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Len Over 21 August 23rd 04 09:51 PM

In article ,
(William) writes:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...

"Radiosport!" Like NBC would broadcast ANY of that! :-)

Beep, beep...



Missed it at the Olympics. Maybe itsa "winter" sport.


I think it must be a Twilight Zone sport...something engaged in
by invididual minds, a fantasy of sight and sound.

Read the signpost up ahead, look for a guy that resembles a
lightweight Scicilian boxer doing a voice-over...

fade to dark, take station ID, roll promo clips

William August 24th 04 12:33 AM

(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...

Dee, the FCC dates back to 1934 and ARRL dates back to 1914.

FCC os 70 this year and ARRL is 90.

Many, many rules have CHANGED in that time.

FCC doesn't use OLD rules for new regulations.

Were there "CW-only subbands" in 1976?

My old 1976 ARRL Handbook says there were.



Jimmy Who's got all the old books. Constantly quoting out of them.

But now he is silent! Silent!! SILENT!!!

Hi, hi!

So easy to be Two-Faced when you're PCTA.

Like Quitefine/Jimmy Who. Like ONE Pea in a Pod.

Len Over 21 August 24th 04 01:50 AM

In article ,
(William) writes:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...

Dee, the FCC dates back to 1934 and ARRL dates back to 1914.

FCC os 70 this year and ARRL is 90.

Many, many rules have CHANGED in that time.

FCC doesn't use OLD rules for new regulations.

Were there "CW-only subbands" in 1976?

My old 1976 ARRL Handbook says there were.



Jimmy Who's got all the old books. Constantly quoting out of them.

But now he is silent! Silent!! SILENT!!!

Hi, hi!

So easy to be Two-Faced when you're PCTA.

Like Quitefine/Jimmy Who. Like ONE Pea in a Pod.


He don't pea no more.

Maybe he have pod infection?

Tsk.



N2EY August 24th 04 02:33 AM

In article ,
(Jim Hampton) writes:

Nothing said about
CW only *now*, the question is "never was". In that case, there
certainly was CW only sub-bands (at least I'm pretty sure). The
novice portions of the bands when I was a novice in 1962 were portions
of 80, 40, and 15 meters (there was 2 meter phone available back then
for novices). Novices were crystal contol only and all amateurs were
limited to 75 watts *input* in the novice bands (but higher class
licensees could use VFOs). I don't recall at all where rtty was
permitted, but not in the novice bands.


Sorry, Jim, that's not the case.

When you were a Novice in 1962, RTTY was permitted in the Novice bands. Just
not to Novices! On 80 it was allowed from 3500 to 3800 kHz, on 40 from 7000 to
7200, etc. (remember that the voice/image subbands were different then). So a
Novice could have had to deal with RTTY QRM.

Of course in those days there weren't many hams (percentagewise) with RTTY, and
they tended to operate away from the Novice segments anyway. But it was legal
then for Generals, Advanceds, Extras and Conditionals to run FSK in the Novice
subbands. And it's been legal ever since (including 1976) - just not for
Novices, and, later, Techs-with-HF and Tech Pluses.

The reason you didn't hear amateur RTTY in the 1962 Novice bands was
gentleman's agreements and good operating practice.

The only 'digital' modes
would have been cw and rtty. I do wish I had the old handbook from
1960 however.


I've got a '54, '57, '64, and many more.

Lost that once I went into the service in January of
1967. Gawd, I wanna cry when I think of the *tons* of QSTs and 73s
that I got rid of at that time .....


I may have some of them!

All QSTs are available on CD. But for post WW2 issues it may be cheaper to buy
the actual mags used. I've got a few from that era if you're interested..

Some time back I saw a website where every issue of 73 was planned to be
available. I think they'd show you a few pages, then you'd need a membership
for a nominal fee to download the rest.

73 de Jim, N2EY



Jim Hampton August 24th 04 09:35 PM

PAMNO (N2EY) wrote in message ...
In article ,
(Jim Hampton) writes:

Nothing said about
CW only *now*, the question is "never was". In that case, there
certainly was CW only sub-bands (at least I'm pretty sure). The
novice portions of the bands when I was a novice in 1962 were portions
of 80, 40, and 15 meters (there was 2 meter phone available back then
for novices). Novices were crystal contol only and all amateurs were
limited to 75 watts *input* in the novice bands (but higher class
licensees could use VFOs). I don't recall at all where rtty was
permitted, but not in the novice bands.


Sorry, Jim, that's not the case.

When you were a Novice in 1962, RTTY was permitted in the Novice bands. Just
not to Novices! On 80 it was allowed from 3500 to 3800 kHz, on 40 from 7000 to
7200, etc. (remember that the voice/image subbands were different then). So a
Novice could have had to deal with RTTY QRM.

Of course in those days there weren't many hams (percentagewise) with RTTY, and
they tended to operate away from the Novice segments anyway. But it was legal
then for Generals, Advanceds, Extras and Conditionals to run FSK in the Novice
subbands. And it's been legal ever since (including 1976) - just not for
Novices, and, later, Techs-with-HF and Tech Pluses.

The reason you didn't hear amateur RTTY in the 1962 Novice bands was
gentleman's agreements and good operating practice.

The only 'digital' modes
would have been cw and rtty. I do wish I had the old handbook from
1960 however.


I've got a '54, '57, '64, and many more.

Lost that once I went into the service in January of
1967. Gawd, I wanna cry when I think of the *tons* of QSTs and 73s
that I got rid of at that time .....


I may have some of them!

All QSTs are available on CD. But for post WW2 issues it may be cheaper to buy
the actual mags used. I've got a few from that era if you're interested..

