Subject: ARRL to propose subband-by-bandwidth regulation
From: (Quitefine)
Date: 8/29/2004 1:06 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article ,
(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) writes:

I am eternally hopeful for the well-being and the healing of those who
suffer from illness, injury or mental defect. Brain seems to be batting
about .666 in that regard. (Ironic, the average, eh...?!?!?)

Perhaps.

Maybe.

Highly likely.

Or perhaps he is just
baiting you, in order to
get you to behave a
certain way.

Might be.

Probably is.

Are you sure?

He and Len are masters
of that......:-)

Lennie perceives himself as a masterdebator. He's close, but no
cigar.

Sometimes a cigar
is only a cigar.

But some cigars are better than others. Hence the trafficing in illegal
Cuban cigars.

He's obvioulsy hurting
from some untold trauma and he needs some encouragement to overcome it.

Or perhaps he is just
baiting you, in order to
get you to behave a
certain way.

Could be.

Highly likely.

Better than average? I think you give him more credit than due. To
suggest that he could premeditate an act is really stretching things a bit!

I know that short of having a steel rod driven through his head,
Brian
Burke can do better. He HAS done better. He was off to a really good
start
the other day. But just as soon as I started returning his civility in
kind,
he turned around again.

Perhaps he does not
want to do better.

Perhaps he CAN'T do better.

Perhaps he is
waiting for you
to set the example.

By what? Caving in to his mistruthfulness or his immatue and
irresponsible conduct?

Nope.

I'd rather think he's just operating with diminished mental
capacity. That WOULD explain a lot.

He says the same of you.
We have seen claims of
remote diagnosis of
'turettes syndrome'.

(Even we know that it
is "Tourette's Syndrome")

Q: How many therapists does it take to change a lighbulb?
A: Just one - but the lightbulb has to want to change.

Brain is the kid who always picked his nose just to see if he
could "gross" someone out regardless of what it did to his own
reputation.

He's still doing it.

Why give an audience and
reaction to such behavior?

To allow him and Lennie a forum without challenge leaves them the only
ones being heard. Not a good alternative.

Pointing out thier errors and thier irresponsible behaviour is a far
better response.

And they DO give us plenty of opportunities to do THAT, don't they... ! !
!

I think the idea of having to live up to his OWN rhetoric about the tone
and temperment of the exchanges was more than he could handle. Lennie's
handmust have slipped out of the pocket long enough to let Brian act
independently,
but he obviously got it back in before Brian could really get a good
running
start.

Too bad. Now he's babbling again. And he accuses ME of being "off your
meds".

Sheeeesh.

Or perhaps he is just
baiting you, in order to
get you to behave a
certain way.

I perhaps your perhaps and raise you a "could be"....

We see your could be and
raise you a probably.

I see your probably and call.

73

Steve, K4YZ

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

N2EY wrote:

In article , Dave Heil

writes:

Len Over 21 wrote:

Things are changing with more and more citizens able to lobby the
FCC without having to join special interest groups. Changes are
coming....

You've lobbied. I don't see any changes in your status vis a vis amateur
radio.

Don't hold yer breath, Dave!

Oh, I won't. I don't expect Leonard (despite often writing of "getting
into" amateur radio) to actually obtain a license during his present
incarnation.

The license is the least of it. Setting up a station and actually operating it,
without government or corporate backing is the bigger challenge these days.

You're still not a participant after decades of self-declared
interest. You're still not involved despite a boast of getting an
"Extra right out of the box" years back.

January 19, 2000, to be exact. Right in this-here newsgroup. Of course he
was "Lenof21" then.

I remember that one and Cutey Boy's memorable statement. They are,
you'll have to admit, quite similar in outcome.

You mean neither has yet made good on what they said they'd do.

Some changes must come very slowly.

Fun facts:

- Despite his claims of being online since dirt was new, Len could not get
ECFS
to work for him back in early 1999. Couldn't keep up with the times, I
suspect.
Most of us poor old backward hams got ECFS to work for us, though. He
wound up
submitting his 98-143 comments by US mail, on disk and paper. He's been a
busy
wordsmith since then, though, deluging the FCC with commentary. Most of it
is obvious cut-and-paste. Poor Bill Cross.

It'd be interesting to see if our resident r.r.a.p. g.o.m. (grumpy old
man) is the most prolific of commenters.

In sheer volume, he's probably pretty close to the top for an induhvidual
commenter.

Poor Bill Cross.

- FCC got about 2500 comments on 98-143, the last big restructuring. Back
in
the mid-1960s, FCC got over 6000 comments on "incentive licensing", most of
them from individuals, even though there was no ECFS back then and all
commentary was plain old words-on-paper.

