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August 31st 04, 10:12 PM
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(William) writes: (Len Over 21) wrote in message ... In article , (William) writes: (Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ... Subject: ARRL to propose subband-by-bandwidth regulation From: (William) Date: 8/28/2004 7:47 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: (Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ... I dare say I know more about the USAF, past and present, than you ever did while in it, Brain. Whaaa, whaaa, whaaa! Simply impossible!!! You are an OUTSIDER looking in. Nope. Yep. Apparently, physics are different inside the U.S.A.F. Nope. You're getting warmer. Too bad for you. Nope. Yep. Sorry. Yes, you are VERY sorry. Yet I was amember of the U.S.A.F.; an INSIDER! So have I been, Brain. No, you have not. Nursie thinks so. That is sufficient for her version of "truth." Maybe he can get together with Kelly and compare "real Air Force" experience! Hi, hi! Katapult King Kellie was doing intel photo work for the USN, not the USAF...and dining with the Captain, leaving all the "drudge" work to the enlisted folk. Nursie really needs to consult with Rev. Jim since Jimmie read all the "Jane's" books on military things and probably is as "renowned" on that history as he is on all of radio. That's a natural since Jimmie had all this military service experience, worked military comms, even became an expert gury on Space from his years in aerospace! Error! Error! Jimmie did not. No matter, Jimmie will say anyone talking against him is in "error" anyway... :-) Not only as a member of CAP, Don't make me laff you little jelly belly imposter. but as a member of the USMC attached to the USAF at one time. I was attached to the US Army in the ROK. I was not in the Army. I was attached to the US Navy in the Pacific. I was not in the Navy. And you have never been in the US Air Force. But...but...nursie has been a PILOT IN COMMAND!!! [of a two-seater, single engine light general av aircraft...] Oddly enough, for all that claimed PILOT IN COMMAND experience, nursie never was a pilot in command in USMC. Not in 18 years or whatever it was for the military "career." He only does great things outside of his occupation. Hmmmm? Whatever nursie does is "great!" :-) Remember, he became a PILOT IN COMMAND as a civilian! Probably got a set of wings with the laurel wreath around the star above the shield to denote "COMMAND PILOT!" :-) Somehow that (in his imagining) makes him an ichiban Hero in ham radio? Hai, hai! :-) (Before you go off on a tirade about how the CAP is not "part of the USAF", you'd better read CAP's Constitutional Charter and see waht SecAF has to say about it...) Too bad. Tsk. In nursies mind is the equation: CAP.GT.USAF [CAP greater than USAF] Ergo, the CAP is far more important to the National Defense than USAF ever was. In her mind. Apparently he didn't read those 1950's "This is the Air Force" phamplets during CAP training. Hi, hi! The ink on the pamphlets might have faded in a quarter century before he had someone read them to him. Long time to sit around waiting for a PILOT IN COMMAND to get them. :-) Sucks to be you, Brain. Yet, I am not Brain. Must suck to not be able to spell. Oh, you are NOT "A" Brain to be sure. Hi, hi! But I "spell" just fine. I get my point across. Without yelling, even. Nefarious Yell DMC is notorious for yelling. ...and lying. Gunnery nurse consistently makes typos. He make more spells than a coven of witches. Amateur ones. But he does keep the cauldron (the pot) boiling... :-) Maybe he should lance it. Would that make him the "little lance corporal?" :-) Wanna try for another 12 hours of being a man again, or did the other day scare you off? Steve, I've been a man all of my adult life. No, you've been a MALE all of your adult life. Your fixation on my genatalia is noted. Again and again. It's the Macho in the Mighty Macho Morsemen. Too much "test" in the CW "test-osterone." Overdose. I've noticed a drastic reduction in his use of the Yiddish word for penis. Nursie seems adamant on requiring all entering ham radio to get a sperm count and have that passed in order to complete a license application. Nursie is always into matters of SEX. Strange. Jimmy Who must have faxed out a white paper on it. Jimmie "sned" him a copy... The question is, "Can Jimmy Who control Nefarious Yell DMC?" Impossible! Jimmie heartily approves of such behavior as done by nursie. Saves him having to step down from posing as Mother Superior in here under his real callsign. Doesn't stop him from joining in as an anonymousie with haiku-like spacing...that anonymousie approves of gunnery nurse Yell-yell's behavior and gives him high- fives verbally. Hypocritical, but such is life in the newsgroup. The societal obligations of "being a man" require one to be truthful, trustworty and honest. That would make you a woman. Your conduct herein has been far from that. A crazy woman at that. Witch? What? Who? You unwillingness to act like one even furhter distances you from the crowd. You just keep your distance from me. [I wonder how far a "fuhrter" distance is?] He say