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In article , "Dee D. Flint"
writes: "William" wrote in message . com... PAMNO (N2EY) wrote in message ... The important question is, who is the best judge of what the requirements should be? The newcomer or the experienced ham? 73 de Jim, N2EY Jim, many experienced amateurs have spoken agains the continued use of the Morse Code as a filter. You ignore them, or say they must be wrong. Luckily, hams don't decide, necomer or otherwise. The FCC does, and they see merit in the reasonable arguments put forth by those experienced hams. Best of Luck Please post the URLs of the surveys to back up your claim. How "many?" Is it a majority or is it just a vocal minority? So far the FCC has done nothing with the innumerable petitions nor have the acted unilaterally to implement the change now allowed by the international treaty. At this point it is premature to say that the FCC sees merit in either side of the question. Any intelligent person doesn't consider it a filter. It is simply a useful element of ham radio that should be maintained. Some of the people against using it as a filter are for keeping it as a part of the ham's required knowledge. |
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In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: FCC Morse testing at 16 and 20 WPM From: "Dee D. Flint" Date: 7/17/2004 10:32 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: "N2EY" wrote in message ... [snip] The important question is, who is the best judge of what the requirements should be? The newcomer or the experienced ham? That is the very crux of the problem. Somehow too many have lost sight of the fact that those with experience should be the ones to define the requirements. But it also needs to be the RIGHT experience. Lennie the Liar has a lot of "experience" in SOME radio matters, but zero-point-zero percent of it is as an Amateur Radio licensee. Also zero-point-zero experience in "emergency communications". His "traffic handling" experience was as a radio clerk in the Army in the FIFTIES, and his experience in practical avionics goes back to his days as a STUDENT (never licensed) pilot back when Lear organ-grinder radios were the "state of the art". Would you want HIM making binding decisions for you in regards to Amateur Radio policy? When Lennie discusses matters of technical interest I sit up and pay attention...but that's ALL people like him CAN talk about. I know people like him in my professional life too...people who can recite the textbooks and history annals inside and out...but don't have a valid clue as to HOW to apply what they know. People like that are dangerous. 73 Steve, K4YZ |
In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: FCC Morse testing at 16 and 20 WPM From: (William) Date: 7/17/2004 9:50 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: (Len Over 21) wrote in message ... In article , (Steve Some in a position to know your "professional" services directly quantify your skills as "mediocre, at best..." A LIE, nursie. Bald-faced, out and out LIE. Lennie, you can keep repeating that until you die, but it will not make it any less true. Believe it or not, not everyone in your "profession" was enamored with your knowledge and skill. They certainly weren't enamored with your personality. Perhaps if you had stepped off of your self-grandizing pedestal once in a while...?!?! You don't know squat about the electronics industry or military electronics or civilian electronics other than reading about ham radio in QST. YOU DON'T KNOW. I know more than you care to acknowledge, but that's OK by me. Now YOU produce those NAMES of the "some" you ALLEGE "know." Nope. They spoke to me on assurance that I'd guard thier confidentiality. That they were career engineers at NADC and had occassion to "know" you is adequate enough. You can't because they DON'T EXIST. They are a fermentation of your hate-filled obsessional, delusional psychosis in here. Again, you may continue to make that assertion over and over but it will not make it true. There is nothing "hate-filled" or "obsessional" about having taken the time to do some research on some of the references YOU provided. I just lucked up on the right people. Should have kept your mouth shut, Lennie. You set your own trap. Get some mental therapy. From a real shrink. You mean YOUR "evaluation" wasn't adequate...?!?! Your "experience" in psychiatry is invalid...?!?! Say it isn't so! It will help everyone, even yourself. What would "help" here, Lennie, is if you would take it upon yourself to act your age, stop making assertions and proclamations that are easy to prove wrong, and actually DO the things you claim you are going to do. Pbththththth. My point is made. Thanks for doing it for me. Len, he's a freak. Stay away. "Danger Will Robinson. Danger!" And PuppetBoy chimes in... |
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In article , (William) writes: (Len Over 21) wrote in message ... That's nutso-ville. Aberrant delusional psychosis. Whacko-land. Yep. He have Big Drama in head. Poor nursie must think we are Ebert & Roeper who just gave him two "thumbs down" early Sunday evening on national TV. :-) "Stepford Hams." Not an original idea at all. |
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"N2EY" wrote in message ... In article , Mike Coslo writes: More spectrum is simply the reward system in use. It was chosen in large part because it's easy to enforce. Another thought is that at HF frequencies, a inexperienced or poor operator can propagate their signal over the whole world. Under the right conditions, yes. If I were to be making a training ground for amateurs, it would be using line of sight type signals I disagree! The greatest sustained period of growth in US amateur history was from the end of WW2 until the mid-to-late 1980s. From 60,000 hams on VJ day to about 600,000 40 or so years later. And this included a period of almost no growth in the mid 1960s. Through most of that time, the training ground for new US amateurs was predominantly HF. 73 de Jim, N2EY I agree with Jim's historical view. The advent of reliable VHF/UHF with digital readouts and digital frequency selection at reasonable prices is what ultimately opened up the significant amateur use at VHF and above. The addition of repeaters also contibuted greatly to the VHF UHF increase in operations. Cheers, Bill K2UNK |
"N2EY" wrote in message ... In article , Mike Coslo writes: N2EY wrote: In article , Mike Coslo writes: Did you highlight the right answers or black out the wrong ones? Neither! Impressive. When I was preparing for the old Extra test (pre-April 2000) all I did was keep retaking the QRZ.COM practice tests until I consistently got 90% or better. I actually started getting concictently at 100%. Continued taking the online tests. For every question I got wrong on the tests, I researched out the answer. Sources were reference books and the 'net. Yep. Continued until I scored 100 percent pretty consistently. And the actual test was a breeze, right? Wasn't too bad. Of course you passed. When I took the actual test, I thinkI completed it in less than 10 minutes and handed it in. What you did was to 'study the test'. Which isn't "wrong" or illegal, despite what some may rant about it. You did what worked for you, within the rules. Here's the thing, Jim. I can still remember the right answers. So did I learn the material? Maybe. If you were given a new exam on the same material that used completely different questions and answers, could you pass it? If so, then you know the material. Given the subject material at the time and my lack of any specific use of much of that material since, I'm not sure how I'd do. Answers to questions on space operations (FCC notification intervals), licensing and VE testing rules, etc. don't stay with most people unless they have reason to need that knowledge. Additionally, rules and regs can and do change as we all know...so band edges, especially mode restrictions within a specific band (e.g. novice sub-bands) change over time. *If* you only care about right answers rather than understanding. Not really. I saw a electrician licensing test book with question pool recently. Lives depend on the electrician doing safe and proper work. and they are depending on the Electrician knowing. But someone cannot become a licensed electrician by written tests alone. There are extensive practical tests and experience requirements as well, and several levels of licensing. IIRC, here in PA it takes 9000 hours of documented work experience under the supervision of a licensed electrician to be licensed at the highest level. Sure, but if you flunk the test, question pool and all, then you aren't an electrician. 9000 hours of training aside. Point is, if you pass the test but don;t have the 9000 hours you aren't an electrician either. True, but No similar "time in grade" applies to ham licensing. (SNIP) Cheers, Bill K2UNK |