Did Leonard comment on incentive licensing?

I don't know. His recall of that regulatory proceeding is quite innaccurate.

His declared interest in
amateur radio would have taken him back to that era.

I "have an interest" in learning Japanese. I know about a half-dozen words in
that language.

- ARRL lobbied to increase the code test speed from 10 to 12.5 wpm in 1936.
That was the last time ARRL lobbied for an increase in code test speeds.
Indeed, the 1963 ARRL incentive licensing proposal called for no increase
in
code test speeds (full privileges would have been allowed to Advanceds
under
that plan) and ARRL *opposed* the FCC idea of a new 16 wpm test for
"Amateur First Class" which FCC wanted in 1965.

So the mythical "Church of St. Hiram" isn't at all as Len has attempted
to portray it?

If you mean the ARRL, its policy and operations are quite different than what
Len portrays.

- No class of US amateur radio license has required more than 5 wpm code
test
since 2000. No class of US amateur radio license has required more than 5
wpm
code test since 1990 (with an easily-obtained medical waiver, and a long
list of possible accomodations).

Yet Len's sole involvement is the harangue of an outsider. Kibitzer.
Sidewalk superintendent.

I've pointed that out to him on numerous occasions. Len could have
easily passed a no code exam. I feel sure that, despite the enormous
obstacle of a 5 wpm code test, he could have met the qualifications of
at least one of the HF license classes. He hasn't. If his intention is
to wait until there is no code test for an HF amateur radio license,
fine. He's really showing us.

Gladys Kravitz effect.

Does Len have a chin?

"Not that there's anything wrong with that!"

73 de Jim, N2EY

Subject: ARRL to propose subband-by-bandwidth regulation
From: (William)
Date: 8/29/2004 3:04 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...

Don't make me laff you little jelly belly imposter.

Still twists your shorts that at, what, ten years older than you I can run
circles around you...?!?!

BBWWWWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ! ! ! ! !
! !

but as a member of the USMC attached to the
USAF at one time.

I was attached to the US Army in the ROK. I was not in the Army.

I was attached to the US Navy in the Pacific. I was not in the Navy.

And you have never been in the US Air Force.

Absolutely.

And I bet that's what torques your bolts that I STILL know more about the
US Air Force than you did/do/ever will, Brain.

Sheeeeesh.

(Before you go off on a tirade about how the CAP is not "part of the
USAF", you'd better read CAP's Constitutional Charter and see waht SecAF
has to
say about it...)

Too bad.

Yes...it is...For you, Brain.

Just more of your lies.

Does it ever stop?

What lies, Brain?

Steve, K4YZ

Subject: ARRL to propose subband-by-bandwidth regulation
From: (William)
Date: 8/29/2004 3:20 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message
.com...

Brain is the kid who always picked his nose just to see if he
could "gross" someone out regardless of what it did to his own
reputation.

He's still doing it.

Well, at least you aren't focused on my genitalia per usual.

What's to focus on?

Steve was the kind of kid who might set fire to a doghouse (with a dog
in it) just to see if he could scare and intimidate the other kids.
He wasn't big enough to physically bully them. He desperately needed
a reputation.

Actually Steve was involved with volunteer SAR, learning to fly and Amateur
Radio stuff as a kid rather than getting busted for weed and other socially
detrimental behaviour that was popular in the 70's, Brain.

Stil sucks to be you.

Steve, K4YZ

"Steve Robeson K4CAP" wrote

Hence the trafficing in illegal Cuban cigars.

Dump huck politicians with anal/cranial inversion syndrome may have
decided that trafficking in them is not legal, but Cuban cigars are not,
of themselves, illegal.

72.5, de Hans, K0HB

PS: On the other hand, I have an FCC "pink slip" for exceeding the Morse
Code speed limit.

--
Reality doesn't care what you believe.

N2EY wrote:

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

N2EY wrote:

In article , Dave Heil

writes:

Len Over 21 wrote:

Things are changing with more and more citizens able to lobby the
FCC without having to join special interest groups. Changes are
coming....

You've lobbied. I don't see any changes in your status vis a vis amateur
radio.

Don't hold yer breath, Dave!

Oh, I won't. I don't expect Leonard (despite often writing of "getting
into" amateur radio) to actually obtain a license during his present
incarnation.

The license is the least of it. Setting up a station and actually operating it,
without government or corporate backing is the bigger challenge these days.

His "big time" operations always had government or corporate backing.

You're still not a participant after decades of self-declared
interest. You're still not involved despite a boast of getting an
"Extra right out of the box" years back.