he spell real fine. ? It's about the distance of a "frank fuhrter." He wasn't "frank" about it... You are a mere shell of a man. Between your seven hostile actions and personal tragedy, you are barely recognizable as human. Uh huh. Right. Good. Recognizing that you have a problem is the first step. That's about as far as it gets... Yep - force field keeping him back. The force of light and goodness. That force didn't come from his family joules... [Erg! such a bad pun... :-) ] Go get yourself fixed. Really irks you to keep getting backed into the corner with your own newsgroup cowpies, doesn't it, Brain? You try to Cow everyone into believing your lies. He try for "bull-y" but is an udder failure. Back up to his definition of being a man. He didn't make one. Leastways, he doesn't act like those words. Maybe if you stopped dropping them, you'd stop stepping in them... Steve, K4YZ I've neither dropped them nor stepped in them. Just more of your lies. Does it ever stop? Seemingly, not. Nursie fantasyland social mores are quite different than in reality. Despite an issue worth discussing ("ARRL to propose subband-by- bandwidth regulation"), everything seems to wind up with nursie insulting everyone she doesn't agree with. Nearly every thread gets like that. No wonder Robert Casey, among others, is irritated. I would like to oblige Robert Casey. Steve should leave this group. I'll second that. Nursie just doesn't present a good image for U.S. amateur radio of today. Amateur radio can be a fun hobby and enjoyed by thousands. But, unlike what the PCTA extras contend, it is not a job, not a profession, not a guild, not a craft, not a union, and certainly not some kind of boot camp or basic training. Amateur radio is a civilian hobby, not a military one. U.S. amateur radio does not require anyone to be employed as a nurse. U.S. amateur radio does not require anyone to have a pilot's license (with or without being a "pilot in command"). U.S. amateur radio operates by the very same physical laws as do all othe radio services. Prior experience in other radio services is helpful in understanding that physical law and theory but no more essential to the hobby than nursing as a profession or having civilian pilot licenses. U.S. amateur radio is regulated by the FCC, an agency chartered to regulate all U.S. civil radio. Absolutely no FCC commissioner or staffer is required to hold any amateur radio license in order to regulate U.S. amateur radio. Morse code proficiency is NO LONGER any indicator of "qualification" to operate on any HF bands. For most radio services it was NEVER a requirement. While that is heretical in terms of worship of the Church of St. Hiram, it is nevertheless true. Having a valid U.S. amateur radio license does NOT automatically make anyone any kind of "expert" on any subject outside of U.S. amateur radio. In fact, it is not a guarantor of expertise within U.S. amateur radio. |
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September 1st 04, 03:21 PM
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(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
In article , (William) writes: I would like to oblige Robert Casey. Steve should leave this group. I'll second that. Nursie just doesn't present a good image for U.S. amateur radio of today. Amateur radio can be a fun hobby and enjoyed by thousands. But, unlike what the PCTA extras contend, it is not a job, not a profession, not a guild, not a craft, not a union, and certainly not some kind of boot camp or basic training. Amateur radio is a civilian hobby, not a military one. U.S. amateur radio does not require anyone to be employed as a nurse. U.S. amateur radio does not require anyone to have a pilot's license (with or without being a "pilot in command"). U.S. amateur radio operates by the very same physical laws as do all othe radio services. Prior experience in other radio services is helpful in understanding that physical law and theory but no more essential to the hobby than nursing as a profession or having civilian pilot licenses. U.S. amateur radio is regulated by the FCC, an agency chartered to regulate all U.S. civil radio. Absolutely no FCC commissioner or staffer is required to hold any amateur radio license in order to regulate U.S. amateur radio. Morse code proficiency is NO LONGER any indicator of "qualification" to operate on any HF bands. For most radio services it was NEVER a requirement. While that is heretical in terms of worship of the Church of St. Hiram, it is nevertheless true. Having a valid U.S. amateur radio license does NOT automatically make anyone any kind of "expert" on any subject outside of U.S. amateur radio. In fact, it is not a guarantor of expertise within U.S. amateur radio. Agree on all points. Steve is a bad ambasador for the world's best hobby. When will Steve be daparting? I would like to get a "farewell and good luck" card and have everyone sign it. bb |
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September 1st 04, 09:09 PM
