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August 23rd 04, 04:57 AM
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(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
In article , (William) writes: (Jim Hampton) wrote in message .com... (William) wrote in message . com... "Dee D. Flint" wrote in message ... "William" wrote in message om... PAMNO (N2EY) wrote in message ... In article , (Brian Kelly) writes: "KØHB" wrote in message thlink.net... "N2EY" wrote - No CW-only subbands There never have been any "CW-only" subbands on HF. That's true - but there should be! Odd, when I was first licensed I could only use CW on 80, 40, 15, and 10M. Wonder what kind of subbands those were? General class and higher licensees can also use the FSK data modes here. Thus they are not "CW only." Dee D. Flint, N8UZE Now tell me about the Novices. I don't believe the question was about license class; it was about the HF amateur spectrum. In that case, there is no exclusive CW anywhere on HF. On VHF, of course, there is. 73 from Rochester, NY Jim - AA2QA Jim, for a whole class of licensees, there absolutely were CW Only subbands. And if my memory serves, higher class licensees had to abide by the mode and power restrictions. Where's Miccolis with his ham history cliff notes? I could post exerpts of ARRL-reprinted FCC rules from their 1976 Handbook...showing that there were (!) "CW-only subbands on HF." Problem is, Rev. Jim would immediately misdirect, point out flaws in my character and repeatedly chant "Incorrect! Incorrect!" Nope, I wouldn't do that. I re-read the thread. Nothing said about CW only *now*, the question is "never was". In that case, there certainly was CW only sub-bands (at least I'm pretty sure). The novice portions of the bands when I was a novice in 1962 were portions of 80, 40, and 15 meters (there was 2 meter phone available back then for novices). Novices were crystal contol only and all amateurs were limited to 75 watts *input* in the novice bands (but higher class licensees could use VFOs). I don't recall at all where rtty was permitted, but not in the novice bands. The only 'digital' modes would have been cw and rtty. I do wish I had the old handbook from 1960 however. Lost that once I went into the service in January of 1967. Gawd, I wanna cry when I think of the *tons* of QSTs and 73s that I got rid of at that time ..... 73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA |
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#3
August 23rd 04, 06:17 AM
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(Jim Hampton) writes: (Len Over 21) wrote in message ... In article , (William) writes: I could post exerpts of ARRL-reprinted FCC rules from their 1976 Handbook...showing that there were (!) "CW-only subbands on HF." Problem is, Rev. Jim would immediately misdirect, point out flaws in my character and repeatedly chant "Incorrect! Incorrect!" Nope, I wouldn't do that. I re-read the thread. Nothing said about CW only *now*, the question is "never was". In that case, there certainly was CW only sub-bands (at least I'm pretty sure). The novice portions of the bands when I was a novice in 1962 were portions of 80, 40, and 15 meters (there was 2 meter phone available back then for novices). Novices were crystal contol only and all amateurs were limited to 75 watts *input* in the novice bands (but higher class licensees could use VFOs). I don't recall at all where rtty was permitted, but not in the novice bands. The only 'digital' modes would have been cw and rtty. I do wish I had the old handbook from 1960 however. Lost that once I went into the service in January of 1967. Gawd, I wanna cry when I think of the *tons* of QSTs and 73s that I got rid of at that time ..... Back in '76 the ITU and FCC were still using "A1, A2, F1, F2..." designations for emissions. [was 28 years ago] Bringing back the old, obsolete technical terms isn't too hard (but why innaheck do that) and a simple one-page scan of one page of band designations with modulations would prove it all. But, lotsa folk in here wanna argue the Whichness of the What in a flame fest of minutae. Nonsense activity. No huhu on getting old copies of QST. ARRL sells them on CD. ARRL also resells CQ's 3-CD set of all 22 years of articles of Ham Radio magazine. Lots more solid radio information in HR than them old QST hi-jinky reportings of past contests and glories in (hah!) "radiosport." :-) "Radiosport!" Like NBC would broadcast ANY of that! :-) Beep, beep... |
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August 23rd 04, 09:51 PM
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(William) writes: (Len Over 21) wrote in message ... "Radiosport!" Like NBC would broadcast ANY of that! :-) Beep, beep... Missed it at the Olympics. Maybe itsa "winter" sport. I think it must be a Twilight Zone sport...something engaged in by invididual minds, a fantasy of sight and sound. Read the signpost up ahead, look for a guy that resembles a lightweight Scicilian boxer doing a voice-over... fade to dark, take station ID, roll promo clips |
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August 24th 04, 02:33 AM
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#7
August 24th 04, 09:35 PM
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PAMNO (N2EY) wrote in message ...