N2EY wrote: In article , Mike Coslo writes: N2EY wrote: In article , Mike Coslo writes: Did you highlight the right answers or black out the wrong ones? Neither! Impressive. Well, there wasn't much point in going through the motions unless I was actually going to learn something. Just the way I'm put together. Continued taking the online tests. For every question I got wrong on the tests, I researched out the answer. Sources were reference books and the 'net. Yep. Continued until I scored 100 percent pretty consistently. And the actual test was a breeze, right? Wasn't too bad. Of course you passed. What you did was to 'study the test'. Which isn't "wrong" or illegal, despite what some may rant about it. You did what worked for you, within the rules. Here's the thing, Jim. I can still remember the right answers. So did I learn the material? Maybe. If you were given a new exam on the same material that used completely different questions and answers, could you pass it? If so, then you know the material. Yup, I could. *If* you only care about right answers rather than understanding. Not really. I saw a electrician licensing test book with question pool recently. Lives depend on the electrician doing safe and proper work. and they are depending on the Electrician knowing. But someone cannot become a licensed electrician by written tests alone. There are extensive practical tests and experience requirements as well, and several levels of licensing. IIRC, here in PA it takes 9000 hours of documented work experience under the supervision of a licensed electrician to be licensed at the highest level. Sure, but if you flunk the test, question pool and all, then you aren't an electrician. 9000 hours of training aside. Point is, if you pass the test but don;t have the 9000 hours you aren't an electrician either. Equal results, eh? For example, I could ask: - Which of the following are blunatrons? (Flufnagles, zinthorps, calinars, rhenotors) A) Fluffnagles and rhenotors only B) Zinthorps only C) Calinars and zinthorps only D) Calinars, zinthorps and fluffnagles (Of course the correct answer is C) Your not going to catch me in a trick question, Mr. Micollis! Zinthorps only exist at a temperature of absolute zero, and even then it's only a theory!.......... Doesn't matter because the question pool committee has determined that C is the correct answer. Note that there is no answer which reads "Calinars only". Besides, you should know by now that a new type of superconducting nanotechnology zinthorp has been developed that is real, not theory. Impractical now because of the requirements for liquid helium cooling but in a few years, who knows? Now, if you remember that calinars and zinthorps are blunatrons but fluffnagles and rhenotors aren't, you'll always get the question right. But do you really understand anything about blunatrons? There was an old song called "Patches" that you may recall from high school days. Man is remembering how tough he had it as a kid. Among the folks I grew up with, we still use the line "And then the rains came, and washed all the crops away" whenever somebody starts geezering. hehe, I used to do a good rendition of the line after that - "And at the age of thirteen, I felt I had the weight of the whooole world on my shoulders" 8^) "And Mama knew what I was going through..." That's the one! It's particularly effective when someone is going on and one about something like how tough it was to find a parking space, or how long the line at Starbucks was this morning, That's how the Republican party got started isn't it? ;^) Exactly. and three people do it, one taking each line... "in harmony" If the test administrator looks like Heidi Klum, or if I get to be *her* test administrator, I'll volunteer to put the system throuigh its paces. Heck, I'll sign up for two weeks...... I've got dibs on Ms. Klum if she ever needs a ham radio instructor. Nice lass. Can you believe I had to look her up on the web? You must not pay attention to the magazine racks in the supermarket checkout line... Ahh, there it is. I probably go in a grocery store about once every two years Big problem is the name. I keep thinking of the old story of "Heidi", although the real one bears no resemblance!! I also claim dibs on Molly Sims... I can understand that. Just don't get too greedy here! 8^) - Mike KB3EIA - |
In article , PAMNO
(N2EY) writes: By whom? What "whom?" Living in the past again, I see.... No. For tomorrow. Been in the past. Then he shouldn't be making the rules for it...right? RIGHT! :-) What did you do back then, Len? Already told you. And why are you still living in the past? 1994 was TEN YEARS AGO ;-) ;-) How perceptive! 2004 - 1994 = 10! Marvelous. You didn't have to take off your shoes to prove it! :-) How is it wrong? Anything said against your opinions is automatically WRONG. Ho hum. MOS 281.6 - Microwave Radio Relay Operations and Service Supervisor plus brevet MOSs of Fixed Station Transmitter Operations and Service, Carrier Systems Operations and Service. [the "point-6" in that old MOS numbering is the indicator of supervisory duties which I had as an E-5 S/Sgt] 1953 to 1956. "Three up and one down" after just 2 1/2 years. Earned. So? That was your *job*, wasn't it, Len? Assignment. [get with military nomenclature...] What's interesting is that you don;t mention that there were more than 700 *other* people at ADA when you were there... Yes, at Transmitters (Camp Tomlinson), Receivers (Camp Owada), Control, Tape Relay at Chuo Kogyo (later inside North Camp Drake). Eugene Rosenbaum was one of the Transmitters assignees. I've mentioned him before, also SFC Don Ross (Maintenance NCO, had all commercial and top ham licenses of that time), Capt William P. Boss, OIC (Officer In Charge) of Transmitters (ham license). Gene has a ham license, lives in Long Island, NY, he and wife just got back from a European tour. I don't mention the photographic detachment either (for about two decades later the photo people were also categorized as part of Signal Corps). Photo wasn't involved in radio communications. So...did you work at all those places or just talk about them? Yes, I worked IN and AT all those things. Are you the new security chief of the personnel department? Feel free to write all those companies and check up. Here's a bird...I flip it to you... Were you in sole charge, or part of a much larger team? I never worked in a shoe company, "in charge of soles." Pbthbthbth... What company does Rev. Jim work for? Choo-choo factory? With over 700 people, when you were there. Yet you don't mention the team, just yourself. Interesting, very interesting. About 700 in the Batalion at four different sites and with three different billets. I've RE-mentioned the people I mentioned before; see above. I've also mentioned Jim Brendage, a civilian engineer (DAC) whom I've been in contact with much later (retired, lives in CA) plus some USAF people. USAF took over responsibility of the ADA facilities in 1963 as part of Army downsizing in Central Honshu. I could mention lots of others but they don't have the beloved ham license yet continued to operate and maintain facilities without it or any need for morsemanship. I find it supremely interesting that you don't know a damn thing about HF communications other than ham radio and what you are spoon- fed by QST and the league. And they manage quite well without you, Len. That's the way the system is organized. It works. So? So sue if ya don't like it. :-) How is that relevant to amateur radio? Nothing amateurish about it. You're not the FCC, Len. You are not the FCC either. So? Actually, there are a few hams at FCC, making the rules and recommendations about those rules. Not required in their Statement of Work. Didn't you read yours? More importantly, those folks are professional regulatory people. You're not. You sure as hell aren't a "professional regulator!" You're just a wanna-be regulator. Riiiiiight...keep the beepers in charge of hum raddio...those mighty macho morsemen keeping the airwaves pristine with the musick of morse as they did in the old, old days. Archaic Radio Service, the ARS of yeasteryear! [all rise...] Sounds like you are jealous, Len. Sounds like you've got NO sense of humor when you be tweaked. Poor baby. A wanna-be regulator and can't control your steam. Just a spectator. No. One of a team, several teams. Doing work. Making things happen. Making a bit of money, too. Just another groundpounder. Heck, even I can use the lingo. But you keep reliving the past, leaving out the important details. "Groundpounder?" That's a military term. You never served. Try not to be a wanna-be sojer too. Not nice. Let's see...a fella who doesn't know squat about military comms comes in here all filthy-languaged with sexual inuendo and tells all "I never did what I said I did." I then describe (again) what I did and where, both in military work and civilian work and he still calls it wrong. Now you come in here thinking "you speak the lingo" and say it was all no good, "living in the past." You don't know squat about aerospace, Spaceman Spiff. [your cartoon quit a decade ago] It is. But you're just a spectator there, too. Yes. So? You seem to have lost touch with the issue in here...the creation reason issue being the retention or