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(William) writes: (Len Over 21) wrote in message ... In article , (William) writes: I would like to oblige Robert Casey. Steve should leave this group. I'll second that. Nursie just doesn't present a good image for U.S. amateur radio of today. Amateur radio can be a fun hobby and enjoyed by thousands. But, unlike what the PCTA extras contend, it is not a job, not a profession, not a guild, not a craft, not a union, and certainly not some kind of boot camp or basic training. Amateur radio is a civilian hobby, not a military one. U.S. amateur radio does not require anyone to be employed as a nurse. U.S. amateur radio does not require anyone to have a pilot's license (with or without being a "pilot in command"). U.S. amateur radio operates by the very same physical laws as do all othe radio services. Prior experience in other radio services is helpful in understanding that physical law and theory but no more essential to the hobby than nursing as a profession or having civilian pilot licenses. U.S. amateur radio is regulated by the FCC, an agency chartered to regulate all U.S. civil radio. Absolutely no FCC commissioner or staffer is required to hold any amateur radio license in order to regulate U.S. amateur radio. Morse code proficiency is NO LONGER any indicator of "qualification" to operate on any HF bands. For most radio services it was NEVER a requirement. While that is heretical in terms of worship of the Church of St. Hiram, it is nevertheless true. Having a valid U.S. amateur radio license does NOT automatically make anyone any kind of "expert" on any subject outside of U.S. amateur radio. In fact, it is not a guarantor of expertise within U.S. amateur radio. Agree on all points. Steve is a bad ambasador for the world's best hobby. When will Steve be daparting? I would like to get a "farewell and good luck" card and have everyone sign it. For what he's said about my wife...and your wife and family...I'd never sign it. Spit on it, maybe. LHA |
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September 2nd 04, 11:53 AM
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(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
In article , (William) writes: (Len Over 21) wrote in message ... In article , (William) writes: I would like to oblige Robert Casey. Steve should leave this group. I'll second that. Nursie just doesn't present a good image for U.S. amateur radio of today. Amateur radio can be a fun hobby and enjoyed by thousands. But, unlike what the PCTA extras contend, it is not a job, not a profession, not a guild, not a craft, not a union, and certainly not some kind of boot camp or basic training. Amateur radio is a civilian hobby, not a military one. U.S. amateur radio does not require anyone to be employed as a nurse. U.S. amateur radio does not require anyone to have a pilot's license (with or without being a "pilot in command"). U.S. amateur radio operates by the very same physical laws as do all othe radio services. Prior experience in other radio services is helpful in understanding that physical law and theory but no more essential to the hobby than nursing as a profession or having civilian pilot licenses. U.S. amateur radio is regulated by the FCC, an agency chartered to regulate all U.S. civil radio. Absolutely no FCC commissioner or staffer is required to hold any amateur radio license in order to regulate U.S. amateur radio. Morse code proficiency is NO LONGER any indicator of "qualification" to operate on any HF bands. For most radio services it was NEVER a requirement. While that is heretical in terms of worship of the Church of St. Hiram, it is nevertheless true. Having a valid U.S. amateur radio license does NOT automatically make anyone any kind of "expert" on any subject outside of U.S. amateur radio. In fact, it is not a guarantor of expertise within U.S. amateur radio. Agree on all points. Steve is a bad ambasador for the world's best hobby. When will Steve be daparting? I would like to get a "farewell and good luck" card and have everyone sign it. For what he's said about my wife...and your wife and family...I'd never sign it. Spit on it, maybe. LHA You've got a good point. He deserves no fond farewells. But I'd buy the card, sign it, put postage on it, and maybe even include a box of fine chocolates just to get rid of that crazy *******. But would he stay away? |
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September 2nd 04, 07:29 PM
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(William) writes: You've got a good point. He deserves no fond farewells. But I'd buy the card, sign it, put postage on it, and maybe even include a box of fine chocolates just to get rid of that crazy *******. But would he stay away? The great unknown. This newsgroup essentially ceased to become any sort of discussion forum quite some while ago. Certain individuals asserted (and inserted) themselves as "leaders" and "knew what was good for everything" (defining that whatever They did was "good" and what They didn't like was "bad"). This newsgroup was created some years back to catch the "discussions" on the Morse Code Test Issue, transferring it from rec.radio.amateur.miscellaneous. Personal denigrations of those against retaining the code test were numerous and rather ripe with invective and insulting inuendo from those