In article , (Len Over 21) writes: AMATEUR radio is a hobby, not a national service, not an arm of the United States Navy or the rest of the military, and not a public safety organization. Just a hobby involving radio. It's not "just a hobby". Unfortuantely for Lennie the FACTS are that Amateur Radio DOES provide a service to the nation, that service does, incidentally, benefit the Armed Forces, and is an ever-increasing presence in public service plans at all levels, local to federal. But even if it were, what's the difference? If something is "just a hobby", does that mean there should be no standards, no training, no rules? Only if you're a night-school trained ex radio technician on a mission to berate anyone else who even hints at an interest in radio you deem inferior to your own. AMATEUR radio long ago CEASED to be a "pool of experienced morse operators" for any national need. When did it cease, Len? There's a dozen of us in this forum alone who hold current licensure and who are proficient in Morse Code. Seems like it "ain't over yet" to me... And here's a fun fact: The Basis and Purpose never used the phrase "experienced morse operators". Just "experienced operators" - no mention of modes. That's a LennieRant issue, Jim. Even when the current context DOESN'T include Morse Code, he'll interject it and then claim we (licensees) are the ones obsessed with it. The nation does NOT need morse operators, haven't for a long time. How long? And who said? Was there a Presidential Executive Order? Did Congress ammend the Constitution? Did the FCC and NTIA prohibit the use of Morse Code for thier respective services? Most rewards in the real world have little relationship to the work requested. More spin crappola. Well, at least you're honest about your content ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) I get the feeling there's a LOT of crappola in the Anderson residence. The influential morsemen at the League managed to carve out a separate little morse playground for themselves with all sorts of fatuous phrases of "national need" and "importance of a pool of trained operators" and the FCC caved in to their demands. When was this? And in what alternate universe? "Morse playground"...?!?! There's only two slices of Morse-only spectrum, both are in the VHF range, and were lobbied for by weak signal operators anxious to see a part of the spectrum protected for thier work...Mostly EME and meteor scatter techniques, but the sues are growing. The "pool of trained operators" thing came from FCC, not ARRL. You see it in the home too. Kid asks, "Dad can I borrow the car?" Parent replies, "After you mow the front & back lawn and run the edger." There is absolutely no relationship between the two activities. The kid gets a highly desired reward for work that he/she probably doesn't care to do but does it anyway to get the reward. So, the League is a surrogate parent?!? I don't think so. How many kids have you raised, Len? Including himself? Are all the Amateur Extras surrogate parents now? I don't think so. You aren't. But that's what he perceives himself as... Dee, quit this infernal nattering about "parentage" and ham radio. Why, Len? Because it's really quite an accurate analogy? It makes Lennie nervous. He shot blanks all his life, and now any discussion of kids get's him wound up. That's why he wanted to exert some "parental control" over younger licensees with that age limit crap. Quit trying to sound off like you've got an influential pair. Pair of what, Len? What ever they are, I bet Lennie doesn't have a pair of them...Maybe a pair of slippers or glasses...Nothing else. You aren't a radioactive au pair and this ain't the Children's Hour (even is some of the other extras act like children). The most childish performance I see here is yours, Len. Just face the reality of the matter. Morsemen got their little CW playground and should be happy. What *are* you talking about, Len? Professional communicators they ain't, even if they want, desperately, to be oh, so very pro. If you're an example of "professional communicator", than I'm glad to be an amateur. So V E R Y glad! 73 Steve, K4YZ |
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(William) writes: (Len Over 21) wrote in message ... In article , (N2EY) writes: In article , (Len Over 21) writes: In article , PAMNO (N2EY) writes: More spectrum is simply the reward system in use. It was chosen in large part because it's easy to enforce. Nonsense for the new millennium. That's what you're giving us, Len! Now, now Rev. Jim. You're off on an evangelical Sermon on the Antenna Mount again! You just didn't answer the question I posed about "enforcement ease." Tsk. tsk. tsk. Tell us how morse signals are "easier to enforce" than voice signals. Try a few details of how that is done. That's going to be a problem for Jimmy Who. His claim is illogical. Anyway, I'll be standing by waiting for his answer. BTW, I heard the temperature in hell is falling rapidly. Don't expect miracles. Not in the answer or the environment of hell. LHA / WMD |