Some time back I saw a website where every issue of 73 was planned to be
available. I think they'd show you a few pages, then you'd need a membership
for a nominal fee to download the rest.

73 de Jim, N2EY


Hello, Jim

Well, I truly was *not* sure. Thanks for the information, however.
Amazing how long these threads get over something which is not
particularly earthshaking these days ;)

I do remember a time in the late 70s when 73 magazine was *huge*.
That magazine had to be 3/8 of an inch thick back then. I've seen
some nice articles in some of those (but they, too, are a long time
gone).

I keep thinking about getting back on HF. I'll likely go web surfing
for construction ideas on some loop antennas (I'd still like to get
back on 160 and that would be the only way I could possibly do it).
Meanwhile, it's the old dipole in the attic currently (on 10) plus 440
:( It is, of course, at right angles to the cables to the satellite
tv dish :)


Best regards from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA

William August 25th 04 12:31 AM

(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
In article ,
(William) writes:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...

Dee, the FCC dates back to 1934 and ARRL dates back to 1914.

FCC os 70 this year and ARRL is 90.

Many, many rules have CHANGED in that time.

FCC doesn't use OLD rules for new regulations.

Were there "CW-only subbands" in 1976?

My old 1976 ARRL Handbook says there were.



Jimmy Who's got all the old books. Constantly quoting out of them.

But now he is silent! Silent!! SILENT!!!

Hi, hi!

So easy to be Two-Faced when you're PCTA.

Like Quitefine/Jimmy Who. Like ONE Pea in a Pod.


He don't pea no more.

Maybe he have pod infection?

Tsk.



No pea? How sad. Yellow Eyed Jimmy Who.

Maybe someday he meet Princess Who has pea.

She reject him say he have Yellow Eye like Long Fanged Wolf that Bark at Fool Moon.

William August 25th 04 12:34 AM

(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
In article ,
(William) writes:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...

Dee, the FCC dates back to 1934 and ARRL dates back to 1914.

FCC os 70 this year and ARRL is 90.

Many, many rules have CHANGED in that time.

FCC doesn't use OLD rules for new regulations.

Were there "CW-only subbands" in 1976?

My old 1976 ARRL Handbook says there were.



Jimmy Who's got all the old books. Constantly quoting out of them.

But now he is silent! Silent!! SILENT!!!

Hi, hi!

So easy to be Two-Faced when you're PCTA.

Like Quitefine/Jimmy Who. Like ONE Pea in a Pod.


He don't pea no more.

Maybe he have pod infection?

Tsk.



So sade he have no pea. Yellow Eye Jimmy Who.

Maybe he find Princess Who have pea.

She reject Yellow Eye Jimmy Who like Crazy Long Fang Wolf dat bark at Fool Moon

N2EY August 25th 04 02:47 AM

In article ,
(Jim Hampton) writes:


Hello, Jim


Greetings from a former denizen of Palmyra and Newark...

Well, I truly was *not* sure. Thanks for the information, however.


You're welcome!

Amazing how long these threads get over something which is not
particularly earthshaking these days ;)


Sure.

But for me the important question is: Should there be CW-only subbands? I say
yes - about the lowest 15-20% of each HF/MF hamband. Including 160.

Why not? Would it really bother anyone if 3500-3575 and 7000-7050 were CW only?

I do remember a time in the late 70s when 73 magazine was *huge*.
That magazine had to be 3/8 of an inch thick back then. I've seen
some nice articles in some of those (but they, too, are a long time
gone).


Yep. I never subscribed but I sure read 'em.

I went looking for that website where the guy was scanning old 73s but couldn't
find it. Maybe there were copyright issues or something.

I keep thinking about getting back on HF.


DO IT.

I'll likely go web surfing
for construction ideas on some loop antennas (I'd still like to get
back on 160 and that would be the only way I could possibly do it).


Do you mean horizontal loop (as in a wavelength long) or a small vertical loop?

Meanwhile, it's the old dipole in the attic currently (on 10) plus 440
:( It is, of course, at right angles to the cables to the satellite
tv dish :)


(sigh)

In Palmyra I had a lovely inverted L. Out the basement window and up the side
of the house to a bracket, then out to a convenient tree in the yard. Just
about 140 feet, worked really well 80-20. Overlooked the old Erie Canal (not
the modern barge canal).

As the sunspots fade the bands below 20 will just get better and better. Enjoy
them while we can.

You ever get to Rick's or to Dinosaur BBQ?

73 de Jim, N2EY

Brian August 25th 04 09:10 PM

PAMNO (N2EY) wrote in message ...

But for me the important question is: Should there be CW-only subbands? I say
yes - about the lowest 15-20% of each HF/MF hamband. Including 160.

Why not? Would it really bother anyone if 3500-3575 and 7000-7050 were CW only?


Only if it were to include all other "digital" (hi,hi) modes...

As it is, CW is allowed in ALL MF/HF -amateur- spectrum.

Brian August 25th 04 09:15 PM

(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
In article ,
(William) writes:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...


SOMEONE DIAL 9-1-1 IN PICKERINGTON OHIO AND FIND OUT WHO KIDNAPPED

BRIAN
BURKE! ! ! ! ! ! !


Len, that would be just like crazy Steve to try to get someone else to
make a false distress call. Maybe that's how they train them in the
CAP?


Gunnery nurse Yellyell wants to "make calls." He threatened!

Obey him or get committed! He has the Power!

Must be the corps trains them that way.

Ptui.

LHA / WMD


Since we know he not brave enough to do hisself, he want other to do
what he chiken to do. He like Lex Luther on Superman cartoon,
"Greatest Criminal Mastermind!" Hi, hi!


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