January 19, 2000, to be exact. Right in this-here newsgroup. Of course he
was "Lenof21" then.

I remember that one and Cutey Boy's memorable statement. They are,
you'll have to admit, quite similar in outcome.

You mean neither has yet made good on what they said they'd do.

Precisely.

Some changes must come very slowly.

Fun facts:

- Despite his claims of being online since dirt was new, Len could not get
ECFS
to work for him back in early 1999. Couldn't keep up with the times, I
suspect.
Most of us poor old backward hams got ECFS to work for us, though. He
wound up
submitting his 98-143 comments by US mail, on disk and paper. He's been a
busy
wordsmith since then, though, deluging the FCC with commentary. Most of it
is obvious cut-and-paste. Poor Bill Cross.

It'd be interesting to see if our resident r.r.a.p. g.o.m. (grumpy old
man) is the most prolific of commenters.

In sheer volume, he's probably pretty close to the top for an induhvidual
commenter.

Poor Bill Cross.

I don't think Bill suffers from Len's copious output. He likely glosses
over when his eyes glaze over.

- FCC got about 2500 comments on 98-143, the last big restructuring. Back
in
the mid-1960s, FCC got over 6000 comments on "incentive licensing", most of
them from individuals, even though there was no ECFS back then and all
commentary was plain old words-on-paper.

Did Leonard comment on incentive licensing?

I don't know. His recall of that regulatory proceeding is quite innaccurate.

His declared interest in
amateur radio would have taken him back to that era.

I "have an interest" in learning Japanese. I know about a half-dozen words in
that language.

I'm "interested" in learning to weld. I know three people with welders.

- ARRL lobbied to increase the code test speed from 10 to 12.5 wpm in 1936.
That was the last time ARRL lobbied for an increase in code test speeds.
Indeed, the 1963 ARRL incentive licensing proposal called for no increase
in
code test speeds (full privileges would have been allowed to Advanceds
under
that plan) and ARRL *opposed* the FCC idea of a new 16 wpm test for
"Amateur First Class" which FCC wanted in 1965.

So the mythical "Church of St. Hiram" isn't at all as Len has attempted
to portray it?

If you mean the ARRL, its policy and operations are quite different than what
Len portrays.

I do mean the ARRL. I share your view.

Dave K8MN

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
N2EY wrote:

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

The license is the least of it. Setting up a station and actually operating it,
without government or corporate backing is the bigger challenge these days.

His "big time" operations always had government or corporate backing.

His ONLY operating has always been dependent upon the STATION
license or other federal grant or approval.

That grant has always specified the mode and power. Lennie has
never had the discretion of choosing the mode, time, power or
application other thanwhat the grant allowed.

Poor Bill Cross.

I don't think Bill suffers from Len's copious output. He likely glosses
over when his eyes glaze over.

I imagine a person in Mr Cross' position can seperate the bull
from the bullstuff. His protestations to the contrary, Lennie's own
"replies" are pretty much "kill the messenger" kinda stuff.

- FCC got about 2500 comments on 98-143, the last big restructuring. Back
in
the mid-1960s, FCC got over 6000 comments on "incentive licensing", most of
them from individuals, even though there was no ECFS back then and all
commentary was plain old words-on-paper.

Did Leonard comment on incentive licensing?

I don't know. His recall of that regulatory proceeding is quite innaccurate.

His declared interest in
amateur radio would have taken him back to that era.

I "have an interest" in learning Japanese. I know about a half-dozen words in
that language.

I'm "interested" in learning to weld. I know three people with welders.

Don't forget "My best friend is an Army buddy who is a Ham..."

- ARRL lobbied to increase the code test speed from 10 to 12.5 wpm in 1936.
That was the last time ARRL lobbied for an increase in code test speeds.
Indeed, the 1963 ARRL incentive licensing proposal called for no increase
in
code test speeds (full privileges would have been allowed to Advanceds
under
that plan) and ARRL *opposed* the FCC idea of a new 16 wpm test for
"Amateur First Class" which FCC wanted in 1965.

So the mythical "Church of St. Hiram" isn't at all as Len has attempted
to portray it?

If you mean the ARRL, its policy and operations are quite different than what
Len portrays.

I do mean the ARRL. I share your view.

Tritto on the ditto.

73

Steve, K4YZ

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
William wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message ...

I remember that one and Cutey Boy's memorable statement. They are,
you'll have to admit, quite similar in outcome.

I don't think Len ever "crapped his hands."

Not actually. Not his hands.

Dave K8MN

Maybe they just peed in your branchwater.