elimination of the code test for an amateur radio license. You keep trying to misdirect these non-discussions into some weird "desire" for a ham ticket I'm supposed to have. Such as: What really burns your bacon is that even with all your alleged professional experience, the FCC won't act on your recommendations and those of us who actually *are* radio amateurs won't bow down to you. INCORRECT. WRONG. I know the process of legislation and rule-making and accept that. Everyone gets a chance to comment at the FCC and the FCC has the near-final regulatory say on U.S. civil radio (courts can rule on that later but that does not happen often). All must live with the decisions on civil radio matters, even if they are not individually acceptible. That's how it is in a democratic-principle government. Your allegation of some kind of weird "personal vendetta" is just that, a weird thing. You can't abide the thought of losing the morse code test so, therefore, you think that all those trying to eliminate it are abnormal in some regard. Not so. What IS abnormal is the stridency of the PCTA in the maintenance of a code test for a ham license without any regard to the changing times or the fact that morse code manual telegraphy is going down the tubes in all of radio communications except amateurism. You cannot justify modern-day rules based on antiquated reasons which no longer apply. But, you met those antiquated rules and now insist that all newcomers meet those rules. Why? I don't know why you are still so adamant about it, can only speculate. And despite all your verbiage, you can't get some of us to respond in kind to your name calling and other word games. TS. Someone wants to play nasty with me, I play nastier. No problem. Been there, done that, lots of times. How, Len? How yourself, Kimosabe. Ugh. By requiring a simple one-time 5 wpm code test? By requiring ANY rate code test. You can NO longer justify its existance by "treaty." You can NO longer justify its usefulness by anything but tired, trite, old phrases that ceased being applicable decades ago. All you or your PCTA ilk can "justify" is all the denigration and name-calling and general negative inuendo you put on those that want to eliminate the code test. Not nice. But, you "justify" it by all kinds of tricks and message subject misdirections, by calling yourself "superior" to others because you met old standards. No sweat to me. If the code test stays, then I hang in there trying to get rid of it. If the code test is eliminated, then I be satisfied. Methinks you dost protest too much. Don't you mean "doth" mistah spear-shaker? :-) |
Subject: FCC Morse testing at 16 and 20 WPM
From: PAMNO (N2EY) Date: 7/18/2004 10:42 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: In article , (Len Over 21) writes: What has nursie done in that other "SOME" of radio? Answrer: Nottadamnthing. :-) Then he shouldn't be making the rules for it...right? I don't! And I see Lennie is making typos! Must be ANGRY ANGRY ANGRY ! ! ! =) Also zero-point-zero experience in "emergency communications". WRONG. Use Rev. Jim's Time Mashine and go back to 1994. Some earth-shaking news awaits you, nursie. What did you do back then, Len? And why are you still living in the past? 1994 was TEN YEARS AGO ;-) ;-) And even MORE typos. He's REALLY mad! His "traffic handling" experience was as a radio clerk in the Army in the FIFTIES, and his experience in practical avionics goes back to his days as a STUDENT (never licensed) pilot back when Lear organ-grinder radios were the "state of the art". WRONG. WRONG. WRONG. Tsk, tsk, tsk. How is it wrong? It's not. At least according to his very own words. Maybe he finally joined that REACT group...?!?! MOS 281.6 - Microwave Radio Relay Operations and Service Supervisor plus brevet MOSs of Fixed Station Transmitter Operations and Service, Carrier Systems Operations and Service. [the "point-6" in that old MOS numbering is the indicator of supervisory duties which I had as an E-5 S/Sgt] 1953 to 1956. "Three up and one down" after just 2 1/2 years. Earned. So? That was your *job*, wasn't it, Len? NOW he was a STAFF SERGEANT! For the last eight years he's been insisting he was "only" a Sergeant. Guess he figured after the battlefield sacrifices he made and all the fights he's fought in this forum he deserved a promotion. Congratulations, Lennie! What's interesting is that you don;t mention that there were more than 700 *other* people at ADA when you were there... Of course not! HE handles ALL one-point-two million of those messages! Him! Alone! "Practical avionics" includes airborne radar (both military and civilian), airborne radionavigation equipment (TACAN, DME, VOR, Localizer, Glideslope, and Marker Beacon) plus several missle systems which few will know about, such as the old Hughes Aircraft "Falcon" series or "Maverick." That at, in chronological order, Ramo-Wooldridge (the "R" and "W" of TRW now), Micro-Radionics Inc., Van Nuys, CA, EOS [Electro-Optical Systems] a division of Xerox, Pasadena, CA (mostly spacecraft stuff), RCA Corporation EASD (Electro- magnetic and Aviation Systems Division), Van Nuys, CA, Hughes Aircraft Missle Division (Hughes for the 2nd time, this at the same buildings once leased by R-W), Canoga Park, CA, and Teledyne Electronics, Newbury Park, CA [designers and manufacturers of military transponders, what civilians call "IFF"]. Wanna talk how that marvelous VOR works? No problem...old NARCO box or an RCA 3 1/2" instrument package that has it all...Nav and Com, with MB and LOC and GS all packed in behind the OBS. Wanna talk ground station VOR or TACAN? No problem there, either. Wanna talk on-the-air while airborne? No problem, done that too and not just with some UNICOM at a grass field. More like the Western Airlines maintenance facility at LAX. So...did you work at all those places or just talk about them? Were you in sole charge, or part of a much larger team? Hey...just how many fl;oors can a janitor clean at once anyway, Jim...?!?! He HAD to have had help! As for experience in aeronautical navigation he's pretty well shown us what he "knows" in here. BTW, oh great and ignorant bird of the radio universe, the Army didn't have a "message center" at ADA. Other Army message centers fed it and were fed in turn...ADA kept the radio circuits working. With over 700 people, when you were there. Yet you don't mention the team, just yourself. Interesting, very interesting. Not "interesting", Jim...just status quo.... They still do that as they did at Fort Irwin in 1989 for regimental level field radio (quite a bit different than 35 years prior). And they manage quite well without you, Len. No manual telegraphy in the 50s, not in the 80s, the 90s, or this new millennium. So? Sunnuvagun! Who would a thought it? No CW! :-) How is that relevant to amateur radio? It's not. But it's all the Putz has to hold on to, so he'll keep reciting it over and over and over and..... Would you want HIM making binding decisions for you in regards to Amateur Radio policy? Yes, why trust the FCC to regulate amateur radio? You're not the FCC, Len. Uh oh! Don't tell HIM that! None at the FCC need have ham licenses to do that. Actually, there are a few hams at FCC, making the rules and recommendations about those rules. More importantly, those folks are professional regulatory people. You're not. Riiiiiight...keep the beepers in charge of hum raddio...those mighty macho morsemen keeping the airwaves pristine with the musick of morse as they did in the old, old days. Archaic Radio Service, the ARS of yeasteryear! [all rise...] Sounds like you are jealous, Len. More foolish than jealous. Want radio OPERATING? Sure. No problem. Done it from land, from water, from a cockpit while aloft. Want space comms? Sorry, you can't do that yet, NASA can't afford to send Morose Dysfunctionals off on expensive spaceships. I'll just stand in the JPL mission control room (as I've done for a few missions) and watch the live data come in from Mars or wherever. That be happy. I've "worked" a station ON the moon. Stalker Stevie never did. Just a spectator. Naaaaaaah...I just bounced signals off the moon. Lennie hasn't done that. Goldstone more fun place, though it be hot, hot. Clear Lake fun for a visit but I wouldn't wanna work there ("failure no option" in the old days, not quite so now). Wanna get up at Oh-Dark- Thirty to prep telemetry for an avionics package on a fast mover? Done that too. Edwards. China Lake. Kern County Airport #7 (Mojave). Phooey, like my mornings quiet and late. Who needs all that sweat to push envelopes? :-) Given my sweat, pushed an envelope a couple times, sweated in the labs producing goodness and newness, seen it work. Just another groundpounder. Heck, even I can use the lingo. But you keep reliving the past, leaving out the important details. I am sure that Lennie pushed a LOT of envelopes...That broom was able to collect a lot of debris. Ham radio would be fun. It is. But you're just a spectator there, too. It IS fun! What really burns your bacon is that even with all your alleged professional experience, the FCC won't act on your recommendations and those of us who actually *are* radio amateurs won't bow down to you. And despite all your verbiage, you can't get some of us to respond in kind to your name calling and other word games. Bingo! But, all the "intelligent people" wanna recreate the hoary halcion days of the 1920s and 1930s. How, Len? By requiring a simple one-time 5 wpm code test? Methinks you dost protest too much. Methinks he is still marking time in 1953, defending the ramparts of ADA against any idea of anyone other than him knowing how a radio works. Sucks to be Lennie! 73 Steve, K4YZ |
