Len Over 21 wrote:

In article ,
(William) writes:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...
In article ,
(William) writes:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...
In article , Dave Heil retired oberst
in
das
Amatur Schutz Staffel writes:

Bad branch water. Angus steers upstream.

Must be a LOT worse than that, Brian.

Das robust oberst from das Amatur Schutz Staffel now thinks I'm
a "beginner" in radio! He NOT thinking right...

You're simply wrong, yet again. You have yet to become a beginner in
amateur radio. The problem isn't my thinking; it is your reading.

Yeah, like beginning in 1953 at a large transmitting station, larger
than what State Department had anyplace (and ADA was only the
third largest in the Army network), plus doing the VHF, UHF, and
microwave radio relay equipment operations and maintenance.

Sounds like yet another recounting of your near-war experiences, old
top.
Nothing about amateur radio there.

Then "beginning" in civilian life in 1956 in the broadcast industry...
with a commercial ticket (achieved in one sitting at an FCC field
office).

Broadcast industry? Nope. Nothing about amateur radio there.

Then "beginning" in aerospace in late 1956 by moving out here and
"beginning" a new life in electronics corporations of a national
reputation. [he must not think that Rockwell or RCA were
"reputatble" enough for him...ptui]

That's all nice and we've heard it dozens of times before, but nothing
about amateur radio there.

Poor portly old ham Davie must be of the dipsnit frame of no mind
that ham radio operates UNDER DIFFERENT THEORY THAN
ALL OTHER RADIO...or possible that HAM RADIO IS SO *MUCH*
MORE COMPLICATED THAN ANY OTHER RADIO!!!!!

I didn't write anything about it being more complicated. I wrote that
you have yet to become a beginner in amateur radio. You are
unlicensed. You are uninvolved, not a participant, not in the game.

Worse yet, he's all hung up about TURF...the territorial imperative
of humans that must be ultra-strong in His glorious magnificence!
He OWNS ham radio. HE and only HE can decide who does what
where with which.

No, I don't own amateur radio. I'm a participant along with hundreds of
thousands of others in this country. You aren't among them.

A regular Smokey the Boor - "Only HE can put out newsgroup
fires!" [by trying to stifle all discontent, leaving him and PCTA
cronies - or coronaries - as survivors...]

Well, you're certainly full of said discontent regarding amateur radio.
The "why" is beyond me as you aren't involved.

I just "begin" each day with the Jimmy Durante philosophy, "Ya
gotta start off each day wid a sonnnnggg..." The rest follows okay.

Wowsers! When I think of philosophers, I always think of Plato,
Aristotle, Spinoza and *chortle* Jimmy Durante.

Oberst Smokey apparently didn't "begin" very well in ham radio.

What makes you think that? I began well and I began early. You haven't
begun.

Poor guy. Now he takes it out on anyone who disagrees with
him. Boo hoo. Poor portly ham Davie.

Little lethargic, luckless Len. The decades fly by and *still* no ham
ticket.

Davie ought to run for ARRL public relations director. Would be
a sure thing to have the league collapse by itself then! :-)

The League's doing fine in amateur radio though they don't have any
elected public relations directors. I'm doing fine in amateur radio.
You aren't in amateur radio.

So long morse, hello the future...

I see amateur radio's future with no Leonard H. Anderson.

Dave K8MN

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: FCC Office Testing History
From: Mike Coslo
Date: 8/9/2004 6:37 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Len Over 21 wrote:
In article , Mike Coslo

Don't mistake good manners for weakness.

BAM! Hammer hit's nail directly on head.

What hammer? What nail?

As I've suspected, you have no idea of the things going on around you.


I don't "demand" anything, nursie.

No? So all you do is see any comment by anyone opposed to your
outsider's view of amateur radio as a demand or an order?

Certainly not the marching in
ranks to the beat of morse under the Newington flag like the
proud noble amateurs did in the 1930s...

Don't worry about it, old timer. You aren't part of the ranks. Let me
know if you dig up any photos or 16mm movies of radio amateurs marching
under that Newington flag.