that championed the mighty morse modes. That was long ago when the mighty morse ruled the rank, status, privelege "qualifications" of amateurs in that incredible multi-tiered license structure of pre-restructuring circa 1997. No less than six classes of license for a hobby activity...greater than the number of classes for commercial radio operator licenses. Those that had Made It Through all the tests and "qualifications" entrenched themselves behind the "safety" of their mental barricades and mighty accomplishments (greater than anyone could possibly be in non-amateur radio). They claimed "turf" and bragging rights and "ownership" of What All Good Hams Must Do. Those "masters" were aided by the self-promoting prose of the ARRL (which had yet to get as many as a quarter of all U.S. hams in membership). ARRL stressed morse as the epitome of ham-ness as it had ever since Hiram had been elected president- for-life. It was a continuation of the equation ham = morseman, the unstated but constantly implied ultimate goal that "should" be a part of amateur life. In other words, the ARRL continued on the ultra-conservative path of keeping the past as present...and naturally promoting themselves as "leadership" for all "right-thinking hams" who should join ARRL. That's just a natural survival tactic of any fraternal order...to survive they need membership and attraction to the league "product" is to tell others what those others what the league leadership thinks they want newcomers to hear. ARRL went a bit too far. The no-code-test Technician license class never really stopped growing since 1991. That class has become the Majority of all U.S. amateur licensees...regardless of the rationalizations of the pro- coders trying to play numbers games after the Restructuring. Pro-coders just couldn't believe the reality. "No-code" went against their religious concepts, personified by the equation ham=morseman! All "real" hams knew, loved, had tested for "code" so that was a universal, divine thing they seemed to think. An amazing aberration of theirs, clinging to past standards and practices as if to life itself. Meanwhile, the rest of the radio world, every other radio service, either never adopted any morse modes or just quit using morse for communications. The Maritime radio community itself voted in the new GMDSS to replace the old, dramatic, fabled-in-story 500 KHz morse distress frequency. When that was done there was no real need for morsemanship anywhere...except in the religious beliefs of the mighty macho morsemen, themselves angry and distressed that their Nobel-grade accomplishments were not revered. Some became outraged and vented on all "no-coders" in barrages of invective. Pro-coders relieved themselves in public in disregard of all, blessed by Those Of Their Kind. The tombstone of morse code testing was put in place at WRC-03 when most of S25 was revised. Internationally. R.I.P. code testing. Except, like some undead ghoul of the air, the pro-coder zombies continue to haunt, to try to keep alive that equally-dead equation ham=morseman. They vow revenge and retribution for themselves not understanding that their anger is about their own False Beliefs. They continue to take out that anger, relieving themselves by denigrations of all who are "no-code." We are awash in their "relief" to this day. No relief tube in sight. Amateur radio is essentially a hobby, a pleasureable activity involving radio communications arts done for personal enjoyment. Licensing and regulations thereof are a result of the physics of all radio, to keep order in what would (and was) an EM chaos. Licensing regulations, like all laws, were never fixed, immuteable, imposed by a divinity. Regulations must remain open to change just like all laws must remain open for change. Pro-coders are resistant to change. They want to fight to the death for their "principles" (false religious beliefs) of having all desiring to be involved in a radio hobby to be licensed like the pro-coders were licensed. No less. They were "champions" of their day and want to keep their self-perceived crowns. They are mighty...hear them roar! Will that stop any pro-coder from relieving themselves in public? I doubt it. Their code keys will have to be pried from cold, dead fingers. Will that stop any olde-tyme hamme from relieving themselves in public? I doubt that, too. They have proclaimed Themselves as "masters," a kind of royalty that will never, ever abdicate their thrones. They Know What Is Good For All...Believe in what They Believe. They are the Elite. Their blood is blue...cyanotic. Independence of thought is a no-no, unthinkable. There is only One Belief. That of a minority within another minority of hobbyists headquartered in a small New England town. They lead. All other hobbyists must follow. They say so. 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September 2nd 04, 08:16 PM
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Subject: ARRL to propose subband-by-bandwidth regulation