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Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: FCC Morse testing at 16 and 20 WPM From: PAMNO (N2EY) Date: 7/16/2004 6:07 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: In article , (Len Over 21) writes: AMATEUR radio is a hobby, not a national service, not an arm of the United States Navy or the rest of the military, and not a public safety organization. Just a hobby involving radio. It's not "just a hobby". Unfortuantely for Lennie the FACTS are that Amateur Radio DOES provide a service to the nation, that service does, incidentally, benefit the Armed Forces, and is an ever-increasing presence in public service plans at all levels, local to federal. Wow! Da gunnery nurse DID put on his best Class As and pose for another recruiting poster! "The Amateur Corps wants YOU! unca sam pointing finger " "The Few, the Very Proud, the United States Amateur Corps!" Riiiiight. All over America the recruiters are attending ham club meetings, shaking hands with members and urging them to fill a vital need in their military branches with Mighty Macho Morsemen from the 5th service branch, hum raddio. Salute! But even if it were, what's the difference? If something is "just a hobby", does that mean there should be no standards, no training, no rules? Only if you're a night-school trained ex radio technician on a mission to berate anyone else who even hints at an interest in radio you deem inferior to your own. Tsk, tsk, tsk. Da gunnery nurse is spitting and spluttering again. Foam at the mouth. Seizures next? Not a pretty sight. AMATEUR radio long ago CEASED to be a "pool of experienced morse operators" for any national need. When did it cease, Len? There's a dozen of us in this forum alone who hold current licensure and who are proficient in Morse Code. Wow! I'll bet NO ONE has as pretty a set of dress blues as da gunnery nurse dill sergeant of the Amateur Corps! Must wear white gloves when busy beeping. Seems like it "ain't over yet" to me... Any time now... :-) And here's a fun fact: The Basis and Purpose never used the phrase "experienced morse operators". Just "experienced operators" - no mention of modes. That's a LennieRant issue, Jim. Even when the current context DOESN'T include Morse Code, he'll interject it and then claim we (licensees) are the ones obsessed with it. You are. QED. :-) The nation does NOT need morse operators, haven't for a long time. How long? And who said? Was there a Presidential Executive Order? Did Congress ammend the Constitution? Did the FCC and NTIA prohibit the use of Morse Code for thier respective services? Poor nursie still living in his fantasy world. Tsk, tsk. He doesn't get out beyond checking out "paid services," I guess. Even maritime radio has gone over to SSB voice and data modes for open-ocean communications. That and satellite relay. NO other radio service besides amateur radio uses any morse code modes for communications. Most rewards in the real world have little relationship to the work requested. More spin crappola. Well, at least you're honest about your content ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) I get the feeling there's a LOT of crappola in the Anderson residence. Which residence? :-) The influential morsemen at the League managed to carve out a separate little morse playground for themselves with all sorts of fatuous phrases of "national need" and "importance of a pool of trained operators" and the FCC caved in to their demands. When was this? And in what alternate universe? "Morse playground"...?!?! There's only two slices of Morse-only spectrum, both are in the VHF range, and were lobbied for by weak signal operators anxious to see a part of the spectrum protected for thier work...Mostly EME and meteor scatter techniques, but the sues are growing. "Sues?" There's litigation about VHF and up? Oh, my! Those lawyers are into everything, aren't they? So, the League is a surrogate parent?!? I don't think so. How many kids have you raised, Len? Including himself? Ham radio is all about raising children? Good heavens, I thought ham radio was all about preserving the morse modes forever and ever! One learns something every day! Ham radio is all about Raising Children! Are all the Amateur Extras surrogate parents now? I don't think so. You aren't. But that's what he perceives himself as... Dee, quit this infernal nattering about "parentage" and ham radio. Why, Len? Because it's really quite an accurate analogy? It makes Lennie nervous. He shot blanks all his life, and now any discussion of kids get's him wound up. That's why he wanted to exert some "parental