I see myself as just trying to get rid of the morse code test for U.S.
amateur radio licensing. :-)

I see myself using an American dictionary and spelling without so
many U letters...such as in "savriour."

Go for it, "Atila" (your spelling). How's your little "synchophant"
(your spelling), "William" (his spelling of 'Brian')?

I see myself in the mirror every time I look into one.

How do you live with that pain?


I couldn't? Sorry, but I DID get professionally published...for money!

Do those who are professionally published for no money operate under
some sort of barter system?


The problem is he came into the Amateur Radio arena with the same "You'd
darned well better listen to me because I know better than you" attitude and
now he wonders why no one (save the lame, lazy and easily impressionable)
want anything to do with him or his opinions.

Nursie be gone, outasight, cracked-up, bonkers, nuts.

I'm guessing that most who read Steve's statement found it accurate.

Dave K8MN

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: FCC Office Testing History
From: Mike Coslo
Date: 8/9/2004 6:37 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Len Over 21 wrote:
In article , Mike Coslo

Don't mistake good manners for weakness.

BAM! Hammer hit's nail directly on head.

What hammer? What nail?

As I've suspected, you have no idea of the things going on around you.

Habitat for inHumanity, no doubt.

I don't "demand" anything, nursie.

No? So all you do is see any comment by anyone opposed to your
outsider's view of amateur radio as a demand or an order?

I said you were a kook. Len defended you.

Certainly not the marching in
ranks to the beat of morse under the Newington flag like the
proud noble amateurs did in the 1930s...

Don't worry about it, old timer. You aren't part of the ranks. Let me
know if you dig up any photos or 16mm movies of radio amateurs marching
under that Newington flag.

With a wrenchy stitch hooked around their scapula.

I see myself as just trying to get rid of the morse code test for U.S.
amateur radio licensing. :-)

I see myself using an American dictionary and spelling without so
many U letters...such as in "savriour."

Go for it, "Atila" (your spelling). How's your little "synchophant"
(your spelling), "William" (his spelling of 'Brian')?

Odd. I don't see Len spelling Atila. How are you, little piddle branch?

I see myself in the mirror every time I look into one.

How do you live with that pain?


I couldn't? Sorry, but I DID get professionally published...for money!

Do those who are professionally published for no money operate under
some sort of barter system?

French bread?

The problem is he came into the Amateur Radio arena with the same "You'd
darned well better listen to me because I know better than you" attitude and
now he wonders why no one (save the lame, lazy and easily impressionable)
want anything to do with him or his opinions.

Nursie be gone, outasight, cracked-up, bonkers, nuts.

I'm guessing that most who read Steve's statement found it accurate.

But certainly not all. Most look other way. Called Yell Yell enablers.

In article ,
(William) writes:

Dave Heil wrote in message
...
Len Over 21 wrote:

In article ,
(Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: FCC Office Testing History
From: Mike Coslo
Date: 8/9/2004 6:37 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Len Over 21 wrote:
In article , Mike Coslo


Don't mistake good manners for weakness.

BAM! Hammer hit's nail directly on head.

What hammer? What nail?

As I've suspected, you have no idea of the things going on around you.

Habitat for inHumanity, no doubt.

I don't "demand" anything, nursie.

No? So all you do is see any comment by anyone opposed to your
outsider's view of amateur radio as a demand or an order?

I said you were a kook. Len defended you.

See what kind of thanks I get, Brian? :-)

Certainly not the marching in
ranks to the beat of morse under the Newington flag like the
proud noble amateurs did in the 1930s...

Don't worry about it, old timer. You aren't part of the ranks. Let me
know if you dig up any photos or 16mm movies of radio amateurs marching
under that Newington flag.

With a wrenchy stitch hooked around their scapula.

...or through it.

Even in the old days, those ancient mariners paraded around with
a morse key hanging around their necks like albatrosses.

I see myself as just trying to get rid of the morse code test for U.S.
amateur radio licensing. :-)

I see myself using an American dictionary and spelling without so
many U letters...such as in "savriour."

Go for it, "Atila" (your spelling). How's your little "synchophant"
(your spelling), "William" (his spelling of 'Brian')?