From: (Len Over 21) Date: 9/2/2004 1:29 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: In article , (William) writes: You've got a good point. He deserves no fond farewells. But I'd buy the card, sign it, put postage on it, and maybe even include a box of fine chocolates just to get rid of that crazy *******. But would he stay away? The great unknown. This newsgroup essentially ceased to become any sort of discussion forum quite some while ago. Certain individuals asserted (and inserted) themselves as "leaders" and "knew what was good for everything" (defining that whatever They did was "good" and what They didn't like was "bad"). Perhaps that was due to a determined effort by a certain unlicensed individual to berate, antagonize, humiliate and otherwise manipulate the newsgroup in a further effort to position himself a Lord, King and God or All Radio Knowledge. This newsgroup was created some years back to catch the "discussions" on the Morse Code Test Issue, transferring it from rec.radio.amateur.miscellaneous. And of course any attempt to let IT evolve to anything ELSE is criminal. Oh...wait...LENNIE is the one accusing AMATEURS of not evolving with changes in technology and practice...but it's OK for HIM to insist that RRAP not be used for any other purpsoe save one.... Well..ain't THAT a switch...?!?! (Not really...Lennie's as two-faced as anyone can be...) Personal denigrations of those against retaining the code test were numerous and rather ripe with invective and insulting inuendo from those that championed the mighty morse modes. As were personal denigrations uttered by those who champion the removal of Morse Code testing. That was long ago when the mighty morse ruled the rank, status, privelege "qualifications" of amateurs in that incredible multi-tiered license structure of pre-restructuring circa 1997. Whooooops. There goes Lennie's "I Hate Amateur Radio Rank, Status and Priviledge Because It Diminishes My Commercial Rank, Status and Priviledge" rant. No less than six classes of license for a hobby activity...greater than the number of classes for commercial radio operator licenses. And now there's only three. Three more than YOU have, Lennie. Those that had Made It Through all the tests and "qualifications" entrenched themselves behind the "safety" of their mental barricades and mighty accomplishments (greater than anyone could possibly be in non-amateur radio). They claimed "turf" and bragging rights and "ownership" of What All Good Hams Must Do. Of course YOU would have us all spending 14 years in night school with and a GROL to BE "qualified". Not necessary. Just $10 and an hour ata a VE session. Those "masters" were aided by the self-promoting prose of the ARRL (which had yet to get as many as a quarter of all U.S. hams in membership). ARRL stressed morse as the epitome of ham-ness as it had ever since Hiram had been elected president- for-life. It was a continuation of the equation ham = morseman, the unstated but constantly implied ultimate goal that "should" be a part of amateur life. The only "prose" in Amateur Radio passed away a while back. was great on a keyer, even in his late years. In other words, the ARRL continued on the ultra-conservative path of keeping the past as present...and naturally promoting themselves as "leadership" for all "right-thinking hams" who should join ARRL. FCC records on such things prove otherwise, but of course Lennie tends to ignore things archived in federal documents. That's just a natural survival tactic of any fraternal order...to survive they need membership and attraction to the league "product" is to tell others what those others what the league leadership thinks they want newcomers to hear. ARRL went a bit too far. If this were true, the ARRL could have taken the "sure-bet" path years ago and pandered to the lowest common denominator. Other Amateur Radio organizations and periodicals have tried that and suffered for it. "Ham Radio", "Ham Radio Horizons", "73", et al. League membership is around 170K. Thier next closer competitor is "CQ" magazine, known for it's more "center of the road" positionings, yet they only report a TOTAL printing of about 44K, not even a third of the League's membership (of which we assume a magazine "subscription" for each) The no-code-test Technician license class never really stopped growing since 1991. That class has become the Majority of all U.S. amateur licensees...regardless of the rationalizations of the pro- coders trying to play numbers games after the Restructuring. The "rationalizations" are bilateral, Your Putziness. You are evidence of that. Pro-coders just couldn't believe the reality. "No-code" went against their religious concepts, personified by the equation ham=morseman! All "real" hams knew, loved, had tested for "code" so that was a universal, divine thing they seemed to think. An amazing aberration of theirs, clinging to past standards and practices as if to life itself. Nothing about Amateur Radio has remaind unchanged, Lennie, except for the term "Amateur Radio" or "Ham". The rest has been an almost 90 year history of fluidity. Meanwhile, the rest of the radio world, every other radio service, either never adopted any morse modes or just quit using morse for communications. This forum is about AMATUER RADIO...not the LEMMING Radio service. Factors exist in the AMATEUR RADIO service that