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Well, there wasn't much point in going through the motions unless I was actually going to learn something. Just the way I'm put together. Mike, some feel that way about the code. They learned it so they could get on phone and look upon it as a monumental waste of their time. |
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In article , (William) writes: (Len Over 21) wrote in message ... In article , (Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes: Sucks to be you, Putz. Tsk. The Stalker put away is Amateur Corps Class A uniform and the recruiting posters for the United States Amateur Corps ("A few good men...") and lapsed into his hate-filled snarliness mode. I see a glimpse of humanity from Steve every few weeks. I like him much better that way. I'll pray for him tonight. I used to pray for him. Some time ago. Reason was I got this faraway guffaw smothered by a divine hand, I think. It went something like this: Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! Phew! Thought I was going nuts. I've heard that smothered guffaw - the last time I prayed for Steve. Well, Stalker IS a representative of top-of-the-line amateur radio licensee. Let's back away from that idea for a while. What? We've got maybe four or five Extras on here who are congenital liars, spinmasters, or just cranky old farts VS how many did Jim just post are in the ARS? Whatever Rev. Jim's source, it is the only one "correct." If you don't believe it, just ask him. ;^) I prefer Hamdata.com tabulations, not the "interpreted kind." All those sources have fast broadband access to the SAME data files (enorrmous ones, BTW). I see your point. I also see all the PCTAs who are arrogantly adamant about Being So Right about their viewpoints. Most of the hams I kinow are decent people. But everyone once in a while I run into a problem ham, and invariably, he's an Extra. All us newsgrope readers see the same text. Those mighty words of the PCTA (and their ilk) appear on everyone's screen. They have their Say and So Be It. They are the Great Gurus. De facto, not de jure. What is anyone to believe about U.S. amateur radio if their only source of information is from those same OFs? It would be sad if that were true. Fortunately, there are other sources of information on the ARS. I don't think Steve and the others on here are representative of top-of-the-line amateurs at all. No? :-) Gawd NO! I agree with you...knowing more radio amateurs off-line than on- line. KD6JG is what I consider a good friend and I'm hoping to say hello to him in mid-California a bit later. W6MJN was Best Man at my wedding. That's just two out of many. shrug Many. As a matter of fact, I feel kind of sorry for Jim. I think he's hung in here about a year too long. He should have bailed before his lost his last remnant of dignity. Jim was on the AOL ham pub before I saw him on r.r.a.p. Was like a Newington-south recruitment drive on AOL to me. Came off like an 80-year-old OF. QED. Couldn't take much controversy then, can't now. Sorry to hear that. So long banging the same drum. Time for him to get a new skin (a thicker one). His post about "Morse Code Exams are a disincentive to CW use" really told the tale. Since then he's gone over to the dark side and can't find his way back. He's truly committed. All that "committment" gets to all. Amateur radio is NOT a marriage and life ever after. The PCTA cannot change their minds nor let anyone else change their minds. Not ever! :-) Closed Mind. "MARS IS amateur radio" is from an extreme case. :-) As Buzz Light Year says, "To Insanity and Beyond!" All the PCTA love him. He be Tuff and Loud. Yell-Yell alla time. I think they only support him because they think they'll all hang separately if they don't hang together. I can't imagine them actually coming forward to say they love him. Just another case of group-think. Well, united they hang or they hang separately. Either way, the hanging happens. They'll have to face Hiram at the Pearly Gates. They got a lot of splainin to do. But, here's the thing with Yell-Yell: Everyone against him is "really me under a pseudonym!" So, what you just wrote is what I just wrote, since "we are the same person!" Hi hi hi hi. Bang the conundrum slowly... :-) I am the Eggman, I am the Walrus, Koo koo ka choob. And I'm Cutie Boy, Morgan, Avery Fineman, Mad Dog Deignan, etc, etc, etc. Hi, hi. What an imagination Yell Yell have. Hallmark of loose screw. So suprised when Jim first said Bruce might be brilliant (hi, hi), then said he wasn't proper amateur material. Broose is just a character...with or without a license. :-) A vey short character like "e." He's largely gone over to the CB groups (any wonder?). And Mama Dee is handing out antenna advice on another group. Hi, hi! |
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In article , (William) writes: (Len Over 21) wrote in message ... In article , (William) writes: (Len Over 21) wrote in message ... In article , PAMNO (N2EY) writes: In article , (Len Over 21) writes: In article , PAMNO (N2EY) writes: More spectrum is simply the reward system in use. It was chosen in large part because it's easy to enforce. Nonsense for the new millennium. That's what you're giving us, Len! Now, now Rev. Jim. You're off on an evangelical Sermon on the Antenna Mount again! You just didn't answer the question I posed about "enforcement ease." Tsk. tsk. tsk. Tell us how morse signals are "easier to enforce" than voice signals. Try a few details of how that is done. That's going to be a problem for Jimmy Who. His claim is illogical. Anyway, I'll be standing by waiting for his answer. BTW, I heard the temperature in hell is falling rapidly. Don't expect miracles. Not in the answer or the environment of hell. LHA / WMD I have more faith in the environment of hell than I do in the truthfulness of the lobotomized, lock-steppedness of the PCTA. I think I've figured out why the PCTA absolutely HATED any thought whatsoever of a small suggestion I made long ago to the FCC - that of having a certain minimum age for a license. Memories like Hephalants. The PCTA are all acting so childish about that morse test requirement that they can't stand not being able to continue to be childish. "Wah wah wha...we gots to have a morse test!!!" "All the 'big' people in radio know morse and we are 'big' people!" All of which was fine for the 1930s...but hardly so 70 years later. I can follow that. All the PCTA seemed to have innoculated themselves with mighty macho morsemanship at an early age and are still addicted to it and the Importance (!) of the mode to "all radio." More important than everything else combined. They are all - seemingly - a bunch of middle-age sitter-downers (in front of their radios) wishing fervently to recapture their youth lost so many years back. They want their youth back and with that, their youthful ideals which were so Very Important back then. Sit-ins. Throwing other peoples medals at the White House. Goldie Hawn... They don't really give a damn about anyone else. They want to force the morse test on everyone because They were forced to learn it by Their seniors. They want to get even. Such wishing is typically of the childish. QED. Ergo, game, set, and match. Where is Aaron? He could add this to the Morse Myths list. Too bad he got worn out with that list - it was sooooo long. Mama Dee and Rev. Jim say that "the experienced" (all those who love honor cherish and obey morse code) MUST be "in charge" of determining the whichness of the what. They can lead amateur radio on a death march. Anyone speak Tagalog? Regression is the better part of their valor. Or stasis. Valor? Without integrity or honor? Best they can do is Status Quo. Forget about leadership. |
Len Over 21 wrote:
In article , (William) writes: (Len Over 21) wrote in message ... In article , (Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes: I see your point. I also see all the PCTAs who are arrogantly adamant about Being So Right about their viewpoints. S'funny. I see you as arrogantly adamant about bEING sO rIGHT about your viewpoints. All us newsgrope readers see the same text. Those mighty words of the PCTA (and their ilk) appear on everyone's screen. They have their Say and So Be It. They are the Great Gurus. De facto, not de jure. What is anyone to believe about U.S. amateur radio if their only source of information is from those same OFs? You're an OF, Len. In Fact, you're currently the O'est F known to be posting here. You're a one-man ilk. You'll never be a Great Guru in amateur radio as you are in no way involved in amateur radio. I don't think anyone would seek you out as a single source of info on amateur radio. Dave K8MN |