Odd. I don't see Len spelling Atila. How are you, little piddle branch?

Smokey the Boor has elitist spelling problems when trying
to play headmaster in here.

He didn't correct Coslo on a word. Coslo is PCTA.

It's a band of "brothers." [a dysfunctional family, no doubt]

I see myself in the mirror every time I look into one.

How do you live with that pain?

I couldn't? Sorry, but I DID get professionally published...for
money!

Do those who are professionally published for no money operate under
some sort of barter system?

French bread?

French dressing. His "salad days" that he is trying to turn into
his "salute days." :-)

He tries for French Toast but all the egg went on his face...

The problem is he came into the Amateur Radio arena with the same
"You'd
darned well better listen to me because I know better than you" attitude
and
now he wonders why no one (save the lame, lazy and easily
impressionable)
want anything to do with him or his opinions.

Nursie be gone, outasight, cracked-up, bonkers, nuts.

I'm guessing that most who read Steve's statement found it accurate.

But certainly not all. Most look other way. Called Yell Yell enablers.

PCTA all stick together. Weird sort of glue used.

Das robust oberst "guesses" a lot. In PCTA circles that makes his
"guesses" absolutely unequivocally "correct." [they defend their own]
[have to, nobody else really wants to defend the indefensible...]

Hmmm...this thread was originally about "FCC Office Testing
History." Nobody talks about that...too busy doing the "good fight"
on the "superiority" of elitist morsemen extras.

I was last at an FCC Field Office about 1980. Not for any test,
just paperwork on a business radio. Took a real test at a real FCC
Field Office in 1956...commercial license test, passed First 'Phone
in one sitting (in Chicago). Not the same as ham test. Ham test
is far, far "superior." Have to bow head and genuflect as elitist
morsemen extras pass. They be "superior." Ave!

Should have moved...Chicago beside Lake Michigan, not Lake
SUPERIOR. :-)

LHA / WMD

(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
In article ,
(William) writes:

Dave Heil wrote in message
...
Len Over 21 wrote:

In article ,
(Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: FCC Office Testing History
From: Mike Coslo
Date: 8/9/2004 6:37 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Len Over 21 wrote:
In article , Mike Coslo


Don't mistake good manners for weakness.

BAM! Hammer hit's nail directly on head.

What hammer? What nail?

As I've suspected, you have no idea of the things going on around you.

Habitat for inHumanity, no doubt.

No doubt.

I don't "demand" anything, nursie.

No? So all you do is see any comment by anyone opposed to your
outsider's view of amateur radio as a demand or an order?

I said you were a kook. Len defended you.

See what kind of thanks I get, Brian? :-)

And you never will.

Certainly not the marching in
ranks to the beat of morse under the Newington flag like the
proud noble amateurs did in the 1930s...

Don't worry about it, old timer. You aren't part of the ranks. Let me
know if you dig up any photos or 16mm movies of radio amateurs marching
under that Newington flag.

With a wrenchy stitch hooked around their scapula.

...or through it.

Suprised Yell Yell didn't come on here and correct my use of a medical
term.

Even in the old days, those ancient mariners paraded around with
a morse key hanging around their necks like albatrosses.

That's so when they get washed overboard, they'll go straight to the
bottom.

I see myself as just trying to get rid of the morse code test for U.S.
amateur radio licensing. :-)

I see myself using an American dictionary and spelling without so
many U letters...such as in "savriour."

Go for it, "Atila" (your spelling). How's your little "synchophant"
(your spelling), "William" (his spelling of 'Brian')?

Odd. I don't see Len spelling Atila. How are you, little piddle branch?

Smokey the Boor has elitist spelling problems when trying
to play headmaster in here.

He didn't correct Coslo on a word. Coslo is PCTA.

It's a band of "brothers." [a dysfunctional family, no doubt]

Probably a survival technique learned in prison.

I see myself in the mirror every time I look into one.

How do you live with that pain?

I couldn't? Sorry, but I DID get professionally published...for
money!

Do those who are professionally published for no money operate under
some sort of barter system?

French bread?