control" over younger licensees with that age limit crap. Tsk, tsk, tsk. I didn't "shoot blanks all my life." My children are not a subject of discussion in here. They are all physically and mentally normal. Quit trying to sound off like you've got an influential pair. Pair of what, Len? What ever they are, I bet Lennie doesn't have a pair of them...Maybe a pair of slippers or glasses...Nothing else. Tsk, tsk. No humor among the PCTA. [cut to scene of military post and assembly after reveille...female first- soldier starts calling roll, shouts "sound off like you got a pair!"] Nursie thinks licentiousness (not licensure) is an okay side for hams. [see other posting of his, the one where he gets angry about "Neil" and Dubya] If you're an example of "professional communicator", than I'm glad to be an amateur. So V E R Y glad! Tsk. The less-than-half-a-year "electronics purchasing agent" couldn't cut it. Only civilian "electronics job" he ever had. Poor guy. Well, there's always night school for nursie. :-) LHA / WMD |
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(N2EY) writes: In article , (Len Over 21) writes: In article , "Dee D. Flint" Mama Dee speaking to her children writes: "N2EY" wrote in message ... In article , Robert Casey writes: Hams - old and new - didn't change the exam procedures. Neither did ARRL, NCI, NCVEC or any other ham group. FCC did, because it saved them resources. We aren't going to a system other than multiple-choice published-Q&A-pool exams in the foreseeable future. Just not gonna happen. ANd then there's the question of what knowledge should be expected from applicants anyway. Does it really require more knowledge and skill to operate on 14.167 vs 14.344? More spectrum is simply the reward system in use. It was chosen in large part because it's easy to enforce. Not only was it easy to enforce but it was selected because it was a desireable enough reward that people would put in the training to get it. Utter nonsense, Mama Dee. Spin-like rationalization. That's a good description of what you post here, Len ;-) ;-) ;-) Only to the PCTA. The PCTA live for such spin. They try to literally live it. AMATEUR radio is a hobby, not a national service, not an arm of the United States Navy or the rest of the military, and not a public safety organization. Just a hobby involving radio. It's not "just a hobby". For some it IS a lifestyle. Their problem, not the governments. So, amateur radio is NOT a hobby? Prove its vital need to the nation as a national service or an arm of the military or a public safety organization. The FCC hasn't proved that. Only the ham-lifestylers try to prove that. They NEED the rationalization. But even if it were, what's the difference? If something is "just a hobby", does that mean there should be no standards, no training, no rules? Tsk, tsk. Arguing to extemes again? The FCC isn't chartered to do "training" for radio hams. The FCC doesn't really "set standards," only sets regulations. AMATEUR radio long ago CEASED to be a "pool of experienced morse operators" for any national need. When did it cease, Len? Long ago. :-) Find all the military morsemen "needs" you can. That be easy, as there are no such needs. Find all the commercial communications services you can, count the "needs" for morsemen. Very few and those be on the Great Lakes shipping. And here's a fun fact: The Basis and Purpose never used the phrase "experienced morse operators". Just "experienced operators" - no mention of modes. The nation does NOT need morse operators, haven't for a long time. How long? Long time. :-) Most rewards in the real world have little relationship to the work requested. More spin crappola. Well, at least you're honest about your content ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) Tsk, tsk. Not nice. Rather nasty comment for a portentious revered one of the Great Gurus of the newsgrope. The influential morsemen at the League managed to carve out a separate little morse playground for themselves with all sorts of fatuous phrases of "national need" and "importance of a pool of trained operators" and the FCC caved in to their demands. When was this? And in what alternate universe? In the present universe. Those who are busy spinning can't believe it. The "pool of trained operators" thing came from FCC, not ARRL. No kidding? I thought you thought the ARRL regulated all things in ham radio. Learn somethin' every day! Sunnuvagun! You see it in the home too. Kid asks, "Dad can I borrow the car?" Parent replies, "After you mow the front & back lawn and run the edger." There is absolutely no relationship between the two activities. The kid gets a highly desired reward for work that he/she probably doesn't care to do but does it anyway to get the reward. So, the League is a surrogate parent?!? I don't think so. How many kids have you raised, Len? On