Len Over 21 wrote:
I don't know exactly why he does that, just that it is common practice among so many amateur radio hobbyists to build up their avocation into some noble cause. Maybe you can provide insight as to why you seem compelled to attack radio amateurs who don't agree with your views and why you take constant swipes at the ARRL. After all, you haven't been a radio amateur in the past. You aren't a radio amateur in the present and there is no indication that you'll be a radio amateur in the future. What gives with you? Dave K8MN |
You're an OF, Len. In Fact, you're currently the O'est F known to be posting here. You're a one-man ilk. You'll never be a Great Guru in amateur radio as you are in no way involved in amateur radio. I don't think anyone would seek you out as a single source of info on amateur radio. Dave K8MN Len, just get the damm license. It ain't that hard. Hell even 5wpm. I did it and I'm no good at sort of "motor skill" kind of thing. Then get on the air some. Then you can speak with some creditability here and other forums on ham radio. |
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(William) writes: (Len Over 21) wrote in message ... In article , (William) writes: (Len Over 21) wrote in message ... In article , (William) writes: (Len Over 21) wrote in message ... In article , PAMNO (N2EY) writes: In article , (Len Over 21) writes: In article , PAMNO (N2EY) writes: More spectrum is simply the reward system in use. It was chosen in large part because it's easy to enforce. Nonsense for the new millennium. That's what you're giving us, Len! Now, now Rev. Jim. You're off on an evangelical Sermon on the Antenna Mount again! You just didn't answer the question I posed about "enforcement ease." Tsk. tsk. tsk. Tell us how morse signals are "easier to enforce" than voice signals. Try a few details of how that is done. That's going to be a problem for Jimmy Who. His claim is illogical. Anyway, I'll be standing by waiting for his answer. BTW, I heard the temperature in hell is falling rapidly. Don't expect miracles. Not in the answer or the environment of hell. LHA / WMD I have more faith in the environment of hell than I do in the truthfulness of the lobotomized, lock-steppedness of the PCTA. I think I've figured out why the PCTA absolutely HATED any thought whatsoever of a small suggestion I made long ago to the FCC - that of having a certain minimum age for a license. Memories like Hephalants. Memories more like an effluent. :-) The PCTA are all acting so childish about that morse test requirement that they can't stand not being able to continue to be childish. "Wah wah wha...we gots to have a morse test!!!" "All the 'big' people in radio know morse and we are 'big' people!" All of which was fine for the 1930s...but hardly so 70 years later. I can follow that. They are all legends in their own minds... :-) All the PCTA seemed to have innoculated themselves with mighty macho morsemanship at an early age and are still addicted to it and the Importance (!) of the mode to "all radio." More important than everything else combined. It probably IS the greatest accomplishment in some lives! :-) They are all - seemingly - a bunch of middle-age sitter-downers (in front of their radios) wishing fervently to recapture their youth lost so many years back. They want their youth back and with that, their youthful ideals which were so Very Important back then. Sit-ins. Throwing other peoples medals at the White House. Goldie Hawn... Grandma Goldie? :-) They can't recapture their physical youth. They can improve their mental youth. Some don't. Some, like Rev. Jim, are very into the "stern headmaster" role playing, making like he #1 Great Guru on the history knowledge of a century ago. History of the earliest accomplishments doesn't tune a final or align a receiver front end nor measure any antenna. They could concentrate on those basics first, but it is much easier for them to just toss their cookies in here, pretending the "know" things. They don't really give a damn about anyone else. They want to force the morse test on everyone because They were forced to learn it by Their seniors. They want to get even. Such wishing is typically of the childish. QED. Ergo, game, set, and match. Where is Aaron? He could add this to the Morse Myths list. Too bad he got worn out with that list - it was sooooo long. Most folks have bailed out of here. Can't blame them. :-) Mama Dee and Rev. Jim say that "the experienced" (all those who love honor cherish and obey morse code) MUST be "in charge" of determining the whichness of the what. They can lead amateur radio on a death march. Anyone speak Tagalog? Dinna wurra, laddie. The beepers will still be re-enacting their own radio civil wars long into the future. I suppose they imagine that if they bring it up enough times some more might believe in it as fervently as they do. Yup. They "bring it up" in projectile form. Regression is the better part of their valor. Or stasis. Valor? Without integrity or honor? Best they can do is Status Quo. Forget about leadership. We will be lead by the beepers, not led. Plumbium that is, one part of solder. But with cold solder joints in their thinking. LHA / WMD |
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(William) writes: (Len Over 21) wrote in message ... In article , (William) writes: (Len Over 21) wrote in message ... In article , (Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes: Sucks to be you, Putz. Tsk. The Stalker put away is Amateur Corps Class A uniform and the recruiting posters for the United States Amateur Corps ("A few good men...") and lapsed into his hate-filled snarliness mode. I see a glimpse of humanity from Steve every few weeks. I like him much better that way. I'll pray for him tonight. I used to pray for him. Some time ago. Reason was I got this faraway guffaw smothered by a divine hand, I think. It went something like this: Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! Phew! Thought I was going nuts. I've heard that smothered guffaw - the last time I prayed for Steve. Don't do it too much. I've been getting the "don't bother me on trivia" admonishments on Sundays. :-) Well, Stalker IS a representative of top-of-the-line amateur radio licensee. Let's back away from that idea for a while. What? We've got maybe four or five Extras on here who are congenital liars, spinmasters, or just cranky old farts VS how many did Jim just post are in the ARS? Whatever Rev. Jim's source, it is the only one "correct." If you don't believe it, just ask him. ;^) No one has to "ask." He is the Hall Monitor always at the ready to "correct" the heathen. I prefer Hamdata.com tabulations, not the "interpreted kind." All those sources have fast broadband access to the SAME data files (enorrmous ones, BTW). I see your point. I also see all the PCTAs who are arrogantly adamant about Being So Right about their viewpoints. Most of the hams I kinow are decent people. But everyone once in a while I run into a problem ham, and invariably, he's an Extra. And, invariably, they gravitate HERE. :-) All us newsgrope readers see the same text. Those mighty words of the PCTA (and their ilk) appear on everyone's screen. They have their Say and So Be It. They are the Great Gurus. De facto, not de jure. What is anyone to believe about U.S. amateur radio if their only source of information is from those same OFs? It would be sad if that were true. Fortunately, there are other sources of information on the ARS. I don't think so. I keep getting told that "No one can possibly know anything without that license!" It is the epiphany of knowledge. [so they say...] I don't think Steve and the others on here are representative of top-of-the-line amateurs at all. No? :-) Gawd NO! Don't tell Them that! WW3 will break out! I agree with you...knowing more radio amateurs off-line than on- line. KD6JG is what I consider a good friend and I'm hoping to say hello to him in mid-California a bit later. W6MJN was Best Man at my wedding. That's just two out of many. shrug Many. As a matter of fact, I feel kind of sorry for Jim. I think he's hung in here about a year too long. He should have bailed before his lost his last remnant of dignity. Jim was on the AOL ham pub before I saw him on r.r.a.p. Was like a Newington-south recruitment drive on AOL to me. Came off like an 80-year-old OF. QED. Couldn't take much controversy then, can't now. Sorry to hear that. So long banging the same drum. Time for him to get a new skin (a thicker one). ...or quit the CD of that holiday favorite, "Little Drummer Boy." :-) His post about "Morse Code Exams are a disincentive to CW use" really told the tale. Since then he's gone over to the dark side and can't find his way back. He's truly committed. All that "committment" gets to all. Amateur radio is NOT a marriage and life ever after. The PCTA cannot change their minds nor let anyone else change their minds. Not ever! :-) Closed Mind. Lifestylers try