French dressing. His "salad days" that he is trying to turn into
his "salute days." :-)

I wonder when and where he went wrong. Maybe one of those early
intervention programs for "Hams at Risk" could have helped him?

He tries for French Toast but all the egg went on his face...

He always did play with his food.

The problem is he came into the Amateur Radio arena with the same
"You'd
darned well better listen to me because I know better than you" attitude
and
now he wonders why no one (save the lame, lazy and easily
impressionable)
want anything to do with him or his opinions.

Nursie be gone, outasight, cracked-up, bonkers, nuts.

I'm guessing that most who read Steve's statement found it accurate.

But certainly not all. Most look other way. Called Yell Yell enablers.

PCTA all stick together. Weird sort of glue used.

Sticky rice.

Das robust oberst "guesses" a lot. In PCTA circles that makes his
"guesses" absolutely unequivocally "correct." [they defend their own]
[have to, nobody else really wants to defend the indefensible...]

Maybe they should all get professional help. A public defender.

Hmmm...this thread was originally about "FCC Office Testing
History." Nobody talks about that...too busy doing the "good fight"
on the "superiority" of elitist morsemen extras.

"We are the Morsemen, the Mighty Mighty Morsemen... The Twenty Word
Tested Men"

I was last at an FCC Field Office about 1980. Not for any test,
just paperwork on a business radio. Took a real test at a real FCC
Field Office in 1956...commercial license test, passed First 'Phone
in one sitting (in Chicago). Not the same as ham test. Ham test
is far, far "superior." Have to bow head and genuflect as elitist
morsemen extras pass. They be "superior." Ave!

Should have moved...Chicago beside Lake Michigan, not Lake
SUPERIOR. :-)

LHA / WMD

bb

In article ,
(William) writes:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...
In article ,
(William) writes:

Dave Heil wrote in message
...
Len Over 21 wrote:

In article ,

(Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: FCC Office Testing History
From: Mike Coslo
Date: 8/9/2004 6:37 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Len Over 21 wrote:
In article , Mike Coslo


Don't mistake good manners for weakness.

BAM! Hammer hit's nail directly on head.

What hammer? What nail?

As I've suspected, you have no idea of the things going on around you.

Habitat for inHumanity, no doubt.

No doubt.

I don't "demand" anything, nursie.

No? So all you do is see any comment by anyone opposed to your
outsider's view of amateur radio as a demand or an order?

I said you were a kook. Len defended you.

See what kind of thanks I get, Brian? :-)

And you never will.

Headmaster extends both arms, forming a V with fingers of
each hand, snarling "I am not a kook!"


Certainly not the marching in
ranks to the beat of morse under the Newington flag like the
proud noble amateurs did in the 1930s...

Don't worry about it, old timer. You aren't part of the ranks. Let me
know if you dig up any photos or 16mm movies of radio amateurs marching
under that Newington flag.

With a wrenchy stitch hooked around their scapula.

...or through it.

Suprised Yell Yell didn't come on here and correct my use of a medical
term.

He lost his second-hand copy of "Gray's Anatomy."

Even in the old days, those ancient mariners paraded around with
a morse key hanging around their necks like albatrosses.

That's so when they get washed overboard, they'll go straight to the
bottom.

Bye bye morsemen...

I see myself as just trying to get rid of the morse code test for
U.S.
amateur radio licensing. :-)

I see myself using an American dictionary and spelling without so
many U letters...such as in "savriour."

Go for it, "Atila" (your spelling). How's your little "synchophant"
(your spelling), "William" (his spelling of 'Brian')?

Odd. I don't see Len spelling Atila. How are you, little piddle branch?

Smokey the Boor has elitist spelling problems when trying
to play headmaster in here.

He didn't correct Coslo on a word. Coslo is PCTA.

It's a band of "brothers." [a dysfunctional family, no doubt]

Probably a survival technique learned in prison.

Boyz in da 'hood.

I see myself in the mirror every time I look into one.

How do you live with that pain?

I couldn't? Sorry, but I DID get professionally published...for
money!

Do those who are professionally published for no money operate under
some sort of barter system?

French bread?