July 4th, two of them. :-) What? Everyone applying for a ham license nowadays have to bring a medical certificate for a sperm count?!? Do they have to show birth certificates of their offspring too? My word, the rules have really become tuff! Are all the Amateur Extras surrogate parents now? I don't think so. You aren't. Haven't pretended to be, Rev. Jim. You ARE going to misdirect into some "parenting" argument, aren't you? [your sort of newsgrope tactic] Dee, quit this infernal nattering about "parentage" and ham radio. Why, Len? Because it's really quite an accurate analogy? Who said it is "accurate?" You ham lifestylers really get too, too deep into it. Quit trying to sound off like you've got an influential pair. Pair of what, Len? Brain halves. You aren't a radioactive au pair and this ain't the Children's Hour (even is some of the other extras act like children). The most childish performance I see here is yours, Len. Then you don't see at all well. Visit an eye doctor for a checkup. Poor baby. I upset your little session with butt-in buddy, the Stalker? Just face the reality of the matter. Morsemen got their little CW playground and should be happy. What *are* you talking about, Len? The LOWER parts of the HF bands. Professional communicators they ain't, even if they want, desperately, to be oh, so very pro. If you're an example of "professional communicator", than I'm glad to be an amateur. You are NOT a professional communicator. LHA / WMD |
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Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: FCC Morse testing at 16 and 20 WPM From: (Len Over 21) Date: 7/15/2004 8:41 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: In article , (Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: FCC Morse testing at 16 and 20 WPM From: PAMNO (N2EY) Date: 7/15/2004 11:44 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: In article , (Len Over 21) writes: Nonsense for the new millennium. That's what you're giving us, Len! Of course it is. Without any practical experience in Amatuer Radio, how could he render an INFORMED opinon on ANYthing having to do with Amateur Radio...??? Riiiiiiight, Stalker. How can ANYONE possibly know anything about anything without being federally licensed in it? I didn't say "licensed", Lennie...I said "experienced". Gosh, in your psychotic fantasyland, amateur radio must be a classified, sensitive, deep dark secret, revealed only to those "eyes only" folks who have been background-checked, right? NOBODY unlicense can possibly know anything at all! Sure they can...if they ahve some sort of practical experience in it... Illogical. To have "practical experience" in amateur radio REQUIRES an amateur license. Those without that magick license "cannot have any practical experience in it." [Stalker stated that] Bottom line is that Stalker doesn't know what the hell he is talking about. U.S. amateur radio is open for observation to anyone...on the air, in print, in person to the public. Stalker is trying vainly to prove that those without licenses cannot know anything at all about radio. That's absolutely false, a LIE of bright magnitude, but he can't stop. Tsk. You are neither licensed OR experienced. Not in AMATEUR RADIO. Len, what are "morsemen"? Anything and everything he's not. I'm a retired electronics engineer with a good retirement income. You are an ALLEGED electronics engineer. Sigh. Poor nursie can't help herself with all the insults. :-) Riiiiiight...I have alleged resumes, alleged history in the alleged industry, an alleged patent, alleged schooling with alleged skin from an alleged sheep, know alleged hams who have alleged ham licenses longer than nursie has allegedly lived. Not only that, the alleged IRS and alleged tax board and alleged government agencies all allegedly believe I allegedly did all that. The alleged bank keeps track of all the alleged income I allegedly made, taking in the alleged social security check allegely electornically. Not only that, I was once a long-time member of Joe Sheppard's The Ledge BBS! Some in a position to know your "professional" services directly quantify your skills as "mediocre, at best..." A LIE, nursie. Bald-faced, out and out LIE. You don't know squat about the electronics industry or military electronics or civilian electronics other than reading about ham radio in QST. YOU DON'T KNOW. Now YOU produce those NAMES of the "some" you ALLEGE "know." You can't because they DON'T EXIST. They are a fermentation of your hate-filled obsessional, delusional psychosis in here. Get some mental therapy. From a real shrink. It will help everyone, even yourself. Pbththththth. LHA / WMD |