In article , (Jim Hampton) writes: Nothing said about CW only *now*, the question is "never was". In that case, there certainly was CW only sub-bands (at least I'm pretty sure). The novice portions of the bands when I was a novice in 1962 were portions of 80, 40, and 15 meters (there was 2 meter phone available back then for novices). Novices were crystal contol only and all amateurs were limited to 75 watts *input* in the novice bands (but higher class licensees could use VFOs). I don't recall at all where rtty was permitted, but not in the novice bands. Sorry, Jim, that's not the case. When you were a Novice in 1962, RTTY was permitted in the Novice bands. Just not to Novices! On 80 it was allowed from 3500 to 3800 kHz, on 40 from 7000 to 7200, etc. (remember that the voice/image subbands were different then). So a Novice could have had to deal with RTTY QRM. Of course in those days there weren't many hams (percentagewise) with RTTY, and they tended to operate away from the Novice segments anyway. But it was legal then for Generals, Advanceds, Extras and Conditionals to run FSK in the Novice subbands. And it's been legal ever since (including 1976) - just not for Novices, and, later, Techs-with-HF and Tech Pluses. The reason you didn't hear amateur RTTY in the 1962 Novice bands was gentleman's agreements and good operating practice. The only 'digital' modes would have been cw and rtty. I do wish I had the old handbook from 1960 however. I've got a '54, '57, '64, and many more. Lost that once I went into the service in January of 1967. Gawd, I wanna cry when I think of the *tons* of QSTs and 73s that I got rid of at that time ..... I may have some of them! All QSTs are available on CD. But for post WW2 issues it may be cheaper to buy the actual mags used. I've got a few from that era if you're interested.. Some time back I saw a website where every issue of 73 was planned to be available. I think they'd show you a few pages, then you'd need a membership for a nominal fee to download the rest. 73 de Jim, N2EY Hello, Jim Well, I truly was *not* sure. Thanks for the information, however. Amazing how long these threads get over something which is not particularly earthshaking these days  I do remember a time in the late 70s when 73 magazine was *huge*. That magazine had to be 3/8 of an inch thick back then. I've seen some nice articles in some of those (but they, too, are a long time gone). I keep thinking about getting back on HF. I'll likely go web surfing for construction ideas on some loop antennas (I'd still like to get back on 160 and that would be the only way I could possibly do it). Meanwhile, it's the old dipole in the attic currently (on 10) plus 440  It is, of course, at right angles to the cables to the satellitetv dish  Best regards from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA |
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August 25th 04, 02:47 AM
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August 25th 04, 09:10 PM
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#10
August 26th 04, 09:49 AM
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Subject: ARRL to propose subband-by-bandwidth regulation
From: (Brian) Date: 8/25/2004 3:10 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: (N2EY) wrote in message ... But for me the important question is: Should there be CW-only subbands? I say yes - about the lowest 15-20% of each HF/MF hamband. Including 160. Why not? Would it really bother anyone if 3500-3575 and 7000-7050 were CW only? Only if it were to include all other "digital" (hi,hi) modes... As it is, CW is allowed in ALL MF/HF -amateur- spectrum. As it is, Brian, do you understand WHY it's allowed? 73 Steve, K4YZ |
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