lend itself to the continued testing for and implementation of Morse Code. The Maritime radio community itself voted in the new GMDSS to replace the old, dramatic, fabled-in-story 500 KHz morse distress frequency. When that was done there was no real need for morsemanship anywhere...except in the religious beliefs of the mighty macho morsemen, themselves angry and distressed that their Nobel-grade accomplishments were not revered. Some became outraged and vented on all "no-coders" in barrages of invective. Pro-coders relieved themselves in public in disregard of all, blessed by Those Of Their Kind. Of course pointing out that the retention of Morse Code testing was mandated by international treaty, of which the United States was signatory. That law has been changed and the US Government has it's regulatory wheels churning to determine how to accomodate that. Again, yet another fact you refuse to acknowledge. The tombstone of morse code testing was put in place at WRC-03 when most of S25 was revised. Internationally. R.I.P. code testing. When will be see "RIP Lennie Anderson"...?!?! That would do more to promote the appeal of ANY radio participation. Except, like some undead ghoul of the air, the pro-coder zombies continue to haunt, to try to keep alive that equally-dead equation ham=morseman. They vow revenge and retribution for themselves not understanding that their anger is about their own False Beliefs. They continue to take out that anger, relieving themselves by denigrations of all who are "no-code." We are awash in their "relief" to this day. No relief tube in sight. You're the one trying to use the relief tube Lennie...in the same way 1930's fighter pilots used to communicate between the cockpits. Amateur radio is essentially a hobby, a pleasureable activity involving radio communications arts done for personal enjoyment. Wondering where you got that from, Lennie, in as much as you are not a part of it. Licensing and regulations thereof are a result of the physics of all radio, to keep order in what would (and was) an EM chaos. Licensing regulations, like all laws, were never fixed, immuteable, imposed by a divinity. Regulations must remain open to change just like all laws must remain open for change. Pro-coders are resistant to change. They want to fight to the death for their "principles" (false religious beliefs) of having all desiring to be involved in a radio hobby to be licensed like the pro-coders were licensed. No less. They were "champions" of their day and want to keep their self-perceived crowns. They are mighty...hear them roar! You can hear them "roar" on the bottom ends of the more popular HF bands. Will that stop any pro-coder from relieving themselves in public? I doubt it. Their code keys will have to be pried from cold, dead fingers. As will be your keyboard, no doubt. Will that stop any olde-tyme hamme from relieving themselves in public? I doubt that, too. They have proclaimed Themselves as "masters," a kind of royalty that will never, ever abdicate their thrones. They Know What Is Good For All...Believe in what They Believe. They are the Elite. Their blood is blue...cyanotic. I just KNOW you can provide SOME reference to where this proclamation was made. Independence of thought is a no-no, unthinkable. Only on 10048 Lanark, Sun valley, CA...and in most Islamic nations. There is only One Belief. That of a minority within another minority of hobbyists headquartered in a small New England town. They lead. All other hobbyists must follow. They say so. Only They Know What Is Good For All. So be it. Regardless of the "minority within a minority", it will always be a MAJORITY compared to the Leonard H. Anderson's licensed AND experienced in the Amateur Radio Service. And we are still waiting for Lennie to provide the NG some links to the posts where the alleged "proclaimations" have been made. (Hint: They don't exist...except in the flailing, failing mind of a very lonely, very angry old man in Sun Valley, CA.......) Steve, K4YZ |
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September 3rd 04, 05:06 PM
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Len Over 21 wrote:
This newsgroup essentially ceased to become any sort of discussion forum quite some while ago. Certain individuals asserted (and inserted) themselves as "leaders" and "knew what was good for everything" (defining that whatever They did was "good" and what They didn't like was "bad"). One of those individuals, a Leonard H. Anderson of California has no stake whatever in amateur radio. Somehow, this total non-participant has appointed himself "advocate" for change within amateur radio. He purports to know how amateur radio should best be regulated. Whatever he says is "good" and whatever those who disagree with him say is "bad". This newsgroup was created some years back to catch the "discussions" on the Morse Code Test Issue, transferring it from rec.radio.amateur.miscellaneous. You have as much to do with one as the other. Personal denigrations of those against retaining the code test were numerous and rather ripe with invective and insulting inuendo from those that championed the mighty morse modes. It is funny that your own