French dressing. His "salad days" that he is trying to turn into
his "salute days." :-)

I wonder when and where he went wrong. Maybe one of those early
intervention programs for "Hams at Risk" could have helped him?

Happened in 'Nam when he was "in-country."

Yell-Yell must have been there yelling at him...

He tries for French Toast but all the egg went on his face...

He always did play with his food.

He be cannibal...wants to eat non-hams for breakfast...

The problem is he came into the Amateur Radio arena with the
same
"You'd
darned well better listen to me because I know better than you"
attitude
and
now he wonders why no one (save the lame, lazy and easily
impressionable)
want anything to do with him or his opinions.

Nursie be gone, outasight, cracked-up, bonkers, nuts.

I'm guessing that most who read Steve's statement found it accurate.

But certainly not all. Most look other way. Called Yell Yell enablers.

PCTA all stick together. Weird sort of glue used.

Sticky rice.

"Hashi-fisti" scratchy. [Japanese-American pun]

Das robust oberst "guesses" a lot. In PCTA circles that makes his
"guesses" absolutely unequivocally "correct." [they defend their own]
[have to, nobody else really wants to defend the indefensible...]

Maybe they should all get professional help. A public defender.

They are AMATEURS! The few, the overly-proud, who cannot
ever ask professionals anything...

Hmmm...this thread was originally about "FCC Office Testing
History." Nobody talks about that...too busy doing the "good fight"
on the "superiority" of elitist morsemen extras.

"We are the Morsemen, the Mighty Mighty Morsemen... The Twenty Word
Tested Men"

All hail the mighty gods of radio!

I was last at an FCC Field Office about 1980. Not for any test,
just paperwork on a business radio. Took a real test at a real FCC
Field Office in 1956...commercial license test, passed First 'Phone
in one sitting (in Chicago). Not the same as ham test. Ham test
is far, far "superior." Have to bow head and genuflect as elitist
morsemen extras pass. They be "superior." Ave!

Should have moved...Chicago beside Lake Michigan, not Lake
SUPERIOR. :-)

LHA / WMD

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , Dave Heil retired oberst in das
Amatur Schutz Staffel writes:

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , Mike Coslo
writes:

Len Over 21 wrote:
In article , Mike Coslo
writes:

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , Mike Coslo
writes:

No, Mike. You've gone over to the dark side of the force. You've
kept
silent
on the insulting behavior of these U.S. radio amateur "extras" and
then
tried to encourage turning this newsgroup into a private little Chat
Room.

I keep quiet on all sorts of insulting behavior. I'm not here to
comment on others insulting behavior.

So...you condone it by not commenting.

I don't recall you making any comments regarding the Killing Fields of
Cambodia. By your logic, you condone what was done.

There was a DXepedition to Cambodia? !

I didn't write of a DXpedition. What would a DXpedition mean to you?

By Heilian "logic" whatever Heil (the emperor) says is "true!"

:-)

Well, that's certainly odd. You seem to be the only individual making
such a claim. :-) :-)

You like the image that some extras display worldwide in here?

What's it to you, Leonard. How are you involved in amateur radio? Do
you like the image that you convey here?

What's it to YOU, Davie?

That's easy. I *am* a radio amateur. This *is*
rec.radio.amateur.policy.
Now, wasn't that easy, old fellow?

Why do you insist on being some kind of robust oberst shouting
out the "proper" Way To Go?

I'm not shouting, Leonard. Why is "Way To Go" capitalized?

Nobody appointed you "leader" of anything. Not even leider.

Leader? Hell, you aren't even involved in amateur radio.

You singing the wrong song.

Rerax and sip you Ripton Tea, Ren. Your Charlie Chan bit is tiring.

I'm putting you down on the PCTA self-righteousness group...on
the basis of your subject postings. Have fun! :-)

I've been a PCTA for a long time.

No one is perfect.

You're coming awfully close, Leonard. A little cosmetic surgery on your
posterior should do the trick.

Tsk, tsk, robust oberst. A segue to personal insults again?

Do me the kindness of looking at the line beginning "In article..." near
the top of this message. Would you say that the fellow who wrote the
material following the message ID number is acting in an insulting
manner?

Try not to picture the rest of us as looking like yourself.