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Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: FCC Morse testing at 16 and 20 WPM From: (Len Over 21) Date: 7/15/2004 8:41 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: In article , (Stevie Stalker, Hamme Raddio Ethnic Cleanser with his Fleet Kit) writes: Subject: FCC Morse testing at 16 and 20 WPM From: (Geoffrey S. Mendelson) Date: 7/15/2004 10:16 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: In article , Len Over 21 wrote: AMATEUR radio long ago CEASED to be a "pool of experienced morse operators" for any national need. The nation does NOT need morse operators, haven't for a long time. That's an intresting point. 9/11 showed the need still exists for experienced radio operators who can communicate under pressure. Morde code is no longer necessary, but a clear voice, understanding a phonetic alphabet, etc is. Geoffrey, you'll notice Lennie interjected "morse" operators, although he does take great liberties with trying to discredit Amatueur Radio at any opportunity. Poor Stalker, still deep in delusional psychosis thinking that all who disagree with Him are "discrediting amateur radio" You did take editorial liberty with the post to add your anti-Amateur spin, Lennie. No "spin." A direct reply to a hate-filled delusional psychotic obsessed with trying to "get" certain others is NOT an indictment against all amateurs. No other radio service in the USA uses morse code for ANY emergency communications, nor do they do that for primary radio communications purposes. No Public Safety Radio group needs any morse qualifications to do their work. This is NOT any other radio group, Lennie. It's not the Armed Forces. It's not PLMRS. It is not SINCGARS or 1950's Army message centers. Neither is this "group" qualified about national politics or space travel or exploration (except me)...but that doesn't stop the fantasyland Stalker from making words about those things. You know nothing about armed forces radio communications. You know nothing about Private Land Mobile Radio Service. You know nothing about SINCGARS or any Army communications facilities of the 1950s. You MUST mention all of those to avoid being reminded that you know so little of anything beyond amateurism. Additionally he was in error that stating that "Amateur radio long ago ceased to be a "pool of experienced morse operators" for any national need." No "error." REALITY. Stevie Stalker LIES again, but doesn't understand he does. Tsk. He confuses his fantasy with reality. Bad scene. He need mental help. And conce again we have a non-licensed...in this case mental healtcare provider...rendering yet another unqualified opinion. NOBODY needs "qualification certificates" to see your obsession and stalking with all the mouthing off of snit against those you don't like. You're nuts. Aberrant. Whacko. No fantasy. Right. Real life. Right here. You're nuts with obsessional hate. VERY small. The Military Intelligence Center at Fort Huachuca trains signal intercept operators. A few of the MOSs in that school learn International Morse Code from computer programs. Those same trainees also learn to operate a variety of recorders to record those intercepts for later analysis. Just one small facet of MI training. Morse Code will continue for some time to be a necessary skill. Only in your fantasyland dreaming. Thankfully some in the Armed Forces have been able to recognize that while we've buried ourselves under burdonsome technology, some of our adversaries have quietly gone about keeping things in the KISS mode...And THEY have done thier best to make sure we can have at least some reserve pool of AD personnel who can be called upon to intercept it. More imaginary bull****. Again, you don't name names and talk only in generalities. That's because you have NO experience in military electronics R&D or contracts administration nor in planning...not in the labs, not in the field, not even in the history of military radio. Huachuca trains intercept operators on whatever is needed. Computer programs for teaching morse code cognition don't depend on human morsemen to "teach" anything. On-off keying morse code is falling in the rest of the world. Eventually even they (the U.S. military) will drop that training. They have the recorders and the recorded intercepts if some idiot foreign force wants to use morse...and thus be open to signals attack by just about anyone. Open to attack by just about anyone? The term "attack" in cryptography means to begin decipherment or the act of decipherment. Word has been around a long time. It's not the manual OOK that is important, Lennie...It's the message being sent. The Germans used OOK from thier subs, and until we came into possession of an Enigma machine and the requisite code books, their transmissions were just as "secret" as they woul;d have been using any other mode today. More bull**** from the very UNqualified "military communications" non- guru. Quit cutting and pasting from old WW2 stories. The Brits broke Enigma early in WW2. NOBODY broke the U.S. rotor system implemented in the "Sigaba" teleprinters. NOBODY worthwhile is using "code books" in this day and age. At best, they might use "one-time pads." Nobody HAS to. The encryption-decryption can be done in firmware, in a microcontroller. It's done daily in millions of cell phones. "Burdensome technology?!?" For a single IC stuck on a PC board? Produces and deciphers to a very long key and is essentially very hard to break. 