personal denigrations of those for retention of a morse test go unmentioned. What of your invective and insulting inuendo directed at them? That was long ago when the mighty morse ruled the rank, status, privelege "qualifications" of amateurs in that incredible multi-tiered license structure of pre-restructuring circa 1997. What do you know of it? You haven't an amateur radio license of any class. That'd include license classes requiring 20 wpm, 13 wpm, 5 wpm and even no morse exams. No less than six classes of license for a hobby activity...greater than the number of classes for commercial radio operator licenses. How are you involved and why does the number of license classes bother you? Those that had Made It Through all the tests and "qualifications" entrenched themselves behind the "safety" of their mental barricades and mighty accomplishments (greater than anyone could possibly be in non-amateur radio). They claimed "turf" and bragging rights and "ownership" of What All Good Hams Must Do. You aren't a ham. Why get all upset? Those "masters" were aided by the self-promoting prose of the ARRL (which had yet to get as many as a quarter of all U.S. hams in membership). Why worry about the ARRL. You aren't a member. ARRL stressed morse as the epitome of ham-ness as it had ever since Hiram had been elected president- for-life. Your statement cannot be backed up with evidence. The no-code-test Technician license class never really stopped growing since 1991. Why would it? It appears that the Amateur Extra never stopped growing either. That class has become the Majority of all U.S. amateur licensees...regardless of the rationalizations of the pro- coders trying to play numbers games after the Restructuring. It only makes sense. It is the easiest to obtain. Pro-coders just couldn't believe the reality. I believe the reality. A no-code Tech is the path of least resistance. "No-code" went against their religious concepts, personified by the equation ham=morseman! My religion and amateur radio are two very distinct things. All "real" hams knew, loved, had tested for "code" so that was a universal, divine thing they seemed to think. Is that why you have a problem? You aren't a ham. An amazing aberration of theirs, clinging to past standards and practices as if to life itself. Tell you what, Len. I'll cling to standards. You cling to life itself. Meanwhile, the rest of the radio world, every other radio service, either never adopted any morse modes or just quit using morse for communications. The Maritime radio community itself voted in the new GMDSS to replace the old, dramatic, fabled-in-story 500 KHz morse distress frequency. So what? When that was done there was no real need for morsemanship anywhere...except in the religious beliefs of the mighty macho morsemen, themselves angry and distressed that their Nobel-grade accomplishments were not revered. You needn't worry about it. You're fertile imagination has manufactured a world of angry and distressed, code-tested hams. You've even added "Nobel-graded" accomplishments. It just seems that way to you as one on the outside looking in. Some became outraged and vented on all "no-coders" in barrages of invective. While you are a "no-coder", you aren't a radio amateur. Pro-coders relieved themselves in public in disregard of all, blessed by Those Of Their Kind. They did what? The tombstone of morse code testing was put in place at WRC-03 when most of S25 was revised. Internationally. R.I.P. code testing. Well. It would. Appear that. Your facts are as. Dubious as your. Sentence structure. Except, like some undead ghoul of the air, the pro-coder zombies continue to haunt, to try to keep alive that equally-dead equation ham=morseman. Come now, Leonard. That isn't quite as scary as Len Anderson=radio amateur. They vow revenge and retribution for themselves not understanding that their anger is about their own False Beliefs. Is that what drives your anger, Len? Your own False Beliefs? They continue to take out that anger, relieving themselves by denigrations of all who are "no-code." Is that why you believe you are the object of denigration by others? We are awash in their "relief" to this day. No relief tube in sight. "We"? How are you involved? Amateur radio is essentially a hobby, a pleasureable activity involving radio communications arts done for personal enjoyment. ....or so you've been told. Licensing and regulations thereof are a result of the physics of all radio, to keep order in what would (and was) an EM chaos. The physics of radio are certainly a part of the regulations. They, by themselves, are not the sum total of material making up amateur radio regulations. Licensing regulations, like all laws, were never fixed, immuteable, imposed by a divinity. Regulations must remain open to change just like all laws must remain open for change. The regs have changed for as long as I've been a ham. Pro-coders are resistant to change. ....and you are for change for the sake of change. You have no stake in amateur radio. They want to fight to the death for their "principles" (false religious beliefs) of having all desiring to be involved in a radio hobby to be licensed like the pro-coders were licensed. No less. They were "champions" of their day and want to keep their self-perceived crowns. They are mighty...hear them roar! Do you want to fight to the death championing your ideas of amateur radio regulation? Be my guest. Follow the false religious beliefs of a non-participant. I hear you roar. I don't perceive you as mighty. Dave K8MN |