for that. Believers LIVE it. "MARS IS amateur radio" is from an extreme case. :-) As Buzz Light Year says, "To Insanity and Beyond!" Buzz has more animation... All the PCTA love him. He be Tuff and Loud. Yell-Yell alla time. I think they only support him because they think they'll all hang separately if they don't hang together. I can't imagine them actually coming forward to say they love him. Just another case of group-think. Well, united they hang or they hang separately. Either way, the hanging happens. They'll have to face Hiram at the Pearly Gates. They got a lot of splainin to do. They might be expecting all those virgins. Whoops, wrong religion. That's a sect of Islam, not morseodism. But, here's the thing with Yell-Yell: Everyone against him is "really me under a pseudonym!" So, what you just wrote is what I just wrote, since "we are the same person!" Hi hi hi hi. Bang the conundrum slowly... :-) I am the Eggman, I am the Walrus, Koo koo ka choob. And I'm Cutie Boy, Morgan, Avery Fineman, Mad Dog Deignan, etc, etc, etc. Hi, hi. What an imagination Yell Yell have. Hallmark of loose screw. "Hallmark?" "...when you want to send the very worst..." So suprised when Jim first said Bruce might be brilliant (hi, hi), then said he wasn't proper amateur material. Broose is just a character...with or without a license. :-) A vey short character like "e." He's largely gone over to the CB groups (any wonder?). And Mama Dee is handing out antenna advice on another group. Hi, hi! "Antenna advice?" Oh, good grief... I'd better message Jack Stone over on Antennex. "Yellow Alert" for that fine group of experimenters. I wonder if Dee will have admonishments on guy wires? :-) LHA / WMD |
In article et, "Bill Sohl"
writes: When I was preparing for the old Extra test (pre-April 2000) all I did was keep retaking the QRZ.COM practice tests until I consistently got 90% or better. I actually started getting concictently at 100%. You "studied the test" - literally! Which is certainly effective, and legal. But do you think you learned as much as if you didn't have the exact Q&A available? This isn't a criticism of you or Mike or anyone who takes the tests today. It's just a point about the testing methods used. Not that they're going to change any time soon. Continued until I scored 100 percent pretty consistently. And the actual test was a breeze, right? Wasn't too bad. Of course you passed. When I took the actual test, I thinkI completed it in less than 10 minutes and handed it in. I'm not surprised! It's only 50 questions anyway! Once in a while I take an online practice test just for grins. Usually I don't use scratch paper or a calculator, just to make it more of a sporting course. Ten minutes is about my speed, too, unless I push it. What you did was to 'study the test'. Which isn't "wrong" or illegal, despite what some may rant about it. You did what worked for you, within the rules. Here's the thing, Jim. I can still remember the right answers. So did I learn the material? Maybe. If you were given a new exam on the same material that used completely different questions and answers, could you pass it? If so, then you know the material. Given the subject material at the time and my lack of any specific use of much of that material since, I'm not sure how I'd do. Answers to questions on space operations (FCC notification intervals), licensing and VE testing rules, etc. don't stay with most people unless they have reason to need that knowledge. I think that depends on the person. Some folks can, others can't, etc. Additionally, rules and regs can and do change as we all know...so band edges, especially mode restrictions within a specific band (e.g. novice sub-bands) change over time. Yes - and that's one reason to take online practice tests. In fact, it could be argued that having a published Q&A and online practice tests makes it *easier* for *already licensed* hams to keep up with the changes. *If* you only care about right answers rather than understanding. Not really. I saw a electrician licensing test book with question pool recently. Lives depend on the electrician doing safe and proper work. and they are depending on the Electrician knowing. But someone cannot become a licensed electrician by written tests alone. There are extensive practical tests and experience requirements as well, and several levels of licensing. IIRC, here in PA it takes 9000 hours of documented work experience under the supervision of a licensed electrician to be licensed at the highest level. Sure, but if you flunk the test, question pool and all, then you aren't an electrician. 9000 hours of training aside. Point is, if you pass the test but don;t have the 9000 hours you aren't an electrician either. True, but No similar "time in grade" applies to ham licensing. It's not just time in grade but actual supervised work experience. Back in the old days of a 2 year wait for Extra, a ham could just toss the General license in a drawer and do nothing for 2 years, yet the "experience" would still count. We aren't likely to see such experience requirements reinstated either, IMHO. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
Robert Casey wrote in message ...
You're an OF, Len. In Fact, you're currently the O'est F known to be posting here. You're a one-man ilk. You'll never be a Great Guru in amateur radio as you are in no way involved in amateur radio. I don't think anyone would seek you out as a single source of info on amateur radio. Dave K8MN Len, just get the damm license. It ain't that hard. Hell even 5wpm. I did it and I'm no good at sort of "motor skill" kind of thing. Then get on the air some. Then you can speak with some creditability here and other forums on ham radio. Won't matter. When Len hits 20 years in the amateur service, these guys will have 50. Len will still be "wet behind the ears." The license just doesn't matter with these guys - it's merely their excuse to act like idiots. |
In article , Mike Coslo
writes: N2EY wrote: In article , Mike Coslo writes: N2EY wrote: In article , Mike Coslo writes: Well, there wasn't much point in going through the motions unless I was actually going to learn something. Just the way I'm put together. Yep. Same here. Maybe. If you were given a new exam on the same material that used completely different questions and answers, could you pass it? If so, then you know the material. Yup, I could. Then you really know the mateiral, not just the test. But someone cannot become a licensed electrician by written tests alone. There are extensive practical tests and experience requirements as well, and several levels of licensing. IIRC, here in PA it takes 9000 hours of documented work experience under the supervision of a licensed electrician to be licensed at the highest level. Sure, but if you flunk the test, question pool and all, then you aren't an electrician. 9000 hours of training aside. Point is, if you pass the test but don;t have the 9000 hours you aren't an electrician either. Equal results, eh? Equal requirements. Nice lass. Can you believe I had to look her up on the web? You must not pay attention to the magazine racks in the supermarket checkout line... Ahh, there it is. I probably go in a grocery store about once every two years For me two weeks away from a grocery store is a long long time. Anybody sez men can't chop never saw me in action. Big problem is the name. I keep thinking of the old story of "Heidi", although the real one bears no resemblance!! She was in a few minor movies, a guest on "Just Shoot Me" and did a charity version of "Who Wants To Be a Millionaire". I also claim dibs on Molly Sims... I can understand that. Just don't get too greedy here! 8^) I go for quality not quantity. |
Subject: FCC Morse testing at 16 and 20 WPM
From: Robert Casey Date: 7/18/2004 11:37 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: You're an OF, Len. In Fact, you're currently the O'est F known to be posting here. You're a one-man ilk. You'll never be a Great Guru in amateur radio as you are in no way involved in amateur radio. I don't think anyone would seek you out as a single source of info on amateur radio. Dave K8MN Len, just get the damm license. It ain't that hard. Hell even 5wpm. I did it and I'm no good at sort of "motor skill" kind of thing. Then get on the air some. Then you can speak with some creditability here and other forums on ham radio. Robert, he doesn't WANT the credibility. He enjoys self-humiliation. Also, "get(ting) the !@#$ license" would mean that he'd have to admit that he's just a mere mortal like all the rest of us, and he could never live with that. He's wasted his life on self grandizing himself so much, that anything else might make him look like a "real guy". No...Lennie will never "get the !@#$ license". He just doesn't have the character or class to do it. 73 Steve, K4YZ |
Subject: FCC Morse testing at 16 and 20 WPM
From: (William) Date: 7/19/2004 6:04 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: Won't matter. When Len hits 20 years in the amateur service, these guys will have 50. Len will still be "wet behind the ears." The license just doesn't matter with these guys - it's merely their excuse to act like idiots. More excuses. Steve, K4YZ |