128-bit encryption-decryption is regularly done in Internet browser software. For all intents and purposes it is as secure as needs be. On-line cryptography is NOT "burdensome" today. It occurs millions of times a day around the world. Only the severe paranoiacs go berserk at the thought of it. It is secure enough for its purpose. AJKKL CDPMQ GCMMN ADAZP DDSZX WTUPA ZPZQY Now...if I transmit those code groups via manual Morse, PSK, encrypted vocie satellite, etc, of what use are they without the code book? "Vocie?" [a new mode? :-) ] Of what use is that "code book?" About the LAST time the U.S. military used "code books" was in North Africa around 1942-1943. A State Department code book, used by an Army major who knew military tactics but nothing about cryptography. German field cryptologists routinely broke his reports. He never knew. And if I can send those code groups to my "agents" with a transmitter hacked together with $50 worth of parts rather than a $3000 manpack that requires an orbiting asset to realy it, Riiiiight...you've been reading too many morse romance novels again, haven't you? :-) Riiiiiight...."hacking together" a super-secret raddio for HF that uses "unbreakable" morse code. :-) For only $50 worth of parts. Right. In your dreams, delusional one. All that kind of nonsense ended with WW2. No wonder you never got any real military commo experience. Not even when you learned to stencil those boxes correctly. By your own admission (unless you were lying about that too) you are not involved in any emergency communications program except as an observer. Incorrect. Try 1994. January. From your posts here it is pretty clear you that you are indeed NOT involved in any program at any level. Right. All our phones here have 911 capability. :-) What is the Stalker going to do? "Airborne his CAP asset" and relay super-secret HF morse from his "agents?!?" But while you've been so anxious to take each and every opportunity to naysay anything anyone has said that even remotely favors Amateur Radio, you haven't been paying attention to what's being said. There's a psychotic in this forum, Lennie...But it's not me. Crazy folks won't admit they are crazy. :-) Basic rule found in any undergraduate psychology course. There ya go, Stalker. You just keep on beepin...and imagining yourself a big fat Hero of the Homeland for beeping fast. So long, Reality again. Hello fantasy! If what you are is "reality", Lennie, then I would do well to stay in what YOU call "fantasy" Sucks to be you, Putz. Tsk. The Stalker put away is Amateur Corps Class A uniform and the recruiting posters for the United States Amateur Corps ("A few good men...") and lapsed into his hate-filled snarliness mode. Well, Stalker IS a representative of top-of-the-line amateur radio licensee. All the PCTA love him. He be Tuff and Loud. Yell-Yell alla time. LHA / WMD |
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Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: FCC Morse testing at 16 and 20 WPM From: (Len Over 21) Date: 7/15/2004 8:41 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: In article , (Stevie Stalker, Mighty Macho Morseman Ethnic Cleanser of Olde Tyme Hamme Raddio using a Fleet Kit) writes: "I am only here to civilly debate the Morse Code test issue" The lies of Lennie Anderson continue. "Lies" only in nursie's fantasyland. Poor nursie. LHA / WMD |
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Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: FCC Morse testing at 16 and 20 WPM From: (Len Over 21) Date: 7/15/2004 8:41 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: In article , (Stevie Stalker, Ethnic Cleanser of Olde Tyme Hamme Raddio) writes: A nickle says Lennie the Lame found yet another anonymous server to hide behind. If not, it's someone he's slept with. Poor Stalker making LIES again. Tsk, tsk. Not a lie, Lennie...A bet. With whom? One of your other personalities? Poor obsessed, delusional nursie. Can't imagine that anyone else doesn't like the Stalking Mighty Macho Morseman. Thinks all who say negative to nursie are all pseudonyms of me. That's nutso-ville. Aberrant delusional psychosis. Whacko-land. Poor nursie would snit iffen he ever discovered there's NO Internet out there...his computer is making all this up!!! :-) Beep, beep. LHA / WMD |
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