I'm not picturing the "rest of us" at all, Len. I was just picturing
*you*. Actually you don't look at all like me. That photo of you in
the nose of the airplane, expounding your opinions on amateur radio
regulation shows that the part doing the talking isn't near the cranium.

No need
at all here to remove cellulite from the gluteus maximus.

I wasn't addressing fat content. I was addressing perfection.

Putting me down as self righteous? You can do that if you wish. You
seem to have a thing about labels.

No, I'll take that back. You are very busy trying to excuse yourself
from
any "conflict" in here, trying to run down the very middle of the road.

In a way, that is a form of self-righteousness...that of being so
"important"
that you won't Get Involved in any conflicts (you are "above" that).

Talk about someone being self-righteous, Len!

You do that all the time. FOLLOW ORDERS!

What orders?

DO AS YOU DID!

I've never ordered you to do anything, much less to do as I did. You
can't possibly do as I did.

DO NOT, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES,
TRY TO CHANGE GOVERNMENT REGULATIONS!!!!

Are you ordering me or telling me that I ordered you? If it is the
latter, you're dead wrong.

Heil must have those ORDERS on a bulletin board in front of
his retirement home...

Why would I do that?

You're in no way involved
in amateur radio, yet you claim that radio amateurs and those who
regulate them should come around to your way of thinking on how amateur
radio should best be regulated.

Poor baby. Feeling a chill from the possibility that FCC might
change regulations and remove your brag raison d'etre about
mighty macho morsemanship and amateurism?

Poor Leondardo. Whether the regulations are changed, you'll still in no
way, be involved in amateur radio. If the regulations governing U.S.
amateur radio are changed, I'll still be proficient in the use of morse
as well as a number of other modes.

You are snarling (with fear) in the dark of the graveyard, robust
oberst.

"The dark of the graveyard"? "Snarling"? "Fear"? Are you out of your
cotton pickin' mind?

You do NOT enforce any regulations.

Nope. I operate under them. You neither operate under nor enforce
amateur radio regulations.

You do NOT make any regulations.

Nope. I operate under them. You neither operate under nor make amateur
radio regulations.

Quit trying to pretend you are some kind of
"official authority" on who can do what. It looks so silly...like
some schoolyard bully trying to "enforce" his way of thinking
on all the kids...

The kids are all radio amateurs. You aren't. Quit trying to pretend
that you are some kind of "official authority" on how amateur radio
should be regulated. It looks stupid. What are you--some kind of
schoolyard bully, trying to force your way of thinking on all the kids?

You do NOT present a pleasant picture of U.S. amateur radio,
trying to "enforce" it like it was some kind of national service
rather than a fun hobby.

You don't present *any* kind of picture of U.S. or any other country's
amateur radio.


You aren't "leader" and the hobby isn't
some paramilitary "service" of macho fighting men.

In addition to not being a leader, you aren't involved in amateur radio
anywhere on the planet. That is evident from your silliness about
"paramilitary".

Give up the territorial imperative of MAKING all others Do As
You Did...just because You Did It.

Not only have I not issued an imperative, I've never made a claim that
all others should do as I did. In fact, I've stated quite plainly and
quite often that it is impossible for newcomers to do as I did. The
regs have changed a number of times. So there isn't any "just because I
did it". Now, don't you look silly?

You don't own that right.
You don't even have that right.

It would be nice if your earlier rant hadn't been shot down by a beam of
fact.

The rest of us citizens enjoy the freedom to comment on federal
regulations and - AMAZINGLY - the power to petition for changes
in them! Sunnuvagun! How about that?

You've petitioned. You've commented. So far, nobody in authority is
doing much about your petitions and comments. As to "Sunnuvagun", you
cribbed it from Hans Brakob and he stole it from Cass WA6AUD.

Why are you so bloody insistent on trying to withhold that RIGHT
from your fellow citizens?

Your RIGHT is intact, as pointed out above. I'm under no obligation to
agree with you, refrain from laughing at you, to take you seriously or
to keep from pointing out that you have some really stupid ideas.

You see, that would interfere with my rights.

Dave K8MN