Subject: FCC Morse testing at 16 and 20 WPM
From: (William) Date: 7/19/2004 6:04 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: Won't matter. When Len hits 20 years in the amateur service, these guys will have 50. Len will still be "wet behind the ears." The license just doesn't matter with these guys - it's merely their excuse to act like idiots. You and Lennie are the masters of your own fates. As long as you keep making stupid, obvioulsy flawed, misleading or mistruthful posts, there will be people who will make a point of pointing it out to you and everyone else. Both of you tell tales, make assinine accusations and take liberties with civility that any gradeschooler can see through, THEN you get indignant when your own words and actions get fed back to you. Sucks to BE you, Brain. Before you take liberties with whom YOU call "idiots", you had better review some of your own newsgroup misadventures. I wouldn't want them on my track record...It's quite humiliating. Care to reprise the baby-babble routine again...?!?! Steve, K4YZ |
N2EY wrote:
In article et, "Bill Sohl" writes: When I was preparing for the old Extra test (pre-April 2000) all I did was keep retaking the QRZ.COM practice tests until I consistently got 90% or better. I actually started getting concictently at 100%. You "studied the test" - literally! Which is certainly effective, and legal. But do you think you learned as much as if you didn't have the exact Q&A available? A different point altogether, Jim! A person will learn MUCH more by reading good reference material. Just as an example from the Question pool vs boo larnin' thread I just started, I learned that Fessenden received an optical interrupter made by a fellow named Brashear. Now there is a piece of synchronicity! Brashear was a telescope maker of great renown at that time. I didn't see that tidbit in any of the history of telescopes. But that isn't what they are trying to teach us in electronics. somone somwhere has to decide what question to ask on the test. This isn't a criticism of you or Mike or anyone who takes the tests today. It's just a point about the testing methods used. Not that they're going to change any time soon. I certainly didn't take it as such. Especially since I take the two as a functional equivalent! 8^) Continued until I scored 100 percent pretty consistently. And the actual test was a breeze, right? Wasn't too bad. Of course you passed. When I took the actual test, I thinkI completed it in less than 10 minutes and handed it in. I'm not surprised! It's only 50 questions anyway! Once in a while I take an online practice test just for grins. Usually I don't use scratch paper or a calculator, just to make it more of a sporting course. Ten minutes is about my speed, too, unless I push it. Sure - they are kind of fun, and a good way to keep up with some of the dryer details of regulation. The more enjoyable stuff masks the boring stuff. What you did was to 'study the test'. Which isn't "wrong" or illegal, despite what some may rant about it. You did what worked for you, within the rules. Here's the thing, Jim. I can still remember the right answers. So did I learn the material? Maybe. If you were given a new exam on the same material that used completely different questions and answers, could you pass it? If so, then you know the material. Given the subject material at the time and my lack of any specific use of much of that material since, I'm not sure how I'd do. Answers to questions on space operations (FCC notification intervals), licensing and VE testing rules, etc. don't stay with most people unless they have reason to need that knowledge. I think that depends on the person. Some folks can, others can't, etc. Additionally, rules and regs can and do change as we all know...so band edges, especially mode restrictions within a specific band (e.g. novice sub-bands) change over time. Yes - and that's one reason to take online practice tests. In fact, it could be argued that having a published Q&A and online practice tests makes it *easier* for *already licensed* hams to keep up with the changes. *If* you only care about right answers rather than understanding. Not really. I saw a electrician licensing test book with question pool recently. Lives depend on the electrician doing safe and proper work. and they are depending on the Electrician knowing. But someone cannot become a licensed electrician by written tests alone. There are extensive practical tests and experience requirements as well, and several levels of licensing. IIRC, here in PA it takes 9000 hours of documented work experience under the supervision of a licensed electrician to be licensed at the highest level. Sure, but if you flunk the test, question pool and all, then you aren't an electrician. 9000 hours of training aside. Point is, if you pass the test but don;t have the 9000 hours you aren't an electrician either. True, but No similar "time in grade" applies to ham licensing. It's not just time in grade but actual supervised work experience. Back in the old days of a 2 year wait for Extra, a ham could just toss the General license in a drawer and do nothing for 2 years, yet the "experience" would still count. We aren't likely to see such experience requirements reinstated either, IMHO. Too bad, that! - Mike KB3EIA - |
In article , (Stevie
Stalker, Exxtra Ethnic Cleanser, swallowed his Fleet Kit and barfed up the following shortie) : Subject: FCC Morse testing at 16 and 20 WPM From: (William) Date: 7/19/2004 6:04 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: Won't matter. When Len hits 20 years in the amateur service, these guys will have 50. Len will still be "wet behind the ears." The license just doesn't matter with these guys - it's merely their excuse to act like idiots. More excuses. Yes, more excuses for the olde-tyme hamme raddio licensees to vent their personal frustrations by finding faults (that done exist) in others who have far more experience than they do in radio. Right now I've got 51 years of HF radio "experience." That's longer than you or many others have existed. shrug Apparently, to the hamateur lifestylers, that "doesn't count." It wasn't done with the Blessed and Sacred Amateur License, under "official" league rules, done with absolutely right and proper protocol, all marching in the ranks carrying the Newingtonian banner held high. U.S. amateur radio is propagandized as a fun activity. From the way some insist on turning it into an Armed Militia or corps-thinking cannon fodder, that's not a good picture to paint. But, it IS a nice paint-by-numbers kit, all designed for easy painting by others...which they dive into, thinking they come up with a finished product equivalent to the Old Masters. :-) Rant on, gunnery nurse. Make sure your rant is paid on time. :-) LHA / WMD |
In article , Robert Casey
writes: Len, just get the damm license. Just for the purpose of settling a very few newsgrope irregulars who are irritated by controversy? :-) Not a good reason "for the service!" :-) It ain't that hard. I'm aware of that. So is anyone in the public who cares to look. :-) Hell even 5wpm. So, learning a useless skill is considered "important?" I've never had to learn or use any manual telegraphy in 51 years of actual communicating on HF. Morse code skill is an anachronism. Only amateurs use it with any regularity and then those are only a few amateurs, a minority. I did it and I'm no good at sort of "motor skill" kind of thing. Not a good reason for me to waste my time trying to re-enact the past. Then get on the air some. Been there, done that, from LF on up to microwaves. Did it earlier this year using an SGC SG-2020 on HF. :-) [also late last year, same rig...both times very legal!] Then you can speak with some creditability here and other forums on ham radio. Impossible! "Those without an amateur license have zero-point- zero experience, don't know nuthin, etc., etc., etc., etc." :-) Ham radio works by different principles than all other radios. That's what I'm told. I don't believe them, but lots of hams do. As far as morseodism is concerned, I'm an atheist. I don't worship at the Church of St. Hiram. Put away your collection plate and Him books. Look to yourself and contemporaries. Improve your own standing within the "amateur community." Foster more myths and legends of the Power of Morse, use either a Wayback or Tyme Mashine and concentrate on 80 to 100 years ago happenings, idolize the Pioneers of Hamateur Raddio (well over all others in radio), and treasure the icon of icons, the amateur license certificate. Don't bother to look towards the future...except to note the next ham club date and time so you can continue to Spread The Word. Live your proper lifestyle of amateurism. Be an ascetic. Toss around more acetic acid. [stop bath in darkrooms...fitting] "Ohm, mane padme Ohm..." BTW, it's not a DAMN license. :-) It's an official federal merit badge. Makes you invincible? :-) LHA / WMD |
(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ...