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(Len Over 21) wrote in message ... In article , (William) writes: I would like to oblige Robert Casey. Steve should leave this group. I'll second that. Nursie just doesn't present a good image for U.S. amateur radio of today. Amateur radio can be a fun hobby and enjoyed by thousands. But, unlike what the PCTA extras contend, it is not a job, not a profession, not a guild, not a craft, not a union, and certainly not some kind of boot camp or basic training. Amateur radio is a civilian hobby, not a military one. U.S. amateur radio does not require anyone to be employed as a nurse. U.S. amateur radio does not require anyone to have a pilot's license (with or without being a "pilot in command"). U.S. amateur radio operates by the very same physical laws as do all othe radio services. Prior experience in other radio services is helpful in understanding that physical law and theory but no more essential to the hobby than nursing as a profession or having civilian pilot licenses. U.S. amateur radio is regulated by the FCC, an agency chartered to regulate all U.S. civil radio. Absolutely no FCC commissioner or staffer is required to hold any amateur radio license in order to regulate U.S. amateur radio. Morse code proficiency is NO LONGER any indicator of "qualification" to operate on any HF bands. For most radio services it was NEVER a requirement. While that is heretical in terms of worship of the Church of St. Hiram, it is nevertheless true. Having a valid U.S. amateur radio license does NOT automatically make anyone any kind of "expert" on any subject outside of U.S. amateur radio. In fact, it is not a guarantor of expertise within U.S. amateur radio. Agree on all points. Of course you do, "Bill". You've become a yes man for Leonard, the non-ham. Steve is a bad ambasador for the world's best hobby. I don't think Steve has ever campaigned for, nor has he been appointed an ambassador for amateur radio. When will Steve be daparting? For where? Are you sending him on a trip? I would like to get a "farewell and good luck" card and have everyone sign it. That's awfully sweet of you. It is a wonderful gesture. Dave K8MN |
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In article , Dave Heil
writes: William wrote: (Len Over 21) wrote in message ... In article , (William) writes: I would like to oblige Robert Casey. Steve should leave this group. I'll second that. Nursie just doesn't present a good image for U.S. amateur radio of today. Amateur radio can be a fun hobby and enjoyed by thousands. But, unlike what the PCTA extras contend, it is not a job, not a profession, not a guild, not a craft, not a union, and certainly not some kind of boot camp or basic training. Amateur radio is a civilian hobby, not a military one. U.S. amateur radio does not require anyone to be employed as a nurse. U.S. amateur radio does not require anyone to have a pilot's license (with or without being a "pilot in command"). U.S. amateur radio operates by the very same physical laws as do all othe radio services. Prior experience in other radio services is helpful in understanding that physical law and theory but no more essential to the hobby than nursing as a profession or having civilian pilot licenses. U.S. amateur radio is regulated by the FCC, an agency chartered to regulate all U.S. civil radio. Absolutely no FCC commissioner or staffer is required to hold any amateur radio license in order to regulate U.S. amateur radio. Morse code proficiency is NO LONGER any indicator of "qualification" to operate on any HF bands. For most radio services it was NEVER a requirement. While that is heretical in terms of worship of the Church of St. Hiram, it is nevertheless true. Having a valid U.S. amateur radio license does NOT automatically make anyone any kind of "expert" on any subject outside of U.S. amateur radio. In fact, it is not a guarantor of expertise within U.S. amateur radio. Agree on all points. Of course you do, "Bill". You've become a yes man for Leonard, the non-ham. Steve is a bad ambasador for the world's best hobby. I don't think Steve has ever campaigned for, nor has he been appointed an ambassador for amateur radio. Count your blessings... When will Steve be daparting? For where? Are you sending him on a trip? I would like to get a "farewell and good luck" card and have everyone sign it. That's awfully sweet of you. It is a wonderful gesture. "No matter what job, educational level, employer, or government/military service that anyone has, if said anyone opposes Heil's views, he/she will be the target of Heil's insults, ridicule, name-calling, factual errors, ethnic slurs, total lack of emoticons and social-interaction graces, acting in an arrogant, elitist manner...for years" :-) |
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