Subject: FCC Morse testing at 16 and 20 WPM From: (William) Date: 7/19/2004 6:04 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: Won't matter. When Len hits 20 years in the amateur service, these guys will have 50. Len will still be "wet behind the ears." The license just doesn't matter with these guys - it's merely their excuse to act like idiots. More excuses. Steve, K4YZ OK Bob, I stand corrected. It's just one more excuse for these guys to act like idiots. |
Won't matter. When Len hits 20 years in the amateur service, these guys will have 50. Len will still be "wet behind the ears." True that he won't have the 50 years experience, but even just a few weeks of operating time on the bands will dry out behind his ears... Of course it's up to him to actually go out and do it... |
Subject: FCC Morse testing at 16 and 20 WPM
From: Robert Casey Date: 7/19/2004 1:46 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: Won't matter. When Len hits 20 years in the amateur service, these guys will have 50. Len will still be "wet behind the ears." True that he won't have the 50 years experience, but even just a few weeks of operating time on the bands will dry out behind his ears... Of course it's up to him to actually go out and do it... It would be easier to get Bill Clinton to stop lifting skirts he's not married to than get Lennie to actually DO what he said he was going to do. 73 Steve, K4YZ |
Subject: FCC Morse testing at 16 and 20 WPM
From: (Len Over 21) Date: 7/19/2004 12:18 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: In article , (Stevie Stalker, Exxtra Ethnic Cleanser, swallowed his Fleet Kit and barfed up the following shortie) "I am only here to civilly debate the Morse Code test issue" From the Analogy of Leis of Leonard H. Anderson, Alleged Radio "Professional". Pathological liar, extrodinaire. Steve, K4YZ |
Subject: FCC Morse testing at 16 and 20 WPM
From: (Len Over 21) Date: 7/19/2004 12:18 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: In article , Robert Casey writes: Len, just get the damm license. Just for the purpose of settling a very few newsgrope irregulars who are irritated by controversy? What controversy? Not a good reason "for the service!" There's never a good reason with you, Lennie, including, it seems, your own inisistance that you were going to do it. Not that you've ever developed a reputation for being truthful... It ain't that hard. I'm aware of that. So is anyone in the public who cares to look. But it still eludes you. I say you just can't do it. You're afraid. Hell even 5wpm. So, learning a useless skill is considered "important?" Who says it's useless? You? I've never had to learn or use any manual telegraphy in 51 years of actual communicating on HF. You've never been a licensed Amateur Radio operator. Morse code skill is an anachronism. Only amateurs use it with any regularity and then those are only a few amateurs, a minority. Your definition of "a few" is interesting. Especially when actually LISTENING to the bottom end of the HF allocations. I did it and I'm no good at sort of "motor skill" kind of thing. Not a good reason for me to waste my time trying to re-enact the past. You can't "re-enact" the present. Morse Code has not been required for access to over 97% of all US Amateur allocations for over 13 years. Then get on the air some. Been there, done that, from LF on up to microwaves. But not as an Amateur. On discreet channels under someone else's station license and with modes dictated by that license. Did it earlier this year using an SGC SG-2020 on HF. [also late last year, same rig...both times very legal!] Uh huh. Big time operator. Then you can speak with some creditability here and other forums on ham radio. Impossible! "Those without an amateur license have zero-point- zero experience, don't know nuthin, etc., etc., etc., etc." With or without a license, you STILL have zero-point-zero experience in Amateur Radio matters. Ham radio works by different principles than all other radios. That's what I'm told. I don't believe them, but lots of hams do. Then you've uttered yet another lie. NO ONE in this forum has even remotely suggested that Amateur Radio equipment operates by "different principles". Thank-you for substantiating my assertion that you are a liar. Again. As far as morseodism is concerned, I'm an atheist. I don't worship at the Church of St. Hiram. Put away your collection plate and Him books. "I am only here to civillly debate the Morse Code test issue". Look to yourself and contemporaries. Improve your own standing within the "amateur community." Foster more myths and legends of the Power of Morse, use either a Wayback or Tyme Mashine and concentrate on 80 to 100 years ago happenings, idolize the Pioneers of Hamateur Raddio (well over all others in radio), and treasure the icon of icons, the amateur license certificate. Don't bother to look towards the future...except to note the next ham club date and time so you can continue to Spread The Word. "I am only here to civilly debate the Morse Code test issue" Live your proper lifestyle of amateurism. Be an ascetic. Toss around more acetic acid. [stop bath in darkrooms...fitting] "Ohm, mane padme Ohm..." I am only here to civilly debate the Morse Code test issue". BTW, it's not a DAMN license. For once you're right about SOMEthing concerning Amateur Radio, the typo notwithstanding. It's an official federal merit badge. Makes you invincible? Ooooops...slipped back to being a putz. Bad Lennie. Not that we expected anything less, though. You wouldn't be "you" any other way. Some "professional". Steve, K4YZ |
In article , Robert Casey
writes: You're an OF, Len. In Fact, you're currently the O'est F known to be posting here. You're a one-man ilk. You'll never be a Great Guru in amateur radio as you are in no way involved in amateur radio. I don't think anyone would seek you out as a single source of info on amateur radio. Dave K8MN Len, just get the damm license. Why would anyone want him to do that? It ain't that hard. Hell even 5wpm. I did it and I'm no good at sort of "motor skill" kind of thing. Me too. Then get on the air some. That would require an actual amateur station... Then you can speak with some creditability here and other forums on ham radio. Yep. |
It ain't that hard. I'm aware of that. So is anyone in the public who cares to look. But it still eludes you. I say you just can't do it. You're afraid. I'll cut Len a break in that if he does go for testing and fails, he doesn't have to tell anyone. But he has to go to the next session and try again. Only when he passes does he have to tell us. And he doesn't have to get his extra in one sitting... |
William wrote:
Robert Casey wrote in message ... You're an OF, Len. In Fact, you're currently the O'est F known to be posting here. You're a one-man ilk. You'll never be a Great Guru in amateur radio as you are in no way involved in amateur radio. I don't think anyone would seek you out as a single source of info on amateur radio. Dave K8MN Len, just get the damm license. It ain't that hard. Hell even 5wpm. I did it and I'm no good at sort of "motor skill" kind of thing. Then get on the air some. Then you can speak with some creditability here and other forums on ham radio. Won't matter. When Len hits 20 years in the amateur service, these guys will have 50. Len will still be "wet behind the ears." The license just doesn't matter with these guys - it's merely their excuse to act like idiots. Len isn't a licensed radio amateur. Ergo, he has no excuse for acting like an idiot. When and if Leonard ever has twenty years as an amateur radio under his belt, I'll treat him to a package of adult-sized diapers. Dave K8MN |
In article , Robert Casey
writes: I'll cut Len a break in that if he does go for testing and fails, he doesn't have to tell anyone. But he has to go to the next session and try again. Only when he passes does he have to tell us. And he doesn't have to get his extra in one sitting... Yes I do. I HAVE to get an "extra out of the box!" Once posted in here, such a thing will hang on for the LIFE of the sayer. It's like Posting Bans! I haven't taken my first amateur test yet. [took my last commercial operator's test in front of the FCC in Chicago in 1956]. Maybe I'm not up to it? After all, it's such a Ruff and Tuff session and I'm told there's a wash-out rate that is high. Will there be any blood shed? Injuries during the test? Do the VEC have standard obstacle courses or they individual? Will my amateur service uniform be fitted right there if I pass? Will there be a parade ceremony for all who pass later? Can I get a commemorative photo taken if I pass? Can my wife attend the ceremony? Friends? Neighbors? Is there a clergyman there at the test session for counseling all who fail? [hope it's a good Lutheran pastor] Will there be a weapons search before a test session? Can't have anyone despondent failure offing themselves. BIG EVENT! Most important day of anyone's life! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! Sorry, Bobbie, that got away again... :-) Open bands, old timer, wipe the back of those very wet ears... LHA / WMD |
In article , Robert Casey
writes: Won't matter. When Len hits 20 years in the amateur service, these guys will have 50. Len will still be "wet behind the ears." True that he won't have the 50 years experience, but even just a few weeks of operating time on the bands will dry out behind his ears... BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! Congratulations. You've just won the "IE" award, Bobbie. :-) "Dry out behind the ears?!?" BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! First time I strapped on an AN/PRC-8 it wasn't raining. We were out in the field though and I recall it was humid. Running around and practicing sojer in da woods makes one sweat a bit. While I don't recall exactly the personal moisture condition, I'm sure that I was a bit wet behind the ears then. In 1954. PRC-8 was a manpack VHF radio. Piece of cake to use. Nice handset. Can fit under the old steel helmet. Lots of audio output so one can hear even though there are lots of noises of an explosive sound around. Of course, I have to admit that military radio procedure isn't NEAR the life and death, exacting protocol demands of amateur radio! Nosir, hardly anything as ruff and tuff as ham raddio. Must be sheer hell during contests, ey? Lots of casualties? Must be. Of course it's up to him to actually go out and do it... Riiiiiiight. :-) What a wonderful way to get new radio amateurs. Goad them into taking The Test. Shame them. Lash with the Whip! Have you brought that to the attention of the ARRL? I'm sure they will want good suggestions on enlarging the ham ranks. Do I get a nice medal if I take a test? I've been thinking about using an empty shoe box to collect medals in so's I can be Ruff and Tuff in da future. :-) |
Subject: FCC Morse testing at 16 and 20 WPM
From: Dave Heil Date: 7/19/2004 10:38 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: William wrote: Won't matter. When Len hits 20 years in the amateur service, these guys will have 50. Len will still be "wet behind the ears." The license just doesn't matter with these guys - it's merely their excuse to act like idiots. Len isn't a licensed radio amateur. Ergo, he has no excuse for acting like an idiot. When and if Leonard ever has twenty years as an amateur radio under his belt, I'll treat him to a package of adult-sized diapers. Make sure they fit his head, Dave...that seems to be where all the....uhhhhh...effluent is coming from anyway... Steve, K4YZ |
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